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aaronh
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I think this is on Sunday

Both came through hard fought semi finals to make it this far.

40th edition of this Cry

Odds right now are a bit shaky but looks like ND will settle in the high 1.7s

ND 10-5 on hard (1-2 in 2013)
ND 10-9 in finals (3-1 in 2013)

After 2011, looks like Nadal regaining the upper hand in this one, Beijing/London low on Nadal's list of priorities I would imagine as usual at end of season.
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Report n88uk March 30, 2014 8:54 PM BST
That wasn't even a slice from Nadal though. Also Nadal's slice is average at best. Federer's slice was/is great.

The slice that bites and lands around the service line is a ball Djokovic has never liked, there's not a lot he can do with it.

Incidentally it's on of the same reasons that Federer struggled to make roads against Nadal, because this shot has no effect whatsoever vs Nadal, where it goes into his forehand and he can go both ways easily with it.
Report wisewords March 30, 2014 8:55 PM BST
Boris told him that it was a good idea to put some brandy in his gluten free porridge oats
Report mesmerised March 30, 2014 8:55 PM BST

Mar 30, 2014 -- 8:49PM, n88uk wrote:


Fed at his best > Djokovic at his best (this match up was always in Fed's favour)Even this match up, it's hard to argue how much it's in Djokovic's favour when Nadal still leads the head to head and apart from 2011, Djokovic has never really dominated him, and Nadal has won way too many of the big encounters.


Djokovic beat Nadal in 7 finals in a row - 3 slams finals and 4 masters, you're having a bubble.

Report Howdi March 30, 2014 8:55 PM BST
is rafa finnish?
Report lurka March 30, 2014 8:55 PM BST
probably has to spend 24/7 with his missus when the red panzer is about
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 8:55 PM BST
Roger raf and novak best 3 players of all time imo enjoy em whilst u can
Report ArmchairIdiot March 30, 2014 8:55 PM BST
Gilles Muiller would have asked more questions of Nole today imo.
Report edy March 30, 2014 8:56 PM BST
Gilles Muller was a number 1 junior to be fair
Report n88uk March 30, 2014 8:56 PM BST

Mar 30, 2014 -- 8:55PM, mesmerised wrote:


Mar 30, 2014 --  7:49PM, n88uk wrote:Fed at his best > Djokovic at his best (this match up was always in Fed's favour)Even this match up, it's hard to argue how much it's in Djokovic's favour when Nadal still leads the head to head and apart from 2011, Djokovic has never really dominated him, and Nadal has won way too many of the big encounters.Djokovic beat Nadal in 7 finals in a row - 3 slams finals and 4 masters, you're having a bubble.


In one year. What about all the other times Nadal has beaten him.

At the end of the day I would take Nadal in the biggest matches over Djokovic every day. Just look at their head to head in big matches. Nadal is way mentally stronger than Djokovic is probably a major contributor to this.

The fact Djokovic beat him 7 times in a row, and still doesn't lead the head to head also tells you something.

Report aaronh March 30, 2014 8:57 PM BST

Mar 30, 2014 -- 8:56PM, edy wrote:


Gilles Muller was a number 1 junior to be fair


Gilles even beat Rafa once

Report wisewords March 30, 2014 8:57 PM BST
This is like watching Serena against Petkovic
Report n88uk March 30, 2014 8:58 PM BST
I am pretty sure I'm right in saying apart from 2011 Djokovic has never led Nadal in the head to head in any single year.
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 8:58 PM BST
what ever became of buster mottram?
Report SabineIsGOAT March 30, 2014 8:58 PM BST

Mar 30, 2014 -- 8:57PM, wisewords wrote:

This is like watching Serena against Petkovic


Don't diss Petko like that ffs

Report ArmchairIdiot March 30, 2014 8:58 PM BST
Muller was a set down to Rajeev Ram yesterday, playing like a blind man and went to 11/4. Annihilated him in the nesxt 2 sets Cool
Report lurka March 30, 2014 8:58 PM BST
rafa keeps holding he will get his chance
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 8:58 PM BST
hed better hurry up with it lurka
Report AZ91 March 30, 2014 8:59 PM BST
let me tell you now that the seeds of doubt will creep into novaks head very soon
Report wisewords March 30, 2014 8:59 PM BST
if he does lurka, then the clown demons are very much still active
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 8:59 PM BST
even money novak goes mug ree all match
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 8:59 PM BST
* free
Report mesmerised March 30, 2014 8:59 PM BST
Djokovic has never really dominated him

Sorry but 7 major finals in a row is complete and utter domination.

