Richard odds on, but exposed as a FRAUD!!! Live, on national TV!!!

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The sun stick the knife in tomorrow, this smells of Cowell, he may not be the golden boy after all

Britain's Got Talent fave Richard Jones caught stealing ANOTHER trick but claims ‘that’s what magic is all about’

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/7174714/Thats-what-magic-is-all-about-Britains-Got-Talent-fave-Richard-Jones-caught-stealing-ANOTHER-trick.html

Worse than post stealing imo

Genuinely cannot believe the price of this guy. I'm no magician but I can do that first trick. I don't have the Beckham and can of tea 'props', but I know how to write both of them on every page of the other side of a pad I have just flicked through, let Amanda and Big Dave clamp them down and see just one page and then 'THROW THEM AWAY IN ANGER' . . . . . . Please, please, please GET RID OF THE PADS IMMEDIATELY :)

The second trick was just a 'tell me when to stop . . . . . but I already know where I am stopping it' trick and a couple of derivatives based around that wasn't it? Once he puts that picture in the book (which was there to hide the fact there was no text on the page facing) 'Bottom' was always going to be the word he displayed later (probably done with some sort of wax).
The receipt part was true 'wizardry' though . . . . I liked that bit a lot :). I also liked it last year when a clown performed a similar trick at my little girls 3rd Birthday party and the children went wild. The clown stupidly didn't have any music causing great suspense at her party so it was nowhere near as good and the clown would definitely not have made it through to the final imho.


Anyway, accused of stealing both tricks and clearly not perfect with the 'this morning' one yet the market indicates a 50% of winning the show?? I need help here fellas. I have lost my 'magic circle' membership and need to win cash on this market and other than being a front line soldier , I don't see why he leads the market. If somebody can help me (& stop me doing my brains) it would be greatly appreciated.

Here goes Chepster

Firstly he was odds on because of weight of money from one punter, not several punters imo.  His price movement will depend very heavily on that one person, how determined he is, how deep his pockets are and how confident he is.  Personally, I think trying to force the price down with weight of money is normally a mistake.  This fellow is no Attraction, Spelbound or Susan Boyle, and Susan Boyle got beat.

Secondly, it's not just because he's a front line soldier, it's his impeccable bedside manner, he's the son in law every Middle England mum yearns for and the doctor who every female patient wants to see.  As an individual he's far more of a vote magnet than the other three possible pimps, Beau, Jasmine and the Choir, even though the genre isn't. 

Thirdly, it's his App score of 96%? by far the highest I believe.

Fourthly, it's about timing and editing, because a magician is due.

This is really not a show for smashing down the price of the fave.  In 9 shows so far I believe in only 2 of them the fave on the morning of the final won, although I believe Collabro were fave by the start of the show and 7 of the 9 winners were in the top 3 in the betting, the exceptions being George Sampson (who possibly could've been 3rd fave, but I think was 4th or 5th) and Diversity.

both dancers, c'mon balance you can still do it

Cheers for the reply Clyde. Good unbiased well written post. Well, apart from your little man crush in para 2 .

I just find him, dare I say it, a little bit boring (Jay James) and (this is the bit that worries me) a middle of the road non contender. I hate the fact I feel like that when he sits there as fav, hence my shoutout on this forum for posts like yours that may allow me a different way of thinking. 

All the positives you mention in para 2 feel like minor negatives to me once you take the RV aspect away. I question first and foremost how he wins the show? Has he got an (original) trick that will wow us on finals night - Possibly - but Secondly, what can they do with this guy if he does win? Close up magic doesn't sell out theaters. Big majestic acts might but even they struggle. What they are left with if this guy wins is somebody they will struggle use - apart from on the occasional TV prog where he can perform one off tricks. His lack of originality early on probably questions even this.

If it is one person that has pushed him down to this price they no doubt have deeper pockets than I do so whilst I have involvement (although nowhere near the levels I thought I would be at when I saw his price), I might just turn off Betfair until Saturday evening.

"Fourthly, it's about timing and editing, because a magician is due."

They may not now want this particular magician because he's copied a trick in its entirety on their sister show AGT. I don't believe Cowell knew that at the time. Cowell wasn't a judge on that particular AGT. This is a new development and not one that is good for the BGT brand.

If he has to copy so completely does he have the imagination to do something new on Saturday? Or will he be honest and therefore dull. Many new magicians give an inferior performance in the final because their best stuff is used already.

