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By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 23 Sep 18 21:37
My favourite dancer at this very early stage. I loved his jive Love
By:
lookingon
When: 23 Sep 18 21:49
Cool
By:
Henry VIII
When: 08 Oct 18 12:19
They've got a dilemma with Joe. In a year where the women are so much better than the men, who are almost all poor, they've got to big up the best man ie Joe. But they also don't want anybody's prior fans to unfairly skew the final result.

He's got to be around for a long while anyway.
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 08 Oct 18 16:58
Yes he's my biggest Green and whilst he's perhaps surprised us and is decent he isn't exactly great is he.  Thought his ballroom this week was quite average.  That said seems a very nice young man which isn't a bad thing so hope he keeps improving.
By:
lookingon
When: 08 Oct 18 21:12
I agree with you both Henry & Lou.
Thought he was really good week 1 for a non dancer but not so impressed this week.
I still have him a good green but have laid off a lot of my stake as happy to have backed him at good prices.

If it wasn't for his fanbase I'd of laid of all my stake and have him as a free bet.

Will be interesting to see how he progresses.
By:
lookingon
When: 08 Oct 18 21:14
By the way I had never heard of him before Strictly but I know of 5 people (very young) who never usually watch strictly and are now watching every week because he is in it.Shocked
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 14 Oct 18 00:24
Decent again but his likeability more of a vote winner than his dance ability.  Has to improve to even make final for me.

He's my biggest green but not at all confident he wins it.
By:
lookingon
When: 15 Oct 18 18:59
Joe @ 6.00 Shocked
Laid of the rest of my stake and will take a free ride Cool
By:
five leaves left
When: 15 Oct 18 19:01
Yep, a bit weird that one. He was great the 1st week. Jive really suited him. But downhill since then
By:
Henry VIII
When: 15 Oct 18 19:05
They've got to have at least one male going far. So it falls to the stick insect, although Danny looks like he's had some dance training.
By:
lookingon
When: 15 Oct 18 19:33
To be perfectly honest I haven't enjoyed his dancing the last 2 weeks.
If he gets to the final it will only be because he has a HUGE fanbase.
By:
lookingon
When: 15 Oct 18 19:57
Maybe some one knows the voting and that's why he's so short.
By:
CharlieCroker69
When: 16 Oct 18 13:25
must be the voting cant be his dancing
By:
CharlieCroker69
When: 16 Oct 18 13:27
if his vote was too much would they try and get rid of him before the final to keep it competitive?
By:
timbuctooth
When: 16 Oct 18 20:19
No, probably not, as the belief is that TPTB recruited him specifically for his younger following, so you`d have to assume they`re in no great hurry to be rid of him. And even if the vote is uncompetitive, it doesn`t matter, because viewers won`t know it.
By:
five leaves left
When: 16 Oct 18 20:27
I suspect, as we've seen in many other shows, it's more the market being afraid of his millions of followers, rather than anyone placing bets knowing he's doing very well in the vote.

Awaits Star leak, to be proved wrong
By:
timbuctooth
When: 16 Oct 18 20:51
Suspect your right; I was answering a hypothetical, one I`m inclined to doubt as well.
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 17 Oct 18 09:08
Thing is we all know the sort of standards they reach towards the end where the top few all look really good and worthy of nines, even tens.

Whilst we can see Ash and Faye are almost there already and Stacey seems capable apart from those three with a possible chance too for Vicki who's young, supple and not started badly at all who else is there, the others just aren't going to be that standard mainly due to their age.  How can someone like Kate hit those heights, Charles the same and whilst Lauren is young and fit she's just not good enough IMO.  Graeme or Seann to win it?  Surely not.

With Joe however he does have all the right attributes and has started pretty well.  What with his nice demeanour, "Aah isn't he sweet" way about him and possible big following because of his popular 'Blogger' status and of course he's the only male realistically that can challenge the girls he's in with a shout.

So for me it's the three obvious girls with a possible chance for Joe and Vicki and you can forget the rest.
By:
CharlieCroker69
When: 17 Oct 18 09:48
i had a bet on this show a few weeks ago but im increasingly worried joe could have this won already. if he tops the public vote every week he will win the whole thing no matter where hes positioned on the leaderboard. however logically if hes was so far ahead his price would be significantly shorter than 6.
By:
CharlieCroker69
When: 17 Oct 18 10:00
can accept losing fair and square but hate giving it away.
By:
five leaves left
When: 17 Oct 18 11:42
That's always a risk with specials. That you're betting against people who 'know' the result. But a tiny one imo
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 17 Oct 18 15:00
charlie

Of course though who knows if he's topping the vote every week.  He seems a popular young man and of course his 'Blog' can't be a bad thing but who knows he could be scraping through.  I'm just happy that he goes through each week somehow.
By:
Peter Petrelli
When: 19 Oct 18 12:56
I have Joe as a green although I laid a little a few days ago.  I’ll be keeping the green as there is too much risk in taking him red IMHO.  It looks like his odds are based in part on his YouTube views and likes.  The key issue is whether these views are translating into votes.  If we knew the answer to that question, his odds would be either 2.00 or 20.

