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Jan 25, 2013 -- 12:35PM, HonkyJoe wrote:
Fact is, Djoko is slightly better overall than Murray. And to add to that, when it comes to the big points Murray will fold. Unless Djoko's having a serious off day (like the US Open Final), he'll win.
So when Djokovic folds on the big points it is an off day but when Murray does it he is a choker?
That Turkish Airlines commercial is funny. Of course, expectations were low after the one with Woz.
Says something for the size of their aeroplanes that Kobe doesn't look utterly ridiculous sitting down.
Until he wins a Grand Slam featuring Federer, Djokovic AND Nadal I don't think he'll have really succeeded
Edy, there might be a curse as nofx mentioned the other day.
JamDav, Djoko is very strong on the big points. Murray isn't. So yeah, it would be an off day.
Curse??? Curse????? What curse? I don't read the forum as much anymore.
S & A, so if he beats Djoko in the final, you'll say he still hasn't succeeded???
Come on Fed, one break and get it to the final set tiebreak
Jan 25, 2013 -- 12:37PM, HonkyJoe wrote:
JamDav, Djoko is very strong on the big points. Murray isn't.
Remember...Even though Murray beat Djoko at the US...He had to do it in 5 sets, with a fresher Andy and even then most sets Andy won were close.
So now we are talking about a more tired Andy coming into the final. Djoko will be a justified fav.
So now we are talking about a more tired Andy coming into the final. Djoko will be a justified fav.
Curse after being involed in a commercial. There was one with Gillette a few years ago, Henry in handball scandal, Woods and his sex scandal and Fed started to decline. There might be something similar with Turkish Airlines with Woz career going downhill as well as Kobe's Lakers. Too early to say, but something to keep an eye on.
Of course Djokovic will be favourite he is the better player.
now he'll go all out for a chance to not have to serve for the match and probably get it 
5-2*, looks like Murray is saving the choke for the next service game
Woz's commercial was first shown at the beginning of last year. And then she went heavily into decline.
ever since woz had been going out with Rory , her career has taken a nose dive ,whilst he's winning majors for fun
Jan 25, 2013 -- 12:40PM, caramba wrote:Curse after being involed in a commercial. There was one with Gillette a few years ago, Henry in handball scandal, Woods and his sex scandal and Fed started to decline. There might be something similar with Turkish Airlines with Woz career going downhill as well as Kobe's Lakers. Too early to say, but something to keep an eye on.
think turkish is only trying to wink mostly american and european market targets
A few other players have stepped up and become good, Nicky. Woz was only keeping the Number One position warm until a decent player came alone.
"the whole of great britain will be over the moon if andy murray can make to his 3rd australian open final"
and if he doesn't, it's only the scots that will be disappointed.
and if he doesn't, it's only the scots that will be disappointed.
i wonder when fed will eventually retire ?? maybe after this years wimbledon
Murray has a really cool Head commercial with an awesome song made by a Berlin-based independent musician. He hasn't gone downhill one bit since then.
I think it's only Turkish Airlines which is evil.
I think it's only Turkish Airlines which is evil.
Messi i meant. he almost got seriously injured and taken off on stretcher right after that unholy campaign started
He will be a bigger fav than he might've been had this not gone to a 5th..I think djoko will be around 4/11 in final vs Murray
Head seems to be the exception. Djoko also doing well.
GSM ANDY MUGGRAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
don't like to see great sportspeople having a 'fat elvis' period like this
muzza
the most muted celebration against Federer ever, nap..
Says a lot when Fed can play poorly at 31 and still take Murray to 5. GOAT
hopefully fed retires with his dignity intact , thats what i meant to say
fed has never had to contend with guys like these before, but he is not too old to win a slam aain, just don't think he could be arsed with all the effort
GOAT done good today. Murray's head still not screwed on right.
Not sure Fed could ever sustain the intensity for as long as he'll need to.
Djoko and Murray have just taken tennis to a different level. Fed could probably never have competed.
Djokovic and Murray only took it to that level because Federer and Nadal were such unbeatable foes on the big stage.
