The Little Brown Jug

Hello Mr Q 
Maybe all these thousands of fans emailing ATR are the late night crew as it would seem after 11 pm  every night of
the week chariot racing takes centre stage on ATR .  Why we have to be burdened with this garbage every night of the
week is beyond me . Like you I have no time for the chariots and I can honestly say I would rather watch paint dry .

The answer to your query jas has been posted on the forum before several times in the past by none other than my good friend the Canadian. Harness racing in the evening *IS* where more horse racing gambling liquidity is to be found in the US and it dwarfs by several multiples the amount of money traded on here. So ATR is catering to their US customers, not the few punters trading the US markets on here. It's a US feed that comes into the UK, not one specifically tailored for Betfair.

I suspect if someone like Bluenose would have originally posted that answer, you'd probably would have stopped asking the same question over and over again by now.

What are you doing on here anyhow, aren't you supposed to be over at Purple?

I thought it was a feed just for europe?
That is what they used to say on the racing channel about the trni feed.

Someone on the channel used to say the germans and dutch loved the chariots

Sure to be a fascinating renewal anyway

The feed is a US feed. Germans and Dutch "loving" chariots has nothing to do with it, Americans wagering on them has everything to do with it.

You are correct fawwon.

Big Bd John for me.

Here's another chap who abandoned in disgust to go over to Purple but hangs around here like a bad case of acne on a teenager. Winning that last £800 or whatever the cushion was must be tougher than I thought

Do you actually bet on american racing as you dont seem to have any facts correct in your post or did you call your "friend" for the wrong info?

When does your tag team partners ban finish btw? I miss that photo.

Is this another "betfair deal" moment for you Bluenose?

Im not good at cryptic crosswords

Let me give you a hint then, you must have been busy trading over at Purple and missed this. Please don't tell me you got your facts all mixed up, that we would bring my world crashing down.

YOUR POST

Bluenose     Joined: 07 Nov 00
Replies: 3617 28 Aug 11 17:19 
Highly unlikely after the deal with the California racing board to legalize exchange wagering from May next year.


MY RESPONSE

Menelaus     Joined: 03 Feb 05
Replies: 1064 29 Aug 11 18:14 
Discovering on occasion a post by one of the "old timers" on here is like watching a Romulan bird-of-pray de-cloaking right in front of your eyes :-)

Question for Bluenose: Can you please shed some light on the "deal with California racing board" you mention in your post? I've been following Betfair's efforts to enter the US market closely with a lot of interest and I'm not aware of any approved deals that legalize exchange betting nor that Betfair will be the chosen platform if that day ever arrives, so your comment leaves me confused. TYIA.

Since legalizing exchange betting would require changing Federal statues, wouldn't any plans to implement exchange betting in California by May 2012 (at the earliest) is beyond the control of the State legislature and the California Horse Racing Board, no? Perhaps one of the Betfair managers can provide an explanation as I'm sure a lot of punters on here would be interested in knowing.

oic now you have given me a clue

So you think Betfair drop all California racing because all of a sudden it isnt commercially viable? Ok you must be right.

I know you like changing subjects of threads and ive answered you there but this is about the little brown jug so you can answer me about your incorrect post now please? I'll give you a clue.
Harness racing in the evening *IS* where more horse racing gambling liquidity is to be found in the US and it dwarfs by several multiples the amount of money traded on here. So ATR is catering to their US customers, not the few punters trading the US markets on here.

No need wet yourself.
I'm saying what the presenters of the show used to say.
It is not a physical drama.

Menelaus
“ . . . Harness racing in the evening *IS* where more horse racing gambling liquidity is to be found in the US and it dwarfs by several multiples the amount of money traded on here . . . “

It is not exactly capturing the imagination on Betfair looking on the pittance matched on the event so far. There’s been more money matched on here on the Next Countdown Presenter Market.

If the tracks I bet on were as dead after getting one tenth of the publicity I wouldn’t expect Betfair to cover them. Maybe Harness racing fans are like those who like porn – they don’t mind watching but don’t want to take part in the show!

Harness racing may be popular Stateside but over here not really.

I can’t speak for our American or Canadian cousins but for most of us on this side of the pond harness racing is as welcome as a fart in a swimming pool. Let’s face it, a lot of weird and wonderful events are very popular in America. I remember 40,000 being in a stadium to watch a dog catch a Frisbee and you can’t get a seat for love nor money at The World Hot Dog Eating Championships.

Its a myth that its popular in america. Average win pool handle is about $2k and an odds on shot in 90% of races.

Harness steeplechases and I'm in

I'm not changing subject anything. But you when you post rubbish and someone calls you on it you.......disappear.

Your post was wrong on so many different levels, it was laughable. First of all the Cal. Racing Brd. has NO AUTHORITY to legalize anything. Only the State Legislature can do that, and if there's a Federal Statue involved only the US Congress can do that by approval of both sides of the House.

Like many other things you have posted over time on here, stringing some words together into sentences sprinkled by some "intelligent" buzz words don't make what you are saying factual nor right.

THE FEED IS A US FEED. Like always.....FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Sorry, I got carried away there, please do carry on. It must be awfully difficult for you trading on Purple but posting on Betfair at the same time, you don't need the distraction. See you (I'm sure) about....

You string together long sentences but you havent answered the questions i asked?

