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Lifter
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Sun has released the line-up...

Danny Jones
Oti Mabuse
Tulisa
GK Barry
Jane Moore
Dean McCullough
Barry McGuigan
Melvin Odoom
Alan Halsall
Rev Richard Coles
Coleen Rooney
Maura Higgins

Soon as I heard the rumors, I've been itching to place a bet on GK Barry (it depends on the odds, though). Danny Jones will be the short-priced fav I guess?
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Report CLYDEBANK29 December 6, 2024 10:35 PM GMT
Ta man
Report TheBorg December 7, 2024 9:36 PM GMT
Evening campers,  I think the Rev got a little momentum from yesterday's show and will get past Oti with ease.
Report mecca December 7, 2024 9:54 PM GMT
This buildup to cyclone..fake enthusiasm from the celebrities...

.. reminds me of when there's a really sh1t game on sky sports and the commentators keep telling us what a great game it is...

.. Cyclone is basically the same every year...and it's sh1t
Report Cider December 7, 2024 10:08 PM GMT
The whole thing is utterly tedious after so many years, rinse and repeat but it still flies against the general tide of decline in linear tv broadcasting.
Report timbuctooth December 7, 2024 10:13 PM GMT
Mighty surprised they didn't give this task to Rooney
Report Cider December 7, 2024 10:19 PM GMT
Old Danny thinks he's running away with it.
Report GeorgeBrush December 7, 2024 10:22 PM GMT
Been watching wolf hall instead of this ****, cultural innit
Report timbuctooth December 7, 2024 10:23 PM GMT
IAC lookalike; Alan and Luke Littler
Report GeorgeBrush December 7, 2024 10:25 PM GMT
Lukey would win spoty if it was on itv lol
Report GeorgeBrush December 7, 2024 10:34 PM GMT
Have they gone in market order again?   Knock me over with a feather
Report GeorgeBrush December 7, 2024 10:39 PM GMT
If it wasn't for the market wouldn't we all think Cleen would romp home?
Report GeorgeBrush December 7, 2024 10:40 PM GMT
Maybe she will, the number of voters will increase
Report Cider December 7, 2024 10:43 PM GMT
I have Danny winning the h2h, mentioned a few times. It must default to who has been the best on the show in the last two mass vote, which has to be Danny. Not that he is an amazing standout but lengths ahead of Rooney.
Report Henry VIII December 7, 2024 10:57 PM GMT
Fans often think "who has been the best on the show" but imo emotional connection is also important (and in a way is best), especially if a campmate has either changed expectations or created a good first time impression.
Report Cider December 7, 2024 10:57 PM GMT
tim's right that they appear to have given up on Rooney, gave her that really tough trial with rev after soft everything up to then, Danny got his kid as well and the 'secret task'. It ties in with what the market tells us that she was in front and they've flipped. There's always the chance of course that they flip again, but for me that seems pretty unlikely.
Report Henry VIII December 7, 2024 10:58 PM GMT
OC in this the market is usually informed though.
Report Cider December 7, 2024 11:01 PM GMT
Yes H but we are looking at second preferences essentially. Those voting for Rooney will vote Rooney again, same as Danny. So the new people are predominately Rev voters and those who will just vote when down to last two. I would make Danny pretty short to 'win' that. Assuming oc Rev doesn't flip with the runner in second!
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 8:18 AM GMT
No final 3 sun poll?
Report Henry VIII December 8, 2024 3:33 PM GMT
Today we finally get to enjoy Coleen crowned as new queen of the jungle.
Report Henry VIII December 8, 2024 3:45 PM GMT

Dec 7, 2024 -- 10:13PM, timbuctooth wrote:


Mighty surprised they didn't give this task to Rooney


No need any more, she's too far ahead.

Report TheBorg December 8, 2024 4:44 PM GMT
Coleen was building support up to about three days ago, then it looked like the extra good edits stopped, I think Danny wins and we will see 1.3 Danny in the head to head.
Report stu December 8, 2024 5:02 PM GMT
If the insiders suddenly feel sure enough Grin
Report Henry VIII December 8, 2024 5:44 PM GMT
"too far ahead" was tongue in cheek but I don't see why her momentum would have slowed down. And last night we had her saying Wayne was her only serious boyfriend, the only one she took home to meet her parents, while Danny was boasting about chatting up girls at a very young age.
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 9:28 PM GMT
Everyone saw the sun poll yes?
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 9:28 PM GMT
So extreme I'm not sure
Report Jack Bauer "24" December 8, 2024 9:58 PM GMT
Danny is most deserving in my view.
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 10:00 PM GMT
In the sense he's been screaming make me the winner constantly for 3 weeks
Report Cider December 8, 2024 10:00 PM GMT
So the read has Danny still in front
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 10:01 PM GMT
Danny herm and hersed it seems

