AAPL - is anyone paying attention?

Ouch.

Of course, I'm being silly. The LSE is a very good university. I just find Menelaus' pomposity a little difficult to stomach.

Puke then, and get me out of your system. Your dog would have enough brains to do that, but not you evidently.

Unfortunately puking is only a temporary solution.
It will not get rid of the disease.

As for me, I'd be more interested in knowing WHY you are NOW selling all of a sudden, when hardly a word was spoken from you while this stock fell 25pc from its highs, and while everything you EVER posted on this forum has displayed a misguided understanding on what was behind this stock's price movements - Menelaus

You are perfectly entitled to ask that question, Menelaus. To answer honestly, I was spooked by the 20% drop, and thought they would drop further. As twice happened before, my impeccable short-term timing turned the market and they started rising again.

The reason you are perfectly entitled to ask is in the first post of this thread, where you advise: If you are still holding AAPL, I'd consider getting out without any delay if I were you.  When the price was $340. So it is not inconceivable that the shares you sold then ended up in my hands: as such you are perfectly entitled to ask what I am doing with  your money. Bear in mind that the half I retain is worth almost as much the stock you sold.

Poor Menelaus.

The victories he wins in his head!

@ biscuits

Just a few thoughts for you mate:

1. You never owned a single share of Apple. Those who do certainly know what type of pension plan they pay into, they know what trading Qs is, they how how the markets work, when they open and close, and they certainly know the in and outs of the technology sector.

2. I must have missed your post where you actually posted you were buying the shares I was selling, point it out to me. Only ****tards feel full of themselves predicting the score of a Saturday afternoon football match the following Monday morning.

3. Indeed you "were spooked" because you are blissfully ignorant of all the issues I laid out in my long post. You were clueless why aapl was going up and you are equally clueless now when it's going down.

4. We all owe you a great deal of thanks on this forum. I mean where would we all be if you hadn't put up that insightful, full of analysis and detailed post "I sold half my apple shares this morning", on "yahoo financial services" nonetheless. You are a giant sir, personally I'm in complete awe of you (Your brain doesn't seem to be functional, I hope your sarcasm meter is)

1. Wrong. Calling someone a liar on an anonymous forum, without being able to back it up, is just diminishing. To you.

2. Of course I can't prove that the shares you sold ended up in my name. Equally, you can't deny that had you bought Apple shares when you started this thread, you would be 66% better off than you are now.

3. You have to cling to this delusion. While Apple shares doubled and doubled again, you were "winning" all along, because the hapless shareholders didn't know that their profits were simply due to the market "being asleep." The victories you win in your head!

4. I sold the shares through my stockbroker. I said only that I refer to yahoo online. Primitive, no doubt. Point is, I'm not a financial expert. That's why I use this forum. What's your excuse? You're all over this forum like a yeast infection, yet the only time you've made a call - you were so wrong we ended up feeling sorry for you.

@ the forum
Unfckinbelievable.
This is a social misfit at the zenith of his powers.
Truly awful, ugly stuff.
@ UB
Please don't respond to him.
You in your heart know exactly how all this went down. Be satisfied with that. It is more than enough.

FineAsFrogHair,

This is a gambling site, winners and losers abound.
Personally, I love what was said by won who won and lost more than all of us (anyone know whom I'm quoting?) : "I don't think God actually cares whether we win or lose."
Of course we mortals cannot be immune to fortune. But the pain must be so much more exquisite when you set yourself up as an "expert" in your field, and your job defines your life, and you're still such a loser, Menelaus.

Calling someone a liar on an anonymous forum, without being able to back it up

I'm still calling you a liar, and if you feel that the burden is on me to PROVE every lie that gets posted on here then you are thicker than I thought.

PROVE ME wrong, post a screenshot of your trade. You have a record of it you are telling the truth. None exits if you are lying.

PROVE that you are telling the truth or perhaps you think we should take your word for it……..JUST BECAUSE.


you can't deny that had you bought Apple shares when you started this thread, you would be 66% better off than you are now

Wow, I'm impressed, you can do kindergarten math. But you forgot that your childish math requires someone to "buy and hold". Only mugs like you do that.

Perhaps I bought BAC that I posted about and doubled my money, perhaps I bought sugar futures and tripled my money, perhaps I traded the daily volatility and quadrupled my money

Are you starting to get it, or shall I go on?

