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G'day Mates! It's time for the first slam of the year and with it time for the new tennis season's first Mouse Trap Trophy. Snowynoon is the defending champion of both the men's and women's edition of the 2024 AO Mouse Trap Trophy.
Basic rules are very simple (no changes compared to the previous edition, so veterans need not read)
For each day of play, pick one player that you think will win their match. If your player wins, you advance to the next day and get to pick again. If your player loses, you are out. Each player can only be chosen once over the course of the tournament. The picks continue every day until only one person is left, everyone has been eliminated, or the tournament has finished. Each pick has to be submitted before the relevant match starts and once you've submitted the pick, you are stuck with it unless the match did not happen due to a prematch withdrawal. In that case you get to submit a new pick. That's the basic rules already.
Tiebreaker:
If multiple people go out on the same day and no-one remains, these last people to go out submit their best educated judgements regarding the outcome of the final match of the tournament - winner of the final, amount of sets lost by the winner, amount of games lost by the winner, points won by the winner. Judged also in that order. If both are the same in winner, then we go to sets. If both also had the same number of sets, then we go to games. If that's also still the same or the same difference to the actual number, then points won. That should hopefully always lead to a conclusion.
To enable that, those tiebreaker judgements will be sent to me per private message (or maybe X in some cases) instead of being publically announced in the thread. If the tiebreaker involves me, we'd have to find someone else who accepts the private messages, but I'm positive that will not be a problem.
At the end, glory, lots of forum cred, and an entry into the competition's Hall of Fame awaits the ultimate winner. The Hall of Fame can be found at:
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30945693/suicide-pool-winners-throughout-the-years
As with most things in life there are some corner cases. To read them, please click on the spoiler button below.
Spoiler: Show
Onto the cases:
Case: A pick I made became invalid because the match didn't happen due to a withdrawal. I have a life and don't sit on the computer all day to monitor such things, so wasn't able to submit a replacement pick. Am I screwed?
Decision: No, there is a backup solution. The last to start eligible favourite (I will use average odds on tennisexplorer.com) of the day is automatically entered for you. Eligible means player that had not been picked yet on a previous day.
Case: There was a retirement. Does the pick still count?
Decision: Yes, picks count the moment 1 ball has been played in the match.
Case: I looked at the wrong schedule and picked a player that doesn't even play. What now?
Decision: Please submit a new pick.
Case: A lot of matches were rescheduled for the next day due to rain. Can I pick from those on the new day?
Decision: No, rescheduled matches are not eligible to be picked from. If this situation arises, I will try to post a list of ineligible matches.
Case: I have the same amount of winning picks as someone else, but I ran out of picks whereas the other person was able to make another pick (which then lost). What happens?
Decision: The other person finishes ahead of you. Think of it this way. The moment you ran out of picks to make, you navigated your bicycle into a big mountain of dung. You are unharmed, but you cannot continue your ride on the bike. The other person only rode their bike into the pile of dung the moment their pick lost, which is a long time after you did it. Therefore the other person made it further and gets to finish ahead of you.
Case: I have a great suggestion for the comp. Am I allowed to tell you and others?
Decision: Sure, suggestions are always welcome!
Sunday start! So that's when the first pick will be required.
Basic rules are very simple (no changes compared to the previous edition, so veterans need not read)
For each day of play, pick one player that you think will win their match. If your player wins, you advance to the next day and get to pick again. If your player loses, you are out. Each player can only be chosen once over the course of the tournament. The picks continue every day until only one person is left, everyone has been eliminated, or the tournament has finished. Each pick has to be submitted before the relevant match starts and once you've submitted the pick, you are stuck with it unless the match did not happen due to a prematch withdrawal. In that case you get to submit a new pick. That's the basic rules already.
Tiebreaker:
If multiple people go out on the same day and no-one remains, these last people to go out submit their best educated judgements regarding the outcome of the final match of the tournament - winner of the final, amount of sets lost by the winner, amount of games lost by the winner, points won by the winner. Judged also in that order. If both are the same in winner, then we go to sets. If both also had the same number of sets, then we go to games. If that's also still the same or the same difference to the actual number, then points won. That should hopefully always lead to a conclusion.
To enable that, those tiebreaker judgements will be sent to me per private message (or maybe X in some cases) instead of being publically announced in the thread. If the tiebreaker involves me, we'd have to find someone else who accepts the private messages, but I'm positive that will not be a problem.
