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Standard is ridiculous so far compared to some of the dross on show here this week.
I dont expect price to drop much more until the end of the set, so a lay should be free bet
yeah he's pretty confident here 'coz he's 2 times champion
Wow, just look at this tourney's history!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAP_Open
Owner sold the venue!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAP_Open
Owner sold the venue!
Raonic will do some damage next year when he goes to Rotterdam instead. Commentator just made a good point - imagine him at the O2. I hope he can make the race, it would be good to see him at the tour finals.
problem for him is that he's not showing this tennis in other places
Raonic at the moment reminds me of a flat-track bully. He looks an outstanding player until he plays one of the top players and he's shown up for his limitations.
early days but raonic faced only one break point whole week and he already getting to the hass in every game, i would think he will serve it out or get one more break and he will start off the block again in second set
this is his level remember, he has done nothing at grand slam level remember
This is like keeper trying to defend penalty, you have to guess the side where he's serve is gonna go 
Raonic's serve is ludicrous. They are going to have to change the rules because there is too much power in tennis now. These serves make a mockery of the sport.
breaking serve remember? you're supposed to have a good serve... if not dont play tennis
i have 748 green on roanic, what about everyone else huh??
I don't think it was a dumb comment at all. Imagine if they start using even faster courts, racquets, balls etc and suddenly Raonic is hitting 160mph serves all the time.
We don't want to get to the point where good serving is virtually unreturnable. How many times do people on here complain about players being boring, useless etc because they only have talent for serving? If tennis leans too much towards serving then it will become dominated by servebots with basketballer physiques, and the sport will become very boring and lose a lot of fans.
Raonic's serving at this tournament is right at the very limit of what is acceptable imo.
We don't want to get to the point where good serving is virtually unreturnable. How many times do people on here complain about players being boring, useless etc because they only have talent for serving? If tennis leans too much towards serving then it will become dominated by servebots with basketballer physiques, and the sport will become very boring and lose a lot of fans.
Raonic's serving at this tournament is right at the very limit of what is acceptable imo.
Love these servebot matches. Odds haven't moved for about 20 minutes.
smb360 so you're not allowed to have a powerfull serve in a sport where the goal is to hold serve? Its like dont let a tall player play basketball
You're deliberately manipulating my argument in an absurd manner there. Please engage your brain.
Didn't they make the balls at Wimbledon slower a few years aog to try and negate the effect of big servers?
smb360 some people want faster courts and balls to have "variety"
FORTUNALELY tennis has ballance the other way ,everything got bit slower to let the one element not dominate too much
FORTUNALELY tennis has ballance the other way ,everything got bit slower to let the one element not dominate too much
not much entertaining element which supposed to be only the way to let the ball to play. tenis is not about breaking serve lol.
tenis is about winning games
tenis is about winning games
roanic would have broken there if he really needed to, he toyed with haas in that game
Every game held to 15 or 30, Haas has a bunch of points on return.
Raonic has lost at least one point on his first serve. Not sure it's more than one though.
With ATP scoreboard you could get the info before to look at the last matches, it`s still out now though.
yep i missheard commentators raonic lost 8 points on his servre so far
Feb 17, 2013 -- 6:06PM, Darlo Bantam wrote:
Raonic has lost at least one point on his first serve. Not sure it's more than one though.
hes 22 you idiot
Sigh. Do I really have to spell it out?
'Developments in racquet technology and faster balls and courts mean that the best servers now consistently serve at speeds of over 160mph. The world #1 and #2 recently contested the US Open Final in a four hour match, where in each of the five sets there was not a single break point. Player #1 won 7-6 6-7 7-6 6-7 7-6. Both players served more than 80 aces.
Only 500 people were in the crowd, and it is estimated that less than 50,000 people watched the match on television around the world. The sport has lost its appeal amongst both fans and sponsors, meaning that there is very little money in the sport any more and the winner of the US Open will take home just $10,000.'
This is an example of the kind of thing that could happen to the sport if if the balls start moving faster and the majority of players become capable of producing serving better than Raonic does at this tournament. The sport cannot afford to let players use equipment that enable them to serve any better than Raonic is doing here. As it is, Raonic is only being broken 2% of the time at this tournament. Imagine if every single player was capable of holding between 97-100% of the time.
The sport would almost die.
'Developments in racquet technology and faster balls and courts mean that the best servers now consistently serve at speeds of over 160mph. The world #1 and #2 recently contested the US Open Final in a four hour match, where in each of the five sets there was not a single break point. Player #1 won 7-6 6-7 7-6 6-7 7-6. Both players served more than 80 aces.
Only 500 people were in the crowd, and it is estimated that less than 50,000 people watched the match on television around the world. The sport has lost its appeal amongst both fans and sponsors, meaning that there is very little money in the sport any more and the winner of the US Open will take home just $10,000.'
This is an example of the kind of thing that could happen to the sport if if the balls start moving faster and the majority of players become capable of producing serving better than Raonic does at this tournament. The sport cannot afford to let players use equipment that enable them to serve any better than Raonic is doing here. As it is, Raonic is only being broken 2% of the time at this tournament. Imagine if every single player was capable of holding between 97-100% of the time.
The sport would almost die.
