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Fedhater
22 Jun 10 12:33
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Unfortunately, I manage my finances responsibly. I have no debt whatsoever (unless you consider a mortgage to be a debt). I am in my mid-twenties and yet I have savings of £25K.In real terms the value of my savings has gone down over the past two years.

This is why I had decided to invest, in stable dividend paying shares.

The government and banks have been profligate, and now want to use our savings to cover their asses.

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By:
Dotchinite
When: 22 Jun 10 14:49
Its political. There are ten times as many people who are reckless and greedy than sensible ones like yourself so naturally politicians who want reelection pander to their needs.
By:
Fedhater
When: 22 Jun 10 17:32
I agree with you, but still can't accept a view/system which punishes me. The banks and politicans want us to always be in debt, only difference is they want it manageable.

Anytime there is a crisis caused due to profligacy, responsible people like me will always lose. There is no changing this bitter fact.
By:
billy hill
When: 22 Jun 10 18:34
?
By:
billy hill
When: 22 Jun 10 18:35
pay off mortgage.  don't punt 40% of your savings on BP.
By:
gatespeed
When: 23 Jun 10 10:33
unless you consider a mortgage to be a debt

sorry mate but yes, that is a debt... and your repayments on it are probably saving you more money that that what your missing out on in with your savings, with todays low interst rates.
By:
Flying_V
When: 23 Jun 10 10:36
We are punished because we have money.
By:
chisel
When: 23 Jun 10 11:55
Flying V

You are not being punished. In the longun the value of your pension, the value of your home, and shares etc will be higher BECAUSE interest rates are what they are.

Why be so concerned about losing a couple of % on your savings when the implications of stock market and house values crashing are so much greater.

House prices are up over 10% since rates were slashed, stock market (pensions etc) are also up 50% .. Why moan about a couple of % . Your money is safe and you have no debt. Just make teh most of being in a good financial position!! Laugh

A bit of advice.. You could invest your money in the stock market or in property. This is a bull market after all!
By:
Mrben
When: 24 Jun 10 01:51
savers are punished because govt world wide are moving to a form of socialist democracy.They want as many people as possible to struggle and therefore depend on the govt for their existance.The more you comply the more you are punished.
By:
Chilly the Dog
When: 24 Jun 10 11:45
money safe? lol.
By:
Sir Denis Eton-Hogg
When: 24 Jun 10 23:27
gatespeed is right - u are a mug fedhater. you are massively in debt (like most of us) and low interest rates are making u better off not worse
By:
Fedhater
When: 25 Jun 10 01:45
Low interest rates are unsustainable, when will that get into your heads!!
By:
Sir Denis Eton-Hogg
When: 25 Jun 10 17:05
thats another matter entirely u clown
By:
blackbarn
When: 25 Jun 10 21:25
Fedhater - to repeat what you have already been told, your best investment is to pay off your mortgage debt (leaving some short term/available cash for emergencies.
By:
munch man
When: 25 Jun 10 22:44
I agree with Fedhater. 

And to the man who said most are massively in debt, that is completely untrue.  There are more savers than borrowers in this country. This prudent majority are disgracefully being punished for the sins of the profligate few.
By:
mmg
When: 26 Jun 10 21:26
Fedhater/Munchman - it's not in the country's interest to have people saving at the moment. Saving sucks demand out of the economy, and the govt has at the same time decided to also suck demand by taxing more and spending less. Their hope is that the slack will be taken up by the private sector (i.e. you) so you've got to spend mate.

If you still have a mortgage, then pay it off - that's a no-brainer.
By:
Sir Denis Eton-Hogg
When: 26 Jun 10 23:06
fedhaters original gripe was that low interest rates were making him worse off. this is wrong as he has a mortgage. end of
By:
thecanadian
When: 27 Jun 10 02:08
There's a disconnect between the topic title "Why are savers penalized?" and the statement in the lead post "I have a mortgage". In this case it sounds like you ARE NOT being penalized. 

The general statement however "savers are being penalized" (ie, those without debts -including a mortgage- but rather just money in a savings account) is correct. In that case, savers ARE being penalized.
By:
gatespeed
When: 27 Jun 10 07:58
mmg - sometimes i wonder how the western coutries lost the balance of wealth in todays world and then i read posts like that...

Tell me mate... exactly why do we need more spending in our industrially weak service sector economies?? or is it that you just want the music to last for that little bit longer?
By:
thecanadian
When: 28 Jun 10 00:19
^^^^^^^

simple really, because without exponential growth in credit/money supply, the fiat monetary system collapses
By:
chisel
When: 28 Jun 10 12:45
End of story!
By:
gresty241
When: 28 Jul 10 12:41
i don't feel i'm being penalised cos i have no mortgage and have a fair amount of savings, not when i look around and see many of my friends struggling with debt who'd love to be in my position, i just think i'm very fortunate.
By:
chisel
When: 28 Jul 10 14:37
Fotunate and sensible!!

I am sure your friends are changing their lifestyles and trying to pay off their debt. Do you think it right that you are not getting rewarded for being sensible?
By:
JML
When: 28 Jul 10 14:51
Trying to get my connection between the last 2 posts.

struggling with dept = getting rewarded for being sensible.


I think you need a holiday Chisel,have you booked anything yet?

I've booked a week in Portland to have a closer look at the
Ocean Views development.
By:
JML
When: 28 Jul 10 14:52
Trying to get *the* connection
By:
chisel
When: 28 Jul 10 17:11
JML

I am unsure why you are struggling!! If you read gresty post which I was responding to , you would know what the connection was!!

And Yes, I do need a holiday, but not likely to go anywhere too exciting this year  !! Maybe Weston Super mare!
By:
Washington Irving
When: 28 Jul 10 18:05
I'd have thought everyday was a holiday in Bognor!?
By:
paddletoe
When: 28 Jul 10 18:21
For anyone interested i came across a very good savings account with santander. 5% gross variable with no fixed term limitations. Its called first home savers account and is not widely marketed. When i opened the account yesterday i was told i was the first person to do so in my branch.

Requirements are you must be under 35 and not have been a homeowners previously. You cant deposit £5,000 on opening the account and up to £300 each month thereafter.

The only other stipulation is that when you close the account you have a 5 minute chat with santanders mortgage advisor but this is only a technicality. Basically you can just say no thanks to any mortgage advise.
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 29 Jul 10 10:35
Dotchinite got it right in the first reply.
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