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dough per one v dough per two
who says the drugs dont work?
who says the drugs dont work?
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am sick of all this doping talk...
tennis is reaching new heights in the quality and match play and is a pleasure to be a tennis fan...
enjoy the sport peace
tennis is reaching new heights in the quality and match play and is a pleasure to be a tennis fan...
enjoy the sport peace
There are still natural athletes in WTA, which is why as a tour it still has credibility.
But harry's right, this is still entertainment of a sort.
like watching the two robots slug it out in 'terminator 2'
But harry's right, this is still entertainment of a sort.
like watching the two robots slug it out in 'terminator 2'
You dope claimers are like the worst kind of daily mail readers. railing against sh1t that doen't even exist.
You all probably believe that the moon landings were faked by lee harvey oswald and that 9/11 was staged by Elvis and Lord Lucan.
I mean if any drugs are involved,the technique,the composure,the ability to cope under pressure and raw talent are far more important than a few more percentage points of athleticism.
Catch yourselves on DOPES!
You all probably believe that the moon landings were faked by lee harvey oswald and that 9/11 was staged by Elvis and Lord Lucan.
I mean if any drugs are involved,the technique,the composure,the ability to cope under pressure and raw talent are far more important than a few more percentage points of athleticism.
Catch yourselves on DOPES!
Yeh so it exists agreed noone can deny that.
But paranoia also exists.
Outlandish conspiracy theories exists.
Creationism exists.
UFO abductess exists.
All inside the minds of nutters.
But paranoia also exists.
Outlandish conspiracy theories exists.
Creationism exists.
UFO abductess exists.
All inside the minds of nutters.
Those who deny that that doping is rife in ATP
are a bit like the old guys that used to watch wrestling in the 1970s believing it was real
while dribbling soup on their laps.
There is no need for people to take polarised views.
This match is what it is. Robot-wars.
Watch it and enjoy it on that basis.
are a bit like the old guys that used to watch wrestling in the 1970s believing it was real
while dribbling soup on their laps.
There is no need for people to take polarised views.
This match is what it is. Robot-wars.
Watch it and enjoy it on that basis.
nice one seahawk!!!
people forget joker played a gruelling 5 setter with muzz
in oz open..the next day won 6hr final..yeah right.
people forget joker played a gruelling 5 setter with muzz
in oz open..the next day won 6hr final..yeah right.
sofiakenny 10 Jun 12 16:05
nice one seahawk!!!
people forget joker played a gruelling 5 setter with muzz
in oz open..the next day won 6hr final..yeah right.
really ? or was it 2 days later, you mug
nice one seahawk!!!
people forget joker played a gruelling 5 setter with muzz
in oz open..the next day won 6hr final..yeah right.
really ? or was it 2 days later, you mug
fit as a flea the djoker...
you have to admire him for that...
this is what hard work and dedication can get you
you have to admire him for that...
this is what hard work and dedication can get you
doping allows players to not get tired as quick after each shot in a rally, let alone over the length of a match. if you are still less tired after the 6th shot eg in a rally you have a massive advantage.
ZERO tolerance for druggies.
ZERO tolerance for druggies.
10 Jun 12 15:00 Joined: 09 May 10 | Topic/replies: 3,985 | Blogger: bobweenit's blog
Nole has the better gear so he WINS
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You got that right , the sumbit ch doesn't even sweat , whereas Nadal is sweating a storm .
Nole has the better gear so he WINS
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You got that right , the sumbit ch doesn't even sweat , whereas Nadal is sweating a storm .
nice one seahawk!!!
people forget joker played a gruelling 5 setter with muzz
in oz open..the next day won 6hr final..yeah right.
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Sofia , some people are SSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO naive .
people forget joker played a gruelling 5 setter with muzz
in oz open..the next day won 6hr final..yeah right.
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Sofia , some people are SSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO naive .
the only dopers are on this forum sitting in their gilded cages with a keyboard convincing themselves the only way genius can be possible will be with meds.
