ZERO MINS TO POST TIME CHARLES TOWN - market still open $21k

Please stop posting anything! Your feedback is pure betfair BS. You should wear a cheerleading uniform. It would look good on you.

Thebas is Betfair. good work. You will never see me get used to crap. Take a look at the other posters. I suppose there all wrong and you MR Thebas/Betfair is right.

Don't bother with him. Hes not worth your time.

you have to change razor .. you know it .. it just doesn't work trading off the punters anymore .. the market managers are trading of us ... and you are left in the cold with a suspended race

you are worth the time for me to explain this to you .. so I will

don't know where you are getting this trsders took over part either.


well that part I don't know NG .. someone said on here a while back as they were complaing about the markets .. that it is traders suspending the markets earlier

you make enough sense to me in what you say that you would understand that if this hurt BF financially then they would do something about it as any business would

I can only assume that it is BOTS that are shutting down the markets .. this is only an assumption though

but my assumption is based on the fact that the shut down times are not consistent with anything .. like the loading of horses for example (ie up until the 2nd last horse for example)

the only affected party as you mention would be BF themselves .. as each dollar played into the pool will at some point have a commission extracted from the winning party

the punter who does form study (such as myself) has an "idea" (not perfect) of what a value price is for one to four of the runners in a race .. so that value price can be 'hit' at any point from inide the viewing shots from the racetrack which start 10 mins out showing the on course tote prices (in odds) from the USA

everyone then seems to wait until the tote moves again about 5 mins out .. and a mini scramble starts ... small dollar plays

at the 2 min mark it takes another movement ... and a punter is either on before or makes his move then

this waiting around until the least horse loads scenario where the belief is the 'best of the prices' will be had is not what I see with my eyes

if players are just waiting to see where 'the money" goes to follow it in on the basis that the horse is a 'goer' for want of a better word backfires as often as it correct from the limited looks I have had

so by traders waiting, waiting, waiting, till the last second before unloading might have been the very catalyst that the market managers (and traders themselves maybe as suggested by others on her) have had to fight against and their method is to shut it off at a favourable position to themselves

who knows .. but these threads are not doing anything to change the minds of BF .. as someone contacted them and posted the contents of the email .. which said they see no reason to change the market management from how it is today .. ie suspending early

and that is where we are I guess

There is no money to get your bets on earlier.. Even if u wanted to. Money comes in late.

If Jerry had run in any of the other 3000-5000 matched Charlestown races instead of the 25,000 matched race, it is less likely he would have hit your price threshold.

also true NG

but I had no interest in the 3000-5000 held races .. as did few other backers .. and there was a reason for that

so if the traders don't play with the seeders in those little-interest-for-backers-races ... then you can write those races off for trading these days

but there should always be enough money in the right races (multiple solid chances and a somewhat false standout)

all the best

how do you know there was very little interest with the races being suspended at 5mins to post?

.. because I use my eyes NG

and I think like a backer

traders are waiting too long to enter the market .. they don't even put up ridiculous potential trades at long value even to stimulate interest

stop thinking like a trader and examine the mind of a backer

if you don't .. then you will always be waiting & waiting in races where only the traders are playing with the seeders

the backers won't be involved in those sorts of races

each to their won .. we agree to disagree again

a bit like the Monty Python .. do you want the $5 or $10 argument

I am getting set in markets

you are not

one of us is doing something right as backer .. as a trader you are doing something wrong because the market suspension occurs before the trader pulls the trigger

this has been going on for 3 months now

if BF wont change .. then you might have to

I'm done for today .. all the best ..

I assume we will redo this same conversation all again tomorrow 

what with those bs      atr   is at 16 secs delay       

what the with 3 min  to off and even some 4 min to off  it   far too long

i have a  feed  and it  about 8 secs  ahead of atr

give me a break i think  betfair is breaking  a law  here

by law all bet       at off no more  it that i be told    for yolks

i am a small guy finding small   feed   to watch usa racing
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betfair  is a big big   million    crew   and they cant  suspend on time    can i have  their job  so that   i     do   i good   job       making   everything  spot on    cos it not that hard to remove runners and make sure  every thing      at off before  atr   not a plm     


and   all in quick and fair   and always on  time   can i have a job   on usa racing betfair  and    i press that big fat  red button  on  the off on time

ok i been on here too long i live and brethe  it

it better then working in a dead end job

long live befair u change my life  thank u

off to get swimming in cheese 

back at ten as it the best time on usa racing  take care

Razor ... that may be the case .. we have not established why just yet

however .. I searched long & hard through the T&C and other areas of BF's help stuff and found nothing relating to market management etc

UNTIL .. and here it gets interesting ... if you wish to pursue this (in a civil manner I humbly suggest) with an email to betfair and a basic cut & paste

I have opened DEL 9 race to look at the market .. it is a lowly maiden with and odds-on pop and just 2 others under 10/1

this does not look like a tradeable or bettable race so I will watch only

HOWEVER .. and who does this ? .. I clicked on the RULES tab on the betting market page (I use the old sports site so maybe it has been changed on the NEW sports site which I do not like)

so go to RULES tab .. and it actually says the following for this race in the USA !!!

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MARKET INFORMATION

For further information please see Rules & Regs.

Who will win this race? This market will be settled on the official result - horses running
for purse only will be scratched. CARD NUMBERS ARE A GUIDE ONLY. BETS ARE
PLACED ON A NAMED HORSE. Horses are NOT COUPLED. Betfair Non-Runner Rule
applies. Dead heat rules apply.

This market will be CLOSED at the off with unmatched bets cancelled once the
Betfair SP reconciliation process has been completed (if applicable).

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NOW .. I did not put the market close at the off in bold.

It is bolded on the betfair screen

in your best & most civil behaviour .. if you have the same info on your own screen .. then send this in an email to betfair and ask why they are NOT closing the market at the OFF

it appears to be their own rule ... so an opportunity exists for you to request an explanation or a change to the rules section on the page

good luck with it

I called them also.

They don't care about there customers at all.

I agree