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According to Sunset Cristo, Spain should be 14/1 for the World Cup...
Sunset Cristo 30 Mar 16:38
Big bucks there is a big difference with France. They had home advantage. Time and again this has proved to be decisive. You only have to look at the past results.There our only 5 teams that have ever won this with out home advantage.And 1 of them hasn't qualified.Spain could win , but I make them a 14/1 chance.Imo there is a 90% chance that the winner will come from these 4 teams. Brazil,Italy, Germany or Argentina will win.
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Sunset Cristo 30 Mar 16:38
Big bucks there is a big difference with France. They had home advantage. Time and again this has proved to be decisive. You only have to look at the past results.There our only 5 teams that have ever won this with out home advantage.And 1 of them hasn't qualified.Spain could win , but I make them a 14/1 chance.Imo there is a 90% chance that the winner will come from these 4 teams. Brazil,Italy, Germany or Argentina will win.
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id take england/netherlands/spain/france over these 4.
90% chance- i love betfair
90% chance- i love betfair
Likely to meet Italy in quaters, if they get past them then that 14/1 could come down considerably, They defo have the toughest run from quaters on.
Predict the out come here
http://www.worldcupchart.com/
I have Brazil v Spain final with spain taking it,
Predict the out come here
http://www.worldcupchart.com/
I have Brazil v Spain final with spain taking it,
what a sad man big bucks john is. and why would sunset want to lay 14/1 when he thinks that's the price? do any of you understand betting?
davidomagnifico 06 Apr 11:22
what a sad man big bucks john is. and why would sunset want to lay 14/1 when he thinks that's the price? do any of you understand betting?
Apparently not. As I said earlier I will be laying at the lowest possible price i can get matched at.
what a sad man big bucks john is. and why would sunset want to lay 14/1 when he thinks that's the price? do any of you understand betting?
Apparently not. As I said earlier I will be laying at the lowest possible price i can get matched at.
I'm a sad man for letting people know about some good value on offer? What a mug!
Big Bucks John 06 Apr 21:48
I'm a sad man for letting people know about some good value on offer? What a mug!
They are not value.You haven't proven they are value. And you are ignoring a lot of the negatives.
I'm a sad man for letting people know about some good value on offer? What a mug!
They are not value.You haven't proven they are value. And you are ignoring a lot of the negatives.
spains record in the world cup is as follows.
in the last 80 years 1st = nil
2nd = nil
3rd = nil
4th = 1
maybe sunsets odds are not that far out.
in the last 80 years 1st = nil
2nd = nil
3rd = nil
4th = 1
maybe sunsets odds are not that far out.
the lay preacher 09 Apr 07:18
spains record in the world cup is as follows.
in the last 80 years 1st = nil
2nd = nil
3rd = nil
4th = 1
maybe sunsets odds are not that far out
Seems we at least agree on one thing then.
spains record in the world cup is as follows.
in the last 80 years 1st = nil
2nd = nil
3rd = nil
4th = 1
maybe sunsets odds are not that far out
Seems we at least agree on one thing then.
Why has Spain not winning the world cup before got anything to do with their chances this year please?
There is no significance whatsoever, maybe if the world cup was played once a week I would understand but it is not it is every 4 years and the current Spanish national team is the best they have ever had.
Big Bucks John 09 Apr 15:37
Why has Spain not winning the world cup before got anything to do with their chances this year please
Do past results mean anything to you?Past results should be used as a guide to the future.The future is not usually identical to the past , but it's the best guide we have.As for their being different players this time . You could say that about the last 80 years. Different players same results. Played 18 won nil. Never back a team to do something it has never done.
Why has Spain not winning the world cup before got anything to do with their chances this year please
Do past results mean anything to you?Past results should be used as a guide to the future.The future is not usually identical to the past , but it's the best guide we have.As for their being different players this time . You could say that about the last 80 years. Different players same results. Played 18 won nil. Never back a team to do something it has never done.
Big Bucks John 09 Apr 15:39
There is no significance whatsoever, maybe if the world cup was played once a week I would understand but it is not it is every 4 years and the current Spanish national team is the best they have ever had
Probably true, but as I keep saying you could say the same about Holland in 74 and they didn't win.Spain will probably have a good run. Might get to the final, but win I don't think so.teams that start of slowly usually do well and the winner often goes unnoticed in the early stages.Teams have to pace themselves and not hit form to early like Argentina did in the last World Cup.
There is no significance whatsoever, maybe if the world cup was played once a week I would understand but it is not it is every 4 years and the current Spanish national team is the best they have ever had
Probably true, but as I keep saying you could say the same about Holland in 74 and they didn't win.Spain will probably have a good run. Might get to the final, but win I don't think so.teams that start of slowly usually do well and the winner often goes unnoticed in the early stages.Teams have to pace themselves and not hit form to early like Argentina did in the last World Cup.
Sunset Cristo 10 Apr 00:26
Big Bucks John 09 Apr 15:37
Why has Spain not winning the world cup before got anything to do with their chances this year please
Do past results mean anything to you?Past results should be used as a guide to the future.The future is not usually identical to the past , but it's the best guide we have.As for their being different players this time . You could say that about the last 80 years. Different players same results. Played 18 won nil. Never back a team to do something it has never done.
Tony McCoy has never won the National before. Must mean he's never going to.....oh, hang on......
Big Bucks John 09 Apr 15:37
Why has Spain not winning the world cup before got anything to do with their chances this year please
Do past results mean anything to you?Past results should be used as a guide to the future.The future is not usually identical to the past , but it's the best guide we have.As for their being different players this time . You could say that about the last 80 years. Different players same results. Played 18 won nil. Never back a team to do something it has never done.
Tony McCoy has never won the National before. Must mean he's never going to.....oh, hang on......
Dark Side of the Smog 11 Apr 13:15
Sunset Cristo 10 Apr 00:26
Big Bucks John 09 Apr 15:37
Why has Spain not winning the world cup before got anything to do with their chances this year please
Do past results mean anything to you?Past results should be used as a guide to the future.The future is not usually identical to the past , but it's the best guide we have.As for their being different players this time . You could say that about the last 80 years. Different players same results. Played 18 won nil. Never back a team to do something it has never done.
Tony McCoy has never won the National before. Must mean he's never going to.....oh, hang on......
No you are misrepresenting what I have said. It you had bothered to read what I have said on this and other threads you would have realized I have never said Spain can't win the World Cup. What I have been saying is that it has to be factored into the price. Big difference.Learn to read.
Sunset Cristo 10 Apr 00:26
Big Bucks John 09 Apr 15:37
Why has Spain not winning the world cup before got anything to do with their chances this year please
Do past results mean anything to you?Past results should be used as a guide to the future.The future is not usually identical to the past , but it's the best guide we have.As for their being different players this time . You could say that about the last 80 years. Different players same results. Played 18 won nil. Never back a team to do something it has never done.
Tony McCoy has never won the National before. Must mean he's never going to.....oh, hang on......
No you are misrepresenting what I have said. It you had bothered to read what I have said on this and other threads you would have realized I have never said Spain can't win the World Cup. What I have been saying is that it has to be factored into the price. Big difference.Learn to read.
I can read very well thank you. And personally I don't think Spain will win it. I think it will be Brazil. But not because of what has or hasn't happened over the last 80 years. Just because I think the Brazil side would beat the Spanish one.