Their head to head in big matches reads Djokovic winning more finals 10-8 about to be 11-8 so wtf are you talking about n88Laugh

the head to head is a reflection of the early years when nadal was more advanced, then Novak simply caught up.
Report ArmchairIdiot March 30, 2014 9:00 PM BST
The continuously struggling to hold and then breaks from nowhere thing is about to happen.
Report wisewords March 30, 2014 9:00 PM BST
now AI, or at 4-5?
Report Slum Dog March 30, 2014 9:00 PM BST
the seeds of doubt are you looking at the 1.11 odds to long
Report ArmchairIdiot March 30, 2014 9:01 PM BST
now possibly
Report aaronh March 30, 2014 9:01 PM BST

Mar 30, 2014 -- 9:00PM, Slum Dog wrote:


the seeds of doubt are you looking at the 1.11 odds to long


should be 1.05 or shorter

Report SabineIsGOAT March 30, 2014 9:01 PM BST

Mar 30, 2014 -- 8:19PM, SabineIsGOAT wrote:

Djokovic has won their last 2 meetings 6-3 6-4 so this could be the same


3rd time in a row incoming

Report wisewords March 30, 2014 9:01 PM BST
Rafa's still doing his Federror forehand impersonation..
Report yyyy March 30, 2014 9:01 PM BST
I cant believe Nole wins this without being broken at least once?
Report AZ91 March 30, 2014 9:02 PM BST
Laugh nadal backers forcing the jynx
Report ArmchairIdiot March 30, 2014 9:02 PM BST
free points isnt the way ffs
Report n88uk March 30, 2014 9:02 PM BST
Wtf are you talking about mesmerised.

Why has Djokovic only led him one year in the head to head? Why does Nadal lead big matches 8-3?

The last being the key. When it's really mattered, Nadal has still had his number time after time.
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 9:02 PM BST
start believing yyy
Report wisewords March 30, 2014 9:02 PM BST
Boris has sucked all the demons right out of him.
Report seddon61 March 30, 2014 9:02 PM BST
NOVACK OWNS THIS  SPanish mug when hes drug free like  he is today
Report Slum Dog March 30, 2014 9:02 PM BST
believe it he is playing relaxed he has this match up in his pocket
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 9:02 PM BST
fetch that rafa
Report edy March 30, 2014 9:02 PM BST
Is Boris Becker the best coach of all time?
Report wisewords March 30, 2014 9:02 PM BST
Gluten free IS ALL POWERFUL
Report SabineIsGOAT March 30, 2014 9:02 PM BST
I was expecting Djoko to clown today but it's not gonna happen
Report ArmchairIdiot March 30, 2014 9:03 PM BST
pfff.. rafa being made to feel like a fish up a tree.
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 9:03 PM BST
novak to go fav for French ?
Report Slum Dog March 30, 2014 9:03 PM BST
novak is more likely to break here than rafa break next game
Report wisewords March 30, 2014 9:04 PM BST
he's having his pants pulled down
Report n88uk March 30, 2014 9:04 PM BST
Why would Novak go favourite for the French on the back of what happens in Miami?
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 9:04 PM BST
brilliant from the serb
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 9:04 PM BST
form n88uk hes been brilliant today owned him
Report AZ91 March 30, 2014 9:04 PM BST
novak trembling
Report wisewords March 30, 2014 9:04 PM BST
Novak did a FEDERROR
Report edy March 30, 2014 9:04 PM BST
He might go fav if he spanks Nadal the entire clay court season. Not barely wins, but brutally owns him.
Report AZ91 March 30, 2014 9:05 PM BST
unless he wins here....i see a very tense game at 5-4
Report AZ91 March 30, 2014 9:05 PM BST
Wink
Report mesmerised March 30, 2014 9:05 PM BST

Mar 30, 2014 -- 9:02PM, n88uk wrote:


Wtf are you talking about mesmerised.Why has Djokovic only led him one year in the head to head? Why does Nadal lead big matches 8-3?The last being the key. When it's really mattered, Nadal has still had his number time after time.


Why do you keep going on about what happens in a year?

the point is 7 major finals in row  including 3 slams and 4 majors over 11 months is domination in anyones book so fanboying nadal not being able to back is up is ridiculous.

You said At the end of the day I would take Nadal in the biggest matches over Djokovic every day. - Djokoic has a better h2h record in finals, i'm not sure which part of that you're struggling with.

