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Just at the start of the contest they show a list of the top 10 countries on screen who have won the contest the most times. in first place is Ireland with 7 wins, In second place is Sweden with 6 wins and down to joint 8th place Ukraine with 3 wins. The presenter(s) also announce that Sweden only needs one more win to have the most wins which may or may not be seen as a subtle hint to push Sweden for the win on the night. The presenter(s) also announce the return of Luxembourg to the contest.

Link to a picture of the screen showing the countries with the most number of wins of the contest: https://twitter.com/ge_aldrig_upp/status/1656978015945891844/photo/1

May 12, 2023 -- 9:07AM, Corbyguy wrote:

Just at the start of the contest they show a list of the top 10 countries on screen who have won the contest the most times. in first place is Ireland with 7 wins, In second place is Sweden with 6 wins and down to joint 8th place Ukraine with 3 wins. The presenter(s) also announce that Sweden only needs one more win to have the most wins which may or may not be seen as a subtle hint to push Sweden for the win on the night. The presenter(s) also announce the return of Luxembourg to the contest. Link to a picture of the screen showing the countries with the most number of wins of the contest: https://twitter.com/ge_aldrig_upp/status/1656978015945891844/photo/1

Hmmmit is suspicious to mention that. I don't think they did last year

They haven't done in any previous year that i am aware of where they provide a list of the top x countries who have won it the most when a new country or former country returns to the contest or even without a new or former country returning to the contest. I do find it suspicious that when they show and provide a list this year on screan that they mention that Sweden only needs one more win to have the most wins in the contest (even if they actually tie with Ireland for the most wins) when Sweden is the very hot short odds on fave to win this year with Loreen who would become the first female ever to win the contest twice. Perhaps it is just my suspicious brain that sees it.

I think any mention of a country the more it seeps into the sub consciousness of the viewer. I'm just hoping if they win it's because they're within 100 points of the top of the public vote. If it's done a Heroes of 2015 and hacked up with the jury's then it's a sad non contest already.

One of the biggest travesties was Norway topping the vote in 2019 but finishing 6th overall as the juries somehow only awarded a total of 40. Hard to fathom that.

Sweden wins this afternoons press poll. Nothing is mentioned as to how many people or votes were cast.

Top 5 as follows:

Sweden 19.10%
Finland 12.42%
Israel 8.9%
Italy 7.2%
Spain 7.01%

Link to the press poll here: https://twitter.com/escxtra/status/1657068012124483584

There will no doubt an audience poll for tonights jury dress rehearsal.

Michael Jacksons sings You'll never walk alone....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsALeGbQeM8

Sweden no back into 1.53

Someone posted on Twitter during the jury show:

"Sweden - The top screen is back in shot for the final chorus. However, so was a camera crane."

link: https://twitter.com/vDanDesign/status/1657113730428162066

Someone has now put £5500 wanting to be backed on Sweden at 1.56 obviously some trader.

amount now £8700 wanting to backed at 1.56 on Sweden.

now £9500 wanting to be backed on Sweden at 1.56 and now £1900 wanting to be backed at 1.55 on Sweden.

Sweden now 1.50

when was the last time a eurovision fav got beat?

Hopefully tomorrow. Finland are a monstrous green for me so here's hoping. Can't begrudge a Sweden win though, it's a belting Eurovision entry.

Wonder if anyone has the results of the jurors who casted their votes tonight during the 2nd dress rehearsal. That would be very powerful information to have !

The audience poll for the jury dress rehearsal has just landed:

3704 total votes. Top 5 as follows:

Finland 29.2% 1083 votes
Sweden 11.5% 411 votes
Belgium 7.9% 291 votes
Norway 7.0% 259 votes
Austria 6.6% 246 votes

You can see all 26 countries in the following tweet link here: https://twitter.com/escxtra/status/1657181792044982278

Anyone had a bet on the last place market?

The jury voting order has been revealed during tonight’s jury final rehearsal for Eurovision 2023.

The order breaks with tradition to start with last year’s champions Ukraine, before moving to the previous host country Italy, who would traditionally open. The voting closes once more with the votes from this year’s host country, the United Kingdom, with Catherine Tate presenting from the back of Liverpool Arena.

