zenyatta

tommorow night m8 at oaklawn park

cheers m8

Oaklawn Park - April 9, 2010
Race 10 - 6:25 PM First Half Late Daily Double / Exacta / 50 Cent Trifecta
STAKES

Apple Blossom Invitational H. (Grade I)
Purse $500,000. For Fillies And Mares, Four Years Old And Upward. One And One Eighth Miles.
P# PP Horse Virtual
Stable A/S Med Jockey Wgt Trainer M/L
1 1 Be Fair (FL) 4/F L C H Borel 120 D W Lukas 8/1
2 2 Taptam (TX) 5/M L M C Berry 117 W B Calhoun 10/1
3 3 War Echo (KY) 4/F L S Bridgmohan 120 S M Asmussen 7/2
4 4 Zenyatta (KY) 6/M L* M E Smith 123 J A Shirreffs 3/5
5 5 Just Jenda (KY) 4/F L T J Thompson 120 C Jones 3/1
Owners: 1 - Westrock Stables, LLC (Scott T. & Joe T. Ford); 2 - Wayne Sanders & Larry Hirsch; 3 - Winchell Thoroughbreds LLC (Ron & Joan Winchell); 4 - Jerome S. and Ann Holbrook Moss; 5 - J. Larry & Cindy Jones
Breeders: 1 - Milan Kosanovich; 2 - Wayne R. Sanders; 3 - Winchell Thoroughbreds, LLC; 4 - Maverick Production, Limited; 5 - Lavin Bloodstock Services, Inc

Can we bet?

April 8, 2010
Part Rockette, Zenyatta Steals the Show


INGLEWOOD, Calif.

yea all the oaklawn races are up

live stream on drf.com...starting 1/2 hr before the race

anyone got any links for this other then the 1 below

IS IT A BIRD..IS IT A PLANE NO ITS ZENYATTAAAAAAAAAA

whens she gonna face some decent horses instead of no hopers!!its boring!

beat a bunch of ponies

i agree!!shes not as great as everyone thinks imo!some of the european horses wud murder here

*her*!

i like to see her against quality road!

she should come over for royal ascot

There isn't a horse anywhere capable of beating her at 9-10f trip....Quality Road, are you having a laugh?

are u kidding, hes already post a higher speed figure!!she beats absolute dogs in joke grade 1 contests ffs!!she get absolutely destroyed by rip van winkle in europe!syntethic racing gimmer a breat, get a real surface!twice over finshed within 2 lengths of her, thats how bad she is!!when is she gonna face a good horse?quality would beat her!

how can she do any more.as soon as horse wins a few big ones here packed off to stud.if the connections of sea the stars were really interested in the racing public they would have run him again at 4..his owner has more money than he could spend in 50 lifetimes yet pack him off to stud before he even reaches maturity.zenyatta now 6 y.o. unbeaten in 15 races.You certainly cannot put sea the stars in the same league.neither can you put the connections in the same league.

Zenyatta's style of racing dictates that she'll never win by a street. She only takes the lead inside the last firlong/half a furlong and as soon as she hits the front her big ears flap forward and she just crusies to the line. Therefore beating Twice Over 2 lengths is irrelevent; fact is, if there was another horse 10 lengths ahead of that she'd pick that up too.

It is laughable that you could have RVW beating her after she gave him a 20 length start and a 30 length beating. Tell you what; keep laying her and I'll keep backing her. When she does call it a day at the end of this season, another BC Classic in the bag, I know who'll be better off.

its the breeders cup mate, o briens horses never run well!rips 2nd to sts in the coral eclipse would've beat her!!youll never take my money, im too shrewwwwwwwwd!!!she beats dogs ALMOST every race!breeders cup classic is the ONLY time shes faced good (ish) horses!just look at the 2nd placed horse TAPTAM lol ffs, WTF 9th of 11 then 9th of 9! aahahahahahaha

O'Brien's horses never run well at the BC......have you been sniffing glue?

