*** CBB 2016 The Grand Final ***

When does BB start?

ages away thank feck, im all typed out
need a break

Feb 6, 2016 -- 12:11AM, bearcub wrote:

I thought he sounded good

I agree with bear

Feb 6, 2016 -- 12:11AM, George Bailey wrote:

I said she was miles ahead of Darren Frog but he beat her

USA CB likes who can't vote?

Scotty T blowing Megan off as he's back in the GS house tomorrow and wants a free license to bang birds. Brilliant.

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Feb 6, 2016 -- 12:16AM, Froggitt wrote:

Feb  6, 2016 -- 12:11AM, George Bailey wrote:I said she was miles ahead of Darren Frog but he beat herUSA CB likes who can't vote?

Definitely some of this. BBPolls told me if they took out Yank ISPs Stephanie was beating her

GB, you were correct. I some how was wrong. I traded out ages ago. Just needed to let you know

No gloating from me 666...I might have called Tiffany right but I played it very badly...minimum wage stuff for me but a win is a win.

Feb 6, 2016 -- 12:21AM, George Bailey wrote:

I don't believe there was a significant US vote on polls or social media. Certainly not one to account for Tiff doing twice as well Dazza and yet if those earlier figures are correct, Dazza actually beating her 2 to 1
It was the usual DS type loons boosting her numbers

When all's said and done it's only right to state the facts. I'm only guessing his mass of Twitter followers somehow managed to get the numbers in the right order when voting for him

Depends how you define "significant" fll. Numbers are in my tweets with BBPolls...iirc Tiffany was 3% ahead but was 3% behind after foreign ISPs stripped out.

We know twitter followers mean jack sh1t 666. How many did Ricci have? Its always won in the house. Kind of feels like the right result I guess.

Feb 6, 2016 -- 12:28AM, George Bailey wrote:

Depends how you define "significant" fll. Numbers are in my tweets with BBPolls...iirc Tiffany was 3% ahead but was 3% behind after foreign ISPs stripped out.

Not significant then

Maybe it was lost in the house? Tiff appeared well ahead going into the last week, then started acting a little slutty towards Scutty

Feb 6, 2016 -- 12:31AM, five leaves left wrote:

Feb  6, 2016 -- 12:28AM, George Bailey wrote:Depends how you define "significant" fll. Numbers are in my tweets with BBPolls...iirc Tiffany was 3% ahead but was 3% behind after foreign ISPs stripped out.Not significant then

Significant enough for the poll to be right in respect of the pair of them

Feb 6, 2016 -- 12:31AM, 666_v wrote:

Maybe it was lost in the house? Tiff appeared well ahead going into the last week, then started acting a little slutty towards Scutty

I made several references to Julie Goodyear...seems apposite I think. Turned MEMs off. Plus I think she went from the TCO to getting thrown under the bus in the edit in the last few days. Linked to her voting figures I suspect.

I am NOT looking at any social media figures in future. Once useful they are now downright costly....KP 9s the night before the final and unloved...Chloe (who?)....Scotty (though tbf some on here scoffed at my twitter stats re him and it looks like they were the most accurate )

Hopefully we'll be able to have an easier time in the regular BB. At least they won't have (x) fans walking in the house

They do that in BB too.

If Scutty didn't have all of his fans before the show, would he have won due to what he'd done in the house? I doubt it very much

Sorry, I misunderstood your post. I thought you were talking about the people from the BOTS crowd going in to question the housemates but you were talking about existing fan-bases.

If my uncle had t1ts he'd be my aunty. Gemma had more arguably but they didn't help her. Ricci has 710,000 twatters but he never looked like winning.

He won simply because he's from GS. He barely featured throughout, even Darren contributed a lot more.

Yeah I forgot Ricci won

Put it this way, do you think he would have won if he was from TOWIE instead of GS? I certainly don't.

I think you are 100% wrong to say he won "simply because" he was from GS. He was liked in GS but others are liked in TOWIE. People go into the house loved and hated but its won in the house. He was a nice, enthusiastic guy and that came across and that was enough for many MEMs to vote for him despite them never having seen GS I suspect.

Ultimately you are saying anybody who had never seen GS would never vote for him. Nah.

Maybe there were only realistically 5 runners in the race. The other 4 just threw it away, and he was left the last man standing

I'm saying that GS fans seem to be very motivated to actually vote in these shows whereas fans of other shows like TOWIE don't seem to vote for their contestants even though they also have a huge number of twitter followers.

No TOWIE member has ever gone close to winning even though the viewing and voting demographic is probably more in line with CBB and IAC. I don't believe it was the MEM vote that won it for him but the motivated GS fans.

Feb 6, 2016 -- 1:19AM, 666_v wrote:

Maybe there were only realistically 5 runners in the race. The other 4 just threw it away, and he was left the last man standing

I don't think anyone throws it away the winner just wins. No Scotty and Step would have been a worthy winner. As usual viewer's opinions firm up last few days...even over four weeks its a marathon not a sprint...Devon Loch?