Two points.

First, several successful male winners, and even more finalists, have improved over the series, often not catching up with the experienced dancers until, say, late November.  I see that no-one is making the case that Joe might improve in a similar manner.  He shares the same attributes as other male improvers e.g. young, hard-working, musical ear.  He’s also not afraid to act out a role which is something that several previous male improvers lacked at least initially.

Second, the YouTube stats are astonishing.  This week he has 5-6 times the views of Seann who is second, and around 9 times the views of Stacey who is third.  One possibility is that his views come from many repeat viewings from a relatively small number of teenage girls.  However, the unique likes stats should take care of that as each viewer can post only one like.  This week Joe has 30 times the number of likes of his nearest competitor.

Here are the detailed YouTube stats for this week’s dances as of yesterday evening.  I’m not sure how this table will appear in the post but there are three numbers after each contestant representing views, likes and dislikes.

Week 04    Joe Sugg    706,947    19,780    149
Week 04    Seann Walsh    121,603    613    528
Week 04    Stacey Dooley    78,197    622    26
Week 04    Ashley Roberts    62,721    540    36
Week 04    Faye Tozer    51,650    486    9
Week 04    Charles Venn    41,782    295    14
Week 04    Kate Silverton    40,655    283    9
Week 04    Graeme Swann    38,606    380    10
Week 04    Katie Piper    35,129    215    14
Week 04    Vick Hope    34,847    397    16
Week 04    Lauren Steadman    32,587    439    9
Week 04    Ranj Singh    30,955    259    12
Week 04    Danny John-Jules    20,873    217    7
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 19 Oct 18 15:06
Peter

Yes well said and all these points only sound pluses for Joe so I hope you're right as ideally he's the one I want to win.

Good stuff Sir.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 19 Oct 18 18:26
Peter; reasoned argument backed with evidence? You should post more often
By:
lookingon
When: 19 Oct 18 18:55
Great post Peter Cool
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 23 Oct 18 08:35
Once again fairly decent but he's had a few dances now and just doesn't seem good enough compared to the three girls.  When is he going to really get it like say the other 'Joe' did last year who became about an 8/10 dancer by the end.  What would you rate this Joe at now about a 6?  I don't see how I could give him 7 in all honesty.

Do hope he starts picking it up as although he's looking finals bound maybe I just wonder that the public will ultimately see he's not in the same league as Ash, Faye and less so Stacey so he'll fall short.

Come on Joe!
By:
Peter Petrelli
When: 23 Oct 18 11:25
Thanks for the comments.  I’m not going to post stats every week as they get boring after a while if they’re just saying the same thing.  However, I tried something different this week.

Another argument against Joe’s stats is that his videoblog viewers may not watch the show or catch the voting window.  We can’t test for that directly as the videos are not posted by the BBC until about 21:30 – after the voting window closes.  The best we can do is to look at very early stats and assume that early video viewers are most likely to have been viewers of the show.

Here are three sets of stats showing the build-up of views for week 05.  They are in the same format as before i.e. views, likes, dislikes.  Stats are:

Week 05 @ + 1 hour after publication
Week 05 @ + 24 hours
Top 10 videos of the series @ week 05 + 50 hours.

Week 05 @ + 1 hour – same story as before.

Week 05    Joe Sugg    13,864    1,730    8
Week 05    Charles Venn    1,683    186    3
Week 05    Danny John-Jules    1,548    170    3
Week 05    Lauren Steadman    848    100    5
Week 05    Stacey Dooley    832    97    7
Week 05    Ashley Roberts    711    79    1
Week 05    Graeme Swann    540    58    3
Week 05    Seann Walsh    441    30    19
Week 05    Faye Tozer    416    51    2
Week 05    Vick Hope    400    37    4
Week 05    Kate Silverton    264    26    4
Week 05    Ranj Singh    256    33    0


Week 05 @ + 24 hours – Danny & Charles are doing very well this week.  Joe is only ahead of them by a factor of 3.  Relatively speaking, they have caught up a bit with Joe in comparison with the + 1 hour stats.