Report SabineIsGOAT March 30, 2014 9:05 PM BST
GLUTEN POWAAA
Report SabineIsGOAT March 30, 2014 9:05 PM BST
And today has no relevance on the FO
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 9:05 PM BST
I FULLY EXPECT TO SEE THE LETTERS GSM SHORTLY
Report n88uk March 30, 2014 9:05 PM BST
He will only go favourite for the French if he dominates the clay season.

What happens today has little impact on the French Open though imo.
Report wisewords March 30, 2014 9:06 PM BST
6-3 6-3 GSM
Report SabineIsGOAT March 30, 2014 9:06 PM BST
lol what a finish
Report A_T March 30, 2014 9:06 PM BST
Rafa back to Majorca for his magic potions
Report fcp10 March 30, 2014 9:06 PM BST
ExcitedCool
Report utd March 30, 2014 9:06 PM BST
Love
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 9:06 PM BST
EVERYTHING HAS RELEVANCE
Report lurka March 30, 2014 9:06 PM BST
WD Djok
Report AZ91 March 30, 2014 9:06 PM BST
boom
Report AZ91 March 30, 2014 9:07 PM BST

Mar 30, 2014 -- 9:05PM, mesmerised wrote:


Mar 30, 2014 --  8:02PM, n88uk wrote:Wtf are you talking about mesmerised.Why has Djokovic only led him one year in the head to head? Why does Nadal lead big matches 8-3?The last being the key. When it's really mattered, Nadal has still had his number time after time.Why do you keep going on about what happens in a year?the point is 7 major finals in row  including 3 slams and 4 majors over 11 months is domination in anyones book so fanboying nadal not being able to back is up is ridiculous.You said At the end of the day I would take Nadal in the biggest matches over Djokovic every day. - Djokoic has a better h2h record in finals, i'm not sure which part of that you're struggling with.


someone is mad lol

Report disicipline=£££££££££££££sssss March 30, 2014 9:07 PM BST
congrats novakHappy
Report ArmchairIdiot March 30, 2014 9:07 PM BST
the least he could have done is make him serve iMade to look like a clay noob.
Report SabineIsGOAT March 30, 2014 9:07 PM BST
If Djokovic owns Rafa at Monte Carlo again then that has relevance to the FO, today means **** all.
Report edy March 30, 2014 9:08 PM BST
nice watch Novak
Report wisewords March 30, 2014 9:08 PM BST
what did he write?
Report seddon61 March 30, 2014 9:08 PM BST
clay only for  nafa  4/5 250 on boommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wins 160  chers mugs
Report AZ91 March 30, 2014 9:09 PM BST

Mar 30, 2014 -- 9:08PM, wisewords wrote:


what did he write?


'idedicate my win to az FROM BETFAIR BECAUSE WHENE EVERYONE ELSE ON FORUM DOUBTED ME HE BSUPPORTED ME'

Report n88uk March 30, 2014 9:09 PM BST

Mar 30, 2014 -- 9:05PM, mesmerised wrote:


Mar 30, 2014 --  8:02PM, n88uk wrote:Wtf are you talking about mesmerised.Why has Djokovic only led him one year in the head to head? Why does Nadal lead big matches 8-3?The last being the key. When it's really mattered, Nadal has still had his number time after time.Why do you keep going on about what happens in a year?the point is 7 major finals in row  including 3 slams and 4 majors over 11 months is domination in anyones book so fanboying nadal not being able to back is up is ridiculous.You said At the end of the day I would take Nadal in the biggest matches over Djokovic every day. - Djokoic has a better h2h record in finals, i'm not sure which part of that you're struggling with.


So you proof for why Djokovic is better is he dominated Nadal for 1 year in his career. What about the other 7 years Nadal dominated Djokovic over?

You are missing the part where all finals are the same. That finals stat includes irrelevant stuff like Beijing. A grand slam semi-final is far bigger than even a masters final. In grand slams, ie. when everything has been on the line Nadal leads 8-3. You can take your own conclusions from that.

Report edy March 30, 2014 9:09 PM BST
his message was way shorter than that
Report Slum Dog March 30, 2014 9:12 PM BST
novak doesnt needs boris, he doesnt need anyone interfering with his game
Report Slum Dog March 30, 2014 9:12 PM BST
his head even
Report n88uk March 30, 2014 9:12 PM BST
Will the media go for Djokovic if he gets back to number 1 while holding no grand slams?
Report Howdi March 30, 2014 9:13 PM BST
^^^^ zzzzzzzzzzz
Report edy March 30, 2014 9:15 PM BST

Mar 30, 2014 -- 9:12PM, n88uk wrote:


Will the media go for Djokovic if he gets back to number 1 while holding no grand slams?