Wright got very close to winning IAC. And you still haven't explained why Ricci flopped.

Alternatively the Geordies are just nicer, more genuine people than the Essex money grabbing self obsessed coonts. Geordie always voted the best/most trusted accent iirc. I hate generalisations though

Wright is the only one to come close but he was TCO from the start and featured very heavily throughout and still got turned over despite trading 1.2ish in the final.

Ricci didn't have the qualities to win and didn't even make the final. If he'd made the final then the fan-base may have been motivated to vote. But that series was dominated by Gary Busey who was the star of the show from start to finish and is in my view the best winner ever.

Scotty had the qualities to win in what ended up a poor field but I don't think he deserved it on what we saw as he contributed very little and I don't think he would have won without the GS vote.

The Geordie vote is probably the strongest regional vote in England.

So you have to have the quality to get the vote? Yes indeedy. Therefore fan base means jack sh1t really. Scotty contributed more than Sam or Chloe.

There is no regional English vote

And the winner is always the most "deserving" its just that the definition of "deserving" changes....nice and kind...most entertaining...most bullied...biggest journey....

Sam and Chloe were in BB. We have had this debate before years ago. Nice is favoured in BB and entertaining is favoured in CBB.

Not this series...like I posted before...Golden Rules get broken all the time...

Those are the basic rules voters adhere to, imo. The celebs are paid a fee to entertain the viewer, the civilians are competing for the prize-money. The viewers don't want nasty people winning the money.

OK you win....Scotty had won before he even entered the house...and Charlotte...and Vicki...specials betting is easy

....Helen was pretty nasty mind...another Golden Rule broken

...after she had won Twitter was seething

All I'm saying is that it's a massive advantage being from GS. They still have to have the qualities to win as both Charlotte and Vicky did. My concern is that these markets are going to be ruined if this continues as you won't get the chance to back them at decent prices. Any decent contenders from GS will be opening up at evens in future shows.

I wish it was Ricci on next then and opening up at evens. Anyway how many more are there from that show? No idea never watched it.

Helen was a one off. Given a pass to the final and then the producers managed to hand her victory by unwittingly turning her into a sympathy figure.

Feb 6, 2016 -- 1:49AM, George Bailey wrote:

And the winner is always the most "deserving" its just that the definition of "deserving" changes....nice and kind...most entertaining...most bullied...biggest journey....

This is true. If Scotty hadn't been kind and good humoured, if others had acted differently GS wouldn't have counted. The winner has to have certain attributes, that Scotty had.

Feb 5, 2016 -- 11:59PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:

He'd have submitted a complain to the integrity team and may have found the guilty culprit(s).

You could do this. Ask them to only look at accounts that both only bet on the last day and only bet on BB.

Tiffany was sub 2.0 going into the final day, led every barometer going basically. It would have been slightly strange had she drifted above 2.0+. usually you'd expect odds on favourites winning on every barometer to go even heavier odds on like they used to before insiders (remember Kenzie and Samanda?). However she drifted to 9.0+. Feel free to draw your own conclusions, but I've been doing this for 10+ years and am aware that level of drift with Scotty going from circa 3.0 into 1.2 in the same space of time (pre Tiffanys exit) is 100% the work of someone "in the know". I'm not here to convince anyway as either you're clever and understand market mechanics and that insiders cleared up on Scotty T and took a lot of niaives people money, or you come up with "mass realization" theories which is about as water tight as Peter Burns saying he hasn't had any plastic surgery.

I'm going to put it forward to Betfair as it's surely in all our interests that the markets remain.

Good idea to ask BF to look into it but tbh its a bit premature to be judge and jury before they have investigated. The insiders seem to be selective too....maybe they are level now after going all in on Joel?

Chloe's price crashed in on final day against all barometers as well. I'd assume this was the work of a few as their greed gave the game away.

I reckon its Emma...needs the cash to feed her various habits

Well done Angie but you're simply wrong when you say "100% is the work of someone in the know".

Don't get too carried away on this.

There were many indicators to me, and therefore obviously to others, that Scotty was going to win and Tiff was under-priced. Things that only became apparent in the last 2 days.

Tiffany was sub 2.0 going into the final day, led every barometer going basically

That's just wrong. Scotty led the FB likes on the final day and I had him leading on twitter on the night. Steph was top on TM
So she wasn't leading any barometers apart from the useless DS and bbspy
People were maybe also backing on the edit. Yet another shocker for Tiff and all of a sudden Daniella is saying how lovely Scotty and Steph are. That followed the previous nights show where Scotty and Steph had the task

Maybe there were insiders. No reason why you can't ring them up and ask them to look at it. It might stop you whining on here for a few minutes

I've taken the discussion to my key accounts manager. No worries.

FWIW Tiffany beat Steph on TM comfortably. Steph's voting was hacked hence her irregular sectionals.

Seems some just don't want to believe in the face of fragrant foul play.

