ATP Indian Wells Final - (1) Rafael Nadal vs Novak Djokovic (2)

That wasn't even a slice from Nadal though. Also Nadal's slice is average at best. Federer's slice was/is great.

The slice that bites and lands around the service line is a ball Djokovic has never liked, there's not a lot he can do with it.

Incidentally it's on of the same reasons that Federer struggled to make roads against Nadal, because this shot has no effect whatsoever vs Nadal, where it goes into his forehand and he can go both ways easily with it.

Boris told him that it was a good idea to put some brandy in his gluten free porridge oats

Mar 30, 2014 -- 8:49PM, n88uk wrote:

Fed at his best > Djokovic at his best (this match up was always in Fed's favour)Even this match up, it's hard to argue how much it's in Djokovic's favour when Nadal still leads the head to head and apart from 2011, Djokovic has never really dominated him, and Nadal has won way too many of the big encounters.

Djokovic beat Nadal in 7 finals in a row - 3 slams finals and 4 masters, you're having a bubble.

is rafa finnish?

probably has to spend 24/7 with his missus when the red panzer is about

Roger raf and novak best 3 players of all time imo enjoy em whilst u can

Gilles Muiller would have asked more questions of Nole today imo.

Gilles Muller was a number 1 junior to be fair

Mar 30, 2014 -- 8:55PM, mesmerised wrote:

Mar 30, 2014 --  7:49PM, n88uk wrote:Fed at his best > Djokovic at his best (this match up was always in Fed's favour)Even this match up, it's hard to argue how much it's in Djokovic's favour when Nadal still leads the head to head and apart from 2011, Djokovic has never really dominated him, and Nadal has won way too many of the big encounters.Djokovic beat Nadal in 7 finals in a row - 3 slams finals and 4 masters, you're having a bubble.

In one year. What about all the other times Nadal has beaten him.

At the end of the day I would take Nadal in the biggest matches over Djokovic every day. Just look at their head to head in big matches. Nadal is way mentally stronger than Djokovic is probably a major contributor to this.

The fact Djokovic beat him 7 times in a row, and still doesn't lead the head to head also tells you something.

Mar 30, 2014 -- 8:56PM, edy wrote:

Gilles Muller was a number 1 junior to be fair

Gilles even beat Rafa once

This is like watching Serena against Petkovic

I am pretty sure I'm right in saying apart from 2011 Djokovic has never led Nadal in the head to head in any single year.

what ever became of buster mottram?

Mar 30, 2014 -- 8:57PM, wisewords wrote:

This is like watching Serena against Petkovic

Don't diss Petko like that ffs

Muller was a set down to Rajeev Ram yesterday, playing like a blind man and went to 11/4. Annihilated him in the nesxt 2 sets

rafa keeps holding he will get his chance

hed better hurry up with it lurka

let me tell you now that the seeds of doubt will creep into novaks head very soon

if he does lurka, then the clown demons are very much still active

even money novak goes mug ree all match

* free

Djokovic has never really dominated him

Sorry but 7 major finals in a row is complete and utter domination.

Their head to head in big matches reads Djokovic winning more finals 10-8 about to be 11-8 so wtf are you talking about n88

the head to head is a reflection of the early years when nadal was more advanced, then Novak simply caught up.

The continuously struggling to hold and then breaks from nowhere thing is about to happen.

now AI, or at 4-5?

the seeds of doubt are you looking at the 1.11 odds to long

now possibly

Mar 30, 2014 -- 9:00PM, Slum Dog wrote:

the seeds of doubt are you looking at the 1.11 odds to long

should be 1.05 or shorter

Mar 30, 2014 -- 8:19PM, SabineIsGOAT wrote:

Djokovic has won their last 2 meetings 6-3 6-4 so this could be the same

3rd time in a row incoming

Rafa's still doing his Federror forehand impersonation..

I cant believe Nole wins this without being broken at least once?

nadal backers forcing the jynx

free points isnt the way ffs

Wtf are you talking about mesmerised.

Why has Djokovic only led him one year in the head to head? Why does Nadal lead big matches 8-3?

