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Il_migliore2011
22 May 13 12:43
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Having just seen Tipsarevic appear give up completely midway through the second set against Pella, it got me thinking about the tour's worst players mentally e.g. those that give up easily or get angry at themselves and start making unforced errors. Who would you say is the worst for this? Thinking mainly top 60 players..For me has to be Melzer or Verdasco.
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Report leefee May 22, 2013 12:46 PM BST
Na Li
Report Mike-lfc May 22, 2013 12:46 PM BST
Gublis.
Report jackplc May 22, 2013 1:01 PM BST
all good shouts. I'd say a WTA player is more likely.

Not usually mentally weak but Niculescu is in the process of tanking a 5-0 lead to lose a set
Report jackplc May 22, 2013 1:02 PM BST
gasquet?
Report leefee May 22, 2013 1:10 PM BST
Let's be honest, we could probably name about 45% of the wta players Grin
Report aaronh May 22, 2013 1:14 PM BST
Almagro
Report edy May 22, 2013 1:29 PM BST
Robin Haase has lost how many consecutive tiebreaks? ...Exactly!
Report aaronh May 22, 2013 1:36 PM BST
Report complexsimon May 22, 2013 1:48 PM BST
bartoli?
Report aaronh May 22, 2013 1:53 PM BST
Report jin_kazz May 22, 2013 2:12 PM BST
melzer and verdasco is a good pick for big mugs

but let's not forget about donald young and andrey golubev. but they're not in top 60
Report jin_kazz May 22, 2013 2:14 PM BST
and SAM QUERREY of course
Report AyersRock May 22, 2013 2:36 PM BST
Cilic
seppi
dolgo
fognini
granlleres
troicki
Report aaronh May 22, 2013 2:55 PM BST
Fognini is a beast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFUpHabJj5A
Report ;[p May 22, 2013 3:46 PM BST
gulbis
Report jin_kazz May 22, 2013 3:58 PM BST

May 22, 2013 -- 2:55PM, aaronh wrote:


Fognini is a beast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFUpHabJj5A


there is not a single choker in that list

troicki only, a bit

Report AyersRock May 22, 2013 3:58 PM BST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRmL_J5HNzE

gulbis meltdown
Report AyersRock May 22, 2013 3:59 PM BST
cilic didn't choke v andujar? dolgo chokes every weeks
Report jin_kazz May 22, 2013 3:59 PM BST
we're talking about chokes not tanks
Report AyersRock May 22, 2013 4:01 PM BST
you can call it a tank if you want
Report jin_kazz May 22, 2013 4:02 PM BST
you can call white black but it won't change things
Report AyersRock May 22, 2013 4:03 PM BST
it will if you see the opticians
Report jin_kazz May 22, 2013 4:05 PM BST
bla bla bla
Report AyersRock May 22, 2013 4:06 PM BST
black sheep
Report aaronh May 22, 2013 4:10 PM BST
Cilic is a bit of a choker, the rest I don't think so though, just mugs