Sunset, if you think Spain are going to get to the final then why are you saying they should be 14/1? At the end of the day past results have very little significance when your comparing past teams who are inferior to the current one and it is records from such a long time ago, this current Spanish team like I said has broke 2 records for going the most games unbeaten and winning the most games in a row, surely that is more important to factor that into their price than how they got on 80 years ago?
sunset cristo
so your saying brazil/argentina/italy/germany win this thing 9/10 (90%) times. Is this a joke or are you really slow. You cannot possibly understand value if you believe this to be true- u dumbfound me.
You go by stats of 15 previous world cups- this is just history. It is COINCIDENCE that this tournament has been dominated by certain teams. Though these certain teams had their heydeys and 'glory years', with strong crops of players which gave them their success.
u cant gather strong patterns and correllation from only 15wcs (guarantee if you were looking at 1000 wcs -stats would be different
Things change with time. Brazil as usual look a decent proposition and their squad looks refreshed. Though it has to be said France and germany are past their peak. The Spain squad has strength and depth running all the way thru it/ players at their prime and with added confidence of euro cup under their belt, they remind me of the france squad 10 years ago.--justified favs with brazil
also netherlands/ england on their day will beat anyone
both imperious in their qualifying
so your saying brazil/argentina/italy/germany win this thing 9/10 (90%) times. Is this a joke or are you really slow. You cannot possibly understand value if you believe this to be true- u dumbfound me.
You go by stats of 15 previous world cups- this is just history. It is COINCIDENCE that this tournament has been dominated by certain teams. Though these certain teams had their heydeys and 'glory years', with strong crops of players which gave them their success.
u cant gather strong patterns and correllation from only 15wcs (guarantee if you were looking at 1000 wcs -stats would be different
Things change with time. Brazil as usual look a decent proposition and their squad looks refreshed. Though it has to be said France and germany are past their peak. The Spain squad has strength and depth running all the way thru it/ players at their prime and with added confidence of euro cup under their belt, they remind me of the france squad 10 years ago.--justified favs with brazil
also netherlands/ england on their day will beat anyone
both imperious in their qualifying
If anyone wants to give me 14-1 for Spain I will gratefully and very happily take it, and some!!
Spain won Euro 08, so now know what it takes to win a major trophy. And I beileve Spain will win World Cup 2010. I've backed them at 4-1, and when you consider England are 5-1, that's a very good price.
Spain won Euro 08, so now know what it takes to win a major trophy. And I beileve Spain will win World Cup 2010. I've backed them at 4-1, and when you consider England are 5-1, that's a very good price.
spain have under achieved in almost every tournament they have ever played in this one will be no different.
i wouldnt back them with counterfit.
add to that there best striker torres has virtually no chance of lasting
out the tournament as he is themost injury prone player on the planet.
4/1 yeravinalaff.
i wouldnt back them with counterfit.
add to that there best striker torres has virtually no chance of lasting
out the tournament as he is themost injury prone player on the planet.
4/1 yeravinalaff.
the lay preacher 14 Apr 22:21
spain have under achieved in almost every tournament they have ever played in this one will be no different.
i wouldnt back them with counterfit.
add to that there best striker torres has virtually no chance of lasting
out the tournament as he is themost injury prone player on the planet.
4/1 yeravinalaff.
Spot on.BBJ will of course ignore this.
spain have under achieved in almost every tournament they have ever played in this one will be no different.
i wouldnt back them with counterfit.
add to that there best striker torres has virtually no chance of lasting
out the tournament as he is themost injury prone player on the planet.
4/1 yeravinalaff.
Spot on.BBJ will of course ignore this.
Sorry one man team Spain have no chance LMAO!
You say they haven't done much in big tournaments well the last big tournament they were in they won, what more do you want from this current team?! You 2 are right mugs.
You say they haven't done much in big tournaments well the last big tournament they were in they won, what more do you want from this current team?! You 2 are right mugs.
so your saying brazil/argentina/italy/germany win this thing 9/10 (90%) times. Is this a joke or are you really slow. You cannot possibly understand value if you believe this to be true- u dumbfound me.
If you had bothered to read my posts you would know that I have revised this to 85%.Why are you dumbfounded you have presented no facts, logic or anything else to refute me. All you have done is asserted your baseless opinion.
How do you price up the competition and why?
You go by stats of 15 previous world cups- this is just history.
Just history. What do you base your opinions on then. Do you you have a Crystal ball or a Tardis? In my experience history is the best guise we have to the future coupled with common sense.Fortunately common sense is not very common amongst gamblers as has been demonstrated by bbj and his ilk.
It is COINCIDENCE that this tournament has been dominated by certain teams.
So you say.Prove it? This is just your opinion backed up by nill facts.Typical.
Though these certain teams had their heydeys and 'glory years', with strong crops of players which gave them their success.
Oh so Holland, Spain and England haven't had a strong crop of players. As I keep saying you are obviously ignorant about Holland 74.You will of course ignore this.
u cant gather strong patterns and correllation from only 15wcs (guarantee if you were looking at 1000 wcs -stats would be different
You are forgetting that from those 15 World Cups there were hundreds of teams and only 4 have won when not playing at Home.
Things change with time.
Very little has changed in the last 80 years. Argentina have replaced Uruguay as the other strong South American contender. Thats about it.
Brazil as usual look a decent proposition and their squad looks refreshed. Though it has to be said France and germany are past their peak.
Will you never learn I've heard it all before.In recent years people have continually written the Germans off.In the last two World Cups it was said the Germans are only average. The Germans are past their best. May I remind you they finished runner and and third in the last two World Cups.The usual suspects. Do some research for crying out loud.
France I agree with.
The Spain squad has strength and depth running all the way thru it/ players at their prime and with added confidence of euro cup under their belt, they remind me of the france squad 10 years ago.--justified favs with brazil
Big difference France were had home advantage.Also it was 12 years ago France won the World Cup not 10.it may come as a surprise to you that Spain won the Euro Cup in 1964. Did they win the World Cup in 66 . No. it was England with home advantage . Another coincidence according to you.I'll go with the so called coincidences until they stop happening thank you very much. Worked in the last 2 World Cups. Who did you back? Did you make the last 2 World Cups pay?
also netherlands/ england on their day will beat anyone
This is true, but I think you will find that a team had to perform consistently will over a period of 4 weeks and not just the period of one day or one match. This is what England and Holland have consistently failed to do in previous World Cup under different managers and different players.It's not rocket science.
both imperious in their qualifying
Have you actually done any research that suggests that because a team qualifies well that means in has a good chance in the World? Cup or is this just another baseless assumption?
If you had bothered to read my posts you would know that I have revised this to 85%.Why are you dumbfounded you have presented no facts, logic or anything else to refute me. All you have done is asserted your baseless opinion.
How do you price up the competition and why?
You go by stats of 15 previous world cups- this is just history.
Just history. What do you base your opinions on then. Do you you have a Crystal ball or a Tardis? In my experience history is the best guise we have to the future coupled with common sense.Fortunately common sense is not very common amongst gamblers as has been demonstrated by bbj and his ilk.
It is COINCIDENCE that this tournament has been dominated by certain teams.
So you say.Prove it? This is just your opinion backed up by nill facts.Typical.
Though these certain teams had their heydeys and 'glory years', with strong crops of players which gave them their success.
Oh so Holland, Spain and England haven't had a strong crop of players. As I keep saying you are obviously ignorant about Holland 74.You will of course ignore this.
u cant gather strong patterns and correllation from only 15wcs (guarantee if you were looking at 1000 wcs -stats would be different
You are forgetting that from those 15 World Cups there were hundreds of teams and only 4 have won when not playing at Home.
Things change with time.
Very little has changed in the last 80 years. Argentina have replaced Uruguay as the other strong South American contender. Thats about it.
Brazil as usual look a decent proposition and their squad looks refreshed. Though it has to be said France and germany are past their peak.