'Take my word, it's probably better that you didn't see it.'
WTF Courirer. He is so self absorbed in these interviews.
WTF Courirer. He is so self absorbed in these interviews.
Jan 25, 2013 -- 12:48PM, edy wrote:
Djokovic and Murray only took it to that level because Federer and Nadal were such unbeatable foes on the big stage.
so true, that's what so many people fail to understand
The longer this goes on just confirms Fed is the best and greatest ever. Fed 7 years past his best still competing and pushing the others at their peak to the limit. Djok/Murray are lucky they didn't have young Fed in their era, otherwise we'd be labeling them another Hewitt or Safin
embarassing from Fed - Murray was set to implode but he still didn't take advantage.
he is finnish now.
he is finnish now.
Murray doing the smile and wave to camera after he signs it now...He isn't Federer ffs
Djoka to pop muzzas locks in the final.
Too bad there wasn't much important tennis going on when Gangnam had it's peak. We would've seen plenty of Gangnam-Style celebration dances.
Best player on the day won the match deservedly. Federer must be thinking about retiring soon after that, not because he was beaten, but the injuries are starting to creep in. Go out on top. Just got a little profit of €30 after backing and laying back on Murray mid match. @therhino....hope you made a nice profit.
Djok/Murray are lucky they didn't have young Fed in their era, otherwise we'd be labeling them another Hewitt or Safin
djok murray have fed and nadal in their era and each other also ,not stopping them to go for slams, comparing hewitt and safin to those two is a joke
djok murray have fed and nadal in their era and each other also ,not stopping them to go for slams, comparing hewitt and safin to those two is a joke
you could also turn that around and say if Fed was 25 and these guys were around at the same age that Fed wouldn't have won as much as he did.
the whole ManUre squad, what's the last time they won anything..? 
Youssou N'Dour, hasn't had a hit since 1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTXSbFiii-0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTXSbFiii-0
thank gawd they didn't make Caro sing it she would be out of top 100
fed should defo consider retirement. The great man is a legend but longer he goes getting beat by muzza, djocko and possibly nadal depending how bad knees r the more people guna question his record. i already question would he hav won half as many with them 3 wer around wen he was in his pomp
Muzza has raised his game to a new level now. It was only Fed's instinctive match toughness & android-like play in tie-breakers that forced it to 5. Muzza essentially tore Fed a new one today in terms of shot-making & all court play. Great to see.
fed will never retire while he's still winning slams and making the last 4 easy ffs
and he'll continue to make semis at least for a few years yet
and he'll continue to make semis at least for a few years yet
End of the day, Murray still isn't there. Federer was well below his best, yet he pushed Murray to 5.
Murray still mentally inept in the tight points in sets, both the breakers and when he served for it at 6-5.
Murray only won the 5th so easily due to Federer's lack of fitness, or whatever. His level just wasn't there for him in the 5th.
When Nadal does eventually come back, Murray will then return to having to beat two out of three in slams, rather than one out of two. (Albeit, he has had to beat two out of two this slam.)
It is up to Federer, he can quite easily sustain a top 4 ranking for the next 3/4 years as the level of #5 and below is nowhere near the level of the top 4 (Nadal included in top 4, not Ferrer). It is just wether Federer is happy with getting to QF/SF in majors and winning minor events, or wether he really thinks that he has a chance to hang on until Rio.
IMO, he will always have an outside chance at going all the way again, as he goes through the first four rounds so easily.
Murray still mentally inept in the tight points in sets, both the breakers and when he served for it at 6-5.
Murray only won the 5th so easily due to Federer's lack of fitness, or whatever. His level just wasn't there for him in the 5th.
When Nadal does eventually come back, Murray will then return to having to beat two out of three in slams, rather than one out of two. (Albeit, he has had to beat two out of two this slam.)
It is up to Federer, he can quite easily sustain a top 4 ranking for the next 3/4 years as the level of #5 and below is nowhere near the level of the top 4 (Nadal included in top 4, not Ferrer). It is just wether Federer is happy with getting to QF/SF in majors and winning minor events, or wether he really thinks that he has a chance to hang on until Rio.
