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five leaves left
18 May 13 16:16
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Running order

    France
    Lithuania
    Moldova
    Finland
    Spain
    Belgium
    Estonia
    Belarus
    Malta
    Russia
    Germany
    Armenia
    (break)
    The Netherlands
    Romania
    United Kingdom
    Sweden
    Hungary
    Denmark
    Iceland
    Azerbaijan
    Greece
    Ukraine
    Italy
    Norway
    Georgia
    Ireland


Voting Order

1) San Marino
2) Sweden
3) Albania
4) Netherlands
5) Austria
6) United Kingdom
7) Israel
8) Serbia
9) Ukraine
10) Hungary
11) Romania
12) Moldova
13) Azerbaijan
14) Norway
15) Armenia
16) Italy
17) Finland
18) Spain
19) Belarus
20) Latvia
21) Bulgaria
22) Belgium
23) Russia
24) Malta
25) Estonia
26) Germany
27) Iceland
28) France
29) Greece
30) Ireland
31) Denmark
32) Montenegro
33) Slovenia
34) Georgia
35) F.Y.R. Macedonia
36) Cyprus
37) Croatia
38) Switzerland
39) Lithuania
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Report Corbyguy May 18, 2013 11:26 PM BST
until next year
Report sideshowbob May 18, 2013 11:26 PM BST
bloody georgia ruined it. all my other bets won easily. made a loss overall though!
Report Froggitt May 18, 2013 11:26 PM BST
overall washout for me
Report five leaves left May 18, 2013 11:26 PM BST
Hungry my only top 10 winner too srich. Would have preferred Belgium
Report GoldCupWinner May 18, 2013 11:26 PM BST
Italy had me sweating for ages but done it comfortably in the end.
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? May 18, 2013 11:27 PM BST
strange voting tonight though - the juries seem to have had more of an impact than previously.
Report GoldCupWinner May 18, 2013 11:27 PM BST
It's getting boring favourites winning all the time though.
Report Corbyguy May 18, 2013 11:27 PM BST
with the new voting 1-26 ranking must have made a difference
Report mach May 18, 2013 11:27 PM BST
the drift on Denmark to near three was crazy
Report Cider May 18, 2013 11:27 PM BST
Made the right bets Fig. I'll be very interested to see how Marco did on the pv/jury split.
Report Srichaphan or Ancic? May 18, 2013 11:27 PM BST
they really need to do something to stop Azerbaijan and Ukraine from dominating every year though.
Report Pattern May 18, 2013 11:28 PM BST
Hungary!!!
Report amelia1253 May 18, 2013 11:29 PM BST
knackerd after watching that man a fair bit top ten market speacialy netherlands and italy
Report bearcub May 18, 2013 11:29 PM BST
did you not back Malta top 10 fll ?
Report five leaves left May 18, 2013 11:30 PM BST
Nope. Didn't like the price. Preferred Belgium in double figures and got some 22
Report nugg May 18, 2013 11:31 PM BST
whos up for going next year....will start a thread on forum
Report five leaves left May 18, 2013 11:31 PM BST
jt 11th I think. Hungry overtake them on 2nd last vote
Report popking May 18, 2013 11:31 PM BST
It was not a good night for me overall.  I traded a bit in-running, but still a bad night.
Report Corbyguy May 18, 2013 11:32 PM BST
was ireland last?
Report five leaves left May 18, 2013 11:32 PM BST
UL pk. Lots of burnt fingers I think.

