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27 May 10
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They have the players, but the winning mentality? The "been there, done that" attitude counts for a lot
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Lux, have you forgotten that most of that squad won the Euro's 2 years ago, whilst a number of them have also won the champions league. Arguably they've got more players with the winning mentality than anybody else. Should definitely be favourites imo.
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hat you really should be asking is why Spain and Brazil are not shorter.
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looking at spain...the last Friendly spain played away from europe was in canada in 1994, before that you need to go back to brazil 1981....Spain plays almost no football matchers out side of Europe
Spain always had a great players in there team, but to take 5.30 about spain to win a world cup away from europe is just nuts |
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If you're going to back anyone heavily it would have to be Spain and Brazil. I suppose you could argue that Spain have never won the WC before so should be a bit bigger in price but they proved at Euro 2008 that they are a class act and can win a major tournament.
Plenty of good outsiders to bet on too, England, Holland, Argentina, Italy, Germany etc. |
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Avocado
outside bet..you just name the 7 fav  |
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yeah but spain and brazil are faves and the rest are outsiders
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They are too short imo, odds and height.
Pedro Rodriguez Ledesma 66.5 inches Xavi 67 in Andrés Iniesta 67 in David Silva 67 in Juan Manuel Mata 67 in Jesús Navas 67 in I know Maradona was short but Spain are taking it too far. |
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Were they too short in height when they won Euro 2008?
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No, they were all six footers then.
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Spain: Euro 2008 final
Iker Casillas ©…..71.5 in RB Sergio Ramos …..72.0 in CB Carlos Marchena …..72.0 in CB Carles Puyol …..70.0 in LB Joan Capdevila …..71.5 in DM Marcos Senna …..69.5 in RM Andrés Iniesta …..67.0 in CM Xavi …..67.0 in CM Cesc Fàbregas 63' …..69.0 in LM David Silva 66' …..67.0 in CF Fernando Torres 78' …..73.0 in Substitutions: MF Xabi Alonso 63' …..72.0 in MF Santi Cazorla 66' …..66.0 in FW Dani Güiza 78'…..71.0 in Everyone is keen on Spain because they won Euro 2008, everyone forgets the team they beat 1-0. |
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Germany?
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Spain are very much the team with the current form and on paper the football purists choice and they tick alot of boxes as Asparagus has mentioned.
But as a betting proposition you have got to be against them imo. Who did they beat in the Euro championship? Two teams who are both 16/1 for this world cup, one on penalties the other 1-0. I'm not saying they weren't the best team because they clearly were.Its just that everything clicked in a lesser competition.To improve on a world scale where they may have to play at least 3 of the worlds top teams its a very tough ask. A 9/2 fav in a field of 32 of which 7 or 8 could give them a tight game All those games would be close and a big possibility of penalties at least once, not forgetting any bannana skin which can pop up playing against the very capable lesser teams. Throw in what Nairda says about playing in a different continent and the success rate of Euro Champs in the World Cup and then their history in the tournament. No thanks. |
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spain should be at least 10/1 to win the world cup
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Maybe,but they would then be a decent bet and I would start to be on their side if you could get that price.
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Best keeper
Good defence Fantastic midfield Best strikeforce |
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full of sicknotes
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wot price will they go out too when they lose to switzerland ????
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Spain should be 10/1?
Don't watch the World Cup mate and keep your money in your pocket, you don't know what your talking about. Why should they be 10/1? Best team in the tournament by far. If you dont agree, then who is better? They may well not win in it but 5.3 is a very competitive price. Only dangers are Brazil and England. |
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Liam is pretty much spot on. Not sure I can see England winning it although i would never be more happily wrong!
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I don't think we (England) will win it but I think we've got the best manager in Capello and the defence is amongst the strongest in the tournament...... on paper.
In a one off game England could turn Spain over, but we'd have to be about 11/4+ before I put my hard earned cash on it. |
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Liam O'Brien Joined: 12 Oct 06
Replies: 3 30 May 10 11:21 Spain should be 10/1? Don't watch the World Cup mate and keep your money in your pocket, you don't know what your talking about. Why should they be 10/1? Best team in the tournament by far. If you dont agree, then who is better? They may well not win in it but 5.3 is a very competitive price. Only dangers are Brazil and England. 1 They should be 10/1 because. They have never won in 80 years. 2 They are the only team worse than England at penalties. Even we beat them on penalties. 3 Being Europeans Championship winners in no guide to the World Cup. Only 1 out of the last 12 have gone on to win the World Cup. 4 Lost 2-0 to the USA in the confederations Cup. Need I go on. |
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We're not talking about Spain teams of the past mate we're talking about the one now.