The victories you win in your head

The victories I win are in my bank account. My defeats are also in the same place. But I assure in either case I KNEW PRECISELY what I did right or what went wrong. Otherwise I'd be just a mug like you taking a random walk in a mine field……..and not knowing what pension plan I'm enrolled in.

I'm not a financial expert

No sh1t

the only time you've made a call

You think that because if any post doesn't contain the word "apple" while you fondle your iPad you're not paying attention.

I was shorting the AUD at 1.08 when every clown posting on here was shouting it was going to 1.10

I was shorting facebook when every clown posting on here was shouting it was going to $100

Many other calls too but it would all go over your head anyways




How much do you want to bet, you are going to wiggle, you are going to dance, you are going to throw temper tantrums but………we'll never see the screenshot of your phantom trade.

I'm waiting mug.

How much do I want to bet?

Any amount. if there's an interested third party who will hold both our stakes, come forward.

Agreed?

Poor Menelaus, the victories he wins in his head!

So he's the guy who sits out the dance, protecting his girlfriend's handbag and drink, while she gets swept off her feet but, he's the winner for sitting on his hands, because he understands why it's happening.

Menelaus truly is the foremost onanist of this forum.

Is that a dance, or a wiggle?

I accept your bet and, since you ask me how much, the stakes will be a token sum, £500, paid into the charity of the winner's choice by the loser, and verified by screenshot.

Agreed?

Oh, a wiggle....

No,
You challenged me, I accepted;
You asked how much, I told you.
Are we agreed?

Ah, it's a dance then, my bad.







Quit the theatrics and post a screenshot of the trade FFS if it exists, and stop hiding behind taking my words literally.

Does it exist? I'll admit only you know for sure. My belief that it doesn't is based on what I already posted.........MUGS WHO DON'T EVEN KNOW THEIR OWN PENSION PLAN DON'T OWN $700 STOCKS trading in markets that they know absolutely nothing about. Then again may be you married into money, or you got left a nice inheritance from an intelligent rich uncle you didn't even know you had and now you are trying your damnedest to squander it by playing the markets like it's a fruit machine.

Who fecking knows? The only thing I know for sure is that you are a clueless mug. No screenshot needed. Don't waste my fecking time.

Ah, it's a dance then, my bad.

Are you a Baltimore drug dealer?

I don't know mate, never been to Baltimore to be honest, is that what they do there? Or, should I ask your dog?

It's your affected ('my bad') speech that leads me to ask.

He must be that dopey Albino fella on Big Brother from a few years back. Blind as a bat and wanting to fight everyone.

Good to see you warming up Contrarian to enter the fray.
This forum desperately needs you( with your success on BF being pretty much beyond question and much admired by all) to try to pull this Menelaus character down a peg or two.

FAFH,

After all his bluster, I'm a bit disappointed by his lily-livered response to unitedbiscuit's challenge today.

menelaus 9:46 pm last night
I'm still calling you a liar...
How much do you want to  bet,

So do you want to retract? Or do you want to bet? Your current position is untenable.

I'll donate £50,000 to a charity of your choice if the trade exists.

Did your evasive maneuvers buy you enough time to photoshop something, or do you need more time?

Put up the screenshot.

Now that's a reply .
Come on UB, the ball's well and truly in your court now.

Melly

You need to learn to spell.

By the way do they have that much money in one Monopoly game or will you have to crack open a second?

It sure is going to be interesting if UB posts up his trade details.
After all, by my  understanding of the matter, he only has to have bought and sold one share for him to win the point.

Btw I do hope his charity of choice is going to be the Battersea dog home.
After he does seem to have a strange obsession with dog poo, and the integrity thereof.
He is in fact very perceptive on that point, as I am in fact a very dog-centric person.

"--After all he does seem---- "

@ biscuits

How much time does it take to photoshop a fake screenshot FFS???

I keep checking on here and all I see is more excuses.

Any 12 year old child using a 15 year old computer with a first generation photoshop program installed on it could have produced one in about 10 minutes FFS. Fake as sh1t, but produced one nonetheless. Yet here we are days later and......no screenshot.

Evidently not only you know sh1t about finance, you don't even know a 12 year old child that can help you. Or, is it how do deal with that nasty reference number that stopped you dead in your tracks?

