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TGMTEL
06 Aug 19 09:33
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I've noticed that matches involving the following players are not offered on the exchange:
Nedelko
Gabashvili
Any other ones?
And is it "allegedly" justified in both cases? Nedelko I've seen some very dodgy markets for so that doesn't surprise me. What about Gabashvili?
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Report TGMTEL August 7, 2019 10:21 AM BST
I see Gaba's match is on the exchange today. So a mistake today, a mistake yesterday (his 1st rd match wasn't offered) or do they just don't offer 1st round matches involving him?
Report doridoru August 7, 2019 2:17 PM BST
Nice fix today with Coppejans
Report TGMTEL August 7, 2019 6:33 PM BST
Back to not offering Gaba tomorrow it seems (they've put up markets for all other 3rd round matches where match-ups are known).
Report Angoose August 7, 2019 6:35 PM BST
You may be reading too much in to this, beware of confirmation bias.
Missing matches may simply be due to incompetence.
Report TGMTEL August 7, 2019 7:15 PM BST
I'm leaning towards offering him today was due to incompetence. Not offering three of his matches in the span of a week can not be a coincidence. Anyway, I have emailed them to hear what they have to say on the matter.
Report Angoose August 7, 2019 9:11 PM BST
Possibly, let us know what they say.
Report edy August 8, 2019 11:31 AM BST
I noticed something like this at the back end of 2018 at the Futures. I think it was at the Dominican Republic Futures. There was one player whose matches were always missing, but since I'm not entirely sure who it was, I'd rather not just say a name of who I think it likely was. It did look curious to me and I was thinking to myself if Betfair had blacklisted his matches.
Report SabineIsGOAT August 9, 2019 10:14 AM BST
definitely interesting that gabash match isn't available, they don't miss out matches often
Report TGMTEL August 9, 2019 10:43 AM BST
Gaba won today and is now in the QF of the Challenger tournament in Manerbio. It did intrigue me how a former world no 43 is now hovering around at ~400 in the rankings so I looked up his results for the recent year. What's been going on, has he been injured a lot? It turns out he has actually played a full year (70 matches) since August 2018, won more than he has lost, but not made any big runs in tournaments (QF here and there are his best results), and only picked up a few points here and there and therefore not climbed the rankings. Record over this timeframe is 40 wins 30 losses. Hasn't played any top 100 players. Against the top 200 he is 4-1, so he is better than his ranking suggests. That being said, he's far away from the main tour and Slams so Betfair most likely doesn't need to worry about him showing up there anytime soon.
No word from Betfair yet btw.
Report TGMTEL August 9, 2019 12:14 PM BST
Betfair offering his QF later today Shocked
So that's R1 not offered, R2 offered, R3 not offered, QF offered for this week.
Maybe they have his phone tapped and knows if he's gonna fix or not on that particular day.
Report TGMTEL August 9, 2019 1:13 PM BST
They removed it Laugh
Do they read this message board? Hi Betfair Happy
Report edy August 9, 2019 1:31 PM BST
How do we know it wasn't because of Berrettini, King and Arnaboldi?
Report TGMTEL August 9, 2019 1:35 PM BST
Because all their other matches were offered this week. Well, with the exception of Berrettini because he only had that one match against Gaba.
Report TGMTEL August 9, 2019 1:43 PM BST
They also must have high thoughts of Gaba's fixing skills if they thought he was gonna be able to organise something in the two hours between his 1st and 2nd match today.
Report TGMTEL August 9, 2019 5:48 PM BST
After not getting any response from Betfair I asked again, and this time I did get a response.
Unfortunately, it was completely useless.
"Please note that it is up to the Traders' discretion which markets are offered and they are not required to offer any further explenation.
Kind Regards,"
Gaba is in the SF tomorrow btw.
Report Angoose August 9, 2019 6:00 PM BST
Basically, they told you to mind your own bleedin' business Shocked
Report SabineIsGOAT August 9, 2019 6:01 PM BST
If they don't have the SF available tomorrow that's very fishy
Report Angoose August 9, 2019 6:06 PM BST
When the boat comes in ?
Report TGMTEL August 9, 2019 6:22 PM BST
Hello. What is Betfair’s policy regarding offering tennis matches on the exchange involving Teymuraz Gabashvili? I have noticed they are often not, presumably because of match fixing suspicions. For instance this week, his R1 match was not offered, his R2 match wasn’t and looking at schedule tomorrow it seems his R3 match tomorrow won’t be. So what gives?
And are there other players whose matches will not be offered on the exchange?
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Hello. I haven't heard back regarding this.
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BF: Please note that it is up to the Traders' discretion which markets are offered and they are not required to offer any further explenation.
Kind Regards,
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Hello.
Well that’s a little disappointing. I was hoping for a more useful answer than that, especially after having waited two days for it, especially from VIP customer service. I wasn’t really asking for an explanation either, I was asking what the policy on offering his matches is, since Betfair offers some of his matches, but not others, and it would be helpful to know.
But since you have not offered 3 out of his 4 matches this week, I will assume that you have blacklisted him then, and that the one match offered was a mistake.
I am also not complaining about this. In fact I think it’s even commendable that you sacrifice some revenue in form of commission if you do it in order to protect the integrity of the sport and to protect customers from placing money on markets that might not be on the up and up. I just wish you could communicate what you are doing in a better way instead of giving vague replies like the ones you just gave me.
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BF: While I do completely understand where you're coming from, unfortunately as I stated, it does depend on the Traders, we are unable to provide any further information as to why or why not we do not offer specific markets or games.
I do sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused, especially for the vague reply, however unfortunately there's not much further we can tell you.
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What is the purpose of this service if you can not answer questions? Rather than customer asking something and you saying "We don't know. It's a decision made by the traders", a more sensible approach would be that if customer asks something that only traders would know the answer to, you take the question, you then ask the traders, and once you have heard from them, you reply to the customer with this information if possible. When you don't give answers, customers will have to make assumptions and guesses and those might not be correct.
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BF: Kindly note that it's not that we don't know or that we can't ask the traders, however it's that the Traders and ourselves are not obliged to give out such information regarding your query.
I apologise once again if that's not what you want to hear however unfortunately there's nothing further we can do.
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I can see why you don’t want to say why, I really don’t see why you can’t confirm that you are not offering his matches though. But based on recent evidence I will have to assume that that is the case and that the one match offered involving him this week was a mistake.
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BF: I do sincerely apologise however as stated, we are unable to provide any information regarding this as we are not obligated to.