Cleen took the lead just for 1 day then?
Report Cider December 8, 2024 10:02 PM GMT
Same as before, they seem to get it about 10 mins after cut off
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 10:09 PM GMT
5 i would say
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 10:10 PM GMT
Then word seems to get around and people are sticking a few hundred up to lay at 3
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 10:16 PM GMT
If you've been your true self danny, that's even worse :)
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- December 8, 2024 10:22 PM GMT
Funny price to fix it on all the same

Too greedy to get good prices.
Report Cider December 8, 2024 10:29 PM GMT
If the hypothesis correct and they only get the retrospective order, they know Rooney was in front at the start, which means Rooney could be close enough to flip it on the last vote. How low would you go, not much past 2's on.
Report timbuctooth December 8, 2024 10:34 PM GMT
Never in doubt!
Report Angela Rebecchi December 8, 2024 10:35 PM GMT
King Danny, very deserving winner !
Report Jack Bauer "24" December 8, 2024 10:37 PM GMT
He was very good when winning The Masked Singer this year and now he has done the double.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- December 8, 2024 10:40 PM GMT
Not much past 2s on,


Or spoof market so you got better, so either a lazy punter
or multiple sources getting inside read.
Report Cider December 8, 2024 10:40 PM GMT
Interesting patterns anyway, all that money shovelling on Rooney just before and through the start of the show, but the insiders were just waiting for the next read. Helped me out anyway, next year think I'll just analyse the market moves after each vote, easier than watching the shyte!
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- December 8, 2024 10:42 PM GMT
They got everything right so yep, you don't need to watch it.
Report Cider December 8, 2024 10:44 PM GMT
I don't feel like there are dozens of people involved, if they are they are combining efforts. But they are well capitalised and learned lessons from past mistakes, ie a bit more cautious.
Report Jack Bauer "24" December 8, 2024 10:46 PM GMT
Most of the money started coming after she cried in front of the camera at the start of the show. I took the view it was just casual punters thinking that was going to win it for her.
Report Cider December 8, 2024 10:50 PM GMT
ie not the insiders, even though they knew (I am assuming), Danny won yesterday. But they had the patience to wait for the next read, knowing it was coming soon. Makes me think that there aren't many involved. But most serious players will know there is informed money, so could have been caught up in the flood of Rooney cash.
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 10:59 PM GMT
It was likely about 5% in it, close enough for them to worry slightly about a hth flip
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:04 PM GMT
62.4% to 37.6% apparently
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:06 PM GMT
Lol
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:06 PM GMT
Lots of naive punters fighting the market then
Report Cider December 8, 2024 11:07 PM GMT
I've always had that nagging feeling they didn't get the percentages, due to that big turnover of Andy. It's all educated guesswork obviously but I feel like Andy had won every vote, but they couldn't have known JJ was close enough to take him out at the end. Until that last read came through.
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:09 PM GMT

Dec 8, 2024 -- 11:06PM, GeorgeBrush wrote:


Lol


saw it on twitter ;) I assume it's true Mischief

Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:10 PM GMT
Why does richard treble in price before the read?  There's still a few mysteries to solve
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:10 PM GMT
Instagram is the new twitter, which was the new fb. It's a great guide on this and BB now
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:12 PM GMT
The sun poll is dead, long live the next inanimate guru
Report Cider December 8, 2024 11:12 PM GMT
Whatever leak is in the system, someone finds out what the order is after each vote close and reset. I don't think there's any chance they see the live voting, or the percentages. I suspect this year Rooney 'won' the first two pvs then it flipped for the rest of the show to Danny. Which makes sense for someone doing well due to their profile outside of the show, then it gets swamped as people leave.
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:12 PM GMT

Dec 8, 2024 -- 11:10PM, GeorgeBrush wrote:


Why does richard treble in price before the read?

Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:13 PM GMT
I think the sun poll lacked any sort of security feature this time

Unless it's just older types reading those articles and younger ones dominating the app
Report Cider December 8, 2024 11:13 PM GMT
As Richard was below the two of them on every vote. So outside chance he flips one of them but almost impossible to flip both.
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:15 PM GMT
Glad you two have it all sussed Grin
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:15 PM GMT
Yeah, but why the timing of those lays?  Could have been any time in 24 hours
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:17 PM GMT
People dumping useless green. The same thing happened before Bellew finished 3rd ;)
Report Cider December 8, 2024 11:19 PM GMT
It all fits imo, if you knew Danny had one every single vote you'd probably go as low as 1.2. We'll find out if we get the confirmed vote reveal but if he won by miles them they wouldn't have been leaving the 1.7+ up before the f3 vote closed.
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:20 PM GMT
Lol
Report bearcub December 8, 2024 11:21 PM GMT
Your votes revealed:

Vote for Third Place:
Danny - 43.35%
Coleen- 28.87%
Richard - 27.78%

Vote for winner of the Jungle:
Danny - 59.64%
Coleen - 40.36%
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:22 PM GMT
I wasn't far off Cool
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:22 PM GMT
I thought about 60/40
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:23 PM GMT
Rev 2nd backers desperately unlucky
Report bearcub December 8, 2024 11:23 PM GMT
You da man fig Cool
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:26 PM GMT
Not on strictly Sad Still depressed about Pete & Jowita Sad
Report Cider December 8, 2024 11:27 PM GMT
Shows again that the insiders don't get the percentages or live voting. It's sacrilege but maybe betfair shouldn't have exchange betting for this at all. Or shop the insiders.
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:27 PM GMT
Always assume itv viewers are total idiots, then lower your expectations of them a few more notches and you won't go far wrong
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:28 PM GMT
We could be breeding a nation of maga equivalents
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:29 PM GMT
lol you two change your views to fit the facts
Report bearcub December 8, 2024 11:30 PM GMT
Joke is fig i made them %'s up Laugh
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:31 PM GMT
BlushPlainLaugh
Report Cider December 8, 2024 11:33 PM GMT
That's been my hypothesis all along, ever since the Andy saga. We saw those massive lays coming for two runners GK and Tyrone iirc, but CB was probably right that it was a clumsy layer with a big bank. If I remember rightly the first vote was still open at that point. Then the first Rooney plunge came after the vote closed.
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:35 PM GMT
Loads of punters were desperate for cleen to be doing well, but the market kept dragging it back. Same as many years

Oh, and they all left in odds order again
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:36 PM GMT
You must have made a fortune then Cool Just follow the insiders money
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:37 PM GMT
We should open a book on who hacked the sun poll

Evens Shraine
2/1 Gregg
7/2 Tim
6/1 bear
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:38 PM GMT
Army.  Missing all day
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:39 PM GMT
Laugh but he didn't have a bet

fingers crossed for the Lukey backers Love
Report bearcub December 8, 2024 11:39 PM GMT
I've not even seen todays Sun poll
Report stu December 8, 2024 11:40 PM GMT
Army.  Missing all day

He's hiding behind his sofa, waiting for SPOTY noms to come out
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:40 PM GMT
That why you're outsider Grin Shraine was posting it all day
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:42 PM GMT
Lukey's odds not behaving like someone who's out :)
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:43 PM GMT
Could Chris be the 1st? person to be no offers by the time of the final?

1.08 now
Report GeorgeBrush December 8, 2024 11:43 PM GMT
Tomorrow will be army's revenge :)
Report stu December 8, 2024 11:43 PM GMT
TBH I'd have said that too GB, not a big enough drift.
Report Cider December 8, 2024 11:44 PM GMT
It's not that easy to ignore your own opinions after nearly 20 years of successful specials betting, and just follow what I deem to be informed money. What I would say is I would most likely have lost on the OR this year without taking clues from the market. Not a fan of Danny at all really, as at the top of the thread the two I liked antepost were Rev and Maura to trade shorter that their SPs.
Report bearcub December 8, 2024 11:44 PM GMT
i've just seen it, Coleen 17% ahead was believable Sad
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:44 PM GMT
Laugh
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:45 PM GMT
I think he overdid it
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:48 PM GMT
tbf better than my picks cider

Tulisa Sad Barry Sad Dean Blush Oti Love
Report Cider December 8, 2024 11:49 PM GMT
It's interesting psychology anyway to still willingly play a game of cards when you know the pack is stacked. Don't need to worry about it for nearly a year anyway, gn people Cool
Report five leaves left December 8, 2024 11:50 PM GMT
Ant & Dec both picked Danny to win. They're the insiders
Report Lifter December 9, 2024 12:10 AM GMT
The most default default-winner in years. No one took him on, though
Report bearcub December 9, 2024 11:01 AM GMT
Vote for Final Three:
⭐️ Danny 41.36%
⭐️ Coleen 33.47%
⭐️ Richard 25.18%

Vote for the Winner:
Report bearcub December 9, 2024 11:02 AM GMT
Vote for the Winner:
Report bearcub December 9, 2024 11:02 AM GMT
FFS
Danny 55.21%
Coleen 44.79%
Report stu December 9, 2024 1:32 PM GMT
Coleen backers close but no cigar - great trading selection though for some I'm sure.

Without a Danny type she'd have hosed in, but he was always there.
Report GeorgeBrush December 9, 2024 1:53 PM GMT
Coleen did 0.1 better in hth vs 3 way

She's nee jordan
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