The last being the key. When it's really mattered, Nadal has still had his number time after time.

start believing yyy

Boris has sucked all the demons right out of him.

NOVACK OWNS THIS  SPanish mug when hes drug free like  he is today

believe it he is playing relaxed he has this match up in his pocket

fetch that rafa

Is Boris Becker the best coach of all time?

Gluten free IS ALL POWERFUL

I was expecting Djoko to clown today but it's not gonna happen

pfff.. rafa being made to feel like a fish up a tree.

novak to go fav for French ?

novak is more likely to break here than rafa break next game

he's having his pants pulled down

Why would Novak go favourite for the French on the back of what happens in Miami?

brilliant from the serb

form n88uk hes been brilliant today owned him

novak trembling

Novak did a FEDERROR

He might go fav if he spanks Nadal the entire clay court season. Not barely wins, but brutally owns him.

unless he wins here....i see a very tense game at 5-4

Mar 30, 2014 -- 9:02PM, n88uk wrote:

Wtf are you talking about mesmerised.Why has Djokovic only led him one year in the head to head? Why does Nadal lead big matches 8-3?The last being the key. When it's really mattered, Nadal has still had his number time after time.

Why do you keep going on about what happens in a year?

the point is 7 major finals in row  including 3 slams and 4 majors over 11 months is domination in anyones book so fanboying nadal not being able to back is up is ridiculous.

You said At the end of the day I would take Nadal in the biggest matches over Djokovic every day. - Djokoic has a better h2h record in finals, i'm not sure which part of that you're struggling with.

GLUTEN POWAAA

And today has no relevance on the FO

I FULLY EXPECT TO SEE THE LETTERS GSM SHORTLY

He will only go favourite for the French if he dominates the clay season.

What happens today has little impact on the French Open though imo.

6-3 6-3 GSM

lol what a finish

Rafa back to Majorca for his magic potions

EVERYTHING HAS RELEVANCE

WD Djok

boom

Mar 30, 2014 -- 9:05PM, mesmerised wrote:

Mar 30, 2014 --  8:02PM, n88uk wrote:Wtf are you talking about mesmerised.Why has Djokovic only led him one year in the head to head? Why does Nadal lead big matches 8-3?The last being the key. When it's really mattered, Nadal has still had his number time after time.Why do you keep going on about what happens in a year?the point is 7 major finals in row  including 3 slams and 4 majors over 11 months is domination in anyones book so fanboying nadal not being able to back is up is ridiculous.You said At the end of the day I would take Nadal in the biggest matches over Djokovic every day. - Djokoic has a better h2h record in finals, i'm not sure which part of that you're struggling with.

someone is mad lol

congrats novak

the least he could have done is make him serve iMade to look like a clay noob.

If Djokovic owns Rafa at Monte Carlo again then that has relevance to the FO, today means **** all.

nice watch Novak

what did he write?

clay only for  nafa  4/5 250 on boommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wins 160  chers mugs

Mar 30, 2014 -- 9:08PM, wisewords wrote:

what did he write?

'idedicate my win to az FROM BETFAIR BECAUSE WHENE EVERYONE ELSE ON FORUM DOUBTED ME HE BSUPPORTED ME'

Mar 30, 2014 -- 9:05PM, mesmerised wrote:

Mar 30, 2014 --  8:02PM, n88uk wrote:Wtf are you talking about mesmerised.Why has Djokovic only led him one year in the head to head? Why does Nadal lead big matches 8-3?The last being the key. When it's really mattered, Nadal has still had his number time after time.Why do you keep going on about what happens in a year?the point is 7 major finals in row  including 3 slams and 4 majors over 11 months is domination in anyones book so fanboying nadal not being able to back is up is ridiculous.You said At the end of the day I would take Nadal in the biggest matches over Djokovic every day. - Djokoic has a better h2h record in finals, i'm not sure which part of that you're struggling with.

So you proof for why Djokovic is better is he dominated Nadal for 1 year in his career. What about the other 7 years Nadal dominated Djokovic over?

