betfair what time was the start of the 22.26 saratoga ?

22.32..

well so much for NewGuy & the others and their nonsense

they have been saying the races are closing 5 mins early   



but if it was Race 9 ... then I had shut down my betting for the day by then

but equibase list the off time 

on their records R9 was off at 5.32 

(UK timeframe, US timeframe and Oz timeframe hours for me are all around the clock face ... but the minutes reference is always the same)

here is the link if you wish to verify Toffeeman ... but if it wasn't R9 then check the other race results and let us know

https://www.equibase.com/premium/chartEmb.cfm?track=SAR&raceDate=09/02/15&cy=USA&rn=9

of course there is an issue NewGuy .. its been happening for 3 months

however .. as a punter .. I cannot allow my operation to just stall or stop as it appears to do to the traders

you guys are stuck I accept that .. because to you .. a race is a race is a race .. and every race therefore is important to you and needs to be operating as per your own schedule .. which I guess means trying to scalp the seeders who are bludgeoning the punters who the traders can no longer scalp themselves

there is the dilemma ..

but the punters are getting set (I know because I am one of them) at an earlier timeframe than 'right at the off'

why the traders don't jump in early and make a position at the absolute extreme end of back/lay possibility ... where NO ONE will actually take your trades but the seeders bot's might be tempted to edge the prices out/in out towards your offers

that is your only hope as a trader short of packing up shop

the punters .. and the seeders will just scramble to get what they can out of the offerings still on display

I myself don't play every race .. and never did

I have 8 - 9 race cards each day .. I examine and look for races where I might have an edge odds/value wise .. and I play maybe 50% of the ones I would really like to be in (which is about 20% of all the races examined)

such is the life of a punter trying to extract some value

the older trader is now waiting till "close to the jump" hoping some big late money will come in and at the same time the odds for back/lay will be tight enough to skim as a buy/sell

so no one is getting the greatest deal ..

but the punters & seeders are still playing .. with the punters just chosing which races amongst every race on offer they will play in ..

and the seeders cannot know in advance which races they will be betting in ..

and the traders are just sitting on the hands and not pushing any buttons in the vain hope .. that at some future point .. much action will again take place ... right around the off time

but the markets are closed before that happens

its a battle I know .. but either adjust to the current tricky climate .. or find something else to do I guess ... as you suggested

all the best NewGuy

time for traders to move on then newguy

.. punters & seeders are still happily playing .. and getting set in the 2-5 min range before the off

all the best in the "new" venture

newguy
Woodbine R3 2,000 matched. Fav straddle at the off 4.1 -7.4.

I guess not enough people are adapting.



mate I don't know how many times I can explain this to you

Woodbine R3 was a maiden race ... with just the 6 runners

the CLOSEST one if the horses had run in their LAST RACE was ...   ten and three quarter lengths from the winner

another runner was having its first ever start


WHY ANY PUNTER would be interested in such a poor betting race is what surprises me .. that it held 2k shows that seeders & some traders are putting up sheckels

traders think each race is aviable race ... ie a race is a race is a race

but to a punter that is not the case


last at Monmouth 36k .. betting to the off ...  WERE YOU TRADING IN THAT RACE ?

if not .. you were looking at silly non bettable race .. and packing up your trading shop just when a sensible betting race came along

I can't teach you these things .. but you must at some point .. if betting in horse races .. actually look at the type of horses that are running

dill

I didn't bump the thread

just responding to your continual moaning nonsense that doesn't make sense

why state a 6 horse maiden race where they majority hadn't finished within TEN LENGTHS of the winner last start as some sort of proof that people cant get a bet on

ridiculous

if you cant get a bet on .. you aren't trying

if you cant  T R A D E .. move on

you have the same mental issue as NewGuy

promote BF ... you are a nutter mate

I don't promote BF ..     I BET ON BF

you on the other hand .. don't bet .. you trade

traders days are gone mate

your $20 bot that buys at $2.26 and sells at $2.25 is history

the seeders have worked you out .. they are closing the race before your bot makes it move

same as I said to the liar NewGuy (I did not bump a 5 year old thread as he said ffs ... he cant even read a date on a thread so how could he possibly bet correctly - just another trader)

good luck with it razor .. punters are out there snapping up the good odds (10/1) in the 2-5 min mark before off

I have explained how to do this .. you cannot register it in your brain ...

but good fortunes to you anyway

(promoting BF  ffs )

didn't get your lay on Henry ?

you could always aftertime a result 

helps set the market

Not the correct words...--initiate the market perhaps

I don't promote BF ..     I BET ON BF

I am very happy to promote Betfair..

Not a trader but think it must be especially great for the traders....technical information by graphs..no transaction fees just a small 6% commission on profits ()

Not all races are trade-able but given the huge number that are it is simply patience...

see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBgCKWvtpdI

cross matching takes place afterwards henry

OK (just trying to get traction on these concepts and see it is a Thebas subject)


a punter adapts

Punters have many many more betting options eg choice of corporates etc etc

Have to go....hope to continue on the round about sometime...

GL

Not really Thebas its more like you put water into a tree that grows. But the water needs to be put into the tree right before dark. Of course this is fictional. But it doesent grow unless it is done that way, and has been done that way since existence. Having to water the tree well before dark doesent induce the same results. It might give you a small burst of growth every now and than, but there is no consistency in its growth and its dies again. You cannot grow the tree that way unless you are the seeder in the case of Betfair. Just like you cannot win betting early. Unless you are a seeder or have inside money(trainers or som). Or you are very "smart"... I know your 2-5 mins stuff does not work. No chance to win in the long run, hence the tree comparison. So I wont take it seriously because I know it wont matter, I might bet a little money now and than but slowly fade out. Not to mention BF feels no need to tell there loyal customers about the change. It shows a lack of any care about there customers which is why I suggest people complain and stop. Not because of early suspension, people can do as they please. And whether others do it or not I don't care, but im on for a intended reason. I know plenty of bettors who do what you say to do but they cannot render consistent profits and only lose. I don't care what others do, if betfair closes races erratically and usually very early I cannot win, I guess im very stupid. So its not that im a baby or a quitter I just don't care to be part of a losing game. What would happen if the stock market was closed 5 minutes before 4pm or 16:00 for example. Like I said BF is arrogant and does not feel the need to make this public and let the world know there dramatic choices. But they take commission and actually have premium charges.