It is about timing though and a child prodigy winner is well overdue.

Chepster; CB sums it up perfectly in his second paragraph. Not sure I agree about it being one backer, though, as virtually all of this forum recognised the value of his `second paragraph` qualities, and have been backing him all along. Reasonable red for me, but ignore that, as I`m a serial default layer of short-priced RTV favs. 
Bottom line? TPTB almost certainly did want him, but may not now. With these late signs suggesting `not`, I`ve taken him redder.

Cheers for replying Tim. Pretty reasonable red here too and still contemplating going in again. I think I will see the impact on prices after tonight's show though first.

Been away from reality markets for quite a while & not sure I have the confidence to go max red so appreciate contributions - particularly from those who also declare their positions

Chepster I thought at first you were talking about Betfred's position. Are you still a compiler?

When Richard was plunging down to the 1.7s it seemed like there were loads of backers leapfrogging each other. Why do you think it was just one Clyde?

BTW with the right slot and act I do think Richard could win. I've just been trying to point out contrary points that it seems many have overlooked.

PM(ed) you Henry

well done H, date secured

Henry it's the way big lumps have been placed at the shorter end of the market.  Virtually nothing was placed in front of the lumps and when they were taken, which is a sure sign the majority think it's too short and can't get any shorter, new lumps came straight back in.  Personally, I think it was someone on heavily at bigger prices, determined to keep the price down, thinking the job was done.  I think the market would've settled a good quarter point higher without it.

Obv it's not one backer, just think it was nearly all one backer at the low end of the market.

Oh there clearly was one chap in the last few days, but other than that, I`m unconvinced. As you say, once he was gone from 1.80, Richard`s price is now a quarter of a point higher. Well, a little bit more, but close enough.

get ya bum over too tonight's thread clyde, and give us your extremely thoughtful insight

Just seen your post, I think we might all agree that it`s been `nearly all one backer at the low end of the market.`

jeeez, well done boys
thats a rap, move it

So, we`re left with the question; at what point, if any, does he become value? Assuming a dreadful slot is one thing, but will they allow him to get away lightly, or will they give him what he deserves, quadruple-barrelling him with the Richfraud stuff?. If the slot`s as bad as the market thinks, you`d have to assume they`re very upset with him, that he won`t be winning, and that 1000 wouldn`t be value.
As red as his Bearskin, for me, and staying there.

Oh, embarrassing myself again; it`s not the Bearskin,is it, but you know what I mean, that scarlet jacket they wear.

Why didn't you go with 'baboons a$$'?

the slot may be bad, or his trick may be sh1t, people will have seen his rehearsal

Well, he pulled it off. After having us believe he was no more than a fraudster, he pulled off perhaps the greatest act of deception ever visited upon the GBP. And in a blatantly unashamed fraudulent manner, to boot! He told us; `I`m a fraud, I`m going to con you. Right here, right now, live on national TV. And, what`s more, you`re going to love me for doing it` Then he proceeded to do exactly that, utterly mesmerising voters. Brilliantly audacious in its simplicity, a thing of genius;  pure poetry in motion, in its conception and execution.
And the whole thing being done at the expense of the Meister Fraudster, himself! The irony is just too sweet.
Richard Jones, I salute you.


Imagine the fun at Cowell Towers this morning;
`how did he win? HTF DID HE WIN? I buried him in second, he COULDN`T win from there! I`ve read the bf forum, I know second slot CAN NOT win! Knew I should have humiliated him with the `fraud` stuff! Those phucking producers; they told me it wouldn`t be necessary, might even generate a sympathy vote? Heads will roll!

`

Brings to mind a Bond film, (fortunately replete with the perfectly named villain, as well)
Our newly crowned handsome hero, saviour of the Universe, plays Bond;

`Do you expect me to lose, Goldfinger?`
`No, I expect you to die, Mr Bond``

Few minutes later, with one bound, he was free; Bond`s enjoying a threesome, and Goldfinger`s wondering why he tried to be clever, and hadn`t shot Bond with the `fraud` gun, thereby killing him off irrevocably.

Didn't partake this year, but what price did this jolly drift out to before he won, thanks?

Sounded like he had the full anti-treatment, but just shows it can fail to eliminate the target.

check horse's thread, on there
21's i think

wow, as big as that...I should have played it then!