Week 05    Joe Sugg    294,386    10,526    63
Week 05    Danny John-Jules    91,026    1,065    17
Week 05    Charles Venn    87,729    1,495    17
Week 05    Stacey Dooley    52,714    626    28
Week 05    Lauren Steadman    41,759    571    18
Week 05    Ashley Roberts    37,932    541    10
Week 05    Vick Hope    25,124    201    15
Week 05    Seann Walsh    23,905    160    93
Week 05    Graeme Swann    22,165    313    7
Week 05    Faye Tozer    21,268    264    7
Week 05    Ranj Singh    20,919    184    3
Week 05    Kate Silverton    13,921    149    5


Top 10 videos of the series @ week 05 + 50 hours – a clean sweep for Joe.  However, it’s fair to say that Joe’s stats have fallen from the first two weeks even bearing in mind that those videos have been up for longer.  That might be down to the types of dance in the first two weeks (Jive and Charleston are always popular).  Alternatively, maybe some of Joe’s blog viewers watched the first two dances but then lost interest in the show.

For comparison with a couple of the all-time best performing Strictly videos, Jay McGuinness’s jive has 3.8 million views after 3 years, while Danny Mac’s samba has 2.6 million views after 2 years.

Week 01    Joe Sugg    2,067,408    60,651    470
Week 02    Joe Sugg    1,362,511    40,266    324
Week 03    Joe Sugg    831,416    23,949    173
Week 04    Joe Sugg    779,086    20,633    160
Week 05    Joe Sugg    371,817    12,277    74
Week 03    Seann Walsh    364,715    2,301    177
Week 03    Faye Tozer    300,431    2,800    47
Week 03    Stacey Dooley    224,084    1,648    61
Week 03    Ashley Roberts    213,051    2,204    88
Week 01    Stacey Dooley    203,019    1,224    31

Finally, Joe and Dianne are now doing a video each week where they show Joe’s progress on each dance.  They are a bit Blue Peter presenter-ish for my taste, but they do show his improvement through the week.  These videos include the full Saturday performance, so anyone who is interested in Joe, but not Strictly, doesn’t now need to go to the BBC site to see his dances, so those viewers WILL NOT be adding to the BBC video stats.   Here’s their Cha Cha Cha video which currently has about 500,000 views.  Note that he explains the narrow voting window at the end of the video to encourage blog viewers to vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFEfsip-xUg
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 23 Oct 18 13:50
Peter

Yes excellent stuff and all these stats can't be a bad thing in Joe's favour so fingers crossed .........
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 28 Oct 18 14:23
Thought Joe was better last night, getting a bit closer to the real good two girl dancers.  Got a way to go to be in their league but ticking along very nicely and final 4 beckons IMO.
By:
Henry VIII
When: 29 Oct 18 09:02
It would be useful to know how many of Joe's followers are in the UK as successful YouTube and Twitter accounts have no borders and the UK is a small minority of English speakers.
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 29 Oct 18 09:11
To be fair Henry taking his online popularity status aside he does deserve to be still in it on dance capabilities alone.  I'd grade him about 5th or 6th best at the moment and seems to be improving.
By:
Henry VIII
When: 29 Oct 18 09:19
Yes and all the men are so dire.
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 29 Oct 18 09:28
I think Danny is very good and Charles too to be fair but I'm large red on both of them so want them out.  More worried about Danny of the two obviously.
By:
five leaves left
When: 29 Oct 18 12:00

Oct 29, 2018 -- 9:02AM, Henry VIII wrote:


It would be useful to know how many of Joe's followers are in the UK as successful YouTube and Twitter accounts have no borders and the UK is a small minority of English speakers.


I tried to find this out one morning, without much luck. Google certainly didn't have the answer. He's been to youtube events in the States so I assume he has a big following over there. What percentage is anyones guess. Though the Americans love a well spoken English guy, so quite a few I suspect

By:
five leaves left
When: 29 Oct 18 12:02
...his sister is very popular in the States. Had a best selling book over there
By:
johnnyrant
When: 30 Oct 18 19:55
Joe is worth £1.6 million apparently Shocked
By:
lookingon
When: 04 Nov 18 09:46
He has really progressed for a "non dancer" and I really enjoyed his dance last night. Happy
By:
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B
When: 04 Nov 18 10:02
looking

Yes done really well and good again last night but doesn't have the 'Wow' factor like a Ash or Faye would.

For me I'd rate his dance skills all round at about 7/10 whereas the other two are surely 9's they're terrific every week and Stacey an 8/10 for me so talent wise he's got to improve I think.
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