Menelaus,

Are you coming to the Xmas dinner?

Contrarian2,

It's 5 o'clock somewhere.

Yeah, it's 6.30pm next Saturday (24th).

See the thread on General Betting.

http://community.betfair.com/go/forum/popupExtra?output_method=iframe

Sorry, that http link is just a generic one, I think.

See The Magician's thread on General Betting (General Betting Christmas dinner/drinks)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25563630/WadeR%20CN%20Apple%2015nov12.pdf

See link above, there's the proof.

A little too little too late I'm afraid, mate.

In the time that it took you to put this up (days), I could have photoshoped and posted a certificate from NASA identifying me as the first man on the moon a whole year ahead of Armstrong.

You should have put it up right away, instead of playing games, to be credible and believable, especially when there's obviously parts that were photoshoped out of the statement (assuming to protect your identity). I have no way of knowing that the statement was "doctored" in other ways, or in its entirety.


At any rate, if it's real (only you know for sure), who's your rich uncle who left you the inheritance anyways?

And yes, you should have sold the whole lot, not just half.

Come come Melly. You said it could be falsified in 10 minutes but you took the bet anyway and didn't state that it was time limited. A man of honour would pay up. A snivelling mangy cur would twist and obfuscate.

What will you do?

I'm expecting some more references to dog shhit.

You know allright Menelaus, you know now.


I'll donate £50,000 to a charity of your choice if the trade exists. - menelaus 10.23 last night.

I admire you for posting that, and you're right, a man's good name is worth any amount. "Who steals my purse steals trash, but if you jack my good name I lose my soul," to paraphrase Shakespeare. Of course, I don't want you to pay £50,000, that would be disproportionate (and what would you tell your wife) and I understand that you were in "keyboard warrior" mode at the time. You're forgiven that lapse. Pay £500 to the worthy charity SANE and post the evidence here (no rush, you can take a week).

biscuits, was the statement altered in ANY way? Yes, or no?

@ the "passing through" psychopath

How does it feel to start your day, everyday, by sniffing my balls?

My name and address was erased, otherwise the document is completely unaltered.
I refer you to an earlier response that you provoked from me, don't ever suppose that I think enough of you to lie to you.
Just pay up.

Really, "otherwise" everything is okay?

Would you accept payment from anyone who claimed he had just one counterfeit fiver in their pocket?

I don't think so.

It's a contract note from Rowan Dartington. If you need to make an utter fool of yourself, drop an email to John Scott tomorrow,identifying yourself Menelaus, and I'll give him permission to verify the trade.

There's only one way to protect your self-respect Menelaus, donate £500 to SANE by this time next week.

My self respect is intact mate, I'm not the one "erasing" but claiming "otherwise" everything is okay.

And no, you're not sending me on a merry-go-round just to get your kicks. Why is the burden on me to prove anything when you first attempt at offering proof was a fail?

I'll say it again, only you know if the trade or what you posted is real. Erasing and claiming "trust me everything else is okay" doesn't however embolden your case.

If it is real, I can only conclude what I already posted, that you somehow came into money. Clueless mugs like you are usually found lining up for soup at the Church mission, not trading the markets.

So you disown your own words. You can't stand behind them, so anything you have written before is rendered bogus, anything you write in the future cannot be taken at face value,your words mean nothing, because you crawl away from them under pressure. Your character must then impact on the real world, where you cannot be trusted in your professional nor in your personal life. You're hollow. Anything you post from here on out means nothing, because there's nothing behind the bluster.

Crawl away, you effusive onanist.

I've seen more backbone in a tin of sardines.

You made a very magnanimous victory offer UB.
Menelaus has just shown his true colours.
Nobody is really surprised by this outcome. Even ignoring the dishonoured bet, we have not even seen a hint of an apology from him for calling you a liar.
It would in truth have been more surprising if it hadn't all ended this way.
He's a shallow person with not a shred of decency in him.

You're busted on this thread Menelaus, you haven't got any honour, you haven't got any balls, you're exposed for the invertebrate onanist that you are.

PS Are you coming to the betfair Xmas do? If you do, I'll come too, and you will apologize supine on the carpet to me.

You ALTERED the statement that took you forever and a day to put up. That's makes everything you say and do beyond that point SUSPECT. Everything else you say beyond this point is eye wash. End of story.

