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up for know kid
24 Jun 09 15:21
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i have a 179k morgage with A&L at .75 above bank of england base rate , should i now**or ride ?
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Report TNTTUCK June 24, 2009 3:24 PM BST
All depends on what your loan to value is there are a few decent 5 and 10 year fixes around which I believe offer long term value.
Report mq June 25, 2009 5:04 PM BST
im on a 0.7 above too. I cant bring myself to**at 5% ! I will be letting mine ride. Good luck
Report up for know kid June 25, 2009 5:32 PM BST
saving £580 a month at moment so will ride for a while
Report jack12321 June 25, 2009 7:58 PM BST
I'd definitely** We're printing our way our of trouble and inflation will get out of control a couple of years from now, interest rates will have no choice but to be jacked up
Report Jim Hensen June 25, 2009 8:11 PM BST
the question is when will rates go up, (end of this year early next year for me), and how much will arrangement fees be at that point in time (becasue there will be a rush to get one).

A lot depends on how much your affected by the topside potential of SVR.

those riding it out now on ultra low rates, are some of the people who will be forced sellers at some point soon imo.
Report up for know kid July 10, 2009 3:58 PM BST
still dont no what to do !!!!
Report the big bossman July 10, 2009 4:25 PM BST
179k what you do for a liveing
Report Judge Roughneck July 10, 2009 4:28 PM BST
I'd be interested to know what people think I should do too.

I have 21 months left on a**@ 4.95% (it was a 5 year deal).

mortgage is 65k left on house worth approx 270k.

What rates are going to be available to**in 21 months time (I would probably look for another 5 years)
Report Shab July 10, 2009 5:55 PM BST
Check what raye you go onto after the lock-in period.

Mine has gone to .99% above BoE for life - so BoE interest rates would have to get to 6% before it would make sense to**
Report up for know kid July 11, 2009 12:17 PM BST
i work in the building game
Report Banwana July 11, 2009 1:11 PM BST
Stay where you are and use any additional money to reduce balance. BOE base rate isn't going anywhere until July 2010.
Report up for know kid July 12, 2009 5:55 AM BST
hope you are right ban
Report structuredbet July 12, 2009 8:12 PM BST
In the scheme of a 5-10Y trade it doesn't really matter if base rate stays low for another 6 or 12 months. What really matters is the GBP swaps rate evolution.

If UK base rates stay "low for long" the the market will likely perceive this as inflationary and factor in higher peak base rates down the curve. This will negatively impact longer term mortgage**rates.

My HBOS BOE+51bp comes off mid next year. I will seek the best 5Y**rate from Jan/Feb and look to lock it in ahead of mine moving to the SVR in anticipation of significantly higher rates. I don't discount a peak of 8%+ during that time-frame.

Look to reduce the LTV if you can ahead of remortgaging is always a good idea.
Report Walter Tull VC July 12, 2009 8:57 PM BST
The bank would like to get base rates to 2.5% assuming CPI is at the 2% target, but it could be 2011 before they achieve it. From their point of view base rates below CPI is not a situation they like. CPI will continue to fall for the rest of the year but when the VAT reduction is removed in January this will add around 1% to CPI. Swap rates will obviously rise but how high before choking demand is open to question.

The crude oil price is important but there is not going to be any pressure on wage inflation for a long time so I can't see where the inflation others fret about is going to come from for the next couple of years. Moreover, those expecting significantly higher base rates in the next few years are forgetting that the bank will be making more use of capital and reserve requirements to control the money supply, rather than the blunt tool of interest rates. Monetary policy in the future will be quite different compared to the past.
Report up for know kid August 6, 2009 6:15 PM BST
another month down
Report up for know kid January 7, 2010 7:21 AM GMT
looks loke this could be last month
Report chisel January 7, 2010 10:12 AM GMT
DEFINATELY Keep it as it is!

Best Trackers are now in excess of 2% over Bank rate , so you have a great deal. Even if Interest Rates go up you will still be paying less thanm Fixed rates, and there is no guarantee that Fixed rates will get more expensive even if rates increase

If I were you , I would pay extra off your mortgage. If you are willing to pay a Fixed at 4% you will be paying 2.8% above what you are paying now. That is an increase of over £400 per month. Why not arrange to uincrease your payment to A & L by the £400. That way you drastically reduce your mortgage balance quickly, and when rates do rise owe less money and pay less interest.

DEFIANATELY DO NOT GIVE UP THAT DEAL!!!
Report up for know kid January 7, 2010 6:24 PM GMT
thanks have been paying the exra money off for nearly a year, get my statement this month so will see how it has worked out
Report Mrben January 8, 2010 1:14 AM GMT
only**if rates will average higher over the fixed term than you are currently paying.ie if rates are now 5% fixed you need variable rates to average higher than 5% over the fixed term.Also consider that if the variable rate is lower than the fixed rate currently then you are paying lower interest on the highest amount.The highest amout of your loan being day 1.You will owe less in year 4 than year 1.
Only** rates higher than variable if you belive rate rises are imminent and there will be a run of rises.
I believe it is difficult to make a strong case for many rate rises in 2010.
Report up for know kid January 27, 2010 3:17 PM GMT
now they are telling us we are out of the s*it, will they start raising the boe ?
Report chisel January 27, 2010 4:08 PM GMT
Dont think so. GDP was 6% lower last year and we have just reported a 0.1% growth in Q4. I am not convinced we are out the woods.

