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NewGuy@BF
15 Aug 15 23:02
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Don't we pay enough commissions to have these markets managed properly?
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Report Thebas August 15, 2015 11:24 PM BST
was there a horse in particular you wanted to back in that race NG ?

or just trying to trade on something

there were 3 other races actually clashing at that time at PEN, WO & LAD that might have had more going for it as a trader

at EMD it was a $12k very low end maiden with the meeting running 15 mins behind their post time race schedule

most runners were first starters and very little action happening

but there was plenty of time before the race (running very late) to back something if you wanted to I guess
Report NewGuy@BF August 15, 2015 11:47 PM BST
No there were not three other races clashing even if there was we have 16years of not closing the race early because three races are clashing.

Running behind scheduled off times is not a reason for early suspension for the second time.



Why is there a need to repeatedly post falsehoods defending the current market mismanagement?
Report NewGuy@BF August 15, 2015 11:53 PM BST
yes it was a maiden race full of inexperienced horses-

which races do you think the behavior around the gate is most important?

maiden races full of inexperienced racers or other races full of experienced horses?


yes there was not much going on at the time of suspension-so why on all planet earth was it suspended?
to insure nothing would be going on at anytime in regards to that race?
Report Thebas August 16, 2015 12:09 AM BST
even if there was we have 16years of not closing the race early because three races are clashing

come on NG .. lol .. even you have admitted that things changed 3 months ago 

we now appear to have traders manageing the markets ... and this appears to have caused issue with the traders betting/laying the markets

the tradeable dollar left dwelling is now in a dogfight between those running the market and those trading the market

the only winners are the punters who can obtain great value at present 9with the value factoring in such issues as horses playing up, jockeys scratching their noses as the gates fly open , and a myriad of other thaings that happen at the start of a horse race)


... but I wish I had seen this thread earlier .. looking over the EMD race I see the eventual winner at big odds had a recent work at the track that saw it improve 3 sec (about 15 lengths) on its previous hitouts

I may now look in on the lowly maidens to see if there is more punting opportunities there than I first envisioned

of course I will get my bets on between the 5min and 2min mark before post-time to ensure I don't miss the boat  Wink


lighten up and adjust NG ... it's three months now ... and pretty sure after a poster put up a short BF reply to his email that "what we got is what we got"
Report NewGuy@BF August 16, 2015 12:20 AM BST
the avg matched at Saratoga so far is less than half of what it was last year.

the only bettors getting value are the seeders who get fills from the mugs on stuff like from the first race at Saratoga-

fav 3.15-3.65 at the off minutes before the actual off-

at 2-5mins to schedule post there was not enough in the market to fill a car with petrol.
Report Thebas August 16, 2015 12:26 AM BST
when you are trading $10,000 to win $10 it must seem like hell

but WHO is going to give you the trades you want .. when traders apparently are now running the markets

razor wants the markets open right til the jump .. so he can escape a trade on a "play up" horse at the gates

but WHO is going to let him escape that bet .. YOU

the punters are all set and happy & waiting .. their move is over

the traders managing the market will also be trying to escape "that horse" you would imagine

so WHO is going to let him escape his bet ?


time to adjust guys .. its hell but its reality
Report NewGuy@BF August 16, 2015 12:28 AM BST
so all of these long time players and posters are complaining about bets that they cannot even get filled if they wanted to-

is that actually what you believe?
Report Thebas August 16, 2015 12:31 AM BST
long term traders it seems

punters punt and say next race please

waiting and complaining that the race doesn't bet and waiting till the very last moment to push the button is yesterdays moves

the trader-managers running the market have gazumped traders here .. leaving only punters and managers it seems

there is still value .. that's a fact
Report pmbets August 16, 2015 3:09 AM BST
Betfair is spinning out of control.
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