The Chicago Plan

You're kiddin', yes?

You're asking if anyone on here has read and has a view on a highly technical economic 50+ page long paper when most days on here the trolls have trouble comprehending pretty basic three line posts and can't add 2 and 2 together without getting it wrong.

And yes, please indulge me as I'm real anxious to hear, post your own views when you finally get around to getting your "head around it" because although posting "eg, preventing banks from creating money as debt by "the extraordinary privilege that is not enjoyed by any other type of business" has a certain sex appeal about it, I'm afraid the devil is in the details.

What's the over/under that this thread (although has all the basis for a very intelligent debate) dies after a three posts? I'll take the under.

I don't belittle every other poster like you do. This is not a new theory. People will have come across it before. If you don't have anything worthwhile to add on this thread there are others to chose from.

Good job this is a post it forum because Melly wouldn't be able to get his words out if he had to take his balls out of his mouth prior to speaking.

I don't belittle posters, I belittle stupidity. Big difference.

As for you, show me more than cut and paste sh1t from the Telegraph and post a personal VIEW rather than hide behind "I have not got my head around it yet", "anyone got any views?".

CERCA TROVA but do it honestly.

BTW, I never said it was not a new theory, I have no idea where you read that in my post. The original theory is mandatory reading where I went to school......as was it's debunking. But I digress....

And right on cue, here comes the chap that I glued on this forum jumping out from behind the curtain.

It must have have felt like hell having to wait this long.

Stow_judge 23 Oct 12 20:00 
I don't belittle every other poster like you do. This is not a new theory. People will have come across it before. If you don't have anything worthwhile to add on this thread there are others to chose from.


I bet this is not what you had in mind



Eeternaloptimist 23 Oct 12 20:05 
Good job this is a post it forum because Melly wouldn't be able to get his words out if he had to take his balls out of his mouth prior to speaking.


Any others, perhaps his alter egos?

Poor Melly. Nearly everybody has stopped posting to him because he is such a cocck. Now all he has left is to get his fix by arguing with people who only come on this sorry forum to rattle his cage.

Master of the universe.

I have posted some personal views on some recent threads and do not copy & paste all the time. As I have told you before, I'm a scientist, not an economist.
I posted on the threads below.
Pension concern. Is this normal?
i want to invest 15k and dont want anymore exposure to equities, wheres best?
It's time you grew up & stopped attacking virtually everyone who posts on here.

Eeternaloptimist 23 Oct 12 20:30 
Poor Melly. Nearly everybody has stopped posting to him because he is such a cocck. Now all he has left is to get his fix by arguing with people who only come on this sorry forum to rattle his cage.



So let me get this straight, because I think I finally I got an answer out of you, the invisible hand that's got you by the balls glued to this forum is, by your own admission, an addiction to "only come to this sorry forum to rattle someone's cage".

I thought only psychopaths did that………oh, wait…...




P.S. I agree about the "sorry" forum part, if it's any consolation by the way. As long as no one else other than me on here calls you out and the two other aliases you post under for what you really are, a complete psychopath who ventured over here by mistake and got taken to school (as well as being stupid enough to allow yourself to be psychoanalyzed in full public view) and hence has since been hell bent in doing his out most to destroy this forum to match his depression and misery, it will be a "sorry" forum indeed. And oh by the way, congratulations on blowing by the 14,000 post marker like it wasn't even there. Looking forward to watching you melt-up to 15,000 with an assortment of psychopathic rants and raves.

@ Stow Judge

Stop building strawmen. I never said you never post personal views anywhere in my post. I did however found your post regarding this highly technical paper totally lacking INTELLECTUAL HONESTY.

Instead of attacking me for the opinion I openly expressed, you should have just responded by ELABORATING as to why you find the plan interesting. Following it up with MORE THOUGHTS once you had a chance to "get your head around it" would have been a big step in establishing some credibility on here that you can think for yourself beyond "cut & paste" which is mostly what I remember you doing.

