MONDAY RACING US

Penn R3 be very disappointed if 6 doesn't take this

Looks like market is expecting the 1

4 Med win max place pig race 3

there is the 100/1 shot

Penn National always seems to throw up random winners whenever i bet on it, horrid track for me leaving it well alone in future

Here we go again less than vigorous ride or positioning early on the 4 hmmm

Onwards Mnr v small value win and place the 2

You'd be gutted to be on it at 10's even though you won...!

wd on the place gov and good evening

Evening genius is it just me and you that only like Penn

Seems to be, I'm use to belonging to small select groups, you...?

penn selections?

PID 7

3 at pid for me gl

loner was my middle name as a child now double barrelled as a loner loser

surely not gov

Does every favourite generally win at Prisle Downs?

Only when you don't back them swagger...!

ha fair. I've watched the last three races, only bet on the 3 in the last race and think every fav has won

5 4 3 res at pid
time for bed
gl all with the rest of your bets

My sons thought my christian name was Billy until they were old enough to read for themselves, they heard it from my wife so often...!

Last bet for me on this casino nonsense, between the 2 and 8 at MP in the next, what do people think?

I thought 1 and 7 were worth a decent bet at the odds penn

2 and 4 smell nice at Pig win and place the pair 4's odds imo are silly

Grass so no wager for me, my picks were 4 & 10, gl all

Stand corrected peg am  Married so that strictly doesn't make me a total loner, however loser well yep double barrelled loser loser

Gd times genius my children are going to school with all sorts of phrases sayings etc

Remember a particular UK race where my eldest asked me why I wanted to stick another horse over the rail, bit over zealous that commentary from me

10 and 4 mnr win and place

Gone with the 8 at MP

wd gov
cork hope you done it

wd gov, perhaps I need to rethink my no wagering on grass philosophy...!

wd swagger

Only track i do ok on is MP, well i will take the small loss from pretty brainless betting on other tracks

PID 6

If you want to know which horses to lay on the other tracks then just ask what i'm backing

Well done all winners at Penn (Gov etc).

Does my old pal Book still post on here or did you actually go to the purple site?

Well done Cork also at Penn

Genius agree I rarely played the turf races often messy and not always guaranteed the pace etc etc

However my approach to picking horses has been refined over the years so now I play them a bit more

4 in that race was like finding a precious £1 coin and magnifying it into a near enough lovely **** and hen

cheers swagger, book plays purple now I think, occasionally pops on here with a post, but not very often

wd swagger at mnr.

Reckon laying mine from 2000 - 2010 would have allowed you a pick of any European country. I stank worse than a skunk

Still you lose and learn now I smell slightly better

OK good to know thanks Cork. Another winning fav at PD, glad i left that race!

I only ever bet on American racing if i am a little hacked off after betting on English racing and think i deserved a bit better from what i got that day so i sometimes bet on American racing to nick a bit of money. To be honest i always either win a couple of hundred or lose a couple of hundred - I don't do any better or worse so on the face of it, it would appear completely pointless for me but sometimes when i do win a couple of hundred i will have a bit more on a horse i fancy at say Kempton which will go in at 8/1+ so the momemtum swing is good. The bonus is when i lose on the American racing i don't let it reduce my stakes the next day on English racing.

Sounds like you guys make pretty good money from it. The only track i get a bit of a feel for is MP, it's probably because i like racecourses which have a bit of a shady history!

Turf Paradise is my favourite, i actually make a decent profit on that but nobody else likes it! I also like Tampa Bay Downs, Angel Serpa on the turf track is different gear

Swagger to win on UK is really good

I don't really have the time to make it pay. Though you can take rules from the American racing and reapply and make some good returns

Have had the odd gd news story at Lingfield and Wolves from this.

US more in suiting for me work young family allows me to stay up late and study a bit and maybe sometimes win.

Penn selections?

Unfortunately Swagger, you can't win on here until you have lost, unless you are extremely fortunate or working with a marked card, pays to be selective on the US racing by concentrating on certain tracks that you get a feel for.

Takes time but is worth the wait and the work, doesn't suit everyone, some people can play many tracks and still work a profit, for me though I prefer a few tracks to work from, Penn being No 1 for me, together with MP/Chas, and I'm not averse to cherry picking races when the odds look in my favour.

Fair Governor. I always lose money at Penn, Charles Town, Sunland Park, PD etc try to avoid all those tracks. I do ok at MP, Turf Paradise and Tampa Bay. I used to do really well at Woodbine but have done my brains there the last few times so have left that track as well!

1a small win and place pig

4 and 9 mnr win and place

I agree CL, i think in order to make ok money from betting on American racing you need to know more about the tracks, jockeys, the market, the form etc all of which i don't - i primarily go on the market and the vibe about the prices so i generally back horses priced between 2/1-5/1 and don't bet massive so i just try and win a bit of stake money for English racing. I think Kempton is a great track to bet on in England.

PID 5 at 10ish

PID R7 laid the 4 backed 1 & 2, gl all

4-1 PID

Something of a disaster, towf was right, I really shouldn't play there...!!!

Swagger spin it round what do you do well on UK Racing

Apply that logic to US racing you probably wouldn't be that far off the mark

Genius (Cork) is the only person at Penn that seems to have a real gd grasp of the track. Am convinced as he picks plenty of horses that I fancy he has a ratio which say only 50% is down to current speed form etc.

Could be wrong

As for PID Genius tricky track.

Think you have to kinda throw away the good habits built up at mnr and penn and adopt a slop mentality which isn't ideal.

