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Parera 1.18 8-0 h2h 3-0 on clay never lost set to Stanislav , the price is a joke
im rafa fan and i used to watch all his matches for years, i know he is dominating all the mugs but for me he clearly isnt on this level he was before injury break. making much more errors doesnt hit as many spectacular shots and often gets wrong footed. anyways it doesnt matter .
rafa tihis year struggled to those players(lost sets or match) :
zeballos--- lost final in 3 sets clay
berlocq -3 sets in brasil clay
alund - 3 sets brasil clay
ernie gulbis , juhan m del potty- hard court indian wells im taking it out of equation
dimitrov 3 sets in monte carlo
djokovic lost final in monte carlo 2 sets
ferrer 3 sets madrid
all of those players, if im not mistaken ,off the top of my head, have great (preferably one handed) backhand . yes my theory is those players put rafa into trouble because they can match(sort of) his current forehand in rallies and not getting dominated on current basic.
then wawa backhand (i said gasquet once before but not sure now) is one of the deadliest shots on clay , he can create so much top spin that its difficult to cope with if its land around baseline. but on the top of that he can create massive angles from wide shots rafa can punch to the right side of the court and with the huge pace its massive weapon. then rafa forehand can be feed with it and counter-punch with some awesomeness but he lack of that imo after the injury.
so adding 2+2 im laying rafa here and also going for small punt on wawa 2-0 but it wont happen due to mental stratification between their respectable mentality strength(just a cheeky lay to gloate on forum for ages from then on)
good luck with your bets people and keep this fred on topic with many cats and other favourable pets on the random basic(preferably hidden in spoilers)
sorry rafa you remain the goat of the goats anyways (little madrid tank would be widely appreciated by yours true fan ;[p)
(lets see if one match thread will work, comments welcomed)
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im rafa fan and i used to watch all his matches for years, i know he is dominating all the mugs but for me he clearly isnt on this level he was before injury break. making much more errors doesnt hit as many spectacular shots and often gets wrong footed. anyways it doesnt matter .
rafa tihis year struggled to those players(lost sets or match) :
zeballos--- lost final in 3 sets clay
berlocq -3 sets in brasil clay
alund - 3 sets brasil clay
ernie gulbis , juhan m del potty- hard court indian wells im taking it out of equation
dimitrov 3 sets in monte carlo
djokovic lost final in monte carlo 2 sets
ferrer 3 sets madrid
all of those players, if im not mistaken ,off the top of my head, have great (preferably one handed) backhand . yes my theory is those players put rafa into trouble because they can match(sort of) his current forehand in rallies and not getting dominated on current basic.
then wawa backhand (i said gasquet once before but not sure now) is one of the deadliest shots on clay , he can create so much top spin that its difficult to cope with if its land around baseline. but on the top of that he can create massive angles from wide shots rafa can punch to the right side of the court and with the huge pace its massive weapon. then rafa forehand can be feed with it and counter-punch with some awesomeness but he lack of that imo after the injury.
so adding 2+2 im laying rafa here and also going for small punt on wawa 2-0 but it wont happen due to mental stratification between their respectable mentality strength(just a cheeky lay to gloate on forum for ages from then on)
good luck with your bets people and keep this fred on topic with many cats and other favourable pets on the random basic(preferably hidden in spoilers)
sorry rafa you remain the goat of the goats anyways (little madrid tank would be widely appreciated by yours true fan ;[p)
(lets see if one match thread will work, comments welcomed)
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i understand that in rafa matches there were also other mugs with good or even superb backhands like mugro who is mugro and no weapon can help him, paire who got to the tb but lost as he usually does , youzny berlmug again or kohly but it just happend rafa dominated them as he use to
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he won't tank, points could be crucial for overtaking Ferrer to be seeded #4 in RG
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it may appear that stanley didnt played best match against berdy trough all the course of it but he showed more than only tennis skills,something he usually lacked in his career which is mental strength, yeah German genes, edy will say and i may agree with him. he is mature player now and has not much weakness in his game,downwards from under his ears level. he showed it not only yesterday against player in form like berdy,but also against two other one rising star of atp dimi dimitrov and old fox tsonga who wawa had very negative h2h on hes best surface(wawas) and not the best of tsongas. thats telling, he may be knackered little bit but i said before he is very strong man (especially in his inner core edy will approve again)
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If only all opening fred's with pre-game analisys were like this, very thourough and weighing and evaluating both sides. The difficult part is imo to ignore the pros of the oposing part to our favorite player (or pick) and/or over infatuate our picked player strengths when doing pre-match analisys.