For a man whose horse 'never run well' as you state.......O'Brien has had 3 BC winners and 11 BC seconds. Not bad at all I'd say!!

He was 1 winner in the last decade.

well if YOU think that was the rip van winkle that finished 2nd to sea the stars, youre the one sniffing glue ffs! are u having a laugh!!she beat trees at the weekend as already stated lol LOOK AT THE 2ND'S FORM!thats american G1s for ya!! lol gimme a break!!!

I don't doubt that Zenyatta is beating trees, infact I have always considered RVW to be a bit of a dodgepot. But beat them she has, 100% of the time, and you can do no more than that.

Infact, the same can be said of Sea The Stars in that he beat the same mules (RVW and the other O'Brien one pacer who was murdered at the BC) many times. Much the same as Zenyatta though, you can't fault Sea The Stars for this.

All you can do is run in the most valuable races and if the oppo fails to show who can you level the blame at? The horse that keeps winning or the guys that fail to show?

Trainer John Shirreffs will recommend that brilliant American filly Zenyatta is sent to last years all-conquering Irish colt Sea The Stars when her racing career finishes this season.

While Ascots ambitious attempt to woo her to their Royal meeting in June is doomed, the chances of her following Arc winner Zarkava to a mating with the colt, who won six Group Ones last season when trained by John Oxx, are much better.
Shirreffs said last night:

Guys

wavingatbuses is just one other SAD old Pr. ick who has never backed the mighty, the great, the fantastic Ms Zenyatta - these knobs who have probably layed it time and time again and lost think that by knocking her (and the legions who back her) it will help lessen their complete stupidity and ignorance of horse racing in general and in particular in the US.
I have witnessed the great lady win at Santa Anita two years on the trot - she truly is a living legend - and more to the point she can only beat who ever is put in front of her - that she does with consummate ease - she will retire undefeated at the end of this year - my real worry is that she is a true freak of nature and may be infertile (possibly why the Moss's choose to keep racing her?).

Long live the Queen - Fu.ck Off sad knockers!

zenyatta will destroy all europeans usa all the way

MickInGoldersGreen 14 Apr 12:09
Guys

wavingatbuses is just one other SAD old Pr. ick who has never backed the mighty, the great, the fantastic Ms Zenyatta - these knobs who have probably layed it time and time again and lost think that by knocking her (and the legions who back her) it will help lessen their complete stupidity and ignorance of horse racing in general and in particular in the US.
I have witnessed the great lady win at Santa Anita two years on the trot - she truly is a living legend - and more to the point she can only beat who ever is put in front of her - that she does with consummate ease - she will retire undefeated at the end of this year - my real worry is that she is a true freak of nature and may be infertile (possibly why the Moss's choose to keep racing her?).

Long live the Queen - Fu.ck Off sad knockers!


nah u dont get my money:) wouldnt touch races in the U.S of course she'll retire unbeaten, shes racing TAMTAM again LOL

You are showing yourself up somewhat.....she has beaten what she has faced, she can do no more than that. And by the way, she has faced and beaten your Champion Stakes winner and the superstar that is Rip Van Winkle. What else can she do? Would you prefer her to take on Binocular over hurdles of Kauto Star over fences to prove her worth?

Nice point and well put Browns - I am wondering why the Sado wavingatbuses is posting on a US horse racing forum given the fact that he does not waste his time with US racing......????

Maybe go back to backing dogs you fool.

surprise surprise, a brownes gazette / mickingold love in LOL try to take ur nose out of brownes a$$ at some stage will ya mick, jesus!

sea the stars is my champion stakes winner, im irish!!!end of season for rip and the rest of the european horses, never gonna perform to their max in a different country, on a strange surface at the end of a long season, hence the reason sea the stars didnt go, arc far more prestigious meeting!!american horses also running on lasix ffs, gives them further advantage!!horses arent on a level playing field!!its just a bonous meeting for europeans to get in on the wind down of their own season, not as important to us as to the yank...ers!