The one thing i cannot understand is why someone would dedicate their life to a sport only to risk it all on a whim, whilst wonks in the minority spend theirs diminishing their integrity by cooking up conspiracies from the sidelines.You truly are the LUNATIC FRINGE.
If I can't do it then it's not possible brigade...
The one thing i cannot understand is why someone would dedicate their life to a sport only to risk it all on a whim, whilst wonks in the minority spend theirs diminishing their integrity by cooking up conspiracies from the sidelines.You truly are the LUNATIC FRINGE.
If I can't do it then it's not possible brigade...
lol, you seem so convinced tennis is clean. you don't have to be a lunatic to have doubts. you are a grown up i take it
are you convinced because no-one has ever been caught doping in a sport worth millions?
With respect my dear i didn't say it was clean as a sport far from it. I am suggesting that Djokovic is an elite athlete with a superior athleticism to most others pros and dare i say clean. I don't see where in that statement i can be mis-represented but i'm sure you will attempt it.
What that has got to do with being an Adult puzzles me frankly.
What that has got to do with being an Adult puzzles me frankly.
If Djokovic is on something then what is Rafa on?????
2-0 in sets up
2-0 in sets up
Helmut , what they are risking ???
Can you elaborate on that one ????
Can you elaborate on that one ????
oh i think djoko is clean. i don't think the spaniard is.
how much would you put on nadal being clean at odds of 1.1? be honest
btw players have been caught doping, but you find it inconceivable that the players who beat the doped (players at the top of the game) do it thru sheer skill. The drugs must be sh1t!
how much would you put on nadal being clean at odds of 1.1? be honest
btw players have been caught doping, but you find it inconceivable that the players who beat the doped (players at the top of the game) do it thru sheer skill. The drugs must be sh1t!
THE DRUGS DON'T WORK!!!!!!!
The sad thing about this whole b.s. conversation is that if Rafa wins it's a sign of his greatness but if Djokovic wins it's a sign of his druggieness.
The sad thing about this whole b.s. conversation is that if Rafa wins it's a sign of his greatness but if Djokovic wins it's a sign of his druggieness.
how much of your financial worth would you place on nadal being clean?
100% at 1.10?
100% at 1.10?
With respect my dear i didn't say it was clean as a sport far from it. I am suggesting that Djokovic is an elite athlete with a superior athleticism to most others pros and dare i say clean. I don't see where in that statement i can be mis-represented but i'm sure you will attempt it.
What that has got to do with being an Adult puzzles me frankly.
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Throughout his career he was known as a weakling , and all of a sudden last year he became the fittest man on planet earth .
Can you explain that ??????
What that has got to do with being an Adult puzzles me frankly.
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Throughout his career he was known as a weakling , and all of a sudden last year he became the fittest man on planet earth .
Can you explain that ??????
I think djoko is clean. I have a gluten allery meaning if i have a slice of bread i
feel lethargic and sleepy. I'm unfit and djoko, isn't so his allergy wouldn't be that
dramatic but it could have cost him that extra 2% that prevented him from being the
no.1 as opposed to no.3.
feel lethargic and sleepy. I'm unfit and djoko, isn't so his allergy wouldn't be that
dramatic but it could have cost him that extra 2% that prevented him from being the
no.1 as opposed to no.3.
Djokovic was diagnosed with a wheat intolerance where eatin anything with gluten makes one feel tired and bloated.
Since this diagnosis about 2 years ago he changed to a gluten free diet. This lifted his fitness levels and ability to train harder and enabled him to withstand the extremities of the elite.
Since this diagnosis about 2 years ago he changed to a gluten free diet. This lifted his fitness levels and ability to train harder and enabled him to withstand the extremities of the elite.
and how much of your financial worth would you put on Nadal being clean at 1.1?????
I've asked you 3 times now
I've asked you 3 times now
Heavens above, proving a negative is almost impossible.