Bluenose Joined: 07 Nov 00
Replies: 3621 22 Sep 11 21:49 
Its a myth that its popular in america. Average win pool handle is about $2k and an odds on shot in 90% of races.



Hmmmm, another gem from our high priest. Well, speaking for myself, if you say so then it must be thus, I believe, I believe

Even the trni website says their broadcast is for uk and europe

Colonial race 10 off 9.24
Pool Total: 2215 891 659

Freehold race 11 off 9.14
Pool Total: 3454 1276 569

Monticello race 13 off 9.53
Pool Total: 4245 1689 720

Thats the last race at 3 meetings on today. Total in Win, place and show combined under $16k. This *IS* where its at alright.

Dont want to get into arguments with the tag team but if Menelaus says ATR is catering to its US customers(?) he must be right fawwon so we'll leave it at that.

@ fawwon

Yes, fawwon, I admit I was wrong. The broadcast is specially tailored for those frugal Germans and animal loving Dutch who just love chariot racing and not the American gambler. My bad.

FOLLOW THE MONEY FFS


@ Bluenose

Betfair dropped California because they were about to be sued if they didn't (and yes, not disturbing the waters when they are very actively lobbying to get into Cal. was also a major factor). Unless Betfair executives wanted to get walked off the plane in handcuffs by the FBI at JFK in their visits to the financial capital of the world, then stopping Cal with a no brainer. THERE ARE HUGE ISSUES TO OVERCOME YET but I've yet to meet a politician who doesn't love money, so there's still hope.

Well sayed

Bluenose, if your sample sizes are always as big as the ones you posted to arrive at your conclusions and drive you point home, it can easily explain some of your misguided comments over time.

Seriously, some of your chaps need to go back to the drawing board.

Was that the main event that 6 runner bollocks?

I've just wet my pants with excitement after the 1st semi final

Show me some big samples and i will admit i am wrong.
Tonight is the big harness event and they get a big crowd and the whole of america betting. $42k in the win pool for the last race.
Last years 19 race card featured 17 odds on favs and total handle of $1.3M with a 48,000 crowd at the track and the whole of america pumping the pools. Just taking those at the track is an average bet of about 80 pence per race. If this *IS* where its at then they can keep it.
You need to stop listening and as Nick says "dont be a canadian".

were you on Big Bad John Mr Q?

It may have been like finding money in the street at 1.60 Blue ... if I had any idea what I was betting on.

I just went for the name.

The next race there's two 8/5 shots plus a 5/2 so not a Betfair type race

Roll with joe for the double

The driver of Joe's has done a Chucky Lopez

shelling peas this harness business
im all in for the final exacta big bad joe and roll with joe
should pay at least evens

Harness racing is made for lottaluck

Bluenose, trust me I have a lot of better things to do with my time than to try and "disprove" the nonsense that get's posted on here, especially the ones thinly veiled as "sophisticated". I know you are trying to impress me with numbers and stats but you are looking in the wrong direction. Tonight (afternoon in the US by the way and hence the event competes with the thoroughbred venues) is a big time event as far as tradition goes, not in terms of liquidity. Get your facts straight by looking at the Meadowlands, W/E, Yonkers and some other big venues for chariot racing at the height of the racing season.

But before you do that, you can start by growing up a little.

only a bag of sand matched on that heat on Betfair. 'They' must have had it on 'offshore'

Vegas imo Mr Q

They had it off in the dutch offices

Sorry Menelaus I thought talking nonsense was your job.

On a serious note, the 2nd semi was run in much faster interior fractions and the similar final time.

Blunose, you can rest assure that if talking nonsense was my job, then I'd be the one posting about "deals" in Cal., racing boards "legalizing" exchange betting, and average handles of 2K in chariot racing, not you.

Give some thought to that growing up bit. It'll make you a better person.

Life is too short

Do you actually bet on american racing as you dont seem to have any facts correct in your post or did you call your "friend" for the wrong info?

When does your tag team partners ban finish btw? I miss that photo.


Thanks for the info and congratulations on your big score. Im getting into PID and Albuquerque now so I'll check back later for the answers. Good luck in the jug.

You're not ready yet, I can tell. It takes time. Good luck to you too.

I miss these 'TC vs The World' moments...

Sure Lord, I'll add you to the list of another dozen or so lemmings on here who think I'm the Canadian. No harm done at this point.

That's quite okay TC. I've been called a lemming by more cretinous people than you in the past. (And I've been called an idiot by far more cretinous people than you in the last two days alone!)

It sounds to me that you need to re-examine what you are posting that's earning you those unflattering labels by those cretinous people. I don't follow your posts, you are part of the red-eye late late evening crowd, so I have no idea what you posted to earn you the idiot epithet. In my case however, since you continue to call me T/C even after trying to point out your mistake, the lemming label is fully deserved. I would also suggest some honest internal retrospection choosing to call others cretinous when you yourself insist on continuing to post massive stupidity, with a decidedly exaggerated sense of self worth if I may add. Perhaps it would have been a lot easier if I too called you an idiot and left it at that.

That was a very serious and in-depth response to my joshing. Perhaps you're not TC. He would at least have insulted me with a little bit of humour!

And I'm not sure somebody with an exaggerated sense of self worth would casually offer the remark that they had been called an idiot in the last two days!

cant wait for next year