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14 Feb 12 17:10
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Report HHOle February 14, 2012 9:01 PM GMT
now that there is a centerstream, its nearly impossible knapp won :(
Report DStyle February 14, 2012 9:04 PM GMT
what do you mean centerstream?
Report noTry February 14, 2012 9:04 PM GMT
paid on KK
Report DStyle February 14, 2012 9:05 PM GMT
settled as knapp winner
Report TheMumbler February 14, 2012 9:05 PM GMT
paid on KK... what was the biggest back price on her?
Report HHOle February 14, 2012 9:06 PM GMT
the ustream stream
Report noTry February 14, 2012 9:07 PM GMT
2@50...
Report HHOle February 14, 2012 9:08 PM GMT
bad feeling this wont last
Report gaudi February 14, 2012 9:08 PM GMT
everybody knows that knapp won (reuters Associated Press official tennis site, official tournament site everyone) what we don't know is what bf do about it
Report noTry February 14, 2012 9:10 PM GMT
BF already settled it on KK 5 minutes ago...
Report HHOle February 14, 2012 9:11 PM GMT
even if they settled it doesn mean they resettle... don be to sure is all iam saying
Report DStyle February 14, 2012 9:11 PM GMT
pretty sure this wasn't on a televised court HHOle
Report HHOle February 14, 2012 9:12 PM GMT
no but there is this ustsream webcam dunno if it was on while knapp was playing. btw you know ur business, very informed post as always. cheers mate
Report okt8 February 14, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
THANK YOU BETFAIR! I TRUSTED YOU, but you destroyed me
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 9:13 PM GMT
thats disappointed from Betfair, morally incorrect, but sticking to their rules again.
Report edy February 14, 2012 9:14 PM GMT
Dulgheru-Knapp wasn't on center court, HHole.
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 9:14 PM GMT
maybe someone should mention the '29' incident to them, because they didnt stick to their rules then.
Report mau February 14, 2012 9:14 PM GMT
bet at 1.1 dulgheru all my bankroll. I've screenshot of the quotes in the event. I've lose all.
Send a reply to support client for delucidation.
I'm waiting for response.
Now i've lose all.
Report okt8 February 14, 2012 9:15 PM GMT
me too mau
Report HHOle February 14, 2012 9:15 PM GMT
sorry edy hast recht :;)
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 9:15 PM GMT
mau, if you want to dispute it, you can contact Betfair and tell them you intend to go to IBAS for a resolution. Ask them to send you a form, which they should do. When they have sent the form, send it off to IBAS, with printed screenshots. See what happens.
Report noTry February 14, 2012 9:16 PM GMT
they won't resettle this as KK is the actual winner... even the official SB was right the last 3/4 of the match... BF was reluctant to settle it until the got sure the official SB was right especially to avoid any resettling mess...
Report mau February 14, 2012 9:16 PM GMT
what can we do?
I've back for a FALSE quote at 1.10!!!
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 9:17 PM GMT
Complain to Betfair, with the screenshots, then if you don't get anywhere, decide whether you want to dispute it via IBAS.
Report okt8 February 14, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
It's VERY VERY INCORRECT!!!!
Report DStyle February 14, 2012 9:18 PM GMT
don't waste your time contacting IBAS. there's NOTHING wrong about what betfair did here.

you all chose to IGNORE the official score.

seriously, what are you going to say?
Report DStyle February 14, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
complain to betfair about what?

that you ignored the official score?
Report noTry February 14, 2012 9:19 PM GMT
mau, may I ask you what source of info (SBs) did you use when you have placed your bet @1.1?
Report DStyle February 14, 2012 9:20 PM GMT
seriously, isner-levine and possibly the doubles last week in chile, you may have a slight justification for your grumble.

but this one, the score was RIGHT, but you assumed it was wrong Shocked
Report okt8 February 14, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
the betfair score on mobil said dulgheru lead...
Report noTry February 14, 2012 9:25 PM GMT
the BF tennis scores come with this:

Warning: Although the current score, time elapsed and other data provided on this site is sourced from a "live" feed provided by a third party, you should be aware that this data may be subject to a time delay and/or be inaccurate. If you rely on this data to place bets, you do so entirely at your own risk. Betfair provides this data AS IS with no warranty as to the accuracy, completeness or timeliness of such data and accepts no responsibility for any loss (direct or indirect) suffered by you as a result of your reliance on it.
Report zapos21 February 14, 2012 9:27 PM GMT
i'll await my refund, congrats to them which bet for knapp, but I used live bet...so i bet when i watched that dulgheru is winning...so write to betfair team and help us together
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 9:28 PM GMT
That does not entirely ensure that Betfair are within their rights to invalidate a market though, noTry. What that statement says is that Betfair have no responsibility i.e. they are not monetarily responsible in terms of compensating customers. It makes no reference to invalidation of Betfair markets.
Report okt8 February 14, 2012 9:29 PM GMT
but it's not correct! when they suspended the market, Dulgerhu odds was 1,01 and Kanpp odds was 50
Report zapos21 February 14, 2012 9:31 PM GMT
we didnt ignore official score, betfair ignored it...what i should do? show official score, tv stations, bet houses, which score is real?
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 9:33 PM GMT
If you complain, do it tomorrow, not in the evening, though.
Report noTry February 14, 2012 9:34 PM GMT
If you rely on this data to place bets, you do so entirely at your own risk.