Your 3 times asked question is not worth an acknowledgement let alone an answer.
It's like asking to bet on who would win in a fight between Godzilla and King Kong.
Your 3 times asked question is not worth an acknowledgement let alone an answer.
It's like asking to bet on who would win in a fight between Godzilla and King Kong.
so not convinced of nadal's cleanness. you could've lied and said 100%.but you didn't. that's how sure you are.
anyway, we won't agree. back to the match. be lucky helmut
anyway, we won't agree. back to the match. be lucky helmut
the spaniards current doctor is Angel Cotorro..who surprise surprise
is licenced to perform doping tests..how convenient.
is licenced to perform doping tests..how convenient.
Oh my goodness what does it take to shake off this mortal coil. whether i say yea or nay doesn't prove anything other than a speculation.
Nobody is interested in this other than a few internet forum cranks.
Why don't you save your energy for something more worthwhile like finding WMD's in Iraq?
Nobody is interested in this other than a few internet forum cranks.
Why don't you save your energy for something more worthwhile like finding WMD's in Iraq?
Being gluten-free is not the answer , it doesn't have as much bearing as you'd like to think .
Andy Murray also started a gluten-free diet , can you see any positive results ???
Bob Bryan , of the Bryan Bros , he's been some 6 or 7 years gluten-free , didn't make him a better tennis player .
Being gluten-free can help you a little bit , but not that much .
Andy Murray also started a gluten-free diet , can you see any positive results ???
Bob Bryan , of the Bryan Bros , he's been some 6 or 7 years gluten-free , didn't make him a better tennis player .
Being gluten-free can help you a little bit , but not that much .
Djokovic had a gluten intolerance the others did not.Where Djokovic is concerned it was a chronic condition not a fad.
That's not smokin gun proof of illicit drug use.
It merely proves you've been smokin illicit drugs.
It merely proves you've been smokin illicit drugs.
Pretending to be tired could be a mind game.To affect the other player.
Do you really think Djoko is on court and thinking at some point 'hold on, i better put a little act on to try and dispel any rumours that I'm on drugs.I'd better act tired.'
Do you really think Djoko is on court and thinking at some point 'hold on, i better put a little act on to try and dispel any rumours that I'm on drugs.I'd better act tired.'
Andy Murray recievin a massage on court is the smokin gun proof needed to suggest he is the Lockerbie bomber.
WTF.
WTF.
Do you really think Djoko is on court and thinking at some point 'hold on, i better put a little act on to try and dispel any rumours that I'm on drugs.I'd better act tired.'
Yes I do.
Essentially he was feeling euphoric about realising he now had an edge on the competition, then tempered it with misdirection.
Yes I do.
Essentially he was feeling euphoric about realising he now had an edge on the competition, then tempered it with misdirection.
So to summarise then. You knpw the power capability and stamina limits of an elite professional Tennis player at the absolute pinnacle of his ability. You know when such an individual can expend no more. You know when the adrenaline levels are empty. This is a gift of which many would invest many a guinea in.
You are truly gifted.
You are truly gifted.
Djokovic has always huffed and puffed like he's about to die - Murray does something similar it's just the way they are.
I mean ffs i've seen players huf and puff before a ball is struck.
nerves,pressure many factors can affect the body until an equilibrium or nirvana if you will when body and mind conjoin.
This can last for a significant time or fleetingly whatever the case these signs are not proof of conspiracy to cheat.
The mind is powerful,enigmatic and unpredictable.
nerves,pressure many factors can affect the body until an equilibrium or nirvana if you will when body and mind conjoin.
This can last for a significant time or fleetingly whatever the case these signs are not proof of conspiracy to cheat.
The mind is powerful,enigmatic and unpredictable.
everyones mind that is except journeymans' of course. Who believes 3+3=7
Do you really think Djoko is on court and thinking at some point 'hold on, i better put a little act on to try and dispel any rumours that I'm on drugs.I'd better act tired.'
This is EXACTLY what he did in melbourne.