The full jury running order is as follows;

1. Ukraine
2. Italy
3. Latvia
4. Netherlands
5. Malta
6. Moldova
7. Ireland
8. San Marino
9. Azerbaijan
10. Austria
11. France
12. Finland
13. Belgium
14. Germany
15. Portugal
16. Croatia
17. Estonia
18. Armenia
19. Poland
20. Romania
21. Iceland
22. Serbia
23. Cyprus
24. Norway
25. Switzerland
26. Australia
27. Denmark
28. Spain
29. Israel
30. Sweden
31. Georgia
32. Czechia
33. Slovenia
34. Greece
35. Albania
36. Lithuania
37. United Kingdom

Good info. I'm sure someone can workout where each country is likely to do better with others - could be good for in-play

May 13, 2023 -- 9:27AM, Lifter wrote:

Anyone had a bet on the last place market?

Got 200 on Serbia 10-12s. Saver on Portugal (5s) and Australia (17s)

Israel being well supported throughout the markets.

As well as Italy.

A lot of people saying Loreen had a bad last 30 seconds in the Jury Vote yesterday, not that it will matter anyway

Loreen could perform her song without saying a word and the juries will still vote en mass for it.

Come on Croatia

It`s a Ukranian ramp-fest!

Verka

Mimi fantastic again, deserved winner!

The real Billy eilish on now

not convinced these are live vocals from Loreen

my ears

Sweden storming in 1.57 Finland pushed out. Italy now into 40's

Czechia

Dunno why that Belgian song isn't favourite - total anthem.

Mel G

May 13, 2023 -- 3:34PM, viva el presidente! wrote:

Dunno why that Belgian song isn't favourite - total anthem.

hopefully it top 3 it semi final, got £££ if it has

Moldova

Moldova were one tiny stonehenge away from immortality there.

May 13, 2023 -- 3:36PM, Smith1 wrote:

Mel G

why is she the hottest so far. Im confused

blood and glitter, satans dinner !

Germany last again....

Germany last place once more incoming

Village People reunion on now

what a shocking mess of a broadcast

Israel was alright,

Germany and Croatia was shocking and Slovenia the lad licked the camara - thats enough to see that gone.

I only saw from Germany onwards. The UK act seemed to current to win this car crash of a show

UK looking good for last place. Looked like they picked out an audience member to perform. Poor girl.

Can't see UK last

nothing to do with the betting but only the bbc could do something as lame as trying to have the commentator do presenting duties on the main show as well. he ain't god, ffs.

moldova in to 200

you'd needing spinning right round

Cornelia

Cornelia

Took Mel G away from important churning duties too, Cider.

viva

I prefer the original, tbf

proper tune

YNWA

Should do the theme from Z-Cars for balance, really.

Israel the standout act top 4 finish
ta

Sweden doing even better with the juries than projected

So are Finland. But Sweden have a huge lead

need a 350+ Finland tele vote and sweden flop

340 jury points for Sweden

2nd highest ever

190 pts ahead of Finland

There was no point in betting Finland before the jury reveal.

Germany last confirmed

same point allocation as recent years?

Finland could get 191 pts and Loreen would still be super nervous before getting her points.

sweden won

There was Finland 22 to lay while Sweden was 1.02 to lay but I missed it.

result was known after israel as was over 200 points left to allocate

yeah I figured so, but hadn't read up on points allocation.

sad that the juries have had such an affect on result

apparantly Finland backer hadn't either.

See you all in 2024

Loreen will do the 'Redrum' and win it 3 times and beat Johnny logan

Loreen isn't cutting her nails until she loses a Eurovision.

No point in pratting about for months on this, just basic logic and in running you clean up ! Everyone knows what's going to happen, but the market gets sucked in every time anyway.

Jurors handed Sweden a win. Another year with a public vote landslide winner being robbed. Really don't think any act which isn't within 100 points of topping the public vote should be allowed to win, it's crazy.

Do you want the juries scrapped or just having less influence? Market would be quite boring and predictable with the former, no?

I think less influence ideally. Or at least a bit more objective. Loreen doubling others scores is simply crazy imho.

The former they could do. As for more objective, they're going to vote for who they like so not really possible. But a 66.6% people and 33.3% jury instead of 50/50 could work.

That is what I was thinking. Probably deemed too convoluted for the masses though !

What does it matter? With all the markets available you can bet on just the televote result. But Finland was 1.7 on that, not 4.7.

It's not a market/money point I am making. As a fan of the contest and impartiality it just feels unprincipled to me that a song over 100 points out of topping the public vote can get crowned best song of Europe. Poor lad from Finland clearly deserves that accolade but has not got it. But of course this happens a lot, and it's part of the contest sadly.