Both of their figures were hacked. The total number of votes tells you that. I suspect Scotty would have been doing much better if it wasn't for the dodgy votes for Steph and Tiff

Well if BF say no insiders we are still left scratching our heads and my "mass realisation" theory still plausible imo. There was a general consensus on here that Tiffany's game playing and increasingly cringy sexual antics with young men was starting to play badly with MEMs. Stephanie's trajectory still had mileage.

yes fig

Tiffany's sectionals were consistent and matched those of BBSpy and TIBB. I'd be surprised if they were hacked.

frog ahead of the curve

Nobody seemed keen to back Tiffany on the drift even though they were happy to back her odds on a bit before. Wasn't she value or was it just an acceptance the game was up? I don't believe all of the thousands (?) who bet on this assumed it was insiders and so didn't. If they thought it was insiders Scotty would have been 1.2 before the final.

Feb 6, 2016 -- 1:53PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:

Tiffany's sectionals were consistent and matched those of BBSpy and TIBB. I'd be surprised if they were hacked.

Ofc her numbers were hacked

Explain this

The previous CBB final poll - 3,040 Total Votes

This one - 10,693 Total Votes

i backed her when she hit 6.60
that was too good too refuse and i was still 1k+ red
did bring her level in the end, coz of the fear of sm
ideally i wanted too lay steph but the market refused too have her
missed a right trick not laying her at 4 ish

too bails

Fair enough FLL. They did an incredible job with their sectionals.

I was half thinking of backing her on the drift army given my scary red but then with the drift comes some kind of assurance as markets tend to be accurate...chicken and egg...the more they drift the easier it is to cover them but the less the need you think it needs to be covered

yes, for sure bails..but im playing with all i have, so i had no choice
i must like stress

No guts no glory army

very true angie, soooooooooo close to the JACKPOT
im gonna get one

might be able too get a wardrobe then

The one Golden Rule for me anyway is that losing is worse than winning is good. See link below which quantifies it and also explains why voters take the "safe" options in votes eg Scottish referendum and no doubt the EU one. Seems losing is twice as bad. I'd go with that. If Tiffany had won I'd have been verrrrryyyyyyy p1ssed off.

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http://www.vox.com/2016/2/5/10923304/bernie-sanders-general-election

Feb 6, 2016 -- 2:15PM, armagnac wrote:

might be able too get a wardrobe then

To keep your jeans and T Shirts in?

if tiff had won, this forum would of been verrrryyyyyyyy quiet today

yep, always thought it might be worth doing the rounds in a suit mind

Yeah you could say you were from Head Office

Deffo wear a suit...I used to go from work on the quizzies and it doesn't half change attitudes

yes, your right..main problem is the rattling of coins in trousers
in jeans you just get a quiet lumpy shake (nowhere near as noticeable)
mind you nearly all take and payout notes these days
but there is very good reasoning through long periods of playing that machines don't play anywhere like they do with coins
basically they play far worse with notes

Why? The pros hit them more?

You could always get one of those long coin holders and put it down the front of your trousers...no noise from the change and impresses the barmaids

nope our belief is, and many pro's have said this.
is the machines play worse, when you use notes to play them
eg less boards, you only get on the board once a tenner say
whereas with coins you get far more boards for your money
obviously something to do with programming

this is fact imo

George Bailey    06 Feb 16 14:44 
You could always get one of those long coin holders and put it down the front of your trousers...no noise from the change and impresses the barmaids

Of course putting the coins in it with your back to the bar creates its own risks

sounds like another way too get banned

"I was just checking my valuables Your Honour"

Stephanie Davis ‏@Stephdavis77 Feb 7
I am in need of a holiday... Any suggestions..

I thought he was going to take her on holiday. From the last titbits I got before unfollowing and forgetting I reckon they've accepted that he's not interested but they've agreed on a media relationship for a while for the money.

She was on Loose Women earlier today and she said he was flying over and they were meeting up today. Looking at her twitter feed just now I would guess they are currently going at it like rabbits.

So you're of the opinion their break up wasn't recorded by a woken hotel guest from the corridor outside their hotel room  but was done by actors, and Megan's voice added from a LF snippet?

It's an interesting theory but Megan never said those things on LF, and the "acting setup" part would seem like an extraordinarily intelligent bit of prophetic planning.

Feb 10, 2016 -- 1:09AM, Henry VIII wrote:

Stephanie Davis ‏@Stephdavis77 Feb 7I am in need of a holiday... Any suggestions..I thought he was going to take her on holiday. From the last titbits I got before unfollowing and forgetting I reckon they've accepted that he's not interested but they've agreed on a media relationship for a while for the money.

i'll take her on holiday. Vegas or Magaluf steph? got some green felt tips for my neck

My opinion is that they are likely to have a genuine but very volatile relationship that has no long term future.

this would be better than BB, instead of evictions we could be on who gets stabbed next
and still have vote to win at the end
ross kemp to present

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz-tv/hot-tv/494111/60-Days-In-fake-prisoners-real-jail