Will you never learn I've heard it all before.In recent years people have continually written the Germans off.In the last two World Cups it was said the Germans are only average. The Germans are past their best. May I remind you they finished runner and and third in the last two World Cups.The usual suspects. Do some research for crying out loud.
France I agree with.
The Spain squad has strength and depth running all the way thru it/ players at their prime and with added confidence of euro cup under their belt, they remind me of the france squad 10 years ago.--justified favs with brazil
Big difference France were had home advantage.Also it was 12 years ago France won the World Cup not 10.it may come as a surprise to you that Spain won the Euro Cup in 1964. Did they win the World Cup in 66 . No. it was England with home advantage . Another coincidence according to you.I'll go with the so called coincidences until they stop happening thank you very much. Worked in the last 2 World Cups. Who did you back? Did you make the last 2 World Cups pay?
also netherlands/ england on their day will beat anyone
This is true, but I think you will find that a team had to perform consistently will over a period of 4 weeks and not just the period of one day or one match. This is what England and Holland have consistently failed to do in previous World Cup under different managers and different players.It's not rocket science.
both imperious in their qualifying
Have you actually done any research that suggests that because a team qualifies well that means in has a good chance in the World? Cup or is this just another baseless assumption?
Tottenham 14 Apr 15:38
If anyone wants to give me 14-1 for Spain I will gratefully and very happily take it, and some!!
Spain won Euro 08, so now know what it takes to win a major trophy.
You seem to be completely ignorant of the fact that Spain won the Euro cup in 1964. It's not hard to see why so many can't make their betting pay. They do no research and don't even know the facts. Bob hope and no hope.
And I beileve Spain will win World Cup 2010. I've backed them at 4-1, and when you consider England are 5-1, that's a very good price
Based on what? The won euro 08 so they should be favorite for the World Cup. Do you know how many teams have won the Euro Cup and gone on to win the World Cup? One and that was West Germany one of the usual suspects.
As some has already pointed out I won't need to offer 14/1 on Spain because there are enough sheep who will happily match me at a much lower price. And I have revised now my price to 10/1 Spain now.
If anyone wants to give me 14-1 for Spain I will gratefully and very happily take it, and some!!
Spain won Euro 08, so now know what it takes to win a major trophy.
You seem to be completely ignorant of the fact that Spain won the Euro cup in 1964. It's not hard to see why so many can't make their betting pay. They do no research and don't even know the facts. Bob hope and no hope.
And I beileve Spain will win World Cup 2010. I've backed them at 4-1, and when you consider England are 5-1, that's a very good price
Based on what? The won euro 08 so they should be favorite for the World Cup. Do you know how many teams have won the Euro Cup and gone on to win the World Cup? One and that was West Germany one of the usual suspects.
As some has already pointed out I won't need to offer 14/1 on Spain because there are enough sheep who will happily match me at a much lower price. And I have revised now my price to 10/1 Spain now.
Big Bucks John 15 Apr 01:36
Sorry one man team Spain have no chance LMAO!
You say they haven't done much in big tournaments well the last big tournament they were in they won, what more do you want from this current team?! You 2 are right mugs
You are comparing apples and oranges. The euro cup and the World Cup are totally different competitions. You will of course ignore this fact. I have told you twice now what the record is of euro winners going in to the World Cup. You will of course ignore this fact. You are the mug my friend because you ignore the inconvenient facts. This is a sure way to the knackers Yard.Successful punters are able to correctly evaluate the price of of a team winning with out letting emotion or prejudice get in the way. This is why you have to look at the facts. ALL of the facts not just what has happened over The last 2 years.
Sorry one man team Spain have no chance LMAO!
You say they haven't done much in big tournaments well the last big tournament they were in they won, what more do you want from this current team?! You 2 are right mugs
You are comparing apples and oranges. The euro cup and the World Cup are totally different competitions. You will of course ignore this fact. I have told you twice now what the record is of euro winners going in to the World Cup. You will of course ignore this fact. You are the mug my friend because you ignore the inconvenient facts. This is a sure way to the knackers Yard.Successful punters are able to correctly evaluate the price of of a team winning with out letting emotion or prejudice get in the way. This is why you have to look at the facts. ALL of the facts not just what has happened over The last 2 years.
OK The Euros are a pointless tournament, was some fun entertaining friendly matches I was watching 2 years ago then I guess.
Seeing as you base your predicitions of the winner on 80 years ago then Uruguay must be one of the most likely winners lol.
The difference between me and you is that I watch football and judge how good teams are and go on recent results from the past couple of years, whereas you look at whos won the most world cups etc and presume they are the best team this time around, very flawed outlook imo.
Seeing as you base your predicitions of the winner on 80 years ago then Uruguay must be one of the most likely winners lol.
The difference between me and you is that I watch football and judge how good teams are and go on recent results from the past couple of years, whereas you look at whos won the most world cups etc and presume they are the best team this time around, very flawed outlook imo.
Well all those that don't fancy Spain to win the World Cup please keep laying them and then those of us that do fancy Spain can get a bigger price on them lifting the World Cup.
Then we will see who is in our out of pocket come when the Word Cup ends.
I also bet based on what I've seen, rather than what I'm told.
And from what I've see Spain look worthy fav's and the team to beat in South Africa.
Then we will see who is in our out of pocket come when the Word Cup ends.
I also bet based on what I've seen, rather than what I'm told.
And from what I've see Spain look worthy fav's and the team to beat in South Africa.
there is none so blind as those who will not see.
if people on here seriously dont think the results of the past world cups really mean nothing.. and i have to say some of the fools on here seem to think that
ask yourself why certain countries ALWAYS perform at this stage/tournament. regardless of stars or who is playing.. the germans and italians esp in the last decade.. and dont expect this world cup to be much different and dont expect the germans or argies to be far away
ask yourself why certain countries ALWAYS perform at this stage/tournament. regardless of stars or who is playing.. the germans and italians esp in the last decade.. and dont expect this world cup to be much different and dont expect the germans or argies to be far away
The players havn't got the results of yesteryear ticking in their minds when they play.
sunset cristo--------
your 4 teams have a projected 40% chance (on betfairs prices) - work it out. are you saying that all of the research that helped form these odds are wrong. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT? 3.2 million matched on the outright market has all been in vein?
You are a mug if you think 85% plain and simple it is a mathematical fact!!
your 4 teams have a projected 40% chance (on betfairs prices) - work it out. are you saying that all of the research that helped form these odds are wrong. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT? 3.2 million matched on the outright market has all been in vein?
You are a mug if you think 85% plain and simple it is a mathematical fact!!
and also i think you should leave betting alone because u havn't got a clue if u seriously believe some of the tripe u a writing on here to be true.
Take up studying history because it seems that you are more interested in looking at what happened decades ago when trying to pick the winners, rather than looking at factors that really matter like, squads/form/age/whether players can gel together or not.
Also when i sed the spanish remind me of the frogs 10 years ago, i meant around about 10 years ago.... wasn't particularly talking about the wc 98 12 years ago, but when they actually peaked imo at euro 2000- so chill out ortistic boy!!
Take up studying history because it seems that you are more interested in looking at what happened decades ago when trying to pick the winners, rather than looking at factors that really matter like, squads/form/age/whether players can gel together or not.