At the end, glory, lots of forum cred, and an entry into the competition's Hall of Fame awaits the ultimate winner. The Hall of Fame can be found at:
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30945693/suicide-pool-winners-throughout-the-years
As with most things in life there are some corner cases. To read them, please click on the spoiler button below.
Spoiler: Show
Onto the cases:
Case: A pick I made became invalid because the match didn't happen due to a withdrawal. I have a life and don't sit on the computer all day to monitor such things, so wasn't able to submit a replacement pick. Am I screwed?
Decision: No, there is a backup solution. The last to start eligible favourite (I will use average odds on tennisexplorer.com) of the day is automatically entered for you. Eligible means player that had not been picked yet on a previous day.
Case: There was a retirement. Does the pick still count?
Decision: Yes, picks count the moment 1 ball has been played in the match.
Case: I looked at the wrong schedule and picked a player that doesn't even play. What now?
Decision: Please submit a new pick.
Case: A lot of matches were rescheduled for the next day due to rain. Can I pick from those on the new day?
Decision: No, rescheduled matches are not eligible to be picked from. If this situation arises, I will try to post a list of ineligible matches.
Case: I have the same amount of winning picks as someone else, but I ran out of picks whereas the other person was able to make another pick (which then lost). What happens?
Decision: The other person finishes ahead of you. Think of it this way. The moment you ran out of picks to make, you navigated your bicycle into a big mountain of dung. You are unharmed, but you cannot continue your ride on the bike. The other person only rode their bike into the pile of dung the moment their pick lost, which is a long time after you did it. Therefore the other person made it further and gets to finish ahead of you.
Case: I have a great suggestion for the comp. Am I allowed to tell you and others?
Decision: Sure, suggestions are always welcome!
Sunday start! So that's when the first pick will be required.
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Which idiot put 2024 in that first paragraph?
In the first paragraph the use of 2024 is correct, you rascal.
Through to day 2:
edy - Fernandez
SamuelMertensBertens - Fernandez
snowynoon - Q. Zheng
wisewords - Vekic
Pending:
aaronh - Kostyuk
Blencathra - Potapova
GRANTCKING - Kostyuk
Newly out:
Bouzas Maneiro def. noTry (total tank)
edy - Fernandez
SamuelMertensBertens - Fernandez
snowynoon - Q. Zheng
wisewords - Vekic
Pending:
aaronh - Kostyuk
Blencathra - Potapova
GRANTCKING - Kostyuk
Newly out:
Bouzas Maneiro def. noTry (total tank)
A number of matches were cancelled today due to the extended rain delay. The following matches that were originally scheduled for day 1 are not eligible to be picked from for day 2. As a positive, if someone was late to the comp, they can choose from the following four matches as their day 1 pick. If anyone does that, please also submit a day 2 pick from the other matches that are scheduled for Monday. Similar goes for those whose picks are pending from day 1: You will need to make a day 2 pick as well.
The ineligible matches for day 2 are:
Hibino - Kostyuk
Niemeier - Chwalinska
Pavlyuchenkova - Yuan
Zidansek - Potapova
The ineligible matches for day 2 are:
Hibino - Kostyuk
Niemeier - Chwalinska
Pavlyuchenkova - Yuan
Zidansek - Potapova
snowynoon - Potapova is not an eligible day 2 pick (see my post at 12:52 PM GMT)
I forgot about this on Saturday but I see that, thanks to the rain, I can still catch up.
Day 1: Anastasia Potapova
Day 2: Viktoria Azarenka
Day 1: Anastasia Potapova
Day 2: Viktoria Azarenka
Would you guys believe me if I wrote that Sönmez was a caesar chiffre encryption of Uchijima and that the japanese player was in fact my pick?
that's a worse excuse than me picking Coric and then saying it was a typo and I meant Coria.
What choice do I have with there having been no Sünmez in action today?