I've said it before. Go and get some highlights from his matches in Doha 2010 to see how he plays when he's really tired.
As for the Coeliac disease, i would want to have seen his tTG results before i could confidently ascribe his miraculous improvement to a gluten free diet .
This is EXACTLY what he did in melbourne.
I've said it before. Go and get some highlights from his matches in Doha 2010 to see how he plays when he's really tired.
As for the Coeliac disease, i would want to have seen his tTG results before i could confidently ascribe his miraculous improvement to a gluten free diet .
firstly the point is that it's unlikely any of us can claim definitively to know either way.
however, we know this much:
i. tennis is not clean. the image of Puerta today should do enough to remind you of that.
ii. in other sports, novel doping methods have evaded detection. testing is by no means flawless. you cannot be 100% confident that there are no tennis players doping who are evading detection.
iii. Djokovic's stamina has improved markedly with little noticeable transition.
this is by no means the territory of wild conspiracy theory. i, myself, was extremely sceptical until Melbourne this year.
however, we know this much:
i. tennis is not clean. the image of Puerta today should do enough to remind you of that.
ii. in other sports, novel doping methods have evaded detection. testing is by no means flawless. you cannot be 100% confident that there are no tennis players doping who are evading detection.
iii. Djokovic's stamina has improved markedly with little noticeable transition.
this is by no means the territory of wild conspiracy theory. i, myself, was extremely sceptical until Melbourne this year.
DStyle
10 Jun 12 21:14 Joined: 20 Jan 05 | Topic/replies: 12,241 | Blogger: DStyle's blog
Do you really think Djoko is on court and thinking at some point 'hold on, i better put a little act on to try and dispel any rumours that I'm on drugs.I'd better act tired.'
This is EXACTLY what he did in melbourne.
I've said it before. Go and get some highlights from his matches in Doha 2010 to see how he plays when he's really tired.
As for the Coeliac disease, i would want to have seen his tTG results before i could confidently ascribe his miraculous improvement to a gluten free diet .
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DStyle , you don't even have to believe that coeliac BS .
According to Djokovic , and that is something that we all were able to see , he started working with Dr Cetajovic in July 2010 , Cetajovic signed for a 1 year tour , and that is what he was with Djokovic team .
Now , according to Novak , Dr Cetajovic diagnosed Coeliac disease immediately , and always according to Novak , that was a life changer .
Curiously , from July all the way down to December (before Davis Cup Final) there was no improvement whatsoever in Novak's conditioning .
Right before the Davis cup final , he played the Masters cup , losing to Nadal and to Federer .
During the Davis , he didn't do anything special , Troicky was more or less the hero .
Then , after a month break , just a frigging month , he became the fittest tennis player ever!!!
It is so unbelievable , that I don't believe it .
There is another telltale , Djokovic doesn't sweat anymore .
You can see him toweling off , but it is all acting . His face is always dry . Before , he used to sweat , not anymore .
You can see , basically all players , that after 1 hour of playing , the hair at the nape is always damp , Novak's is always dry .
Novak is a doper , that is not to say that he is the only one . But his case is blatant .
10 Jun 12 21:14 Joined: 20 Jan 05 | Topic/replies: 12,241 | Blogger: DStyle's blog
Do you really think Djoko is on court and thinking at some point 'hold on, i better put a little act on to try and dispel any rumours that I'm on drugs.I'd better act tired.'
This is EXACTLY what he did in melbourne.
I've said it before. Go and get some highlights from his matches in Doha 2010 to see how he plays when he's really tired.
As for the Coeliac disease, i would want to have seen his tTG results before i could confidently ascribe his miraculous improvement to a gluten free diet .
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DStyle , you don't even have to believe that coeliac BS .
According to Djokovic , and that is something that we all were able to see , he started working with Dr Cetajovic in July 2010 , Cetajovic signed for a 1 year tour , and that is what he was with Djokovic team .