Also when i sed the spanish remind me of the frogs 10 years ago, i meant around about 10 years ago.... wasn't particularly talking about the wc 98 12 years ago, but when they actually peaked imo at euro 2000- so chill out ortistic boy!!
reason why teams like spain/england/netherlands underachieve-- nothing to do with underachieving, its the teams, they wern't good enough. Spain have finally got a squad thats completely strong together and they win the euros. Holland have always been below the best defensively and in house fighting causes problems. this may continue to be the case. England okay had a decent squad in 2002 (unlucky in a 50/50 game with brazil) and 2006 (lottery shootout and rooney sending off). But then again poor tactics from sven/lack of left sider and fire power up front also
Nothing to do with a 'stigma-hodoo' type thing surrounding these teams, because of history- this is total bs and an irrational and unprofessional approach to betting.
Nothing to do with a 'stigma-hodoo' type thing surrounding these teams, because of history- this is total bs and an irrational and unprofessional approach to betting.
millions of people are wrong every world cup .
2 classic examples for you .
after france won the world cup at home they were made 4/1 favs
for the next one in japan . the greatest french team ever assembled
couldnt get past the group stage .
2. the 2nd greatest brazil side of all time couldnt even get to the final
in italy after going off 11/4 favs.
3. and the biggest mistake of all time by punters one of the best
scottish teams of all time including including souness dalglish and
hansen went to argentina and got stuffed. for those of you too young to remember . some english comentators were actually tipping scotland to win it.
scotlands price to win it was 9/2.
SO DONT TELL ME MILLIONS DONT MAKE MISTAKES.
2 classic examples for you .
after france won the world cup at home they were made 4/1 favs
for the next one in japan . the greatest french team ever assembled
couldnt get past the group stage .
2. the 2nd greatest brazil side of all time couldnt even get to the final
in italy after going off 11/4 favs.
3. and the biggest mistake of all time by punters one of the best
scottish teams of all time including including souness dalglish and
hansen went to argentina and got stuffed. for those of you too young to remember . some english comentators were actually tipping scotland to win it.
scotlands price to win it was 9/2.
SO DONT TELL ME MILLIONS DONT MAKE MISTAKES.
the lay preacher, if you can't see why Spain are favourites for the World Cup then you should give the game up imo. You seem like one of these stab in the dark punters.
the lay preacher 16 Apr 09:38
millions of people are wrong every world cup .
2 classic examples for you .
after france won the world cup at home they were made 4/1 favs
for the next one in japan . the greatest french team ever assembled
couldnt get past the group stage .
2. the 2nd greatest brazil side of all time couldnt even get to the final
in italy after going off 11/4 favs.
3. and the biggest mistake of all time by punters one of the best
scottish teams of all time including including souness dalglish and
hansen went to argentina and got stuffed. for those of you too young to remember . some english comentators were actually tipping scotland to win it.
scotlands price to win it was 9/2.
Imo there is about as much chance of them proving the Loch ness Monster exists as there is of Scotland ever winning a World Cup in the near future.
SO DONT TELL ME MILLIONS DONT MAKE MISTAKES.
Valid
I think you will find you are wasting your time trying to talk some sense into the likes of BBJ and Tom pepper. It's like they are saying I've made my mind up now don't confuse me with the facts. BBJ and pepper take the blindfold off. If we are wrong then refute the points we have made instead of just continuing with your mantra Spain are the best ever team so they are bound to win the World Cup. We've heard it all before. May be your not old enough to remember previous World Cup but I am and I don't suffer from selective memory like you do.To correctly appraise the odds you must weigh up all the factors not just what Spain have done in the last 2 years. You will of course ignore this again, but that only proves my point. Your mentality seems to be of a 15 year old.
millions of people are wrong every world cup .
2 classic examples for you .
after france won the world cup at home they were made 4/1 favs
for the next one in japan . the greatest french team ever assembled
couldnt get past the group stage .
2. the 2nd greatest brazil side of all time couldnt even get to the final
in italy after going off 11/4 favs.
3. and the biggest mistake of all time by punters one of the best
scottish teams of all time including including souness dalglish and
hansen went to argentina and got stuffed. for those of you too young to remember . some english comentators were actually tipping scotland to win it.
scotlands price to win it was 9/2.
Imo there is about as much chance of them proving the Loch ness Monster exists as there is of Scotland ever winning a World Cup in the near future.
SO DONT TELL ME MILLIONS DONT MAKE MISTAKES.
Valid
I think you will find you are wasting your time trying to talk some sense into the likes of BBJ and Tom pepper. It's like they are saying I've made my mind up now don't confuse me with the facts. BBJ and pepper take the blindfold off. If we are wrong then refute the points we have made instead of just continuing with your mantra Spain are the best ever team so they are bound to win the World Cup. We've heard it all before. May be your not old enough to remember previous World Cup but I am and I don't suffer from selective memory like you do.To correctly appraise the odds you must weigh up all the factors not just what Spain have done in the last 2 years. You will of course ignore this again, but that only proves my point. Your mentality seems to be of a 15 year old.
i think the fact that you revel in the past makes you blinkered and stuck in your ways when it comes to punting. my analysis is fresh and i look at all the squads and recent form.
Actually i am not going to back spain and do not necessarily think that they will win. My fancy is Brazil (but not because they have won it 5 times, because of their current squad). But i am going to watch out for the likes of Netherlands, France and Ghana.
Actually i am not going to back spain and do not necessarily think that they will win. My fancy is Brazil (but not because they have won it 5 times, because of their current squad). But i am going to watch out for the likes of Netherlands, France and Ghana.
brazil/italy/germany/argentina= 85% though- get a grip
Yeh lay and sunset sound like 2 old men who are fed up of the same teams winning and are not analysing the current squads.
You seem to like your stats so here you are:
2007-2009 undefeated run
Spain went undefeated for a world record[19] 35 matches in a row, after a 10 loss to Romania in a friendly match on November 15, 2006. The record is also held by Brazil (not counting defeats after a penalty shoot-out). Spain won 32 out of the 35 matches, while the other 3 ended in draws (one of which was against Italy, a match which Spain ended up winning on penalties). The Spanish side scored 73 goals while conceding only 11, and never allowed more than one goal per match except against Greece, a friendly match on August 22, 2007 which ended 32.
Spain also held the world record for consecutive wins, at 15, following their draw against Italy during the quarter finals in UEFA Euro 2008. This winning streak, together with the undefeated run, was ended by the United States on June 24, 2009, in a 20 defeat in the semifinal stage of the 2009 Confederations Cup.
You seem to like your stats so here you are:
2007-2009 undefeated run
Spain went undefeated for a world record[19] 35 matches in a row, after a 10 loss to Romania in a friendly match on November 15, 2006. The record is also held by Brazil (not counting defeats after a penalty shoot-out). Spain won 32 out of the 35 matches, while the other 3 ended in draws (one of which was against Italy, a match which Spain ended up winning on penalties). The Spanish side scored 73 goals while conceding only 11, and never allowed more than one goal per match except against Greece, a friendly match on August 22, 2007 which ended 32.
Spain also held the world record for consecutive wins, at 15, following their draw against Italy during the quarter finals in UEFA Euro 2008. This winning streak, together with the undefeated run, was ended by the United States on June 24, 2009, in a 20 defeat in the semifinal stage of the 2009 Confederations Cup.
your trying to tell me you look at fresh evidence and your looking at france and ghana? why..on all recent evidence france are also rans... on qualifying evidence from europe alone the three to look for are holland england and spain... laugh about england all you like but the competitive evidence is there for all to see. yet everyone laughs about england on here.. wonder why
i think france and ghana are good value. i'd rather be with france, who have a balanced team (@15.5)than england who have question marks over the winger positions , left wing esp. and who struggle to find a strike partner for rooney @ 7.
not doubting england's quality but i believe they lack goals because of these problems.
not doubting england's quality but i believe they lack goals because of these problems.