I'm not attacking anyone, I'm attacking stupidity and psychopathic rants that have reduced what used to be an interesting forum to a cesspool. Surely, your "scientific" mind can get its head around that.

Take a read of the forum rules. If you persist in attacking me or others, I will have no option but to have you banned.

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More "cut & paste" to the rescue.

I think what you posted "re: The Chicago Plan" was INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST. If you consider this "attacking" someone and seek to earn someone a ban over that, yet you remain silent while horrid vile is posted on here day in day out that has nothing to do with economics, then you need to think carefully about labeling yourself as a scientist.

No one is forcing you to read my posts, if you don't like what I have to say, block me. Problem solved with just one easy click of the mouse. This way your regurgitation of someone else's flawed ideas that you cut & paste but you don't even seem to understand will be spared some honest critique.

Try and get your cowardly head around that.

Do you suggest I make up some Betfair forum rules?
You are the coward. You are rude, ignorant, insulting and patronising and this behavior is unacceptable.
I am no longer willing to put up with your continued outrageous behaviour and will be taking steps to ensure that you are banned.

Oh, the sweet irony.....

I don't know, just a wild guess on my part, but I sense that you have an exaggerated sense of self worth. Getting anything related on economics right might be a good start for you receiving confirmation.

In the meantime, I assure you I have no interest in commenting on the cut & paste nonsense you only seem to be able to post on here, so you can relax.

I suggest however that you also consider if you are willing to learn and take steps to see it happen. Other than that, all your other "steps" are only going to frustrate you even more and waste your time.

Melly

It has been pointed out to you many times by so many people that you are the problem. Just accept your unpopularity and allow yourself to grow. Let normal people post on the forum without fear of your inflated ego and it will once again flourish. All you need to do is leave but you can't because you have nowhere to go. All very sad really. In the meantime this place gets worse and your egomania continues to run out of control.

Let it go man and find yourself.

Speaking of irony:

If you consider this "attacking" someone and seek to earn someone a ban over that, yet you remain silent while horrid vile is posted on here day in day out that has nothing to do with economics, then you need to think carefully about labeling yourself as a scientist.

You are the problem.

Wow, you almost sound "normal" in that post, "wise" too.

Your profile has been posted all over this place. The evidence is irrefutable. You're good at assuming multiple personalities and posting as such on here but not that good, at least not for me. Clear glass is less transparent than the fake stuff you keep trying to sell on here. If you would only able to let reality slap you in the face every now and then you'd know that your shenanigans are simply a bad joke played..........on yourself.



BTW, remind me again, what keeps you here?

But you are wrong. I only ever post under one username. I know that for an absolute fact. What I also know for a fact is that you profess to be as sure of your assertions about me as you are of your predictions. Certainty is only any use if you are truly certain. Any other time and it can lead to hubris and a fall.

Nothing keeps me here. I come and go of my own volition. You are constantly on standby waiting to insult somebody. Anybody. What a sad life.

Oh wait, wait, wait, it just came to me why you still here:

Eeternaloptimist 23 Oct 12 20:30
........ only come on this sorry forum to rattle his cage.



And the self righteous "I don't understand it but I'll cut and paste it anyways" chap is outraged with my behavior. If hypocrisy came gold gilded some posters on here would be filthy rich.

As for denying posting under numerous monikers, I never cross the same bridge twice as my style is to always move forward.

The evidence was irrefutable and the analysis flawless....as usual.

You're deluding yourself....also as usual. Everyone knows, it's the "gold gilded" thing that keeps everyone silent

And the joke is still on you....as it always was. I know you can't tell because it's way past being funny anymore.

I for one find the posts by Menelaus interesting and educational. Clearly his understanding of macro economics is far superior to the majority (all?) other posters on here, sadly this does occasionally give rise to bouts of incredulity that we are not all so wisened! I know Stow_judge personally as a good guy, so the recent tete a tete is unfortunate as I'm pretty certain his original post was an attempt to start debate on a subject which he openly admitted to not understanding fully. The thread could have developed into a really interesting read, and educational for those of us wanting to learn.