taptam is a decent marker i suppose!! LOL well done zenyatta, cant wait to see u beat handicappers next time out!!maybe if u brought some of your superstars to europe, u might see how good they really are, but americans rarely do, other than sprinters!!dont forget to back zenyatta next time, what'll she be 1.20? lol

dogs?its the americans that race on dirt lol stick to baseball and leave horse racing to the people that know it best, good lads!!

cya :D

and as for 'our champion stakes winner' LOL twice over is probably the worst g1 winner of last season, just look how far rip beat him in the eclipse, thats their real form, your just making ur argument weaker mentioning twice over!!now, thats me done,!!im over u, ill watch zenyatta win her next handicap and think of u 2 pillow biters fondly!!!!

oh ONE more thing, im not a knocker, i love that a horse remains unbeaten but its the hype thats unbearable, beats trees everytime, just look at her sp's to know that!!!

fff

mmm

USA: The brilliant Zenyatta will stay at home in California for her next outing for a Grade1 event against fillies at Hollywood Park in June rather than shipping across country for the Stephen Foster Handicap at Churchill Downs in Kentucky.


bravo lads bravo!! another 1/12 shot, v competitive!!

wavingatbuses.............Why don't you just go and Fc.UK right off - your anti Zenyatta stance is getting on every one's T.its by now - if you have nothing constructive or sensible to say then pls say noute...

secondly you keep saying you don't bother with US racing so Eff away off onto another thread and pi.SS those people off.

Finally make sure you come back on here on 30th Oct 2010 when zenyatta runs in the BC classic again and give us your well articulated analysis of a horse racing.

In the mean time if I happen to see you whilst driving my bus i'll make sure i drive over your fc.uking head.

lol now theres no need for that mike, little harsh but ill forgive u!!i want to see zenyatta succeed and will all of her races but she accomplishes nothing running in another handicap, aganist inferior horses who are giving her weight! and to think she was actually mentioned in the same breath as sea the stars, gimme a break!!

Ilikewavingatbuses........now now young man....If I remember rightly you said that you'd give up if my prediction of a Dunguib place lay at the Punchestown Festival came off.....it did, yet you are now on here winding people up about the invincible Zenyatta.....behave!

Ultimately Zenyatta will turn up again at the Breeders Cup Classic.....that is where all the top ones should be testing their metal. Granted, it is at the end of a long season for the Europeans, but an even longer one for Zenyatta. This is where the best of the best will prove themselves....at least hopefully. I firmly believe whoever turns up Zenyatta will just mow them doen.

This cautious approach cost her horse of the year last year. Winning on BC day is not enough. Plain and simple, she has to show up against males on dirt and beat them. Which means she has to show up at Saratoga in the summer or Belmont in the fall. Her connections know that and are trying to keep her fresh until then hence the decision to avoid taking on males in the Stephen Foster this early in the racing year. Only time will prove if they've chosen the right path. One thing is clear though, she can skirt the question for only so long.

She has already answered the question...she won last year's BC Classic. Which super colt do you want her to face?

Blame

Canadian: She already retired with nothing to prove, in my opinion....this is all a bonus. I agree, given the right pace scenario she might have trouble with someone like Quality Road or whoever....but I think she has done enough and would satisfied if this is all a victory lap against fillies all year until Churchill for the Classic.

markeypd, you may be satisfied but those who vote for horse of the year aren't. She wants to lay claim to horse of the year, never mind the best distaff ever, she needs to beat males on dirt. End of story.

yah..in the classic.

not enough

ever owned a horse? I have. Its enough.

she has it all to prove!!winning the bcc yes it was a good performance but even that race wasnt that strong, the best european horse never travelled on the ground and twice over is a a g1 horse only in name, hes just not that good, but yes she beat him!!why are connections contesting these micky mouse handicaps where she get s weight from inferior horses, look at her sp's ffs!!again TAPTAM who is TAPTAM, look at that horses form, and that was a G1 what a joke!!she should be contesting in races with the best horses in the country everytime she races, WHY FACE FAR INFERIOR HORSES ALL THE TIME?