Inflation is the worry, although any increases are hopefully viewed as short term spikes. Remember

Banks are not lending
Jobs are hard to come by
Wages are falling

Also remeber your mortgage deal is just 0.75% above base.If rates increase by 2% you will still be paing just 3.25%.!! That is way cheaper than any Fixed rate on offer. 2% rise in rates is a LONG LONG way off

Have faith my friend. You have a good deal. Keep overpaying and you will do alright
Report up for know kid January 29, 2010 5:52 PM GMT
thanks for your advise
Report up for know kid March 4, 2010 8:09 PM GMT
another month held, cant be many more or can there?
Report d13phe March 4, 2010 9:17 PM GMT
you only have to look at where long term mortgage rates are going (higher) to see where the banks think the market is heading

I would**personally to be on the safe side
Report chisel March 5, 2010 8:50 AM GMT
d13

PLEASE DO NOT BE RIDICULOUS!!!!!

I would**If I were paying 3.5% plus!!

Poster is paying 0.75% above base rate. Rates would need to increase by 3% before his tracker is worse value than a** There is no way that rates are going up 3% in the next two years, and even if they go up by 4% he will still only be paying 1% more than a Fixed rate.

Rates are NOT going up anytime soon. We have another 6 months of this at least , at which point I expect Inflation to be falling once more, and a serious chance of a double dip recession and deflation.Remember , nothing will be done to jeopardise a recovery, and when rates rise they will be raised slowly so that theiven time to recover, and we are given more chance to pay back the massive debt that we have as a Nation.
Report d13phe March 5, 2010 10:35 PM GMT
chisel

hate to tell you this as your a mortgage adviser (scary) but rates already have gone up pal

compare 5 yr fixed now from 12 months ago. They are significantly higher.

Even though deflation is a possibility, inflation is also a major threat.

dependent on the guys circumstances, he should be looking at affordability of scenarios and what he can afford.

if he can't afford the risk of rising rates then he should be sensible and**on something that is affordable and can give him piece of mind rather than taking a punt on the state of the economy. Who really know what is going to happen??

I hope you don't make these "ridiculous" comments about the world economy when your selling mortgages. I fear for your clients who could all be floating out to sea without an anchor :(
Report Bayes. March 5, 2010 11:31 PM GMT
d13phe:

I'm afraid that kind of reasoning is how the mortgage providers make their money. A**is really just an insurance policy and unless you have more information than the market, you are almost certainly paying over the odds for your "peace of mind". Invariably, the most EV+ route is to not take a**(although admittedly not the most risk free)
Report roastbeefrob March 6, 2010 11:00 AM GMT
one those two are talking sh*t but which one ? votes please
Report roastbeefrob March 6, 2010 11:00 AM GMT
hope it d13phe
Report roastbeefrob March 6, 2010 11:01 AM GMT
time will tell what odds no change next month
Report Bayes. March 6, 2010 6:12 PM GMT
And don't forget, interest rates have to AVERAGE more than your**over the term to be more expensive. A rise of 4% over the next two years (unless it happened almost immediately and in one go) would almost certainly cost you less than a**
Report The Investor March 7, 2010 12:34 PM GMT
Hey Bayes, how's it going?
Haven't seen you post for ages!
Report Bayes. March 7, 2010 2:06 PM GMT
Ban rescinded!
Report The Investor March 8, 2010 2:30 PM GMT
Great. Welcome back :)
Report Live4 March 9, 2010 12:22 PM GMT
Anyone worried about deflation should sell up their properties, stick their money in commodities (gold, silver, oil) and/or strong currencies (like Aussie Dollar, Rand, Swiss Franc or Norwegian Kroner).

Then when prices hit bottom go back into the market.
Report chisel March 9, 2010 2:42 PM GMT
D13

It is about risk!

Sitting on a Tracker 3% above the base rate is more risky than sitting on a mortgage .75% above base rate.

The point is that the risk is much lower for the poster, so he may as well sit tight.

No one ion their right mind would choose a 5 year Fixed which is over 5%. I was offereed a five year Fixed in November 2008 by Coventry at 3.99%. I turned it down because I have a Tracker 0.75% above the base rate. If someone offered me that deal now I would probably take it!!

The point is that timing is everything, and even if base rate goes up, it does not mean that Fixed rates will increase... Reasoning?? Well, if rates increase it means teh economy is improving and banks are going to be in better shape/more competition. When this situation arrises lending margins will be cut and Fixe drates could fall. I avise anyon e witha Tracker which is less than 2% higher than base rate to stay put for the time being. If you are paying between 2% and 3% above base rate I would consider Fixing, and for anyone paying a higher variable rate**now. 4 year Fixed at 4.84% is not bad value!
Report up for know kid March 9, 2010 6:38 PM GMT
cant change now so will have to ride my luck
Report up for know kid March 9, 2010 6:38 PM GMT
but if anyone sees a super deal let me no
Report chisel March 10, 2010 9:31 AM GMT
NIce 4 year Fixed rate out today at 4.49% with free legals and valuation. £999 arrangement fee added to the loan. This is the best medium/long term Fixed I have seen for a long time , and is 0.4% lower than before.