Of all the posters on here I would be disappointed to see Menelaus stop posting as those are the most educational, no other poster digs as deep and posts on here.

Muqbil, thanks for your kind words.

I don't doubt what you say is true that you personally know S_J and he is a good guy. Being a good guy and having a tendency to overreact when feeling slighted are not mutually exclusive.  I really have no quarrel with the man other than I don't take kindly to guys who ride in here on a white horse with a holier than thou attitude and threatening me with "taking steps". I also show a compete disdain for hypocrites who pick and choose when to remember the forum rules while it is plain as daylight the forum is under incessant attack by a sick troll (literally !!!) whose only purpose for being here, by his own admission, is to get his kicks by trying to annoy. 

S_J has the option of blocking me, if he finds my posts not useful or constructive or even offensive, he should exercise it. No one is forced to read what I post on here.

The original post was disingenuous, I stand by my words. The posts are still all up and they speak for themselves. I also stand by my assessment that there's not a single poster on here who can go through the 50+ pages of the highly technical IMF report and understand the economic modelling behind the plan, least of all anyone without formal training in economics like S_J. So, I still don't get what exactly S_J expected to get his head around, if the report itself is beyond his ability to comprehend it in the first place. Intellectual dishonesty.

My view has been put up in a too long for its own good post on the other thread for all to see, for all to discard or critique or for all to learn or anything in between. What each reader does with it is a personal choice and I assure you none of the available choices would offend me. If they did, I wouldn't bother posting in the first place.

We've yet to see S_J's.

The basic problem of Menelaus' posts on here, is his argument that if we ( the small group of other posters on here) are not able to debunk them technically line by line, then they must be unconditionally correct.
This ignores the fact that clearly his views are not in the majority in the wider world of either theoretical or applied economics, where serious debates on these matters occur.
Furthermore if we ever deign to suggest that perhaps his views should be read as just one of many conflicting ones, then we are derided by him in the rudest personal manner possible.
I like reading his views.
I don't like, however, being told that if I don't unconditionally accept every conclusion he comes to, then I am a fool.
He can't get away this type of intellectual arrogance in the world of serious economic debate, and it seems to me that it must be some form of compensating reward or benefit to him to come on here to show off his knowledge and try to belittle other posters less economically literate. In doing this he seemingly totally ignores the fact that these same other posters have knowledge and skills in other areas where he is lacking ( or does he now everything about everything), but they don't belittle or hold that against him.
He's quite clearly an intellectual bully, and I suspect would, like most bullies, run a mile if and when truly challenged on his views.

"--( or does he know everything about everything ) --- "

@ 'BOTTY

Your posts have always said nothing and were of no value to anyone......that told me everything I wanted to know about your knowledge.

Your posts have always never went beyond the basic and lacked depth and substance.......that told me everything I wanted to know about your ability to analyze and reason.

Your posts have always displayed an inability to understand difficult or new concepts......that told me everything I wanted to know about your intellect.

Your posts have always been highly hypocritical......that told me everything I wanted to know about your character.

Your latest tirades tell me everything I want to know about your integrity.



Yes sir, "BOTTY, "FROGGY or any other name in between, everyone is like an open book here for those who know how to read the language of human behavior.

You must be in owe that volume of stuff I put up on here and all you can do is pretend you understand and repeat the same sh1t over and over again without being able to refute a single line. But that's okay, the good Lord didn't gift us all the same way. It's the total lack of character and integrity that defines you in my eyes, not your lower intellect.

Keep posting "white stuff", it will keep you busy and you'll stay out of trouble, because I suspect that real world has already mauled you over.

Give it a rest please Menelaus.
Or better still, surprise us all one day.
But I suppose pigs can fly.

Awe.....not owe !!!!

Phew, got away with that one before the usual suspects corrected me with glee In their eye

If you actual GOT what I posted, you'd be ashamed to show your face on here. You don't and you haven't so your back for more......white space.

Color me not surprised.