again i think shes a fantastic mare never beaten, its remarkable but personally i feel her connections are always lookin to take the easy route!when is she gonna race the best on dirt?turf? the BCC is not the PINNACLE achievement for a horse, its a new competition for gods sake, europeans treat it as an after thought!!and its always gonna be more difficult for europeans having to travel and race on a different surface than what they are normally used to, re rip van winkle!!!eitherway way, thats the trainers decision to run there!!its about time zenyatta face some decent horses instead of geeting weight from inferior ones!!!level weights against good horses, is that too much to ask?

markeypd 27 Apr 18:20
ever owned a horse? I have. Its enough.

a horse????

How about a stable? Chances are you bet on some of my runners at WDB (Sid Attard trainer) and most certainly you have bet on my horses if you follow harness racing (Cassie Coleman, Joe Stutzman, Chris Christoforou trainers)

Nice try.

Cool. I kinda figured, Canadian. :) Anyways.....wavingatbuses..... I don;t think its true that Europeans connectionstreat it as an afterthought...mayhbe punters do? Sure, if they lose they use that as an excuse. If they win, they are proud as punch.

no of course some will have in on the agenda, its a valuable prize but where it is with regard to the european season, few rarely primed and 100% ready for the race!!theyve already peaked imo!!!!

More sh1te from wavingatbuses.......He is telling us that AoB sends his horses as an after-thought to the BC.......as do the connections of Goldikova (Head and Wertheimer penciled the BC as the principal target for last year and it is this year's main goal too) - how about Stoute/Conduit, just another after-thought two years on the trot? John Gosden, Noseda and Meehan send out their runners 'cos they are bored and want a sunny break in California...???

The reason many trainers from europe haven't gone in the past is 'DIRT' - our horses find too more difficult to adapt to this - Santa Anita's pro-ride surface neutralised the disadvantage felt by many european trainers so they went. They will in all likelihood not be rushing back this year since it is back on traditional dirt at CD - though it will be interesting to see what develops.

AoB has for many years sent his top horses with little success - think jo'burg was his last winner? He has also lost one or two (fatalities) on the dirt - 2007 at monmouth I believe he lost one?

So since there is too much at stake here it cant possibly be an after thought - these guys are at the top of their game and don't take gambles with their charges - they are very well measured plans/considerations.

could not agree with you more, Mick. One other thing I would add is that people tend to complain about 'lasix'. or just more vaguely 'drugs' when they discuss our North American racing - but what they fail to acknowledge is that RVW, Mastercraftsman, Goldikova - et al - also use lasix when they are here. No disadvantage. There was a French filly - Choc Ice - that a trainer sent here (Fabre??) to Canada.... Could not beat listed company in France..... was running against some of the best Euros in the EP Taylor at Woodbine. Was 38-1, and looked to have no chance...... I looked at the form, and realized it had been 'bleeding' in France, and Fabre had enlsited here in the lasix program for the race I lumped on, and it won by 4 lengths at 38-1.

didn't want to bring up the dreaded 'L' word mark ! But it is interesting to note that BOTH Goldikova and Conduit used it in 2009 but NOT in 2008 - Made No difference to the outcome, they both won impressively each time - I may be wrong about one of these so please feel free to enlighten me!

youre wrong MARKEY, only MAN OF IRON used lasix, funny how that was their only winner!!sure there all pumped up to their gills on drugs over there, its a joke!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/nov/09/obrien-rejects-lasix-breeders-cup

conduit and goldikoa are different mick as trainers state early in the season that they will be planning their season towards the bcc!!eitherway, this is a zenyatta thread and she will yet again give weight to inferior horses!!what a joke!!!f ucking TAPTAM, bravo Zenyatta bravo, u beat TAPTAM, what a great horse u are!!!

No one said she's not a great runner.

BUT

If she's to lay claim the honor of the best distaff ever (I won't even dignify the claim by some of her fans that she's the best ever period by discussing it because I think it's ridiculous) she has to do more than win over a bad bunch of fillies and mares over a synthetic surface....again.....and again...and again. Not wanting to take anything away from her BC win but it was over a synthetic surface beating over the top euros and a Gio Ponti more suited to grass and about 1/8 mile shorter trip.

