Murray at 1.35

Simple. All sports should provide an open list of any drugs ban. No failed test should ever be kept silent.

that's right DStyle. the bottom line is that the testing regime is easy to get around and the authorities do not want a djok or nadal testing positive. it would ruin the rep and cost millions in sponsorship. So it is even less likely that you'll find out about a doper

if i had a gun to my head and had to pick the most likely candidate in the top 10, it would be the serb.

there are too many readily provided explanations: the gluten free diet; the weird altitude training pod.

murray posted videos of him doing absurd masochistic fitness training in miami during the off season.

I don't hink he can take 4r too :(

I dont agree Darlo, players can fail tests and be innocent, and then they appeal the decision, win, but their reputation is ruined.

errani and ferrer have links to dr. del moral (armstrong/US Postal TDF Doctor) and the tennis val acedemy. She has had an uncanny rise the last year after years or mediocrity. Sharapova apparently has gone there to practice for a month before the FO the last couple of years

Hmm. Maybe. Certainly no ban should ever be kept silent.

errani, bratchikova and niculescu have all set off my spidey sense this year.

But look at athletics and cycling. They make known a failed test the same day.

Way to win a set.

that's not true if you believe armstrong doped himself

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/17/sport/tennis/tennis-rafael-nadal-mallorca/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

interview with nadal in video

Damn. Here's me losing points in the Betfair competition.

people think cycling is the worst for doping and it may be, but it's to do with the authorities tackling the dopers. if other sports did that there'd be a lot more dopers caught.

Sep 3, 2012 -- 8:11PM, lurka wrote:

people think cycling is the worst for doping and it may be, but it's to do with the authorities tackling the dopers. if other sports did that there'd be a lot more dopers caught.

Indeed. Cycling might have more failed tests but I'll hazard a very strong guess, you won't find a more tested sport in the world. But that is because it had a problem in the first place.

i think there is a lot of hipocrisy going on in cycling doping controls

but there is huge corruption in cycling. armstrong had a least 2 positive tests which weren't made public, they were covered up by UCI

The UCI have their hands dirty with Armstrong. That's why they wanted to handle the affair over USADA

no way in hell could djokovic out of the blue have a year like last year just by changing something minor in his diet, its just laughable to suggest that there was no foul play at work. personally i think they ought ot just let them take what they like and not even bother testing. not just in tennis but in all sports.

there 520k at 1,029, who want

any time i see an extraordinary athletic performance/transformation I question it now. Nadal v Djoko AO12, djoko 2011, jamaicans at olympics, errani. all doped i reckon

totally agree lurka

Jamaicans (nap)

would Murray win this match without facing breakpoints?

but in fairness to the jamaicans all the other sprinters, bar none, will also have been on massive amounts of steroids, growth hormones, etc etc for years too so they are still the legitimate best

Jamaicans? Yeah right.

which thee games Rao-c lose in 1-2 sets?

all the US track athletes are dirty as hell

nice shot

wow

qqqqqw, he was broken at 4-4 first set, then I think it was 2-2 second set.

the 6.6 layers in the outright earlier today

I think I'm right in saying that the Jamaicans have a set of genetics which aren't shared even by other West Indian groups, and this gives them the best genetics for sprinting of any human population.

So why all of a sudden are Jamaicans dominating sprints if the genetics have been there for so long?

Why were 5 Jamaican athletes including Yohan Blake banned recently?

How did Usain Bolt improve his 100m PB from 10.05 to 9.69 in less than a year?

Raonic like a drunken dancing bear at the net...

raonic out of his depth here

How did Usain Bolt improve his 100m PB from 10.05 to 9.69 in less than a year?

By running faster?

6-4? 5-4 serv on match?

It is a bit odd that an outdated country like Jamaica with so limited a number of people can have such fast athletes.

the canadian has played really badly

blake ran something like 20.54PB in 2011 and then 19.84 200m olympics a year later

Yeah of course. Steroids are part of the natural diet don't you know?

It's a bit odd that Kenya and Ethiopia can generate so many great long-distance runners, so odd that Austria, Switzerland have so many great skiers, odd that Russia have so many chess grandmasters. They must all be on drugs.

Sep 3, 2012 -- 8:26PM, smb360 wrote:

I think I'm right in saying that the Jamaicans have a set of genetics which aren't shared even by other West Indian groups, and this gives them the best genetics for sprinting of any human population.

tyvm

was a "sleeping"

Sep 3, 2012 -- 8:25PM, shiraz wrote:

qqqqqw, he was broken at 4-4 first set, then I think it was 2-2 second set.

ops

this, lol

DJ playing Murrayhead (or a modern version of it anyway)

Sep 3, 2012 -- 8:34PM, Darlo Bantam wrote:

Yeah of course. Steroids are part of the natural diet don't you know?It's a bit odd that Kenya and Ethiopia can generate so many great long-distance runners, so odd that Austria, Switzerland have so many great skiers, odd that Russia have so many chess grandmasters. They must all be on drugs.

what are you saying? more people sprint in jamaica compared to other countries?

Hans - I can't answer those questions. Didn't know Blake had been banned.