Australia won the 2nd semi final according to some Aussie presenters. Great news if true

Germany's record is quite astonishing. In the last 8 editions they have FOUR last places and THREE second to last places. They and the UK are happy to have each other.

results of the first semi final:

1.

1. Finland 177
2. Sweden 135
3. Israel 127
4. Czechia 110
5. Moldova 109
6. Norway 1024
7. Switzerland 97
8. Croatia 76
9. Portugal 74
10. Serbia 34

11. Latvia 34
12. Ireland 10
13. Netherlands 7
14. Azerbaijan 4
15. Malta 3

Link to semi final one results here: https://eurovision.tv/event/liverpool-2023/first-semi-final

results of the second semi final:

1. Australia 149    
2. Austria 137    
3. Poland 124    
4. Lithuania 110    
5. Slovenia 103    
6. Armenia 99    
7. Cyprus 94    
8. Belgium 90    
9. Albania 83    
10. Estonia 74

   
11. Iceland 44    
12. Georgia 33    
13. Greece 14    
14. Denmark 6    
15. San Marino 0         
16 Romania 0

Link here: https://eurovision.tv/event/liverpool-2023/second-semi-final

In the televote of the grandfinal Finland received a total of 18 12's whereas Sweden did not receive a single 12.

Disparity of the final votes and semi final votes is crazy again in some countries here !

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In the televote of the grandfinal Finland received a total of 18 12's whereas Sweden did not receive a single 12.

Finland were never gonna win it ....... next years hosts bordering with russia again was always going to be a non-starter

May 13, 2023 -- 6:12PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:

Jurors handed Sweden a win. Another year with a public vote landslide winner being robbed. Really don't think any act which isn't within 100 points of topping the public vote should be allowed to win, it's crazy.

Have to agree. To be honest, the ABBA 50-year anniversary being in Sweden says it all.

It was only the UK's 'association' with Ukraine that saved the UK from the lanterne rouge. 9 points out of the 24. I did not really factor that into my analysis.

May 14, 2023 -- 12:37PM, TheBetterBettor wrote:

corbyguyDate Joined: 01 Jan 06Add contact | Send message14 May 23 02:09Joined: 01 Jan 06 | Topic/replies: 3,668 | Blogger: Corbyguy's blogIn the televote of the grandfinal Finland received a total of 18 12's whereas Sweden did not receive a single 12.Finland were never gonna win it ....... next years hosts bordering with russia again was always going to be a non-starter

how is this relevant?

It's not a market/money point I am making. As a fan of the contest and impartiality it just feels unprincipled to me that a song over 100 points out of topping the public vote can get crowned best song of Europe. Poor lad from Finland clearly deserves that accolade but has not got it. But of course this happens a lot, and it's part of the contest sadly.





At worst they should award something for winning the public vote.




Totally bizarre ( or fantastic) that polling (and comment) could pick up that
Sweden wins, but Finland wins public vote.

Finland were never gonna win it ....... next years hosts bordering with russia again was always going to be a non-starter.

"how is this relevant?"


it's either a genius insight or a david icke phuckwhitisism,  personally I think it is more likely to be the former than the latter.

May 16, 2023 -- 5:25PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

It's not a market/money point I am making. As a fan of the contest and impartiality it just feels unprincipled to me that a song over 100 points out of topping the public vote can get crowned best song of Europe. Poor lad from Finland clearly deserves that accolade but has not got it. But of course this happens a lot, and it's part of the contest sadly.At worst they should award something for winning the public vote.Totally bizarre ( or fantastic) that polling (and comment) could pick up thatSweden wins, but Finland wins public vote.

didn't understand this post at all.

It's not a market/money point I am making. As a fan of the contest and impartiality it just feels unprincipled to me that a song over 100 points out of topping the public vote can get crowned best song of Europe. Poor lad from Finland clearly deserves that accolade but has not got it. But of course this happens a lot, and it's part of the contest sadly.





At worst they should award something for winning the public vote.













That's me agreeing with your post, and suggesting they
at least make an award for public vote.


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Totally bizarre ( or fantastic) that polling (and comment) could pick up that
Sweden wins, but Finland wins public vote.




Just a comment that folk knew what would happen in voting.

How they know what jury decides is spookily good
by market makers.