You are missing the part where all finals are the same. That finals stat includes irrelevant stuff like Beijing. A grand slam semi-final is far bigger than even a masters final. In grand slams, ie. when everything has been on the line Nadal leads 8-3. You can take your own conclusions from that.

his message was way shorter than that

novak doesnt needs boris, he doesnt need anyone interfering with his game

his head even

Will the media go for Djokovic if he gets back to number 1 while holding no grand slams?

^^^^ zzzzzzzzzzz

Mar 30, 2014 -- 9:12PM, n88uk wrote:

Will the media go for Djokovic if he gets back to number 1 while holding no grand slams?

yes

Lol you know that isn't true Edy.

N88, I never said once that he is better overall,

I was talking about your quote that Novak has never dominated him which is clearly bollox after beating him 7 finals in row including 3 slam finals as well as having a better h2h record in finals,

The 8-3 slam finals thing, You are talking about the greatest of all time on clay - 5 of those 8 were on clay, 1 at wimbledon Novak retired, 1 at RG.

rafa will come back "refreshed" for the clay season

Mesmerised this was my full sentence:

Nadal still leads the head to head and apart from 2011, Djokovic has never really dominated him, and Nadal has won way too many of the big encounters.

Eg. last year Djokovic in what should be his prime years still lost to Nadal in a grand slam final on hard court.

shameful play by Nadal.

nadal that brazillian mug

Nevermind the h2h you're going back to the days when they played 10 times by the time they were 21, Novak has progressed to much since then.

overall h2h is meaningless in some cases - Tim Henman beat Federer SIX times in a row when fed was inexpereinced, Federer won the next 7

The big encounters include masters finals as well as slams, and like I say the FO plays a big part in the slam record - nadal being the true goat on clay. Even these days Novak has got much closer to him on the surface, last year FO could have gone either way and he stopped RN from winning 8 MC 1000 in a row.


Last 9 finals = Novak 5-4

Mar 30, 2014 -- 3:25PM, ;[p wrote:

novak to win easily

wetquoten

It's meaningless in some cases. Henman and Federer were from a different generation. Nadal and Djokovic are from the same generation pretty much.

And I don't really include masters finals in the big encounters these days, especially since they moved to best of 3 sets. Best of 3 sets is really a total different ball game to best of 5 sets. Nadal is also notoriously a guy who peaks for grand slams.

Djoker never in doubt

Nadal has won 26 masters titles more than anyone in history, he cares a lot about them and always peaks for them.

The overall h2h cannot be taken as gospel as who is actually better, surely you realise how simple that is, the pre 2011 Novak never had the same stomach for the fight with all the retirements, and then there was the whole diet/gluten thing he changed (yes possibly linked) and hasn't looked back.

The 7 final wins in a row is record in their match ups anyhow, Nadal has never beat home more than 5 times consecutively.

Semantics anyhow, people analyse the same thing and deduce from it the way they either want to or genuinely see it, latter for me as I'm no Novak fanboy or a Nadal hater.

nadal will dominate the clay season

That number is a little misleading in that Nadal has been able to rack up an incredible number on clay. You think about the others and often Nadal goes into them in bad shape (especially the post-USO ones). Nadal wins on clay even when below his best, I remember him being sub-par pretty much all clay season last year, yet he comes out with it with a F, W, W from the masters. He wouldn't get away with such a level on hard court.

And oh yer I agree overall head to head isn't everything, even just head to head's don't mean anything in context. Some people just have a better match up vs others.

On your last point, you are right, and I believe you. There are others with clear agenda's though.

He has never played well in Paris or the WTF because he is not a good indoors player. I would also hazard a guess Shanghai has not been his best performances because after 10 months on tennis playing the well he does, he's a little bit worn out. Lucky for the masters Clay court season in within he first 5 months but as for the overall GOAT status, the most boring in Tennis, I would say Barry Cowan deserves a shout, not many players have taken two sets of Sampras at Wimbledon.

slip5   

nadal that brazillian mug

Nadal will own the clay as always

Nadal will own the clay as always