Actually with 85% plus the 10/1 on Spain, I'd be interested to see how you price up the other 27.
Past World Cups have always been won by the same group of nations but there's no reason it should stay that way forever imo.
I can't really see how Italys previous world cup win 20 odd years earlier helped them in '06 anymore than Spains lack of previous wins will hinder them in '10.
Past World Cups have always been won by the same group of nations but there's no reason it should stay that way forever imo.
I can't really see how Italys previous world cup win 20 odd years earlier helped them in '06 anymore than Spains lack of previous wins will hinder them in '10.
Pleasegivemeanailedontip 18 Apr 22:37
Actually with 85% plus the 10/1 on Spain, I'd be interested to see how you price up the other 27.
Past World Cups have always been won by the same group of nations but there's no reason it should stay that way forever imo.
I can't really see how Italys previous world cup win 20 odd years earlier helped them in '06 anymore than Spains lack of previous wins will hinder them in '10.
On the button, spot on.
Actually with 85% plus the 10/1 on Spain, I'd be interested to see how you price up the other 27.
Past World Cups have always been won by the same group of nations but there's no reason it should stay that way forever imo.
I can't really see how Italys previous world cup win 20 odd years earlier helped them in '06 anymore than Spains lack of previous wins will hinder them in '10.
On the button, spot on.
btw please were getting 14s not 10s, punters r in heaven. :D
Big Bucks John 19 Apr 03:15
btw please were getting 14s not 10s, punters r in heaven.
You don't listen do you. You are wasting my time. I have already said I have revised it to 10/1 and anyway I don't need to lay it that high so you won't be getting 14/1 or 10/1. Learn to read.
btw please were getting 14s not 10s, punters r in heaven.
You don't listen do you. You are wasting my time. I have already said I have revised it to 10/1 and anyway I don't need to lay it that high so you won't be getting 14/1 or 10/1. Learn to read.
Pleasegivemeanailedontip 18 Apr 22:37
Actually with 85% plus the 10/1 on Spain, I'd be interested to see how you price up the other 27.
Past World Cups have always been won by the same group of nations but there's no reason it should stay that way forever imo.
I can't really see how Italys previous world cup win 20 odd years earlier helped them in '06 anymore than Spains lack of previous wins will hinder them in '10
I would be interested how you price the World Cup up and why?
Actually with 85% plus the 10/1 on Spain, I'd be interested to see how you price up the other 27.
I think you will find that 6% divided by 27 = 0.22% so virtually no chance. Although the liberals were prices at about 300+ /1 till recently so anything can happen.
Actually with 85% plus the 10/1 on Spain, I'd be interested to see how you price up the other 27.
Past World Cups have always been won by the same group of nations but there's no reason it should stay that way forever imo.
I can't really see how Italys previous world cup win 20 odd years earlier helped them in '06 anymore than Spains lack of previous wins will hinder them in '10
I would be interested how you price the World Cup up and why?
Actually with 85% plus the 10/1 on Spain, I'd be interested to see how you price up the other 27.
I think you will find that 6% divided by 27 = 0.22% so virtually no chance. Although the liberals were prices at about 300+ /1 till recently so anything can happen.
tom_peppers_evil_abandoned_son 16 Apr 06:14
The players havn't got the results of yesteryear ticking in their minds when they play.
How do you know what they have got ticking through their minds when they play? Are you psychic? I'm sure some players do think we are playing Brazil. We can't beat them.
The players havn't got the results of yesteryear ticking in their minds when they play.
How do you know what they have got ticking through their minds when they play? Are you psychic? I'm sure some players do think we are playing Brazil. We can't beat them.
om_peppers_evil_abandoned_son 16 Apr 06:23
sunset cristo--------
your 4 teams have a projected 40% chance (on betfairs prices) - work it out. are you saying that all of the research that helped form these odds are wrong. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT? 3.2 million matched on the outright market has all been in vein?
You are a mug if you think 85% plain and simple it is a mathematical fact!!
Oh so you think the market can't be wrong. Learn to think for yourself instead of following the other sheep. You will find that 99% of the sheep don't make it pay long term so follow the facts and your own opinion. Until recently millions of people thought the liberals had no chance in the elections. You will find when you have more experience that markets get it wrong all the time. Markets are formed by mugs like you and bbj who have no idea about facts and how to make their betting pay.
sunset cristo--------
your 4 teams have a projected 40% chance (on betfairs prices) - work it out. are you saying that all of the research that helped form these odds are wrong. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT? 3.2 million matched on the outright market has all been in vein?
You are a mug if you think 85% plain and simple it is a mathematical fact!!
Oh so you think the market can't be wrong. Learn to think for yourself instead of following the other sheep. You will find that 99% of the sheep don't make it pay long term so follow the facts and your own opinion. Until recently millions of people thought the liberals had no chance in the elections. You will find when you have more experience that markets get it wrong all the time. Markets are formed by mugs like you and bbj who have no idea about facts and how to make their betting pay.
Torres injured (could miss start), Villa .not doing much, Messi and Ronaldo on fire..
5.2 is underweight
5.2 is underweight
tom_peppers_evil_abandoned_son 16 Apr 06:33
and also i think you should leave betting alone because u havn't got a clue if u seriously believe some of the tripe u a writing on here to be true.
Take up studying history because it seems that you are more interested in looking at what happened decades ago
No you are misrepresenting me. This is not my position. I am also going by the last World Cup and the one before that. Nothing has changed.
when trying to pick the winners, rather than looking at factors that really matter like, squads/form/age/whether players can gel together or not.
Yes I look at these factors, but also past trends. You have to take ALL factors into account when pricing up an event. notice the word ALL.
Also when i sed the spanish remind me of the frogs 10 years ago, i meant around about 10 years ago.... wasn't particularly talking about the wc 98 12 years ago, but when they actually peaked imo at euro 2000- so chill out ortistic boy!!
Ok don't get your knickers in a twist.
Typical you can't provide any facts or evidence for your position so you have to start with the name calling.
and also i think you should leave betting alone because u havn't got a clue if u seriously believe some of the tripe u a writing on here to be true.
Take up studying history because it seems that you are more interested in looking at what happened decades ago
No you are misrepresenting me. This is not my position. I am also going by the last World Cup and the one before that. Nothing has changed.
when trying to pick the winners, rather than looking at factors that really matter like, squads/form/age/whether players can gel together or not.
Yes I look at these factors, but also past trends. You have to take ALL factors into account when pricing up an event. notice the word ALL.
Also when i sed the spanish remind me of the frogs 10 years ago, i meant around about 10 years ago.... wasn't particularly talking about the wc 98 12 years ago, but when they actually peaked imo at euro 2000- so chill out ortistic boy!!
Ok don't get your knickers in a twist.
Typical you can't provide any facts or evidence for your position so you have to start with the name calling.
tom_peppers_evil_abandoned_son 16 Apr 06:47
reason why teams like spain/england/netherlands underachieve-- nothing to do with underachieving, its the teams, they wern't good enough.
Oh right Holland weren't good enough in 74. They had the best player in the world. Your ignorance shows no bounds.
Spain have finally got a squad thats completely strong together and they win the euros. Holland have always been below the best defensively and in house fighting causes problems.
Based on what? According to you past World Cup tournaments have no relevance. Does the word consistency mean anything to you?
this may continue to be the case. England okay had a decent squad in 2002 (unlucky in a 50/50 game with brazil) and 2006 (lottery shootout and rooney sending off). But then again poor tactics from sven/lack of left sider and fire power up front also
Nothing to do with a 'stigma-hodoo'
What are you on about?
type thing surrounding these teams, because of history- this is total bs and an irrational and unprofessional approach to betting.