Feb 17, 2013 -- 6:12PM, smb360 wrote:
Sigh. Do I really have to spell it out?'Developments in racquet technology and faster balls and courts mean that the best servers now consistently serve at speeds of over 160mph. The world #1 and #2 recently contested the US Open Final in a four hour match, where in each of the five sets there was not a single break point. Player #1 won 7-6 6-7 7-6 6-7 7-6. Both players served more than 80 aces.Only 500 people were in the crowd, and it is estimated that less than 50,000 people watched the match on television around the world. The sport has lost its appeal amongst both fans and sponsors, meaning that there is very little money in the sport any more and the winner of the US Open will take home just $10,000.'This is an example of the kind of thing that could happen to the sport if if the balls start moving faster and the majority of players become capable of producing serving better than Raonic does at this tournament. The sport cannot afford to let players use equipment that enable them to serve any better than Raonic is doing here. As it is, Raonic is only being broken 2% of the time at this tournament. Imagine if every single player was capable of holding between 97-100% of the time.The sport would almost die.
spell it out??????? but she listened to a song saying i need you i miss you when i came back......and not to mention the constant and inatant deep reactions i got from her thereafter........oh the confusion of it all.......
Feb 17, 2013 -- 6:17PM, Darlo Bantam wrote:
How on earth is Haas going to win this?
Get to a tiebreak and PRAY.
cmmon milos break him and we can head to the all star game
I know it's only a 34-year-old Tommy Haas (and the match last night against a one-dimensional Sam Querrey) but Milos Raonic looks like he's made giant strides from last season.
He's spending his return games deciding which deity is most likely to answer his prayer.
Feb 17, 2013 -- 6:21PM, ;[p wrote:
cmmon milos break him and we can head to the all star game
Cheers p. I thought that was tomorrow night.
Agreed but the key thing is whether he can reproduce this outdoors.
Raonic has extremely powerful shots, but also has large margin on the shots, especially net clearance. Other big hitters like Berd or delPo have less margin. Raonic mi**** more though.
gsm
raonic looking aggressive here on return and it was what he was lacking lately, but is normal he had deep in form like every player has, and during that period you can see that he was practicing his footwork and hitting on the run ,he doesnt looking like wooden log like few months back, good progress for him
raonic looking aggressive here on return and it was what he was lacking lately, but is normal he had deep in form like every player has, and during that period you can see that he was practicing his footwork and hitting on the run ,he doesnt looking like wooden log like few months back, good progress for him
Yes, he's improved a lot. Watched him tear Kohli apart live at the AO. He didn't stand a chance.
"At 15 he was doing calculus". Erm, isn't it part of UK national syllabus before then?
Yeah, he keeps getting better. Top 8 this year, maybe top 5 or 6?
raonic faced 1 breakpoint this week having 23 bp himself so far , thats sums it up
Feb 17, 2013 -- 6:30PM, Darlo Bantam wrote:
"At 15 he was doing calculus". Erm, isn't it part of UK national syllabus before then?
Nope, AS Level (17 year olds).
Looking forward to Haas` press conference or comments, hear what he thinks.
Feb 17, 2013 -- 6:31PM, smb360 wrote:
Feb 18, 2013 -- 12:30AM, Darlo Bantam wrote:"At 15 he was doing calculus". Erm, isn't it part of UK national syllabus before then?Nope, AS Level (17 year olds).
Changed since my day then.
I thought about 2-0 today but just went with the MO, total annihilation that was.
Looks like he's put on a fair bit of muscle. Going to be a brutal fast court player.
well done milos, maybe not always exciting but at least working hard progressing and making most of his talent
unlike some other young plonkers like tomic janovicz dimi etc. waste of talent
You're right there. His game oozes with effort on and off the court.
Some of that hitting was brutal. Great to see a talent try off court to be all that they can be. Tomic, take note!
Haas saying it's some of the heaviest hitting he's ever played against. Would like to know the speed of some of those forehands, reminded me of Del Potro at the US when he won. Raonic is the first player I've seen in a long time who I've seen as a potential GS winner.
watch him play on a not so fast court and u won't be sayin that.
Until he actually gets to a grand slam. Fair play though, he looks like he's getting better all the time.
watch the 2012 us open match raonic v murray it was 3-0 annihilation. raonic is the tennis equivalent of a cricketing flat track bully. the slam surfaces are no where near as quick as the sap open was.
anybody watched the match? why haasa lost it? errors, mug mode or something else?
Raonic is improving. Watch Federer rip Djoko a new one in Aus then lose to him next year, same with Del Potro. He is improving, maybe he won't be good enough but a season is a huge time for up and coming players.
well raonic beat mugro murray and lost tight match to ferrer last yr in barcelona on clay
yeah smb slagging him because he need to change attitude and work harder, he has faster serve than milos but obviously need to put more effort to got it in raONIC CONSISTENCY, ALL ABUT TRAINING, I BELIEVE HE NEED A TIME TO ESTABLISH HIMSELF but need to progress step by step get the head down and work, he knows that but he is stubborn mofo, but i know he will make it eventually
yeah smb slagging him because he need to change attitude and work harder, he has faster serve than milos but obviously need to put more effort to got it in raONIC CONSISTENCY, ALL ABUT TRAINING, I BELIEVE HE NEED A TIME TO ESTABLISH HIMSELF but need to progress step by step get the head down and work, he knows that but he is stubborn mofo, but i know he will make it eventually
Think I am going to have to re-assess my opinion of Raonic, its costing me too much opposing him.
Opposed him here and big time in the Aussie with Koleschriber who normally handles big servers OK.
I think I was took in by the way Fed toyed with Raonic, but that was Fed.
Opposed him here and big time in the Aussie with Koleschriber who normally handles big servers OK.
I think I was took in by the way Fed toyed with Raonic, but that was Fed.
seems that he is starting to brake people and dont need TB's anymore.
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