None of that changes what I said though, don't underestimate the power of our genes. But environmental variation is also in the mix too, and perhaps the environmental factors - the training, picking up athletes at an early age, nutrition (from a very young age - bringing poverty levels of the country into play), Jamaican sports science, physio, coaches, a culture of taking athletics seriously - are now in place when perhaps they weren't before.

If the environment is right, then the genes can shine. And if you've already got a general set of genes that give you the best starting point of any nationality, then all it takes is some lucky mutations (which are entirely normal) and you can create a genetic freak (for sprinting purposes) like Usain Bolt.

Blake was banned for three months bizarrely for a legal drug. It was only put on the banned list after he and other Jamaicans were found to have taken it. Yes, it was a steroid.

Who is Bolt playing in the next round?

caramba

This is what happens when the match has turned into a schooling

Why was ex Jamaican sprinter and 100m Olympic Finalist Ray Stewart banned for coaching for life?

What did ex World Anti Doping Agency chief Dick Pound mean exactly when he said this month "Jamaicans are difficult to test"?

Murray's passing shots have been unreal tonight. (There, a comment on the match!)

My comment from whatever time it was stands. Murray has been first class. From lights to flag.

if will 6-2, same score as in Dolgop-Warw

There is always an excuse for these extraordinary performances, there has to be to deflect attention. Genetic make-up, gluten-free diet, revolutionary training regime etc. So none of that is out of the ordinary.

When you have Marion Jones drug chemist say that drugs are the difference between 10 and 9.7s in the men's 100m, when Carl Lewis tested positive in the 80s, you should realise that it is far more likely than not that in each case a sub 10s 100m is run, the athlete was on PEDs. It has been going on for 25+ years in athletics.

masterclass from Murray. he'd definitely faila  drugs test tonight

Agreed Darlo, superb, especially in light of his mugging around in earlier rounds and at other tournaments since the Olympics.

Some sublime passing tonight

Wow, I just love to see someone picking their opponent off every time they come to the net like this.

Hugely impressive.

Impeccable. Take a bow son

'What did Milos Raonic learn tonight?'

'Well #1, he's got to get better.'

Murray was in OLympic Final form tonight

Has this ever happened before?     03 Sep 12 12:08 
murray over 2/1 to win in straight sets

not sure i've ever seen a bigger price tbh

Cannot believe that was number 4 v number 16 tonight. Murray made Raonic look like a no trick pony.

31 winners to 12 unforced errors is mightily impressive.

raonic is a no trick pony

but his serve his enough to beat average players

mug cillic next

Murray will win the tournament if he can keep playing like that. Though there are stiffer opponents than Raonic.

murray is still 26-1 to win sports personality of the year with totesport, that price isnt going to last long, will tumble to 20's on here soon i think

Djokovic's price at 2.36 is ridiculous! First time I've looked at the outright market as I don't bother with outright.

he does have a advantage though that djoko

extra fluids

Sep 3, 2012 -- 8:53PM, smb360 wrote:

Djokovic's price at 2.36 is ridiculous! First time I've looked at the outright market as I don't bother with outright.

it was 2.28 yesterday

Sep 3, 2012 -- 8:53PM, razz wrote:

murray is still 26-1 to win sports personality of the year with totesport, that price isnt going to last long, will tumble to 20's on here soon i think

Murray won't win SPOTY, I'm afraid. Too much opposition. Far too much.

that's why he is fav for every tournament all the bookies know what he does

murray came in to 5.0 after olympic win

Some chronic long-term trading opportunities on that market. Wiggo matched as low as 1.15, Ennis 3.55, Farah 2.82 and Lamps around 300!

isn't it voted for by the public?

im talking about djoko

There are some hilarious runners in the market on Betfair.

John Terry If I had a trillion pounds I would happily lay Terry for all of it at 1000 and sleep soundly.

Sep 3, 2012 -- 8:54PM, Darlo Bantam wrote:

Sep  4, 2012 --  2:53AM, razz wrote:murray is still 26-1 to win sports personality of the year with totesport, that price isnt going to last long, will tumble to 20's on here soon i thinkMurray won't win SPOTY, I'm afraid. Too much opposition. Far too much.

sorry i didnt type that clearly enough. i meant that that price is far too big at the moment, look at every other bookmakers prices, they are all at 16-20/1 ish he is 24 to lay on here and with his performances so far he looks very dangerous. im in no way saying he will win it but its a very good price for a trade on murray, you should be able to lay him at, at least 20's on here over the next few days

Murray has to win the US Open to even get a look in.

Even then Wiggins, Farah and Ennis will all be ahead of him. Only the fact that the US Open would be a more recent triumph might help him.

if he wins a grandslam he has a very good chance of winning, he'll be in top 3 with wiggins and farah if he takes a GS

djok is low because fed & Murray have to beat him and the other. He only has to beat one of them but it's a lay at that price. If he goes behind in any of his matches you can trade it. He shouldn't go any lower either

Yeah actually I think you're right and he would be 3rd favourite ahead of Ennis.

old man fed is still a good bet for this tournament

you'll get the best price on fed if he goes behind in a match, esp against Murray

wiggins i can see hitting evens at least before the year is out, but i cant see ennis winning at all

Djoko hit 30 at match points v tsonga at FO

in overall market

chucking it down with rain now

well done the usta

typical lose from start, then unbreakable ?

Great foresight from a tournament for once.

missing start, tried to get from past phase, fail a small, skill training