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Report TGMTEL August 9, 2019 6:23 PM BST
^that's the whole thing. as you can see they are very hush-hush about it.
I would be very surprised if they offer his SF tomorrow.
Report TGMTEL August 9, 2019 6:26 PM BST
I see now I made an error in my initial message to them, should have said R2 was offered, but don't think it made any difference to how they replied.
Report edy August 9, 2019 7:16 PM BST
Can't wait to bet on Lorenzi tomorrow.
Report TGMTEL August 9, 2019 7:19 PM BST
Ssssssssssssssshhh!
Report TGMTEL August 10, 2019 4:29 PM BST
His match was offered today. So for the week that's R1 not offered, R2 offered, R3 and QF not offered, SF offered.
Also, this comment stood out for me "Please note that it is up to the Traders' discretion which markets are offered". I am asking about the exchange and they mention traders? Probably just a case of misunderstanding/cluelessness from helpdesk person. If not, it sounds like admitting they have traders working the exchange.
Report doridoru August 10, 2019 4:44 PM BST

Aug 10, 2019 -- 10:29AM, TGMTEL wrote:


His match was offered today. So for the week that's R1 not offered, R2 offered, R3 and QF not offered, SF offered. Also, this comment stood out for me "Please note that it is up to the Traders' discretion which markets are offered". I am asking about the exchange and they mention traders? Probably just a case of misunderstanding/cluelessness from helpdesk person. If not, it sounds like admitting they have traders working the exchange.


Obvious they have traders, that's who shuts the exchange down when they make a big mistake

Report TGMTEL August 10, 2019 4:51 PM BST
Yes, but we are not supposed to know that, correct? It would raise all kinds of integrity questions if they were to admit that.
Report edy August 10, 2019 4:57 PM BST
I thought that was done by suspend monkeys in their Gibraltar HQ.
Report doridoru August 10, 2019 5:26 PM BST

Aug 10, 2019 -- 10:57AM, edy wrote:


I thought that was done by suspend monkeys in their Gibraltar HQ.


Monkeys?

REPORTED

Report Angoose August 10, 2019 5:54 PM BST
Barbary apes, not monkeys.
Report edy August 10, 2019 6:41 PM BST
While I acknowledge that barbary apes is a commonly used name, it is also a misleading name. They're monkeys, not apes.
Report Angoose August 10, 2019 7:21 PM BST
Tell Wikipedia Cry
Report edy August 12, 2019 8:28 AM BST
There are currently 14 first round matches set in Portoroz. Only thirteen of them are listed on BF. Can you guess whose match is missing?
Report edy August 12, 2019 8:29 AM BST
But Nedelko is listed in Meerbusch.
Report edy August 12, 2019 8:35 AM BST

Aug 12, 2019 -- 2:28AM, edy wrote:


There are currently 14 first round matches set in Portoroz. Only thirteen of them are listed on BF. Can you guess whose match is missing?