Could probably make money there but cba to pay more money on form be losing my nights profits paying for racecards

Can't beat that secret ingredient we all rely on gov, gut instinct, have missed playing regularly, you certainly realise how important it is to see all the races a couple of times, when you start picking without having seen any, just little things you can make note of that no form guide will ever tell you, can make all the difference.

Yes i agree you have to almost pay to lose a load of money first before you start making profits. Also agree abuot Gut Instinct when you just know a horse will win, it's like being in the zone in the matrix when you have everything covered (like form, track, going, distance, jockey, market etc) without needing to look, those are the best bets

MP4

MP R4 hard to assess with 2 & 8 making debuts, feel drawn to the 1a, AJ should be on to advise whether to play it or not, where is he tonight...?
With 3 places gone with 1a mostly place, gl all

disgusting race at mnr small play on the 2 and 8 horse win and place

Ask Ommmadon is a classic example have hardly bet the horse each time I wallop it it wins and at monster odds

Bless the 2 horse in all my time watching Pig I have seen this horse come to win a few races and dog it.

Finally he wins his 2nd race out of 49

wd genius at mnr

cheers gov, good old AJ...!

Well done Corky

Gd lad for a bluenose AJ

cheers swagger, good thing about this forum gov, lost a lot of people in the last couple of years, but thankfully those that remain are all decent posters, longtime since we have had a regular stalker or nuisance poster (hopefully that won't be the green light for one to come on board...!)

v trappy race at mnr

8 is now a value price and have played this to try and smash out and make all

Have played the 3 and 6 in combos with the 8 at mnr exactas trifectas

MP awful race, 8 looks vulnerable, but what else is there...?

wd gov looks a gift horse now...!

2 at pig med win max place have also played the 6 who could do with a little patience early

So much bl00dy speed on in this race though somebody needs to use a brain cell

Penn pace should give 2 a chance, gl all

Agree cork had reservations on the 8 and at tote odds nah but he was lone speed and had the best times at 2/1 plus it was a win bet.

Could easily have walked off course lame after 3f though

Cora not too bad usually but most of these jockeys don't think this was another classic example of that

bad from me and worse from Cora, felt sure he'd sit behind the pace

MP laid the 6 backed 2 & 5 gl all

All horses had speed setting profiles just he is usually a bit more astute cora that is.

Onwards 6 and 4 for me at mnr

More on 4 to place than win tho

wd gov, very painful here...!

penn fancies?

Aye sorry genius

Thought 4 was given an interesting ride got bottled up down backstretch and ran on well down stretch

As for pig am sweet on the 5 win and place at pig

For what it's worth i will put up a few selections i like for Kempton, i'm not saying to back them but just to have them here and we can go through how badly or well i did! Last time i put up the Paul Cole horse Thachit who to be fair was hammered by the Hannon hotpot.

In the 6.30 I think it's between Dukes Delight and Hermosa Vaquera, both been well supported in the market in the past, both 3 year olds so get the weight for age benefit which I think is healthy this time of the year and importantly I think they will both improve for the step up in trip. They are pretty obvious selections, the market will tell me more nearer the race. I can see the Lanigan horse (Dukes Delight) getting overbacked again which would make the Chapple-Hyam horse of more appeal or they could start closer to joint favs which would make Dukes Delight of more appeal.

I think Stoute's horse, Festival Theatre is potentially smart so would side with him in the 7.05

In the 8.00 Miss Tiger Lily is a real fighter and only does enough to win. Her sire Verglas has a good record at Kempton and I would expect her to win again.

Purely from a handicapping perspective, with the 7 lbs claimer Tim Clark riding, who i think is capable, in the 8.30 Equitania is going to be a huge price around 14/1+. Missed the break last time at Ascot but had run ok at Newmarket the time before. This is a step down in grade. I don't like the Gosden horse Ferjaan, not sure about Agerzem and Badr Al Badoor so will take a chance on Alan Baileys horse.

Finally in the 21.00 i have been waiting for Camache Queen to hit the right note and with the booking of Richard Hughes, she could easily exploit her favourable handicap mark tomorrow. Currently around 12/1 I would expect her to get well backed if that is the case.

Just a few bits and pieces. I like a few on wednesday so even if i draw a blank tomorrow i will put up wednesdays food for thoughts!

Night and good luck all

Penn a race with no obvious pace, plumped for 1 & 3, gl all

Well done Corky with the forecast. Now i must get some shut eye, good luck all

Good old betfair av of 3/1 for that...!

cheers swagger, will have a butchers at those tomorrow morning, gn & gl

cheers swag will look out for them tomorrow

gd work genius at pig

cheers gov, helped repair the damage I did at PID & MP earlier...!

MP rowing in with the 9 horse, did me a few favours at Hawthorne, is tenacious on the lead when in the mood, hopefully will be tonight, gl all

7 and 5 win and place mnr

backed 5 as well, pacing up and down without a lead horse, anxious to get on with it...?

will be demoted anyway, so glad it got beaten...!

Penn views?

playing the rags at pig 2 and 4 win and place

Penn hoping the girls mess each other up on the pace, covered 2/3/4/5 but 1 should win easily if Kaylia sits behind the pace for a while

Should of just boxed up the odd numbers...!

wish I hadn't seen any even numbers what bonkers fractions early doors

I'd like to say they'll get better with experience but very much doubt it, same thing this time next year...!!!

big dutch 4 and 9 mnr win and place

Right I'm off to pick the Mrs and her boozy friends up, gn & gl gov (and anyone else still playing)

agree genius

Gd stamina Mrs Cork

cheers genius gd luck with all the women