So you don't base your assessment on history? What you mean is you base it on recent history like the last 2-3 years everything else is irrelevant to you if it happened before that. You are the one who is being irrational and inconsistent not me.
reason why teams like spain/england/netherlands underachieve-- nothing to do with underachieving, its the teams, they wern't good enough.
Oh right Holland weren't good enough in 74. They had the best player in the world. Your ignorance shows no bounds.
Spain have finally got a squad thats completely strong together and they win the euros. Holland have always been below the best defensively and in house fighting causes problems.
Based on what? According to you past World Cup tournaments have no relevance. Does the word consistency mean anything to you?
this may continue to be the case. England okay had a decent squad in 2002 (unlucky in a 50/50 game with brazil) and 2006 (lottery shootout and rooney sending off). But then again poor tactics from sven/lack of left sider and fire power up front also
Nothing to do with a 'stigma-hodoo'
What are you on about?
type thing surrounding these teams, because of history- this is total bs and an irrational and unprofessional approach to betting.
So you don't base your assessment on history? What you mean is you base it on recent history like the last 2-3 years everything else is irrelevant to you if it happened before that. You are the one who is being irrational and inconsistent not me.
tom_peppers_evil_abandoned_son 16 Apr 18:58
i think the fact that you revel in the past makes
I do not revel in the past.
you blinkered and stuck in your ways when it comes to punting. my analysis is fresh and i look at all the squads and recent form.
Yes so do I. When did I say I didn't. You are misrepresenting my position again. recent form does have relevance of course it does, but other factors are also important. A balance has to be to be struck to correctly evaluate the odds .
Actually i am not going to back spain and do not necessarily think that they will win. My fancy is Brazil (but not because they have won it 5 times, because of their current squad).
I'm guessing you've have never heard of back form or class. You have got alot to learn.
But i am going to watch out for the likes of Netherlands, France and Ghana.
i think the fact that you revel in the past makes
I do not revel in the past.
you blinkered and stuck in your ways when it comes to punting. my analysis is fresh and i look at all the squads and recent form.
Yes so do I. When did I say I didn't. You are misrepresenting my position again. recent form does have relevance of course it does, but other factors are also important. A balance has to be to be struck to correctly evaluate the odds .
Actually i am not going to back spain and do not necessarily think that they will win. My fancy is Brazil (but not because they have won it 5 times, because of their current squad).
I'm guessing you've have never heard of back form or class. You have got alot to learn.
But i am going to watch out for the likes of Netherlands, France and Ghana.
no torres = no chance .
not that they had a great chance in the first place.
not that they had a great chance in the first place.
cristo you are clearly a mug, a teams form isn't affected by their own nation's performances 10/20 years ago. holland in 74 got to the final so they were close- just unlucky on the day. if betfair were around in 74 , you would've had time to lay off neways.
Spain have finally got a squad thats completely strong together and they win the euros. Holland have always been below the best defensively and in house fighting causes problems.
Based on what? According to you past World Cup tournaments have no relevance. Does the word consistency mean anything to you?
based on updates of the holland squad and previous euros- everyone knows they have a team full of individuals who dont get along
Based on what? According to you past World Cup tournaments have no relevance. Does the word consistency mean anything to you?
based on updates of the holland squad and previous euros- everyone knows they have a team full of individuals who dont get along
Sunset Cristo 19 Apr 11:16
Pleasegivemeanailedontip 18 Apr 22:37
Actually with 85% plus the 10/1 on Spain, I'd be interested to see how you price up the other 27.
Past World Cups have always been won by the same group of nations but there's no reason it should stay that way forever imo.
I can't really see how Italys previous world cup win 20 odd years earlier helped them in '06 anymore than Spains lack of previous wins will hinder them in '10
I would be interested how you price the World Cup up and why?
Answer with a question eh? Ok i'd probably go 50% between Spain, Arg, Brazil and Italy - because i think they have the best players.....30% between Eng, Holland, France, Germany, Portugal - because with good luck they can win.......10% between USA, Serbia, Chile, Ivory, mexico - i think they're most likely to cause an upset......10% between the other 18 - noones without a chance but serious luck required
Actually with 85% plus the 10/1 on Spain, I'd be interested to see how you price up the other 27.
I think you will find that 6% divided by 27 = 0.22% so virtually no chance. Although the liberals were prices at about 300+ /1 till recently so anything can happen
I assume by that you don't mean England, Portugal, Holland and France at 400/1+ but you'd still need to put them all at 70/1+ to get everyone in? Is that right?
Pleasegivemeanailedontip 18 Apr 22:37
Actually with 85% plus the 10/1 on Spain, I'd be interested to see how you price up the other 27.
Past World Cups have always been won by the same group of nations but there's no reason it should stay that way forever imo.
I can't really see how Italys previous world cup win 20 odd years earlier helped them in '06 anymore than Spains lack of previous wins will hinder them in '10
I would be interested how you price the World Cup up and why?
Answer with a question eh? Ok i'd probably go 50% between Spain, Arg, Brazil and Italy - because i think they have the best players.....30% between Eng, Holland, France, Germany, Portugal - because with good luck they can win.......10% between USA, Serbia, Chile, Ivory, mexico - i think they're most likely to cause an upset......10% between the other 18 - noones without a chance but serious luck required
Actually with 85% plus the 10/1 on Spain, I'd be interested to see how you price up the other 27.
I think you will find that 6% divided by 27 = 0.22% so virtually no chance. Although the liberals were prices at about 300+ /1 till recently so anything can happen
I assume by that you don't mean England, Portugal, Holland and France at 400/1+ but you'd still need to put them all at 70/1+ to get everyone in? Is that right?
Big Bucks John 15 Apr 12:49
OK The Euros are a pointless tournament, was some fun entertaining friendly matches I was watching 2 years ago then I guess.
Seeing as you base your predicitions of the winner on 80 years ago then Uruguay must be one of the most likely winners lol.
If you had bothered to read my posts and understand them you would know that I had said the only thing that had changed in World Cup football was that Argentina had replaced Uruguay. Learn to read.
The difference between me and you is that I watch football and judge how good teams are and go on recent results from the past couple of years, whereas you look at who's won the most world cups etc and presume they are the best team this time around, very flawed outlook imo.
It's worked well for me. Who did you back in the last World cup? Was it Argentina or weren't you old enough to bet then?
OK The Euros are a pointless tournament, was some fun entertaining friendly matches I was watching 2 years ago then I guess.
Seeing as you base your predicitions of the winner on 80 years ago then Uruguay must be one of the most likely winners lol.
If you had bothered to read my posts and understand them you would know that I had said the only thing that had changed in World Cup football was that Argentina had replaced Uruguay. Learn to read.
The difference between me and you is that I watch football and judge how good teams are and go on recent results from the past couple of years, whereas you look at who's won the most world cups etc and presume they are the best team this time around, very flawed outlook imo.
It's worked well for me. Who did you back in the last World cup? Was it Argentina or weren't you old enough to bet then?
Tottenham 15 Apr 13:32
Well all those that don't fancy Spain to win the World Cup please keep laying them and then those of us that do fancy Spain can get a bigger price on them lifting the World Cup.
Then we will see who is in our out of pocket come when the Word Cup ends.
I also bet based on what I've seen, rather than what I'm told.
And from what I've see Spain look worthy fav's and the team to beat in South Africa
I'm guessing you backed argentina in the last World cup then?
Well all those that don't fancy Spain to win the World Cup please keep laying them and then those of us that do fancy Spain can get a bigger price on them lifting the World Cup.
