**** X-Factor - Week 2 ****

App voting imho

She couldn't sing though and was pretend posh

Teen girls voting for Jake and Jack, not the mob

Was noticeable when I watched today,Cowell's annoyance when Mel accused Fleur of cheating...I may sound naïve,but it didn't looked scripted and he looked genuinely put out.

Chloe was only there to be the Kitty or Weasel figure and she was sh1te at it.
Fleur is someone I'm sure Cowell would like to see win

She won't win by rapping

Loads of stuff off script between the judges I reckon hems. Mel B is impetuous and a loose cannon.

Chloe probably unlucky to be up against SK in the sing off.Despite how bad she was,i still feel they would have saved her against certain other acts

I don't agree bear. Cher did ok and she was extremely unlikable

Chloe achieved what she wanted out of the show. Wanted out now she's 'famous'

She'll probably get to do the reality merry go round now.

Chers best performance wasn't rapping, she was fecked till she done Shakespears sister

I fooking hope not cider

Iac starts soon

Chloe's sing off performance must go down as one of the worst if not the worst in the show's history.

Fleur's problem is that she was pretty good last night, but not rated in the top half of performances. I can't see her threatening the business end unless she can nail some MOR stuff.

Any type of act can win if they come across well and people like them

..and Cowell pushes them

Do you not think 1d were pushed fig?

I'm in the anti Fleur camp also.Just can't see her appealing to a wide enough audience.

That dark haired one out of OTY is a proper liability

they need to keep her muzzled for the duration

started a thread on a similar note

Oct 19, 2014 -- 9:51PM, bearcub wrote:

Do you not think 1d were pushed fig?

Pushed to the final, but Cardie and Bex were pushed just as much. If not more. Cowell gave up on 1D halfway through

Not how i remember it

You must have been a backer then

I wasn't

I think I'm the only forumite who has ever admitted to backing 1D

I was backing the candlestick

Cowell always praised Cardie and especially Bex. Even after bad performances. He stopped talking about 1D as winners about halfway through and started talking about getting them to the final

You back them all hems

Not in those days Cider

my only bet all series was ID....my specials education started shortly afterwards

I've never had such a big red in the final of any show as 1D

!d were never outside the top 4 so i don't know why he would give up on them

WE don't need to know how sore your nob was fig

I remember backing Danielle Hope in one of those ALW shows and thinking this games easy

There's no doubt Fleur is right up there in the pecking order. They will have to compromise, that is if she can pull off ballads. I wrote before, but imo if they can get the MOR onside she can then get away with more edgy stuff later on.

1d and Cher were the chosen ones and were relentlessly pushed throughout.  I personally knew someone who was working on the show that year.

I agree with Clyde

My first post on the specials forum was about ID being TCO's even though they lost.

He never made any attempt to stop Cardie

I'm embarrassed for you

If Fleur was white they wouldn't give a monkeys imo.  She'll get a soft ride because she's the only coloured act.

I think the show has moved on, and they are far more brutal in trying to get people beat now. Nicky's treatment was unbelievable, and Baloney. Marcus was the first one to be treated brutally to help Little Mix over the line.

I'm embarrassed for anyone who backed 1D

When he came out on a Jumbo jet with 100 dancers

Backed Jack Walton at 100.0 last night and still think he's value at 55.0 tbh

NFC unfortunately.

If Nicky had been good they wouldn't have needed to stop him.  Performances and ability often dictate things.

Hems is thinking of chicken now is my nap

Nick was very good last year, was treated brutally

Like them all CB, good within their comfort zone. SamBa could have been thrown to the lions at any point.

Nicky wasn't good enough.

He got second place being royally fecked over. Anything suitable he would have walked it.

Can't remember the treatment of anyone being as bad as it was for Nick last year. Even his mentor Louis was pleading for the public to vote for Sam in the final. Disgusting

Nicky was never going to be cool or chart. But neither was SamBa. At the time most of us were baffled why they let him into the lives.

Eggnog was done over too. Cowell was talking up Burka after one of his performances

Cowell never made any attempt in the final to deramp Cardie and push 1D

That was when they came back from a break. 'I'm still reeling from how amazing Alexandra was. But here's Eggnog anyway.