Personally I still THINK YOU are on a better deal, but of you really want security .....
Report up for know kid March 11, 2010 7:57 AM GMT
going to stick with what i got, thanks for youe help
Report up for know kid April 10, 2010 9:57 AM BST
another month well done BoE boys
Report G1_Jockey_4 April 12, 2010 3:31 PM BST
bet with bawls.

let it ride........but do pay off more as a result ;)
Report always-smiling May 3, 2010 10:40 AM BST
after election rates will raise 4% by end of year.
Report 56 May 3, 2010 4:22 PM BST
low interest rates for next 4 yrs
Report Splicer Keats May 3, 2010 4:47 PM BST
^ not possible when the imf come to the rescue ^
Report up for know kid May 7, 2010 1:07 PM BST
when is this months decision
Report always-smiling May 7, 2010 2:04 PM BST
end of next week
Mischief
Report up for know kid May 10, 2010 12:52 PM BST
yes another month
Report up for know kid May 12, 2010 7:28 PM BST
chisal how much longer ?
Report always-smiling May 21, 2010 4:46 PM BST
how much you payied off
Report up for know kid June 10, 2010 9:13 PM BST
yes another month [:D]
Report up for know kid July 11, 2010 9:39 AM BST
another month gone and hopefully no big raises in sight,  where chisel gone liked reading his views ?
Report Banwana July 11, 2010 11:23 AM BST
Will stay at 0.5 until spring 2011.
Report up for know kid July 12, 2010 7:06 PM BST
thanks for the advise and good to here your still around
Report up for know kid August 6, 2010 6:19 PM BST
next month could be harder but lets hope !!
Report always-smiling September 24, 2010 12:26 PM BST
Laughwot no update !!!!!!!!!!!
Report up for know kid October 2, 2010 10:44 AM BST
yes still happy
Report up for know kid October 11, 2010 9:50 AM BST
how long will this go on A&l keep sending me fixed rate deals but when it gos up how high do you think it will go ? any ideas ?
Report up for know kid November 13, 2010 8:49 AM GMT
keep it low mev, HappyHappyHappyHappyHappyHappyHappyHappyHappyHappy
Report up for know kid November 28, 2010 7:23 AM GMT
looks like we will see out thw newyear at the low rate Laugh
Report up for know kid December 12, 2010 3:31 PM GMT
fancy this is the last month [:(]
Report up for know kid December 17, 2010 6:44 AM GMT
all the media trying there best to scare the sh*t out of all those on varible rates.
Report up for know kid December 23, 2010 1:09 PM GMT
paul fishers comments about 5% are correct but still do not think it will reach that until summer 2012
Report up for know kid January 14, 2011 6:31 PM GMT
end of the road near now, any good deals out there
Report always-smiling January 30, 2011 6:33 PM GMT
the end is near if not this month next 100% if you need some help let me no and i will give you my views
Report up for know kid February 10, 2011 1:46 PM GMT
ANOTHER MONTH BITES THE DUST
Report Banwana February 10, 2011 7:30 PM GMT
We're getting close to the first small rise. In my opinion though, any rise will be a very minor increment ie a 0.25% increase. Additional rises should follow this pattern. Your still better off as you are now. Even if the BoE decided to increase by 1% (WHICH THEY NEVER WILL!) you are still ahead of all the best deals right now. Again, any spare money use it to reduce your borrowing.
Watching the banks scramble to change their rates after an increase should be interesting.
Report Banwana February 10, 2011 7:30 PM GMT
you are goddarn it
Report Banwana February 10, 2011 7:31 PM GMT
ie you're
My grammar is going down the pan the older i get Sad
Report always-smiling February 12, 2011 9:30 AM GMT
good luck my deal runs out in june, but been to the yorkshire but they are not temping me
Report up for know kid February 15, 2011 7:57 PM GMT
try chisel
Report up for know kid March 8, 2011 9:36 PM GMT
this week could be the end
Report up for know kid March 8, 2011 9:37 PM GMT
this week could be the end
Report up for know kid March 10, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
another month, but not all good news work looking rather gloom and doom Sadbut still got my health so lets keep smiling Blush
Report up for know kid April 10, 2011 7:13 PM BST
another month, but not all good news being put on notice Sad
Report always-smiling April 25, 2011 8:57 AM BST
at least you still have the low rate
Report always-smiling May 5, 2011 10:30 AM BST
hold it merv LaughHappy
Report up for know kid June 9, 2011 9:34 PM BST
great news LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report up for know kid June 16, 2011 2:11 PM BST
where is chisel these days ?
Report up for know kid August 6, 2011 11:58 AM BST
[:)]
Report up for know kid April 7, 2012 9:00 AM BST
still hanging in there
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