yes

Report n88uk March 30, 2014 9:16 PM BST
Lol you know that isn't true Edy.
Report mesmerised March 30, 2014 9:17 PM BST
N88, I never said once that he is better overall,

I was talking about your quote that Novak has never dominated him which is clearly bollox after beating him 7 finals in row including 3 slam finals as well as having a better h2h record in finals,

The 8-3 slam finals thing, You are talking about the greatest of all time on clay - 5 of those 8 were on clay, 1 at wimbledon Novak retired, 1 at RG.
Report A_T March 30, 2014 9:19 PM BST
rafa will come back "refreshed" for the clay season Wink
Report n88uk March 30, 2014 9:20 PM BST
Mesmerised this was my full sentence:

Nadal still leads the head to head and apart from 2011, Djokovic has never really dominated him, and Nadal has won way too many of the big encounters.
Report n88uk March 30, 2014 9:21 PM BST
Eg. last year Djokovic in what should be his prime years still lost to Nadal in a grand slam final on hard court.
Report yyyy March 30, 2014 9:22 PM BST
shameful play by Nadal.
Report slip5 March 30, 2014 9:25 PM BST
nadal that brazillian mug
Report mesmerised March 30, 2014 9:25 PM BST
Nevermind the h2h you're going back to the days when they played 10 times by the time they were 21, Novak has progressed to much since then.

overall h2h is meaningless in some cases - Tim Henman beat Federer SIX times in a row when fed was inexpereinced, Federer won the next 7Laugh

The big encounters include masters finals as well as slams, and like I say the FO plays a big part in the slam record - nadal being the true goat on clay. Even these days Novak has got much closer to him on the surface, last year FO could have gone either way and he stopped RN from winning 8 MC 1000 in a row.


Last 9 finals = Novak 5-4
Report ;[p March 30, 2014 9:37 PM BST

Mar 30, 2014 -- 3:25PM, ;[p wrote:


novak to win easily


wetquoten

Report n88uk March 30, 2014 9:39 PM BST
It's meaningless in some cases. Henman and Federer were from a different generation. Nadal and Djokovic are from the same generation pretty much.

And I don't really include masters finals in the big encounters these days, especially since they moved to best of 3 sets. Best of 3 sets is really a total different ball game to best of 5 sets. Nadal is also notoriously a guy who peaks for grand slams.
Report bb66 March 30, 2014 9:41 PM BST
Djoker never in doubtCool
Report mesmerised March 30, 2014 9:58 PM BST
Nadal has won 26 masters titles more than anyone in history, he cares a lot about them and always peaks for them.

The overall h2h cannot be taken as gospel as who is actually better, surely you realise how simple that is, the pre 2011 Novak never had the same stomach for the fight with all the retirements, and then there was the whole diet/gluten thing he changed (yes possibly linked) and hasn't looked back.

The 7 final wins in a row is record in their match ups anyhow, Nadal has never beat home more than 5 times consecutively.

Semantics anyhow, people analyse the same thing and deduce from it the way they either want to or genuinely see it, latter for me as I'm no Novak fanboy or a Nadal hater.
Report slip5 March 30, 2014 10:06 PM BST
nadal will dominate the clay season
Report n88uk March 30, 2014 10:10 PM BST
That number is a little misleading in that Nadal has been able to rack up an incredible number on clay. You think about the others and often Nadal goes into them in bad shape (especially the post-USO ones). Nadal wins on clay even when below his best, I remember him being sub-par pretty much all clay season last year, yet he comes out with it with a F, W, W from the masters. He wouldn't get away with such a level on hard court.

And oh yer I agree overall head to head isn't everything, even just head to head's don't mean anything in context. Some people just have a better match up vs others.

On your last point, you are right, and I believe you. There are others with clear agenda's though.
Report mesmerised March 30, 2014 10:38 PM BST
He has never played well in Paris or the WTF because he is not a good indoors player. I would also hazard a guess Shanghai has not been his best performances because after 10 months on tennis playing the well he does, he's a little bit worn out. Lucky for the masters Clay court season in within he first 5 months but as for the overall GOAT status, the most boring in Tennis, I would say Barry Cowan deserves a shout, not many players have taken two sets of Sampras at Wimbledon.
Report yyyy March 31, 2014 6:21 AM BST
slip5   

nadal that brazillian mug

LaughLaughLaugh
Report SIR_Bond March 31, 2014 9:58 AM BST
Nadal will own the clay as always
Report SIR_Bond March 31, 2014 9:58 AM BST
Nadal will own the clay as always
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