She has to beat handicap horses on dirt. And she's gotta go find them at Saratoga or Belmont. End of story.

Zenyatta is not even the best horse around NOW. And def not the best mare ever. She's the most consistent and well-managed horse in a long time, though. Funny how waving keeps on going on about this taptam. Its like saying Sea the Stars beat some ** horse that came 14th in the Guineas. its not a very relevant point you are harping on about there, frankly

im refering to taptam because you would think at this stage in her career she would be contesting in races that a full of proven group form, not only is taptam not a group horse but a maiden at that, and that was her most recent race!!the thing with STS is that not only did he contest the best G1 races in europe and win every one of them, almost every other horse in behind him had won other G1's that he didnt contest in thus upholding the form!!even horses finishing 20L back won group races!!id be disapointed if he decided to take on inferior opposition after winning the guineas or the derby because its important to see how good he really is!!thats my point with Zenyatta, shes obviously very good, its just so disappointing shes contesting in races where she is such a short price fav and theres nothing in the field that can remotely give her a race!! where are all the good horses??

Calling Ilikewavingatbuses......you must have been impressed by that yesterday. Don't start crabbing the form saying the runner up was just an all-weather horse in the UK, it has improved out of all recognition as demonstrated by its US form. To give them 9lbs and quicken past a quickening horse like that was staggering.

Fantastic horse of which we are all priveledged to witness.

hey guys...i was not impressed by Z's win yesturday. Think she'll be beat next time out, especially if races against the boys...where and what race is she due to run in next please?

Sorry, to be clear, her win was good, timed to perfection and 17/17 is fantastic...but if another horse steals a march, she may not have the uummmppphhhhh to catch it next time.

Anyone agree/disagree?

brownes i never said she wasnt a fantastic mere!!any horse that can go through its entire life racing other horses and remain unbeaten is extremely rare!!i applaud her consistency!!

HOWEVER and im not saying this as a kind of european horses are better than american because i dont think that at all, i just find in zenyattas case, the word great is thrown around alot, best ever mere etc...but imo i feel she still has to go on to the next level! i always judge a horse by what its beat and what those horses have achieved (like most no doubt)..i kno she beat rvw and the rest in the BCC but rvw beat twice over 16L in the eclipse so i cant accept in that instance that she beat a rvw that ran to his true form, hw could it be the same rvw??if he'd had finished 1L behind after appearing to run his race i would have been far more satisfied and then accepted the result!!

on form she beat the no 1 turf horse in the us (imo) in gio ponti and twice over who appeared to run his race, possibly career best, and imo thats just not great form judging by what they have done in their lives!i know she'll never streak away and win by half the track but i thought she made hard work of that last night,mike gave her many back handers in the final straight and she definitely needed every one of them , it was pleasing she got by at the line but she did open at 1/5 fav over there so thats the least you'd expect surely?? and lets face it, st trinians has obviously improved but the horse isnt a world beater by any means, i kno she was getting weight but still....!

i just feel if u look back at all of zenyattas races, how many TRULY BRILLIANT horses has she  beat? imo not many!

im delighted she won and was a pretty decent price on here b4 the off, suprisingly was about 1.70 just b4 the off!i kno rachels connections backed down and theres nothing she can do about that, i just feel she has more to prove against the boys and i wanna see her beat quality rd who imo is prob the most exciting  horse in america at the moment!i dont think im being unreasonable wanting to see her face the absolute best horses that are available to race because if rvw or sts or any other european was doing the same id be critising them too!!

as said i dont crab her performances, i think shes brilliant to have won 17/17 what more can she do but win whats in front of her, i just feel she beats poor horses far too often and i just want to see her truly tested thats all!!i mean the 'best ever' is thrown around on a regular basis and yet shes not even facing the best horses in her own country! (i was TRYING  to be nice and have a civilised debate there )