Exactly. Cowell was doing it long before Nicky. He made no effort whatsoever with 1D in the final

If they hadn't stuck Bex on a cake on the Saturday and given her a decent song, then she could have turned Cardie over

My point is the lengths they go to have changed. It was little niggles and digs in Matt's year, now they turn peoples' microphones off. They tried to deramp Matt but he was still flying the vote. Now it's result first and show second.

shockingly bad series

They need quality performers to make a fist of the show.  Nicky shone in the auditions and the show needed him but he wasn't good enough/marketable enough, nor did he provide a different storyline for them to be happy for him to win.  Immensely votable and likeable though.  They prolly wanted Tamera to win, but as it turned out she wasn't good enough either and wouldn't have won even if she was.  Sam won and got the prods backing because of her performances, and of course because she represented the only likely way of stopping Nick winning.  Luke Friend was only one or two performances away from changing the script.  Had he been more consistent he would have had a chance.

James was treated like the winner his final and the opposition also-rans. I reckon they even would get Matt beat now.

Not by 1D

Nicky topped the vote with She's The One That's when the nastiness started.

This is one of my favourite ever X Factor performances:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1gbyKj-aLI

I think they would have a better shot with 1D after learning from Little Mix. As I say, the tactics have changed and they now sacrifice a good show at the cost of achieving the desired result. 1D's appeal was probably always too narrow however.

The biggest stitch up ever was Daniel Debourg singing Build Me Up Buttercup in the second series.  They threw the kitchen sink at Leon and it didn't work.  They've been doing this for years and I don't think they are any more manipulative than they were.  Opening phone lines from the get go makes it less open to manipulation.

Leon was before my time I must confess.

And look what's happened CB, two favoured acts in the b3. Bound to be a crisis meeting.

Little Mix had no competition.  It was the weakest collection of male acts by a mile.  (3 puffs who couldn't sing and an anarchist)

I agree with Clyde. They've always been brutal when they wanted to be.
I kept waiting for the Cardie deramp, as I was never a fan, but it never came

I was the only vocal Cardle fan iirc. You and Brushy were all over Tesco Mary

If that's the case CB, why not try and show Marcus in his best light?

You were his biggest fan cider. TBF he was very good at what he did and I had to bring him onside when they showed no sign of wanting to stop him

That final was incredibly biased and only a 5% swing in it iirc.

I think I really started to back him after the Britney cover. The Travis version is an awful dirge. Cardie did a very good job with it

..and when Cowell said he'd do his best to get 1D to the final. I forget which week it was but he'd clearly thrown the towel in and was started pushing Cher more than 1D

They did try to nobble Cardle. One particular half memory is a Katy Perry song in luminous green trousers?

I honestly cant remember Marcus getting particularly harsh criticism.  I know they helped LM over the line.  It's kind of standard that everyone gets praised in the final with the chosen one getting the "deserved winner" hidden message

That's what I think has changed personally, no hidden messages in the last three finals, it's been in great big neon lights. They may have got the one they wanted in any case.

Cardle did get the worst treatment of the 3 finalists in that year's final, although it was a much more even affair than many, prolly because they thought they couldn't get him beat.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IluCdUHZUIE Here it is

God bless all of your memories, that`s all I can say! I don`t remember who sang what last week, even. Really.

Nobody can tell me the production team thought 'I know the best way to showcase Matt's talents, let's give him Firework wearing motorway maintenance trousers'

tim. Too much of that acid house music when you were younger

They were all pretty dire in the final. He could hardly sing by then. Cher was by far the best and 1st out
Bex and Sweet Dreams the only other decent performance in the final

I`m still at it, fll!!! Oldest Swinger in Town, moving very erratically in the darker corners of clubs.

I imagine you like Tim on Strictly

I assure you, I`m worse than him, even. Don`t care, don`t mind being that freak in the corner, in a happy little world of my own, the one that all the youngsters give a wide berth to.  You still shake your stuff?

On occasions, but rarely these days. Like you I've always enjoyed dancing, very badly

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1gbyKj-aLI

Great reminder cnman. Nicky absolutely nails this, awesome rendition, cuts to judges who have been instructed not to even applaud the performance

That is pretty shocking treatment cider

I think Nickys treatment last year is why the viewing figures are a complete disaster. He was almost the worst treated act in the shows history, narrowly beaten by Eggnog.

Watching Little Nicky there has shown me how poor this year is

And Kerrianne Covell was the peoples favourite going into the Judges houses. There was very bad taste all over the X-Factor statuses when she didn't make it. I think many of her fans switched off right there.

But you can't be less than average build if you are a young contestant on this show. Remember that Scottish beast with the belter of a voice who got to the judges house (twice I think). Only to be let down, certainly due to her size and facial piercings.

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