2 whiners

49k MNR 4 .. still loading still betting

lol everyone the betfair cheerleader is really dancing tonight/

come on why don't u crawl under the bosses desk now

that's basically all u serve for everyone here. we want fair betting, you want bs betting. very simple. Bet daq is better I heard. go there

you are continually crying on BF razor

it is ridiculous

plenty of money in the pools on sensible betting races .. right up to loading time

why do you ALWAYS look at the most unbackable races ... unbelievable

oh that's right .. you trade .. and want a big pool with tight spreads on silly races when a punter is makning a cup of tea

ffs

Personal attacks now?

The only ridiculous thing around here is the one poster trying to pretend gross mismanagement of markets is not taking place and has now stooped to personal attacks of longtime players on the site over the matter.

By the way-Mr Wrongasawayoflife-at least a dozen players all of whom have been 10yrs or longer have posted complaints.

you ... or razor .... started the betfair employee LIE against me

now its another shoe .. and you start crying ffs

you guys are really ridiculous

I don't post lies like you do.

I'm sure there is a reason your posts read as if you are employed by the exchange.

But the fact of the matter is you posted at least three gross errors that any employee of the exchange would know were false.

Believing you are employed by the exchange means believing they hired someone with 10,000 posts, that has been here for ten years, that doesn't even know the business.

I already posted, I have no idea why you feel an obligation to both respond and defend the worst mismanagement in the history of the site nor care.

There is nothing you can post that is going to bring a halt to my pointing out how they did it right for 15yrs and are now struggling with the basics.

Unless you are being paid to respond, it is pointless.

I'm sure there is a reason your posts read as if you are employed by the exchange.


your assumptions ...re me ... are 100% incorrect NewGuy

and that is your main problem as I see it

incorrect assumptions


if you are completely incorrect regarding me then MAYBE your assumption about the market management being hopeless & unstructured .... is also incorrect

firstly this forum ... i believe ... is moderated by a company that is NOT betfair & if that is the case then your continual moaning and groaning is falling on the deafest of ears

someone some six weeks ago posted a reply from BF helpdesk where they had mentioned what you & razor ... and I ... acknowledge is a change in the closing times of some races (NOT ALL) ... and that reply at the time i think went something like ...


"BF:  we see no reason to change the way the US markets are currently being managed"


now you appear bright enough NG (less emotional than Razor who i quite like by the way) and from that purported BF reply ... if it was genuine ... tells us that the markets are being handled exactly the way the hierarchy want

if so ... then your assumption that it is ... mismanagement ... might be another wrong assumption 


and if that is the case then ... like many other punters including myself .. it has been imperative for such punter to modify their actions within the environment we are all stuck with

(unlike Razor who has threatened to take all his business somewhere else - of course i would not be so churlish as to suggest that ... 'somewhere else" ... was HIS EMPLOYER ... rather than just his preference of environment)


so ...   IMHO   ... whether either of us are right or wrong ... it matters little as we attempt to get set on a race where we have put some time & effort into assessing the play in the hope of turning a profit over a period of time

so until tomorrow .. (and the next ongoing winge i guess) ... i bid you farewell NG and good fortunes as you open up your formguide to try and make a mark on the new races yet to come

thebas is  all bad news  seeing all   wrong view  of betting early is a good thing


WAKE UP

ALL RACES   MUST BE   SUSSPEND  AT THE OFF  NOT  FIVE MIN BEFORE THE OFF

THEBAS

IS TALKING B***s***

dont even read his posts anymore as  it   all wrong


RULE OF THE GAME 

HAD BEEN  FOR 100 OF YEARS   

ALL   BETS  SUSPEND AT THE OFF   

NO BRAINER

and yet it changed Chris

the rules switched on you one night

none of us no why cause no one was told

but

OPEN YOUR EYES

you might have missed what's been happening for the past 3 months

exit from under your rock and see the light

adjust & prosper .. or just moan and meander like the other lemmings

Darwin would be disappointed in you guys .... move evolve & get back on the punt ffs

this crying game is nonsense

please put up the response you got from the BF Helpdesk

I mean .. YOU DID WRITE TO THEM DIDN'T YOU .. rather than just dribble & moan on here day after day