that means that you chose to bet on BF scores against other peoples betting on OFFICIAL SB scores... you're doing this at your OWN risk...

and obviously there are NO grounds to void any market based on this...
Report zapos21 February 14, 2012 9:36 PM GMT
the problem of you is that you dont know something about "european law", which is higher than UK law...
Report noTry February 14, 2012 9:37 PM GMT
@zapos21

do you really know what is the official WTA scoreboard?
Report edy February 14, 2012 9:38 PM GMT
As DStyle said you don't have a case here at all. IBAS or any institution of law isn't gonna do shit.

All you can do is: Suck it up, learn from it and never do it again. I know blaming others is always the easy way (in all parts of life)...but we're the ones pushing the buttons here and God have I made some ridiculous mistakes on here in the past. I try to learn from them each and every day.

Heck, if I had not been around for Levine-Isner I would've probably bet on Dulgheru.

Hope none of you is in any serious trouble because of this.
Report noTry February 14, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
EU law? what country are you from zapos?
Report jguty February 14, 2012 9:41 PM GMT
A shame for me and I think for many, but BF and decided and stayed with all the money from our betting (particularly leaves me zero), I understand that both betfair as http://www.mismarcadores.com/ tennis / which followed the match gave the same result and modify it over this.
Personally, here ends my relationship with BF, I think this may have a monopilio allowed to do these things.
Thanks for the good times provided but I do not catch me any more bets.
I hope you will not suffer the same loss that I and continue in other possibly more serious pages.
Report DStyle February 14, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
likewise, i hope no-one is in serious ****.

apart from the guy running the market making hoovering bot pulling the scores uncached off mirror image.

i hope you took a pounding.
Report zapos21 February 14, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
one question? which data? that djokovic is number 1 in ATP? yeah i rely to this on my own risk....but we write about odds...
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
See this is what annoys me. People like jguty who will now leave this site because of the unfairness of it.
Report mau February 14, 2012 9:42 PM GMT
i haven't source to view the exact score of the match. It's incredible that if i had it, and back at 50 10000$ for the knapp winner at match point, betfair would pay me? In the opposite, i don't think exist a quote that can be at 1,1 or as the screen shot i have at 1,01 when the final score is 6-2 6-2 for the opposite player...
I've written at IBAS and Betfair with my attachments. I'm waiting for delucidation.
Report good value losers February 14, 2012 9:45 PM GMT
methinks some posters on here don't fully understand what betfair is
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 9:46 PM GMT
Incidentally, does it state on the Betfair mobile app. that they have no responsibility for incorrect scores? I have never used it, so I wouldnt know.
Report cristian February 14, 2012 9:46 PM GMT
betfair does NOT offer you those odds, but the other players

betfair has no liability on the quotes on its markets, it is strictly dictated by the players on the market (like a stock market)
Report noTry February 14, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
@mau, zapos
are you aware that this is an betting exchange? have you any idea what this means and how this works?... this is not a bookie... ffs... you are not betting against BF... you are betting against other peoples...
Report zapos21 February 14, 2012 9:49 PM GMT
do you know what annoys me? people which acting incorrect behavior...****ed up my 50 euros, i lost correctly 1000 euros but is was correctly
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 9:49 PM GMT
I dont think Betfair should be showing scores if they have now been proven to be inaccurate. Their job is to offer the market, not the scores. If they want to attract customers by adding this extra feature, they must ensure that this situation does not occur.
Report zapos21 February 14, 2012 9:50 PM GMT
noTry :D yeah and betfair havent ever seen something of this money :D
Report DStyle February 14, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
S or A is either