Your = you're

I have to ease up on the single malt this late.......LOL

I would suggest you ease up a bit on just more than the late hour booze.
You sound a little bit too stressed with everything surrounding you for my liking.
Waiting for the world to collapse in a heap as you tireslessly propound must not be good for the nerves I would think. That is, not if you have all your life savings and your professional reputation riding on it.
Maybe you should hedge your bets just a tiny bit ?
After all even the best of us get it wrong some of the time.
But you're not reading this, so whatever ( or do you sneak a peak every now and again, I wonder).

Fine As

I schooled the fool months ago and he knows it. He isn't the intellectual titan he would have you believe. He is a nihilistic nutter who actually seems to want the whole system to crash down so he can be proven right. Of course a very short time after being proven right he would be divested of everything he has by somebody bigger and stronger than him and he would be left crying in the street shouting through broken teeth at any passer by that he was right all along.

Anybody who thought about his insane ramblings for a minute would quickly walk to the other side of the road for fear of being drenched by his foam flecked rantings. What kind of fool would whoop and holler like a maniac when seeing a meteor hurtling towards earth after putting on a bet to win a million that the world was going to end?

Melly is that fool.

In fact the more you think about it the more his mad ravings sound like one of those repent your sins for the second coming is upon us nutters. Ask them when it is going to happen and you always get the same answer of "soon". Ask them today and it is "soon". Ask them tomorrow and it is "soon". In ten years it will be "soon" and in a hundred years it will be "soon".

Tomorrow is Melly's only friend because it never comes but it will always be soon.

EO
I certainly wouldn't have the temerity to say " I schooled the fool months ago and he knows it ".
That is most certainly waving a red flag in his face.
But somehow I think that you probably have the required debating skills to handle any resultant broadsides.
Best of.

I really only have one question.....how do you plan to get rid of the "Menelaus" I stenciled on your mind?


That goes for both of you actually but especially the visiting psychopath, the other chap is just passing time on here saying nothing. You figure out who is who.





Come on S_J

So there's no misunderstanding, the post was not directed at S_J, that much should be obvious. It was merely a gentle touch on the shoulder to see if he cared to comment on the continued abduction of the forum by trolls. Anyone who claims the moral high ground must first be seen walking it.

Fine As

The more you read his sad bewildered and bewildering ramblings the more you can see that he is a particularly windy one trick pony. Loud, brash and obnoxious but still a one trick pony. The only reason he hasn't crawled away with derision ringing in his ears is either because he has nowhere else to go or too thick skinned to bother. It isn't as if he is stupid but he is stupidly wedded to one way of looking at things and thus totally intransigent.

The short answer is.....you can't !

Menelaus keeps talking the this forum being abducted by trolls.
Is it trolling to state one'sopinion that whilst Menelaus is certainly not totally wrong in all that he posts on the current world economic difficulties, he is equally almost certainly not totally right.
There is just too much informed counter opinion out there from all degrees of commentators, from expert to amateur, for the bottom line conclusion of Menelaus that the world is irrevocably doomed, that the current monetary system was actually deliberately designed to fail, that the corrupt interests of a small protected cabal of bankers and politicians are deciding everything in their own selfish benefit, is unconditionally correct.
Forget about all the technical economic arguments, pro and con, being shouted incessantly by Menelaus and all the world's economists and politicians, and just focus on the common sense view that economics is not as much a acience as the experts would want it to be, and that history has proved that nobody has been able to predict successfully the outcome of future economic development in the exact manner that Menelaus is claiming to be able to do. It's not just about maths as he seems fond of saying. It is much more complex than that, being interwoven with all forms of social interconnectivity and resolve and creativity.
I find his dogmnatic and inflexible approach to all this as equally unintelligent as he seems to find my flexible, commonsense approach.

--keeps talking that this forum is being abducted by trolls "

Fine As

Totally agree. When it comes to the myriad ways in which different people will act and interract it is a fool who thinks he can predict the future using mere numbers. As this crisis has shown us there are all kinds of tangents which people can spin off at which opens up an infinite array of possibilities. Melly has shown he doesn't like people nor can he interact with them so he will remain wedded to his computer and calculator.