ffs 

still  rules of the  game  is      all bet at off



how  can  we do    now t

surely  betfair  to say sorry

as if it  happen on uk racing it be a masses     of outrages

same old bass   saying  punting at five mins to off  give me a break

i am not going to open my eyes 


been here too long and  it all wrong 


AS I STAND ALL BET AT OFF

ALL BETS AT OFF   

EVEN GUYS IN BOOKIE  TAKE BETS  BUT MOST DONT KNOW IT VOID  AND PUT IT IN THE BIN


bookies  workers watched the bins do they to boost  the wages

be  susspend   five mins to off    is   like  as bad as that 

as low as that   


what can i do

i mean  late bet   by few sec  after the off

i am not going to open my eyes


says it all chris 

all the best with your punting & good fortunes in the future

Right but why should people not be told about this change and left in the dark. Make it consistent, say every race is going to be closed 1 minute before post time, because we are an inferior site not capable of getting a feed to suspend at the off the way it has been done in the past. Yes a poster made a comment about BF response, but that is a poster who prob took a lot of time out of his day to finally get thst response. And only those who happened to look at that post, could see what they wrote. The problem is they do not suspend the races at all consistent to argue against that is just simply sad. One time you bet as the first horse loads its open the next its not. The one you miss wins, the one you get losses. Regardless of outcome its not a tradable market if its like that. I say either do it right or don't do it at all. Having to bet 5 minutes before to ensure a bet is madness and that is what you are arguing. If you actually look at the markets the times the biggest bets come in are last sec if it is ever open anymore. That's when the money starts to talk. 5 minutes before is not when people who want to win make bets. The ones complaining I bet are the top players for betting. The ones staying quiet lose anyway they don't care they just lose. Just like if they raised the commission 10% losers keep playing, winners complain. So u suggest we all become losers. We don't want that. And if BF wants to make that notion, tell its customers. But seems to me talking on this forum is like talking to a rock so im honestly not gonna do it. Il send my complaints to the commission that handles BF and see there response.

Right but why should people not be told about this change and left in the dark

I agree 100% Razor

this Forum moderation I believe is outsourced to another company who just monitor it for offenses and such

please write to BF Helpdesk again and be patient & respectful in your writing with them

I would be interested in their answer but I have moved my betting model to adjust with the current situation

I suggest others move on also and punt sensibly until this is either resolved or we know we are stuck with what we have

The "When you need something to look at " thread is gone

(or have I missed it )

ffs

if anyone needs to see henry's thread amongst their betting activities please go to the Australian forum

(where I believe it was also removed at some point - henry misses quite a few indications I guess )

here is his thread

http://community.betfair.com/australian/go/thread/view/93998/30538953/the-thread-is-gone

Damn good thread imo..lol

Thought of you (Thebas)  (and Kami for some reason) looking at the the strapper of the number 2 in Belmont race 8 ....slim.. blonde...tight jeans and neat backside...camera man on her for ages fixing a strap or 2

I would have been watching her .. but I'd packed up for the day by then

kami would be thinking that I was watching her ... so you both would have been correct lol

but please .. punting is the focus here and a few lads have taken some time to adjust to a new situation on the US with inconsistent market closing times

once I realised it was going to be commonplace (the closing times) I watched the bots for a few days ... and worked out where I could do my business

(I am not a big plunger - or trader - like these guys so my needs are well satisfied - I get on when I need to and get a high end price thx to the bot movements - but noit necessarily always the "best" price" - tho the price is always higher than my assessment of the horse & the race it is in - those that don't have a 'price' for their horse will never know whether they have value or not and/or even WHEN to place their bet)

tricky game punting for sure ... the 'mob' is against you .. but fun still

First two races at Belmont were graded stakes races,

one had 2000, the other 4000 matched-

update those models! 

Most inept, incompetent mismanagement ever, just left BEL R10 open for 15minutes after it was over-
because pushing the button on the off is just so incredibly difficult of a task.

you are starting to scare me NewGuy 

seriously 

the first two races at Belmont   


please have another look

at what type of races they were .. in the USA


(and maybe consider stopping trading for a while - you are not on the same page sorry )

I guess NewGuy didn't check those Belmont races (before ... or after the race)



NewGuy@BF
First two races at Belmont were graded stakes races,

one had 2000, the other 4000 matched-

update those models! 


nice slag on me re the "update those models" .. I am figuring out the type of guy you are now NG

after I advised razor that ...

please write to BF Helpdesk again and be patient & respectful in your writing with them

I would be interested in their answer but I have moved my betting model to adjust with the current situation

NewGuy clearly hasn't updated/modified/adjusted/replanned or anything else with his betting behaviour ... just continues to moan on an on for goodness sake


NewGuy

in case you lost your formguide

I realise that in the UK the Hunt season (when the flatters are on hols) is a big thing

but in the USA (as has been the case in Oz for the past 5 years)

the HURDLERS are a "novelty"

you can call them Trials/Novices or Grade Ones .. but the fact remains HURDLE races are a novelty

to base your ongoing tirade of limited liquidity on the basis of two JUMPS races is ludicrous in my eyes


if you do not know what the type of races you are attempting to TRADE in .. then you should stay out for a while

imo ... all hurdle races in the USA will continue to attract limited bets from punters

(you should complain instead about the other traders ... who are letting you down by also not investing in such races)

Friday evening @ Penn used to attract many posters,what's occurring.Meanwhile the results are still ok for me at Penn