Then we will see who is in our out of pocket come when the Word Cup ends.
I also bet based on what I've seen, rather than what I'm told.
And from what I've see Spain look worthy fav's and the team to beat in South Africa
I'm guessing you backed argentina in the last World cup then?
No, I backed Brazil in the last World Cup.
And if I was to have a saver for 2010, I would/ will back Brazil again.
And if I was to have a saver for 2010, I would/ will back Brazil again.
I bet Italy in the last world cup sunset, but didnt be at the start, bet Italy before the quarters
Thankyou my friend :)
Thankyou my friend :)
the only thing that had changed in World Cup football was that Argentina had replaced Uruguay. Learn to read.
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history is a decent guideline, but the ONLY thing it serves to tell us what we already know - the core teams mentioned, the ones who have won it or consistently done well, are countries which have a good football infrastructure and national league, decent youth setup (or top youth competition eg the south american nations), and obviously countries where football is the national sport, and gets plenty of money thrown at it.
this is no secret, and while history can list these teams for us easily, you could also find them out today with no checking for past results. what IS of interest historically i think, is how well each teams national league was doing at the time of major tournaments - this is something that can be transposed to the current day. for instance, when spain won their euro cup in 64, it was during a time of unprecedented dominance by real madrid in europe. things are obviously different now with more foreigners in all leagues, but it still something to look at. for instance if i were to take a few signs from the leagues today, it would make me interested in italy, and unkeen to back germany.
i cant agree with your 10/1 cristo (14s was just ridiculous), if you were a high street bookie you would end up with a pretty lopsided book by world cup kick off. however 4/1 is a horrific price too, think 8s would suffice. you also mentioned 'hundreds of teams' playing in the world cup, well i dont even think there are 200 countries in the world, and at any rate only 76 have made it to the WC finals. of these, you can automatically discount 2/3 as they cannot compete on the (mainly economic) terms outlined above. where history will fall down tho, is that these parameters can change - the statement you gave saying 'never back an outcome that hasnt already happened' is one of the worst pieces of gambling advice you will ever hear. just imo.
this is no secret, and while history can list these teams for us easily, you could also find them out today with no checking for past results. what IS of interest historically i think, is how well each teams national league was doing at the time of major tournaments - this is something that can be transposed to the current day. for instance, when spain won their euro cup in 64, it was during a time of unprecedented dominance by real madrid in europe. things are obviously different now with more foreigners in all leagues, but it still something to look at. for instance if i were to take a few signs from the leagues today, it would make me interested in italy, and unkeen to back germany.
i cant agree with your 10/1 cristo (14s was just ridiculous), if you were a high street bookie you would end up with a pretty lopsided book by world cup kick off. however 4/1 is a horrific price too, think 8s would suffice. you also mentioned 'hundreds of teams' playing in the world cup, well i dont even think there are 200 countries in the world, and at any rate only 76 have made it to the WC finals. of these, you can automatically discount 2/3 as they cannot compete on the (mainly economic) terms outlined above. where history will fall down tho, is that these parameters can change - the statement you gave saying 'never back an outcome that hasnt already happened' is one of the worst pieces of gambling advice you will ever hear. just imo.
Unkeen to back Germany? Do they not have a team in the Semis of both Euro comps?
cant agree with your 10/1 cristo (14s was just ridiculous), if you were a high street bookie you would end up with a pretty lopsided book by world cup kick off.
As I keep saying I don't need to lay them at that price. Not rocket science is in.
however 4/1 is a horrific price too, think 8s would suffice. you also mentioned 'hundreds of teams' playing in the world cup, well i dont even think there are 200 countries in the world,
No you have misunderstood me.There 32 competing in this World Cup. There was less in the past. Think it was 16 in the past. So if you say 24 on average that's 18 times 24=432 and thats not including the World Cup qualifiers. If you include these then it's alot more.
and at any rate only 76 have made it to the WC finals. of these, you can automatically discount 2/3 as they cannot compete on the (mainly economic) terms outlined above. where history will fall down tho, is that these parameters can change - the statement you gave saying 'never back an outcome that hasnt already happened' is one of the worst pieces of gambling advice you will ever hear. just imo
Yes the parameters can change, but there are no signs they have changed yet. Last World Cup won by Italy one of the usual suspects again. World Cup before that Brazil won it. One of the usual suspects. Looks like business as usual to me. Germany 3rd place and runners up.Even though many were singing the mantra the Germans are not as good as in the past. They don't have the players etc. All very predictable based on past results.Would you back a horse to win a race that it had previously lost 18 times. My research tells me it's a bad bet. Have you ever done any research into this kind of thing or are you just making baseless assertions?
As I keep saying I don't need to lay them at that price. Not rocket science is in.
however 4/1 is a horrific price too, think 8s would suffice. you also mentioned 'hundreds of teams' playing in the world cup, well i dont even think there are 200 countries in the world,
No you have misunderstood me.There 32 competing in this World Cup. There was less in the past. Think it was 16 in the past. So if you say 24 on average that's 18 times 24=432 and thats not including the World Cup qualifiers. If you include these then it's alot more.
and at any rate only 76 have made it to the WC finals. of these, you can automatically discount 2/3 as they cannot compete on the (mainly economic) terms outlined above. where history will fall down tho, is that these parameters can change - the statement you gave saying 'never back an outcome that hasnt already happened' is one of the worst pieces of gambling advice you will ever hear. just imo
Yes the parameters can change, but there are no signs they have changed yet. Last World Cup won by Italy one of the usual suspects again. World Cup before that Brazil won it. One of the usual suspects. Looks like business as usual to me. Germany 3rd place and runners up.Even though many were singing the mantra the Germans are not as good as in the past. They don't have the players etc. All very predictable based on past results.Would you back a horse to win a race that it had previously lost 18 times. My research tells me it's a bad bet. Have you ever done any research into this kind of thing or are you just making baseless assertions?
Yeah but when you look at a horse's form it is recent and is the same horse, your comparing things 50 years ago with completely diff teams and I might back a horse that got beaten 18 times anyway, depends on the circumstances...
to be honest spain are about a 12/1 shot to win this years world cup and if i had the bangers and mash to back it up i would lay them to get a few quid....
This is true, but I think you will find that a team had to perform consistently will over a period of 4 weeks and not just the period of one day or one match
Not really accurate. Witness Italy in 1982. Struggled through the group before they came good.
All that said, I agree with Sunset generally. The WC is very much a horses for courses tourney, and it's also true that home advantage is special. There have been some excellent results from such as S Korea in the past. As for Spain this year, I'd love them to win it but they are underpriced imo. I well remember how strongly fancied Denmark were in '86. I laid them at 7/1 then asked the guy if he wanted any more at 8s. History etc.
Not really accurate. Witness Italy in 1982. Struggled through the group before they came good.
All that said, I agree with Sunset generally. The WC is very much a horses for courses tourney, and it's also true that home advantage is special. There have been some excellent results from such as S Korea in the past. As for Spain this year, I'd love them to win it but they are underpriced imo. I well remember how strongly fancied Denmark were in '86. I laid them at 7/1 then asked the guy if he wanted any more at 8s. History etc.
Big Bucks John 21 Apr 11:48
Yeah but when you look at a horse's form it is recent and is the same horse, your comparing things 50 years ago with completely diff teams and I might back a horse that got beaten 18 times anyway, depends on the circumstances...