IMO, he will always have an outside chance at going all the way again, as he goes through the first four rounds so easily.
or whatever
fed always bottles it in the 5th
and muz was hardly inept at 6-5
federer played unreal returns
fed always bottles it in the 5th
and muz was hardly inept at 6-5
federer played unreal returns
Murray won fair and square. Fed is not in his prime and he didn't play anything close to resembling that very prime. Murray has choke, a lot more then Djokovic. Nadal is injured/ recovering from injury/ prone to injury
things as they is ^
move along
things as they is ^
move along
welshie but how fit is rafa? i dont really no to be honest. if he aint fit rog is no 3 clearly
I think Nadal has been wise coming back on clay, see how his knee and fitness is on his favored surface and take it from there.
He would then only have IW and Miami before the clay swing and then Wimbledon.
I think we will see him back to his best around about RG.
Don't think he can compete with Djoko/Murray on hard anymore but clay and grass he will still be challenging IMO.
He would then only have IW and Miami before the clay swing and then Wimbledon.
I think we will see him back to his best around about RG.
Don't think he can compete with Djoko/Murray on hard anymore but clay and grass he will still be challenging IMO.
HTEHB - he was inept at 6-5 30-15, the serves were coming in around 80mph... I could hit dominating returns, with the serve at that pace.
He had been serving great throughout the match on a whole and then come 6-5 after coming back from 4-1 down he just choked like his old self.
Had Federer of had more in the tank, I really do believe he would've pushed Murray to the point where he choked again.
As always, this is all hypothetical...
He had been serving great throughout the match on a whole and then come 6-5 after coming back from 4-1 down he just choked like his old self.
Had Federer of had more in the tank, I really do believe he would've pushed Murray to the point where he choked again.
As always, this is all hypothetical...
welshie nadal will strugle on grass also tho. hardcourts r a no no with his knees but so is grass
Welshie5121 25 Jan 13 14:13 Joined: 09 Dec 10 | Topic/replies: 4,106 | Blogger: Welshie5121's blog
End of the day, Murray still isn't there. Federer was well below his best, yet he pushed Murray to 5
let us know when he does get there won't you welshie.
if 3 slam finals on the trot isn't "getting there" then very few have ever made it.
by the way where exactly is "there???"
mind you this comes from a poster who once told the forum that serena williams would be ranked about 50 on the mens tour so not really an opinion to take too much notice of.
End of the day, Murray still isn't there. Federer was well below his best, yet he pushed Murray to 5
let us know when he does get there won't you welshie.
if 3 slam finals on the trot isn't "getting there" then very few have ever made it.
by the way where exactly is "there???"
mind you this comes from a poster who once told the forum that serena williams would be ranked about 50 on the mens tour so not really an opinion to take too much notice of.
can anyone please confirm what were the lowest odds on Fed during the entire 5 sets?
Welshie. Ifs and buts; ifs and buts. .........
It is up to Federer, he can quite easily sustain a top 4 ranking for the next 3/4 years as the level of #5 and below is nowhere near the level of the top 4 (Nadal included in top 4, not Ferrer). It is just wether Federer is happy with getting to QF/SF in majors and winning minor events, or wether he really thinks that he has a chance to hang on until Rio.
+ fed is making 50+ million a year of sponsors:)
+ fed is making 50+ million a year of sponsors:)
Mugray won because Fed had a tough QF, while DelPo fell to Chadry, if he had to play 5 sets in QF as well it could (and probably would) have gone the other way.
Jan 27, 2013 -- 6:33PM, bb66 wrote:
Mugray won because Fed had a tough QF, while DelPo fell to Chadry, if he had to play 5 sets in QF as well it could (and probably would) have gone the other way.
do you want to say that everyone would win who would be in murray's place against fed in this semifinal?
really? come on..
typical that a whole host of excuses get made for fed when he loses.
is murray entitled to make excuses for the final? fair play to him that he didn't even when they were suggested to him.
is murray entitled to make excuses for the final? fair play to him that he didn't even when they were suggested to him.
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