i. becoming progressively more stupid

ii. is more determined to out himself as the troll i suspect he is
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 9:55 PM GMT
Neither, I just dont like to see people lose their cash unfairly. Maybe you are not as humane.
Report DStyle February 14, 2012 9:57 PM GMT
funny that, given i was one of the first people to highlight that there was something up with this market (before the 1st set was even over), whilst the best you could add was some unjustified suspicions about the integrity of the players, completely missing the point edy and I were making.
Report jguty February 14, 2012 9:58 PM GMT
the worst is over no one in BF starts to explain anything about what happened and give the item settled.
Someone actually got paid by Knapp bet your stake or also it stayed. His marker clearly ponia Winner 2 - 0 to Dulgheru.
Report good value losers February 14, 2012 10:02 PM GMT
what odds were 365 and the trad bookies offering? and have they settled?
Report good value losers February 14, 2012 10:02 PM GMT
what odds were 365 and the trad bookies offering? and have they settled?
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 10:04 PM GMT
jguty, Betfair havent officially broken their rules. It is a question of whether morally they were correct not to cancel the bets, and whether their rules are legal, but within the rules of the site itself they settled the market correctly.
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
and whether their rule of no responsibility for scores on their website then translates to no voiding of markets if they misled their customers.
Report noTry February 14, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
365 was 10 on KK and 1.03 on AD after the 1st set... have no idea if they settled it or not as I haven't got a bet there... just went there to see what their SB was showing...
Report jimmy69 February 14, 2012 10:07 PM GMT
Jesus...if people cant take their losses on their chin then they shouldn't be betting in the first place.
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 10:11 PM GMT
They voided the Davydenko match when the odds were obviously incorrect. Surely that was not their responsibility either.
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 10:11 PM GMT
If you argue for the bets not to be refunded on this, then you must agree with that statement too.
Report edy February 14, 2012 10:12 PM GMT
Which is why voiding Davydenko was a mistake that betfair has not repeated to this day. Thanks also to the hard working people in the TIU.
Report good value losers February 14, 2012 10:12 PM GMT
cheers, notry. be interesting to see if they call it palpable error!
Report DStyle February 14, 2012 10:13 PM GMT
they voided davydenko because they believe that there was criminally fraudulent activity on the market
Report DStyle February 14, 2012 10:14 PM GMT
though it was still a mistake.
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 10:17 PM GMT
I dont know of any situation, other than pre-match Dolgopolov bets, in which they have had the odds going in the wrong direction, after that Davydenko match. It would be interesting to see what they do if it reoccurs.
Report diablo13 February 14, 2012 10:20 PM GMT
this ****ing **** is lame as helll they cant provide scores if the arent true...

betfair is is **** stuff if they cant correct thier own misstakes
Report noTry February 14, 2012 10:20 PM GMT
really?

tipsy-zeballos just one of them...
Report edy February 14, 2012 10:22 PM GMT
Oh there have been some. A match in St. Petersburg between an unnamed Italian and an unnamed Russian had the russian at 1.1 or 1.2 a set and a break behind.
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
did it have video with it though?
Report noTry February 14, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
obviously, volandri-gabashvili is another one
Report good value losers February 14, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
deme vs patty kremlin cup. i think that was after davydenko.
Report edy February 14, 2012 10:24 PM GMT
yeah, Volandri-Gaba had video
Report edy February 14, 2012 10:26 PM GMT
yeah, though in that Dementieva-Schnyder match the hated player actually won. In that same tournament tournament there was another match just like that. Wild guess without even looking at which matches where played there I would say Bammer-Azarenka
Report edy February 14, 2012 10:27 PM GMT
yeah, Bammer-Azarenka. Both in straight sets even though the opponents were strongly fancied in the respective 2nd sets.
Report edy February 14, 2012 10:28 PM GMT
yeah, I need to stop staring my posts with "yeah,".
Report good value losers February 14, 2012 10:29 PM GMT
yeah
Report lexjus05 February 14, 2012 10:30 PM GMT
I've won and everyone knows the risk to bet!!!!!
Report jimmy69 February 14, 2012 10:31 PM GMT
ffs..is this thread still going
Report jguty February 14, 2012 10:32 PM GMT
The problem with this bet only been on betfair?
I see no reference to more problems
Report Pikachu84 February 14, 2012 10:33 PM GMT
only fair solution would have been to void all bets
Report aaronh February 14, 2012 10:36 PM GMT
... so who won?
Report noTry February 14, 2012 10:41 PM GMT
KK
Report jguty February 14, 2012 10:46 PM GMT
Send a message asking for the annulment of the bet, not help but we will hear
Send a message asking for the annulment of the bet, not help but we will hear
Report jonooooo February 14, 2012 11:03 PM GMT
Could this match be voided???what's the chances
Report jonooooo February 14, 2012 11:04 PM GMT
Could this match be voided???what's the chances
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 11:05 PM GMT
Its unlikely. Phone them, or write to them, explain why youre unhappy about it and see what they say. If youre not happy with what they say, speak to a manager or complain to the arbitration service. There isnt a lot else you can do.
Report jguty February 14, 2012 11:06 PM GMT
but not generally been a failure everywhere it dava the opposite result, up to dig a while that was corrected.
Report jimmy69 February 14, 2012 11:11 PM GMT
Why would this match be voided? There was nothing untoward apart from a dodgy scoreboard. End of thread.
Report jguty February 14, 2012 11:14 PM GMT
someone has the final result screen?
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 14, 2012 11:18 PM GMT
Someone said earlier that they have it, send them a message?
Report zapos21 February 15, 2012 10:29 AM GMT
betfair write to me that they inquire into this case, because their supplier of score had much irregularities about this match...so this is my version, i dont have problem that if i lose any bet, i have problem that official website of betfair have problem with delivery of official score...and know some clever boys here write something about own risk...just no no no...this is website of official company, its not forum, its not community of customers, and somebody must have responsibility for datas on this website
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? February 15, 2012 10:45 AM GMT
At least they are not just referring to their rules and ignoring you, as I suspected they may do.
Report Pikachu84 February 15, 2012 10:48 AM GMT
That's what they did for me :X
Report okt8 February 15, 2012 3:40 PM GMT
BETUNFAIR
Report jimmy69 February 15, 2012 3:45 PM GMT
ffs
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