Now , according to Novak , Dr Cetajovic diagnosed Coeliac disease immediately , and always according to Novak , that was a life changer .
Curiously , from July all the way down to December (before Davis Cup Final) there was no improvement whatsoever in Novak's conditioning .
Right before the Davis cup final , he played the Masters cup , losing to Nadal and to Federer .
During the Davis , he didn't do anything special , Troicky was more or less the hero .
Then , after a month break , just a frigging month , he became the fittest tennis player ever!!!
It is so unbelievable , that I don't believe it .
There is another telltale , Djokovic doesn't sweat anymore .
You can see him toweling off , but it is all acting . His face is always dry . Before , he used to sweat , not anymore .
You can see , basically all players , that after 1 hour of playing , the hair at the nape is always damp , Novak's is always dry .
Novak is a doper , that is not to say that he is the only one . But his case is blatant .
Djokovic loves his body more than anybody else and would never
use something destroying it.For Nadal I am not sure and even less for Roger.
If we compare Roger's same age mates Roddic and Hewitt how they behave on court
the most suspicous is Roger. Knowing his ego to regain no. 1 makes it even more obvious...
use something destroying it.For Nadal I am not sure and even less for Roger.
If we compare Roger's same age mates Roddic and Hewitt how they behave on court
the most suspicous is Roger. Knowing his ego to regain no. 1 makes it even more obvious...
Novak is a doper , that is not to say that he is the only one . But his case is blatant .
utter utter bowloks
what we have here is a line that anyone who improves must be 'on drugs'.
I am telling you now that gluten allergy exists
you should be thanking this bloke for not lying down against a roid boy in nadal
dimwits
utter utter bowloks
what we have here is a line that anyone who improves must be 'on drugs'.
I am telling you now that gluten allergy exists
you should be thanking this bloke for not lying down against a roid boy in nadal
dimwits
So what if they dope??
Why you really care? We want to watch excellent superhuman tennis...enjoy true battle, out of earth shots, long rallies (like today's one of 44 shots!!!)...
If they want to dope, let them dope. As long as THEY DO not dope MY body, I don't care. And do not see why YOU care???!
Doping won't do any help to Zeballos, Almagros, Cilics, Granollers, Llodras, Querrys, ...etc.
Now STFU about irrelevant subject.
This is a bet exchange forum. Other concerns are second door left! LOL
Why you really care? We want to watch excellent superhuman tennis...enjoy true battle, out of earth shots, long rallies (like today's one of 44 shots!!!)...
If they want to dope, let them dope. As long as THEY DO not dope MY body, I don't care. And do not see why YOU care???!
Doping won't do any help to Zeballos, Almagros, Cilics, Granollers, Llodras, Querrys, ...etc.
Now STFU about irrelevant subject.
This is a bet exchange forum. Other concerns are second door left! LOL
We want to watch excellent superhuman tennis...enjoy true battle, out of earth shots, long rallies (like today's one of 44 shots!!!)...
No we want to watch a fantastic sport that is supposed to be a true gladiatorial contest between two men or women
the 'Rolls royce' of one-on-one sports that was born and raised in the greatest country the planet has ever seen, Great Britain.
Part of the fascination of the sport is watching one player's weaknesses and strength match up against another's.
This element of the combat of wills, the essential human struggle of desire versus personal limitations, all this is dying in front of your face in the sequence of freakshow Robot Wars finals that Nadal and Nole are serving up for the imminent future.
No we want to watch a fantastic sport that is supposed to be a true gladiatorial contest between two men or women
the 'Rolls royce' of one-on-one sports that was born and raised in the greatest country the planet has ever seen, Great Britain.
Part of the fascination of the sport is watching one player's weaknesses and strength match up against another's.
This element of the combat of wills, the essential human struggle of desire versus personal limitations, all this is dying in front of your face in the sequence of freakshow Robot Wars finals that Nadal and Nole are serving up for the imminent future.
I promise you this. One day you will hate them for it.
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