First of all I agree recent form usually is more important that form 50 years ago ,but nothing much has changed in 50 years. Still the same teams winnings. Also recent form under the same conditions and class is what's important. What I mean is in the World Cup final. Last 2 World Cup's won by the same old teams. You can't just take form at face value. You have to look at the class and conditions etc.as you say circumstances. Pity you don't apply this when you talk about Spain's form. Does the word consistency mean anything to you?
Yeah but when you look at a horse's form it is recent and is the same horse, your comparing things 50 years ago with completely diff teams and I might back a horse that got beaten 18 times anyway, depends on the circumstances...
First of all I agree recent form usually is more important that form 50 years ago ,but nothing much has changed in 50 years. Still the same teams winnings. Also recent form under the same conditions and class is what's important. What I mean is in the World Cup final. Last 2 World Cup's won by the same old teams. You can't just take form at face value. You have to look at the class and conditions etc.as you say circumstances. Pity you don't apply this when you talk about Spain's form. Does the word consistency mean anything to you?
Alias 22 Apr 13:53
This is true, but I think you will find that a team had to perform consistently will over a period of 4 weeks and not just the period of one day or one match
Not really accurate. Witness Italy in 1982. Struggled through the group before they came good.
Yes I would agree with this. If a team is going to put a bad one in then it has to be during the first 3 games.As you say the winner often starts of slowly and isn't impressive. England did this in 66.
All that said, I agree with Sunset generally. The WC is very much a horses for courses tourney, and it's also true that home advantage is special. There have been some excellent results from such as S Korea in the past. As for Spain this year, I'd love them to win it but they are underpriced imo. I well remember how strongly fancied Denmark were in '86. I laid them at 7/1 then asked the guy if he wanted any more at 8s. History etc.
This is true, but I think you will find that a team had to perform consistently will over a period of 4 weeks and not just the period of one day or one match
Not really accurate. Witness Italy in 1982. Struggled through the group before they came good.
Yes I would agree with this. If a team is going to put a bad one in then it has to be during the first 3 games.As you say the winner often starts of slowly and isn't impressive. England did this in 66.
All that said, I agree with Sunset generally. The WC is very much a horses for courses tourney, and it's also true that home advantage is special. There have been some excellent results from such as S Korea in the past. As for Spain this year, I'd love them to win it but they are underpriced imo. I well remember how strongly fancied Denmark were in '86. I laid them at 7/1 then asked the guy if he wanted any more at 8s. History etc.
First of all I agree recent form usually is more important that form 50 years ago ,but nothing much has changed in 50 years. Still the same teams winnings. Also recent form under the same conditions and class is what's important. What I mean is in the World Cup final. Last 2 World Cup's won by the same old teams. You can't just take form at face value. You have to look at the class and conditions etc.as you say circumstances. Pity you don't apply this when you talk about Spain's form. Does the word consistency mean anything to you?
It certainly does and the current Spanish national team is more consistent than any other country.
It certainly does and the current Spanish national team is more consistent than any other country.
spain are consistent ill give you that.
since the world cup began 80 years ago they have consistently
failed to finish in the top 3.
beat that for consistency
rofl.
since the world cup began 80 years ago they have consistently
failed to finish in the top 3.
beat that for consistency
rofl.
Sorry I forgot there is a few people on here who think that basing their their chances on their team 80 years ago is more accurate than basing thier chances on their current team.
g Bucks John 23 Apr 02:22
Sorry I forgot there is a few people on here who think that basing their their chances on their team 80 years ago is more accurate than basing thier chances on their current team
Why do you keep misrepresenting what we are saying? Are you really that obtuse that you can't grasp what we are saying or you are being disingenuous. It's not 80 years ago it's over the last 50 years and it has happened in the two most recent World Cups. Won't go in will it.
Sorry I forgot there is a few people on here who think that basing their their chances on their team 80 years ago is more accurate than basing thier chances on their current team
Why do you keep misrepresenting what we are saying? Are you really that obtuse that you can't grasp what we are saying or you are being disingenuous. It's not 80 years ago it's over the last 50 years and it has happened in the two most recent World Cups. Won't go in will it.
Big Bucks John 22 Apr 19:43
First of all I agree recent form usually is more important that form 50 years ago ,but nothing much has changed in 50 years. Still the same teams winnings. Also recent form under the same conditions and class is what's important. What I mean is in the World Cup final. Last 2 World Cup's won by the same old teams. You can't just take form at face value. You have to look at the class and conditions etc.as you say circumstances. Pity you don't apply this when you talk about Spain's form. Does the word consistency mean anything to you?
It certainly does and the current Spanish national team is more consistent than any other country.
Dodge noted. Notice how you fail to address the points I raised again and then twist it round to mean something other that what I was saying. Learn to read and stop being disingenuous. You think that people can't see what you are doing. You are only fooling your self. Grow up.
First of all I agree recent form usually is more important that form 50 years ago ,but nothing much has changed in 50 years. Still the same teams winnings. Also recent form under the same conditions and class is what's important. What I mean is in the World Cup final. Last 2 World Cup's won by the same old teams. You can't just take form at face value. You have to look at the class and conditions etc.as you say circumstances. Pity you don't apply this when you talk about Spain's form. Does the word consistency mean anything to you?
It certainly does and the current Spanish national team is more consistent than any other country.
Dodge noted. Notice how you fail to address the points I raised again and then twist it round to mean something other that what I was saying. Learn to read and stop being disingenuous. You think that people can't see what you are doing. You are only fooling your self. Grow up.
the lay preacher 22 Apr 23:41
spain are consistent ill give you that.
since the world cup began 80 years ago they have consistently
failed to finish in the top 3.
beat that for consistency
rofl.
See Last 80 years ffs! Muppet city!
spain are consistent ill give you that.
since the world cup began 80 years ago they have consistently
failed to finish in the top 3.
beat that for consistency
rofl.
See Last 80 years ffs! Muppet city!
no torres or xavi name your own price spain now lol.
Early days yet, but it's more evidence that Spain struggle to play in the World Cup and outside Europe.The Germans on the other hand . Business as usual.Spain just seem to run out of ideas and give up abit. The Germans would never do that.This is the difference.
BBJ has gone very quite. Cheer up BBJ you still might prove us all wrong. Do you still think Spain should be 5/2?[:p]
the lay preacher . BBJ and his friends have gone very quiet.
spain are having to cope now with what brazil and to a lesser extent argentina have had to put up with for years.
and that is every team they meet will treat it like a cup final and it is a hard thing to deal with.
and that is every team they meet will treat it like a cup final and it is a hard thing to deal with.
well done bbj and all spain backers sometimes youve just got to hold your hands up and say you got it wrong .this is one of those times. good luck in the final.
Thanks preacher.
I had a nibble on Holland at the start as well so stand to win either way, but stand to win a lot more if Spain win and I think they will as well.
I had a nibble on Holland at the start as well so stand to win either way, but stand to win a lot more if Spain win and I think they will as well.
Sunset Cristo 30 Mar 16:38
Spain could win , but I make them a 14/1 chance.Imo there is a 90% chance that the winner will come from these 4 teams. Brazil,Italy, Germany or Argentina will win.
Sunset Cristo 15 Apr 10 01:54
Successful punters are able to correctly evaluate the price of of a team winning with out letting emotion or prejudice get in the way.
Spain could win , but I make them a 14/1 chance.Imo there is a 90% chance that the winner will come from these 4 teams. Brazil,Italy, Germany or Argentina will win.
Sunset Cristo 15 Apr 10 01:54
Successful punters are able to correctly evaluate the price of of a team winning with out letting emotion or prejudice get in the way.
Ok I admit it I got it wrong. As I said they had a 1 in 15 chance of winning it, but they haven't won it yet.
Good value and trade at the moment - but that's all it is so far....
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