And you can call me all the names you wish under the sun, that doesn't make you any less clueless.







@ white space trash : I have one halfwit sniffing my balls on here everyday, I don't need a second.

Was that simple enough for both of you to understand, or did I use too many words?

Yep we understand everything about you.
Perhaps the best analogy in the context of this thread, is that you are truly a  rotten apple.
Keep posting away.
You've been called out on a very basic point of honour, and you have failed miserably.
As you say, end of story.

Hmmmm, just as I thought, too many words for the pea brained white space numbskull.

A word of advice.
I think it would be in your best interests to try to let this thread die out soonest.

You ALTERED the statement that took you forever and a day to put up. That's makes everything you say and do beyond that point SUSPECT.

But, you've already acknowledged that he had to erase certain personal details. He's given you a perfectly reasonable option to verify that the trade is real, and yet you don't take it. Your reputation is in tatters.

Really? I acknowledged "he had to"? A little pressumptuous on your part, no?

He ALTERED it, that by definition makes it SUSPECT.

Would you accept a cheque from someone who admits the cheque has been altered in some way?

I don't think so. Why should I accept at face value anything this mug says?

The "reasonable option" entails me putting an effort into something it is the counterfeiters job to rectify and prove not mine.

Again, I hope that wasn't too many words.

But, given that you admit how simple it is to photoshop anything - even a few short time limit here would be pointless - the only way that you can possibly verify anything is to do what he has suggested (email the broker). You presumably have been aware of that all along, and so your original charity offer, if you were never prepared to do your part in convincing yourself of his veracity, was not honestly made.

BTW, it's 'presumptuous'. Perhaps stick to simpler words in future.

Thanks for pointing out the spelling mistake, at least it proves that you are not totally useless.

And WRONG, speed is of the essence when trying to prove something is genuine. He could have immediately posted that within minutes if not seconds, had it not required "alterations".

It's suspect, get over it, or go play some honest three card monte down the street if you are that naive.

No, the doctoring would take seconds. He's given you the only reasonable option to verify the claim. If you don't want to take it, and prefer to renege on your offer, I suggest you leave this forum for good and never come back.

Are you coming to the Christmas dinner?

If the irony was lost on you in my generous "offer", then you are thicker than I thought. Read my post again.....SLOWLY. Once the big delay set in, I knew what will get put up was subject to doctoring. I was right.

As far as you Xmas party question goes, I saw a man in a bowler hat this morning on the way to work.

Nope ? My good advice was ignored .
Well I suppose you are, after all, fully entitled to decide on the the length of, and how public or private, the funeral of your reputation is.
It's quite simple. You made a bet. You lost. You didn't pay up.
On a sports betting site that is the ultimate no-no.
I would suggest you seriously consider packing up and transferring your posting forays to another site, where your reputation is as yet unknown and trust in anything you say is intact. It isn't on here forever from this day on, that's for sure.

Oh FFS, someone please stop this numbskull , hlafitted POS who is obsessed on coming on top of all of my posts.

It's not having to tip toe through the sh1t he drops on here that's bothering me,  it's having to hold my nose all the time that gets me.

Come on Contrarian mate, you're slipping, I spelled halfwitted wrong FFS.

Oh FFS, someone please stop this numskull, halfwitted POS who is obsessed with being top dog.
( nice dog analogy put in there just for you ).
You can run Menelaus but you can't hide.
You obfuscate all you want, but the bottom line is that you've been exposed.
The emperor has no clothes.

"==You can obfuscate --- ".
Seeing that we're all becoming pedantic on here about typos etc.

Hmmmm, I need to think of another word, this chap passed the halfwitted marker long ago.

Contrarian
Have you yet noticed, as most of us others have on here, that Menelaus slips in the word " mate" when he losing arguments ?
Btw in response to your observation on his use of the phrase " my bad", I believe that is some sort of lame attempt for him to appear to be some sort of cool dude with street cred, or someting juvenile like that.

...looooong ago.

Menelaus
Have you ever taken a hint in your life ?.
Or perhaps I should ask have you ever recognized a hint in your life ?.
You're pretty much getting them from everyone on here.
You can't really be that insensitive, can you ?

feck, may be I have all wrong. May be it wasn't looooong ago, he was born that way.