Pinny is also missing exactly one first round match from Portoroz.

Report edy August 12, 2019 11:50 AM BST
Reboul has some sort of trouble with his movement, but his opponent is a local waiter Sad
Report edy August 12, 2019 11:52 AM BST
Think he's close to cramping
Report edy August 12, 2019 11:53 AM BST
local waiter messed that one up
Report TGMTEL August 12, 2019 11:59 AM BST

Aug 12, 2019 -- 2:28AM, edy wrote:


There are currently 14 first round matches set in Portoroz. Only thirteen of them are listed on BF. Can you guess whose match is missing?


oh no. Match was listed earlier. So I would think all matches are put on the exchange by default, then when someone remembers to check the blacklist Gaba's matches is taken away. Or it's up to trader if they want to keep it or not. All we can do is speculate since they won't give us an answer.

Report TGMTEL August 12, 2019 12:00 PM BST

Aug 12, 2019 -- 2:29AM, edy wrote:


But Nedelko is listed in Meerbusch.


OMG. And offered in-play as well.

Report SabineIsGOAT August 12, 2019 12:43 PM BST
and another dodgy market on him Laugh
Report edy August 12, 2019 12:48 PM BST
I think Meerbusch has dodgy market(s) every year.
Report edy August 12, 2019 12:48 PM BST
It's where e.g that super infamous dutchie fix happened.
Report doridoru August 12, 2019 1:32 PM BST
IVAN NEDELKO 2019'S NO 1 FIXER
Report TGMTEL August 12, 2019 5:42 PM BST

Aug 12, 2019 -- 2:35AM, edy wrote:


Aug 12, 2019 --  8:28AM, edy wrote:There are currently 14 first round matches set in Portoroz. Only thirteen of them are listed on BF. Can you guess whose match is missing?Pinny is also missing exactly one first round match from Portoroz.


Pinny is never offering Gafa's matches.

Report TGMTEL August 12, 2019 5:42 PM BST
*Gaba's
Report nofx August 14, 2019 12:40 AM BST
Now they're blacklisting players while their matches' ongoing
Report TGMTEL August 14, 2019 12:46 AM BST
Laugh
Report TGMTEL August 19, 2019 1:39 AM BST
so for those keeping score, last week R1 match for Gabashvili was not offered, R2 was.
for this week's tournament in L'Aquila his R1 match against Valkusz is not offered.
Report TGMTEL August 19, 2019 1:41 AM BST
Don't think Nedelko is playing anything this week, he is probably on some paradise island.
Report edy August 19, 2019 8:56 AM BST
bf needs to stop bullying Gabashvili.
Report edy August 19, 2019 9:02 AM BST
Nedelko was registered to play the M15 in Moscow this week, but withdrew on August 1st with the reasoning of playing L'Aquila instead...where he isn't in the draw Sad
Report SabineIsGOAT August 19, 2019 9:59 AM BST
I thought I saw Gabash match up on the market yesterday
Report TGMTEL August 19, 2019 10:42 AM BST
That would make sense. I think it's always automatically added (exchange), then sometimes it gets revomed.
Report TGMTEL August 19, 2019 10:44 AM BST
not sure make sense is correct way to describe it, but I meant that's how it usually works.
Report edy August 19, 2019 11:14 AM BST
Just sometimes the market managing monkey of the day forgets to remove his match
Report TGMTEL August 19, 2019 12:00 PM BST
I really wish the embarrassed monkey emoji was available on this phorum. Would be fitting for this.
Report SabineIsGOAT August 20, 2019 2:31 PM BST
Gabashvili won today down a set when his opponent retired, didn't watch any of it to see what happened
Report wisewords August 20, 2019 2:35 PM BST
Gabashvili has turned into a forum celebrity!
Report Angoose August 20, 2019 3:09 PM BST
Could be playing against Sir Andy in the very near future Grin
Report Angoose August 20, 2019 3:10 PM BST
Former world number 230 Juan Carlos Saez has been banned for eight years and fined £10,300 ($12,500) for breaching anti-corruption rules.

The Chilean, 28, was interviewed by the Tennis Integrity Unit after unusual betting patterns were highlighted during matches he played in.

He repeatedly failed to hand over his mobile phone for forensic analysis.