Through to day 3:
aaronh - Kostyuk, Shnaider
Blencathra - Potapova, Svitolina
GRANTCKING - Kostyuk, Samsonova
SamuelMertensBertens - Fernandez, Muchova
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula
wisewords - Vekic, Collins
Freshly Out:
Bronzetti def. Anubis8 (but I was still happy to see you enter)
Gibson def. edy
aaronh - Kostyuk, Shnaider
Blencathra - Potapova, Svitolina
GRANTCKING - Kostyuk, Samsonova
SamuelMertensBertens - Fernandez, Muchova
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula
wisewords - Vekic, Collins
Freshly Out:
Bronzetti def. Anubis8 (but I was still happy to see you enter)
Gibson def. edy
Through to day 4:
aaronh - Kostyuk, Shnaider, Xiyu Wang
GRANTCKING - Kostyuk, Samsonova, Xiyu Yang
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina
Freshly Out:
Kovinic def. Blencathra, SamuelMertensBertens
aaronh - Kostyuk, Shnaider, Xiyu Wang
GRANTCKING - Kostyuk, Samsonova, Xiyu Yang
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina
Freshly Out:
Kovinic def. Blencathra, SamuelMertensBertens
Through to day 5:
aaronh - Kostyuk, Shnaider, Xiyu Wang, Badosa
GRANTCKING - Kostyuk, Samsonova, Xiyu Yang, Fernandez
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva, Tauson
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina, Bencic
aaronh - Kostyuk, Shnaider, Xiyu Wang, Badosa
GRANTCKING - Kostyuk, Samsonova, Xiyu Yang, Fernandez
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva, Tauson
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina, Bencic
Through to day 6:
aaronh - Kostyuk, Shnaider, Xiyu Wang, Badosa, Putintseva
GRANTCKING - Kostyuk, Samsonova, Xiyu Yang, Fernandez, Keys
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva, Tauson, Rybakina
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina, Bencic, Kasatkina
aaronh - Kostyuk, Shnaider, Xiyu Wang, Badosa, Putintseva
GRANTCKING - Kostyuk, Samsonova, Xiyu Yang, Fernandez, Keys
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva, Tauson, Rybakina
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina, Bencic, Kasatkina
Through to day 7:
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva, Tauson, Rybakina, Pavlyuchenkova
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina, Bencic, Kasatkina, Sabalenka
Freshly Out:
Danilovic def. aaronh, GRANTCKING
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva, Tauson, Rybakina, Pavlyuchenkova
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina, Bencic, Kasatkina, Sabalenka
Freshly Out:
Danilovic def. aaronh, GRANTCKING
Through to day 7:
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva, Tauson, Rybakina, Pavlyuchenkova, Keys
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina, Bencic, Kasatkina, Sabalenka, Keys
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva, Tauson, Rybakina, Pavlyuchenkova, Keys
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina, Bencic, Kasatkina, Sabalenka, Keys
Through to day 9:
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva, Tauson, Rybakina, Pavlyuchenkova, Keys, Sabalenka
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina, Bencic, Kasatkina, Sabalenka, Keys, Gauff
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva, Tauson, Rybakina, Pavlyuchenkova, Keys, Sabalenka
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina, Bencic, Kasatkina, Sabalenka, Keys, Gauff
Through to day 10:
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva, Tauson, Rybakina, Pavlyuchenkova, Keys, Sabalenka, Swiatek
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina, Bencic, Kasatkina, Sabalenka, Keys, Gauff, Swiatek
snowynoon - Q. Zheng, Pegula, E. Andreeva, Tauson, Rybakina, Pavlyuchenkova, Keys, Sabalenka, Swiatek
wisewords - Vekic, Collins, Rybakina, Bencic, Kasatkina, Sabalenka, Keys, Gauff, Swiatek
We do have a winner! Snowywoon fought hard, fought tough to defend their crown, but it was our historically fourth most successful contestant, wisewords, that added to their tally. With the title he charges to eight victories and is only one title away from drawing level with third place.
It also ends a drought that had started after an incredibly successful 2022 campaign for wisewords. A year in which our winner had collected three of their seven trophies up to this point. Including a triumph at the 2022 Australian Open Women's Singles.
Well done and congratulations, wisewords!
It also ends a drought that had started after an incredibly successful 2022 campaign for wisewords. A year in which our winner had collected three of their seven trophies up to this point. Including a triumph at the 2022 Australian Open Women's Singles.
Well done and congratulations, wisewords!
Well done wisewords,he outfoxed me .I knew he more or less had to pick Badosa ,so I picked Gauff to force a result really,though I never back her as think she's overrated.I even backed Badosa at 33s in the outright after making my pick! Anyway,well done again and thanks to Edy for the organising.
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