I think you were certainly born your way.
Couldn't have been taught to you by any education system I'm aware of.

I can't see your posts you dumb feck, *that's* the whole point. I know you are p1ss1ng on my posts but I couldn't give a rats a$$ what you have to say.

You are talking to yourself.

Biscuits

You over value the knave. Ask him to donate what amounts to his true merit. That will be commensurate with what remains of his tattered honour. A penny should do it. Make sure they refund his change though. Fair is fair.

Only one question remains:

WHY?

chatlame will answer your question......oh, wait....

They can all now see you are butt naked. You thought you were the king. You are. The king of comedy.

One word.
Applegate.

Menelaus,

To be perfectly honest, when I read this yesterday:

I'll donate £50,000 to a charity of your choice if the trade exists.

I actually felt a fleeting moment of respect for you. I naively thought you were being honest.

As FAFH says, to welsh on a bet is really a cardinal sin on a person-to-person betting site.

Please have the decency to leave the forum.

Decency? Melly? Surely you jest sir.

He is clearly a man in crisis striking out indiscriminately like a wounded animal. Is there nobody who will take pity on this poor wretched specimen?

Contrarian3????

Who the feck are you??? Or, is your multiple personality disorder forcing you to keep forum names with the all primary numbers handy?



I know it's a challenge for you to read two lines in a post, but now that you read the first line, go back and read the second.

I come home to find that Menelaus is still encouraging all and sundry to dump their loathing inside him - I can hardly bear to read his humiliations anymore.

I'm surprised you are back this early. Surely you should be out spending Melly's 50 large irresponsibly?

It takes one special naive idiot to insist that although he doctored a part of a document, "trust me", the rest is okay.

No wonder fraud runs rampart out there with fools like this around.

There's no victory here, Eternaloptimist. Only one man's abasement.

You never did say, what's your dead uncle's name?

No Menelaus, I've already given you permission to check, and face the truth.


You poor onanist.

No mate, you had you chance to DELIVER and failed. Ask your slave, you know those who work for you to check, this chap knows the sun is out whenever he sees a shadow and doesn't need to check.

Menelaus really is a filthy skate, wiping the glycerine from his mouth and inviting yet more abuse from this forum.

Is it too late for him to redeem himself?

Well, the £500 donation to a worthy charity would negate most people's feelings about him...

Feck man, you either completely lost the plot or you are even more dimwitted than I originally thought.

YOU....ARE.....THE....ONE....who admitted the document was altered. What the feck?

Are you really *that* trusting in real life that I should believe you that "everything else is hunky dory". I have a few properties buried in Florida swampland I'd like to sell you.

You could check. But you won't. You're talking to youself now.

I don't take orders from anyone, least of all clueless mugs that only want to score points by sending me on a merry-go-round. And one more thing:

Well, the £500 donation to a worthy charity would negate most people's feelings about him...


Sorry, I didn't pick up on this the first time. YOU ARE FAR MORE DIMWITTED that I originally thought.

Does it look to you that I give a toss about the feelings of a clueless mug like you? How about the "passing through and I'll be on my way as soon as I stop bleeding" psychopath? May be you are thinking of all his aliases? Or, perhaps the white space halfwit whom I care so much about I blocked long ago and I consider his integrity to be worth less than dog sh1t? Is that what you meant? Oh no, wait, perhaps you meant the personality disorder guy posting under Contrarian 1,2,3 through infinity? Is that it?

Feck, you are hell of a naive fool.

It's truly sad to see you paint yourself into a corner like this Melly and then try to convince everybody that it was all part of your plan. You have been gutted like a fish. Even after the fisherman was kind enough to offer to throw you back into the water you insisted on being cut open. You're finished buddy. You can't seriously think there is any way back from this? Now I know how the guards must have felt watching the poor wretches who had been caught bang to rights still protesting their innocence as they were dragged to the gallows whilst staining their trousers and blubbing like bairns.

Have some dignity. Leave quietly. Hell leave noisily. Just leave.

Contrarian3????

Who the feck are you??? Or, is your multiple personality disorder forcing you to keep forum names with the all primary numbers handy?

I use a master/sub account structure.

Awesome.

I'll pass that bit of information on to Menelaus4 so we don't all get confused who is who on here.

Juvenile.
He obviously doesn't understand the betting requirements of the successful on here.