Gulbis I don't think is mentally weak if we're going by the choker definition, just hot headed/unstable
Report jin_kazz May 22, 2013 4:10 PM BST
more like he's crazy like hell i'd say
Report jin_kazz May 22, 2013 4:11 PM BST
Report AyersRock May 22, 2013 4:13 PM BST
how does anyone know if someone is either chocking or tanking, chocking is having no bottle when the going gets touch, and imo thoe mentioned have bottled it one two many times,
Report jin_kazz May 22, 2013 4:19 PM BST
they do know that they're tanking when they're tanking
Report Hank Hill May 22, 2013 4:21 PM BST
No mention of PHM yet??
Report AyersRock May 22, 2013 4:25 PM BST
differentiated between a tank and bottler become easier when you look at the markets
Report edy May 22, 2013 4:51 PM BST
Nobody remembers the Davis Cup match that destroyed PHM's career, Hank Hill Sad
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? May 22, 2013 5:26 PM BST
Tipsarevic is quite reliable usually, but I would choose Mathieu and Haase.
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? May 22, 2013 5:27 PM BST
The odds on Hajek seem very good at the moment considering he won the first set so easily.
Report mouse trap May 22, 2013 5:44 PM BST
Govortsova in top 3
Report madverassocks May 22, 2013 6:26 PM BST
Melzer for the blokes and women it has to be the queen herself Mad Vera, closely followed by Kerber who makes it into my list solely because Aggy made her cry in a game and then she just quit and gave up in the 2nd set LaughLaugh
Report Footiefan111 May 22, 2013 6:54 PM BST
john isner
Report BBC12 May 23, 2013 7:07 PM BST
flipkens
Report aaronh May 23, 2013 7:11 PM BST
**the last player I lost money on** is the correct answer to this thread
Report AZ91 May 23, 2013 7:13 PM BST
GILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLES SIMMMMMMMMMMMUG
Report ;[p May 23, 2013 7:16 PM BST
ffs this thread going predictable way,whoever lose o the day will be mentioned here untill we gather full wta and atp list
Report aaronh May 23, 2013 7:20 PM BST
Laugh
Report AZ91 May 23, 2013 7:27 PM BST
Laugh
Report AZ91 May 23, 2013 7:27 PM BST
im sure its just a coincidence that these players lost today/yesterday
Report hornetsman May 23, 2013 8:14 PM BST
Mugfils
Report DNFM May 23, 2013 8:47 PM BST
here
Report lurka May 23, 2013 8:48 PM BST
depends on the opponent for some players eg ferrer, almagro against nadal (or any of the top 4 really). They can play better for 2.5 sets and then bottle it every time - eg almagro v ferrer in the AO this year. Also shara v serena.

You can't say any higher ranked player losing this week is mentally weak. mentally smart more like, particularly when rain delays make 2 matches a day more likely. Worst way to prepare for a slam so tanking is smart. Mugro and wawa are mentally weak in that they nearly always allow their opponent back into the match after going ahead. Melzer too. Kvitova would be up with the top 3 women if she wasn't so mentally weak.
Report aaronh May 23, 2013 9:15 PM BST
see with Almagro, he is more than good enough to compete with the top players, and especially Ferrer.

he destroyed him for 2 and 1/2 sets as you say, then was embarrassing choking a break lead 2(3?) times

isn't your average mug zoning, then failing to serve it out when it matters
Report jin_kazz May 23, 2013 9:40 PM BST
kvitova is very inconsistent. 95% of wta are choking every other week

it's pretty clear that topic starter meant ATP, not WTA ffs
Report Vasek May 23, 2013 9:53 PM BST
I agree with those who named Almagro but would say this is choking when there is pressure on him rather than choking from a winning position. We all know Berdych is also a choker, able to lose from a clear lead and then over some moment that disturbs him mentally (close call, moving ad banners, people walking in the crowd, etc.) he loses the plot and loses the match as a result.
Report jin_kazz May 23, 2013 10:09 PM BST
i guess they're all mental giants comparing to Sam Querrey

he proved this today one more time - not a single bp for Vaselin in first 2 sets, 5-6 holds to 0 till last set and then he lost tb and lost final set 6-1

his recent loss to Gulbis when he was leading in final set 5-1 or 5-2 - epic choke. then he was leading in final set tie break but made 2 DFs in a row.

epic, epic choker SAM
Report Joker SVK May 23, 2013 10:25 PM BST
TROICKI !!! Wink
Report MagicMarat May 24, 2013 11:28 PM BST
It's the usual suspects of course, and for me, I'd agree with a few of you and say Nicolas Almagro wins by a clear head. Not just in Slams either. His defeat to Juergen Melzer on clay last year (was it Rome?, I forget)for anyone who also saw it was pure joy. His mental disintegration was hilarious. No financial interest in that match for me, simply I find Almagro an extremely difficult person to like. I'm sure I'm not alone. Happy
Report aaronh June 2, 2013 4:48 PM BST
Plain
Report bb66 June 2, 2013 4:56 PM BST
I think he's one of the most disliked on the tour
Report aaronh June 2, 2013 5:02 PM BST
There is no bigger choker than Mugro and he proved it once more
Report bb66 June 2, 2013 5:04 PM BST
remember him having a dispute with Simon even back in 2006 Valencia final
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