The one with Casillas - the best goalkeeper in the world. With Xavi and Iniesta the best midfielders on the planet in the middle of the park. And with Villa and Torres upfront, the best forward line in the tournament. Winning Euro 2008 does not mean that they will win the World Cup. But the fact that this group of players won a major international tournament just 2 years ago is a positive not a negative. The confederations cup? A micky mouse tournament at the end of the season. The season in which Pique, Puyol, Xavi and Iniesta won La Liga, the Spanish Cup and the Champions League. Spain are not certainties but to say they should be 10/1 is nonsense. I am happy for you to pick out a team who is going to win it........ |
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yeah torres is differant class won liverpool all sorts of trophies this season errrrr
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to say a team should be favs and will win it just because they have the best players is nonsense there are many more factors to consider
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ralfdamouth, you are a football cabbage
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Granted other factors come into, that is why I said they are not certainties. But the 5.3 is a competitve price and to say Spain should be 10/1 as other people suggested is nonsense.
You can't get away from rhe fact that Spain have the best players in the tournament by far, ane whether you like it or not good players win football matches. Torres is one of the best strikers in the world. David Villa is even more prolific at International level. Who's gonna win it then mate....... Enlighten me. |
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The world cup winner will be from South America.
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Liam O'Brian I will be backing Brazil and laying Spain and England. Winning the European championship is neither a positive or a negative it's just not relevant.This is based on past statistics. The World Cup is a completely different tournament. No European team has won the World Cup outside of Europe . This has to be factored in to the price.This is the best team Spain have ever had. that's why I give them a 10/1 chance. An average Spanish team I would give a 30/1 chance. You think they weren't trying against the USA. You think they wanted to be humiliated against the USA? Pull the other one it's got bells on it.Until you understand why they lost against the USA you won't understand why they are a bad price. Let me give you a clue. They don't play as well outside Europe.Climatic conditions and altitude should not be underestimated or psychology.Teams like Brazil believe deep down they can win the World Cup. They have done it 5 times. Spain know they haven't.This is why England fail so often. Alot of it comes down to self belief.
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Cristo I am fully aware of the statistics dear boy. Which is why I do not think Spain are certainties.
Brazil are a big danger based on their previous performances in the World Cup. Aswell as the fact European teams win it in Europe, whilst South American teams win it outside of Europe. So you need to get a balance between the stats and the class. I have had a decent sized punt on Spain - money back if England win. And a saver bet on Brazil - money back if Spain win. Brazil have the history, but they've also got Gilberto Silva in the middle of the park. Wouldn't fancy their midfield against Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Alonso. Brazil must be concerned about Kaka's loss of form aswell. I'm well up if Spain win. A bit up if Brazil win. Out of Jail free if England do. It's bangos ya mangos if someone else does. Surely you can't be looking to lay Spain and England now? Both they're groups are extremely weak, they'll stroll the group stages and their prices will come in. |
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In Englands case the mental well being of Terry, Cole an Gerrard are highly questionable. These players are yer lynchpins. For this reason alone Iam avoiding backing England
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Sunset after reading your opinions on stats, I have done some studying of my own and have found out that none of the participants of this year's world cup have ever won in Africa, so now I really don't know who to do!
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(none have won the world cup in Africa)
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10/1
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Just a side point but has anyone noticed that Spain will prob get Portugal or Brazil in 2nd round.....that's a bitch of a draw
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given that winter in sa is essentially like european conditions, surely that defeats your argument on spain not being suited by the climate, cristo?
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how do u go about making a tissue for the world cup cristo, do u make uruguay shorter than spain cus they've won the world cup but spain havent[smiley:crazy]
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After initially going with Brasil, I'm backing England and Spain. I've already backed England based on Capello seemingly knowing how to win and I'm banking on Rooney, Lampard Gerrard and lennon delivering. The thing that worries me after watching the Japan game is the defence. Both Terry and Rio looked chite. Not backing Spain at 4/1 or more is a no brainer. Forget about them not having won the WC, they hadn't won anything since 1964 and now they've won the European C'ship they have easily enough belief as Brasil (how may of their players, if any, played in 2002 when they last won a trophy. Think Xavi could be the most influential player in the WC, amongst outragously other talented midfielders. Then they have best goalie plus villa and torres who KNOW when they get chances they will take them.
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It's between Spain & England imo...
I'm a massive Brazil fan, but this current crop of players are extremely average. Take their striker for example.... In 94 they had Romario & Bebeto, in 98 Ronaldo & Rivaldo, 2002 Ronaldo, Ronaldinho & Rivaldo & 2006 & 2010 they have no one in that class.... Should have taken Pato... |
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mythical prince
South Africa winter is not like a european conditions :) |