Agree with most of it and when was about to disagree - about the nadal's topspin forehand not being enough to handle the fast single handed backhand (usually with wide angles) from waw - you made the point that it can actually work to favour nadal. What I mean and think is that it's crucial in order to one of the guys get advantage over the other on rallies is who gets to control it first, and on that nadal's side (experience, freshness, speed) has to be favoured. What i didn't like about nadal during this torn was he strugling on serve, mainly against ferru (as 'bad' as 2011? cause in 2012 before his intermission i felt that he was puting a betert effort on it?); and also his last resort slicing backhand (got 2 brilliant winners one against ferru and another against Andujar but it won't cover the other many UE or lost rallies hencefoward that shot). What about motivation and drive? Nadal will want the points more - lost 500 to Djoker in MC and maybe will do him good for RG seedings (too late me thinks, though); while waw might have just had a good enough run, reaching top ten and facing a nemesis, to whom no one, not even him, will come as shock. Serve wise Stan has the weapon, but requires much concentration and throughout the match he will be prone to just not keep it up... My pick Nadal, hoping for better odds in play or even for Stan to get first set. |
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no no i didnt mean his forehand cant handle backhands but some of those like novaks double hander best in the game, but also one handers which creating wider angle than dbl can sustain rafas forehand as it is not working like used to. i have seen rafa live few times and his wrist is just i never seen before in my life,you just cant see the movement of the racquet sometimes , really and i saw him form like second row behind, for me atm his forehand is not that accurate and as consistent in closeing in to the line as it was before and has bit les whip in it, just my impression im sure hes working on it most. point is those bachands arent that much pushed with his forehand to open court
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*to open the court for rafa as often as before
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i may be so much wrong and it will be train,bebe will laugh
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Magnus Norman's handwriting is all over Wawa this season.
And you just have to love the guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PWCG1LXT3c While the video is quite funny, it also says a lot about Wawa's mental state at the pinnacle of the match. |
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i cant understand this language whats that serbian
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french :)
and it's translated below the video |
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ok
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Stan : When I speak with you, I feel good, I play better ... What ?
Referee : I concentrate Stan : You're concentrate, That good, you don't make mistakes Stan: We see you in tv, Smile ! |
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still cant get it
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this french must be damn difficult to translate to normal languages
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it may be that i didnt watched last set so dont feel what was going on there
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like a bully or like gulbis
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or like aza
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i would ask many questions but dont want to spam my glorious wining thread
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Years ago there were posters here who took the time to open threads with in depth analysis, but if they were even slightly wrong they were ridiculed by the children on here and did'nt bother again.
Very good effort with the opening post of this thread ;[p, good luck with your bets. I think Wawrinka's only chance is to catch Nadal on an off day (pretty rare in finals, but it does happen) and to play to the best of his ability. Thought Nadal would be shorter than 1.18 given that Wawrinka has had two roller coaster rides in his last matches and emotionally (mentally) he may struggle. |
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thanks i think rafa should be around 1.35 here.seriously
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'This forum is dead!'
Long live the forum! |
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I really hope you are right smb360 (btw that is a shocking cat pic, but I am thinking that's why you chose it).
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Good lord :[p - you seriously can create fabulous analysis like this with a sore head?? Buy the chap a gallon of whatever he drinks :)
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it gonna be something like today's wta final
easy peasy for mugdull |
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I tend to agree it's a forgone conclusion - but, the match may produce far better opportunities in play
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yeah, great opening post p. good luck with your bets.
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yeah i hate gallons after yesterday. lets not drag about ,im here few years. thanks caramba but hope it will work out,not often opposing rafa tbh
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;[p you might be in luck, Half Loser has just tipped Rafa, let's see if this guy is a rival to good old Money Tree
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Was going to post this in sexeh girls but it seems gone, so this will have to do. It's from Rafa/Fed match here in Madrid in 2011 I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjBdftkftwI a) Ballgirl should not try a career as courtsider b) Her ballgirl friend makes the funniest faces at her at the end of the clip. |
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good effort on the initial analysis ;[p, it was an interesting read...i agree with nearly everything you've said. I would like to point out that indeed it did take 3 sets in the first clay tournaments vs alund zeballos and berlocq, however the physical state he was in at the time is nowhere near as good as the physical state he is in now and so therefore i don't think it's fair to justify a 3 setter based on those 3 matches. on the other hand, i very much agree with wawa's very good starts and competitiveness this tournament so far, IMO being the real catalyst for getting to the final...and for this reason i do think WAWA will get the better start, 1.16 on nadal (considering how he's playing combined with the excellent starts wawa makes in his matches) is absurd... i think a nadal lay to start off with followed up with a back when odds rise to around 1.7X - 2. If wawa takes the first set...price should be around 1.8X at which point i will back nadal.
Good luck all |
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Nadal decided to receive first
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after winning coin toss
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i realllly hope wawa takes 1st set...excellent odds on nadal to take it...if he takes the 2nd...the tourny is his....wawa will be knackered (having played 9 matches of the last 10 days)
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nadal's knee has heavier tapping around it than in MC, hasn't it
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Probably some new superstition. Every time he wins a match, he wraps the tape around his knee one more time.
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birdman did it again and stan beat the odds. would love to see stan here today without the weight of the 3 setters on his legs, though.