Saez separately admitted to receiving a corrupt approach at an ITF Futures tournament, which he did not report.

That is against anti-corruption rules.

Saez is 1,082nd in the ATP world rankings, having reached 230th in September 2015.
Report TGMTEL August 20, 2019 3:59 PM BST

Aug 20, 2019 -- 9:09AM, Angoose wrote:


Could be playing against Sir Andy in the very near future


will be very interesting to see what happens if they meet in the first round.

Report TGMTEL August 20, 2019 9:01 PM BST
wow, Betfair not offering Gaba's R2 match tomorrow.
Report SabineIsGOAT August 20, 2019 9:41 PM BST
shocking
Report TGMTEL August 20, 2019 9:43 PM BST
they offered his R2 matches in the previous two weeks.
Report wisewords August 21, 2019 12:01 AM BST
the plot thickens
Report TGMTEL August 25, 2019 10:50 PM BST
Betfair not offering Nedelko tomorrow. Don't think Gaba is playing this week.
Report TGMTEL September 3, 2019 4:36 AM BST
Nedelko and Gabash both playing Jinan R1 today. None of these matches offered.
Report TGMTEL September 4, 2019 4:56 AM BST
Gaba R2 also not offered.
Report TGMTEL September 5, 2019 4:19 AM BST
R3 not offered.
Report TGMTEL September 6, 2019 5:16 AM BST
Gaba QF in Jinan offered
Report edy September 9, 2019 12:25 PM BST
Zhurbin - Barranco Cosano 1st round Seville not offered today.
Report edy September 9, 2019 12:27 PM BST
and nando's also having a very reduced bet offering for that match. Only moneyline and winner of current set.
Report edy September 9, 2019 12:30 PM BST
No point, game, set score, next break, o/u games and all that stuff they have for other matches.
Report TGMTEL September 10, 2019 9:18 AM BST
Vega Hernandez vs Lokoli 1st round Seville not offered here.
Report SabineIsGOAT September 10, 2019 9:29 AM BST
Roumane-Lazov Istanbul R1 not offered either
Report TGMTEL September 10, 2019 9:34 AM BST
if it's just once that a player is not listed, it's probably just muggery, but let's keep listing missing matches and we'll see if a player keeps appearing.
Report TGMTEL September 11, 2019 12:22 PM BST
edy • September 9, 2019 12:25 PM BST
Zhurbin - Barranco Cosano 1st round Seville not offered today.
TGMTEL • September 10, 2019 9:18 AM BST
Vega Hernandez vs Lokoli 1st round Seville not offered here.

winner of these matches BC and Lokoli were offered in R2.

Don't know about SIG's match as that R2 match has already been played and both of those players are now out.
Report edy September 11, 2019 2:18 PM BST
Slobodchikov - Bellucci (Bellucci always offered in the past, including recently, as far as I'm aware)
Report edy September 11, 2019 2:20 PM BST
and Slobodchikov kind of seems like too big a non-entity to be banned from anything on purpose, so mugging surely.
Report SabineIsGOAT September 11, 2019 8:28 PM BST
Slobodchikov R1 was offered
Report wisewords September 11, 2019 8:30 PM BST
cool thread.
Report TGMTEL September 11, 2019 9:39 PM BST

Sep 11, 2019 -- 2:28PM, SabineIsGOAT wrote:


Slobodchikov R1 was offered


Betfair thinks Bellucci is a fixer Shocked

Report TGMTEL September 11, 2019 9:42 PM BST

Sep 11, 2019 -- 2:30PM, wisewords wrote:


cool thread.


This thread is created just because they can't give a straight answer to if they have blacklisted players, so we have to keep track of things here and do guesstimates.

Report edy September 12, 2019 11:13 AM BST
Bellucci offered today Happy
Report SabineIsGOAT September 16, 2019 12:04 PM BST
Gabash not offered as usual

Lindell-Casanova Biella R1 not offered
Report TGMTEL September 16, 2019 12:07 PM BST
Shocked It's probably because of Lindell. He has a history, but that was more muggery than anything else.
Report edy September 16, 2019 4:17 PM BST
Lindell is back representing Sweden I see. Guy switches nationalities more than I change my underwear.
Report TGMTEL October 3, 2019 2:44 AM BST
Gaba vs Marchenko offered.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 2, 2020 11:01 AM GMT
I stopped paying attention to this when I stopped betting on challengers, but I see Gaba was involved in a match with dodgy odds today and then retired a set down and 2-5, so probably did the classic "bet on me to win with void book and if I'm losing I'll retire" fix.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 2, 2020 11:09 AM GMT
match was offered here.
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