Roll on the voice and bgt
Report Corbyguy May 18, 2013 11:33 PM BST
susan boyle would have been better lol
Report five leaves left May 18, 2013 11:33 PM BST
yes, corby, couldn't even get spain last. 2nd last
Report loadedgimp May 18, 2013 11:33 PM BST
hmm £12.71 what a waste of time watching that.  Would have been triple if Ukraine came 2nd but nevermind
Report sideshowbob May 18, 2013 11:33 PM BST
no idea how i lost money.

i fancied denmark to win, ukraine was my 2nd fav. but didnt back either cept denmark top 3 at 1.25
fancied malta top 10 but didnt do it cos they always bomb when i back them.
large bet on russia top 10, but ruined by a large bet on georgia who got sod all.
bet on italy and spain in the big five but only for a small bet. pillock.

good job im 5k up in the last month or id be pretty pissed right now.

where the feck where georgias points?? Confused
and, i didnt back it, but why the hell did ireland not do better?
Report Corbyguy May 18, 2013 11:34 PM BST
is it first time ever that ireland has been last in the contest?
Report CowaBanga May 18, 2013 11:35 PM BST
semi winners announced yet?

i guess azerbaijan won the 2nd semi?
Report Corbyguy May 18, 2013 11:35 PM BST
they will be out soon
Report CrowsEye May 18, 2013 11:35 PM BST
Top 10 posted earlier...

1. Norway Cool
2. Azerbaijan Cool
3. Denmark Cool
4. Ukraine Cool
5. Belgium
6. Italy Cool
7. NetherlandsCool
8. GreeceCool
9. Iceland
10. Moldova

Not bad?
Report timbuctooth May 18, 2013 11:35 PM BST
So much for laying the 1.7 as the value play!

Anyway, BGT on ITV2 now, for those of us who missed it earlier.
Report five leaves left May 18, 2013 11:35 PM BST
I guess Ireland wasn't placed in the semi Wink
Report NorwichRob May 18, 2013 11:36 PM BST
Best song won, good entertainment, wd winners...not me Laugh
Report honestcl May 18, 2013 11:37 PM BST
Three months of my life to roughly break even on here!  Good job I actually like this music (I know, don't say it!!)

Haven't done the totalling up yet but I think it's going to be within a few pence breaking even Ha ha.  Thank the Lord I had a dabble on Sp Index for the first on ESC.  Hit 4/4 on there including a Romania/Armenia matchbet I'd forgotten about until I just checked there a minute ago!  Nice one Cezar the geezer!
Report MK_ May 18, 2013 11:37 PM BST
on ORF they said denmark won 1st semi
Report Cider May 18, 2013 11:37 PM BST
I thought Ireland was very gay personally. Didn't expect it for lanterne rouge though
Report Corbyguy May 18, 2013 11:38 PM BST
when does betfair open the market for next years eurovision?
Report five leaves left May 18, 2013 11:39 PM BST
around christmas
Report SamH_123 May 18, 2013 11:39 PM BST
christmas time normally I believe
Report Corbyguy May 18, 2013 11:39 PM BST
january when all countries are announced?
Report honestcl May 18, 2013 11:39 PM BST
CowaBanga
semi winners announced yet?

i guess azerbaijan won the 2nd semi?

________

ah yes, I foprgot about that little potnetial up my sleeve.  Had nie bonuses with Turkey and Greece in recent years to top up my tally.  Fingers crossed I've got a few quid to come from that
Report Corbyguy May 18, 2013 11:41 PM BST
i wonder who won the jury vote? denmark will have won the pv me thinks
Report five leaves left May 18, 2013 11:41 PM BST
I suspect they won both
Report sideshowbob May 18, 2013 11:42 PM BST
i think i got goosed on the clips. the georgia one i dont think they played the waterfall bit, just a random bit in the middle. i remember thinking hmm thats a crap clip to show
Report CowaBanga May 18, 2013 11:42 PM BST
norway was bombed badly for semi 2
Report honestcl May 18, 2013 11:42 PM BST
I guess the fact Bonnie wasn't a complete disaster was down to her being a name and popular in quite a few countries.  Imagine what she could have done had she actually still been able to sing.!!
Report CowaBanga May 18, 2013 11:44 PM BST
honest what price did u get on azerbaijan semi 2?
Report honestcl May 18, 2013 11:46 PM BST
Giant for Ukraine - Original? CHECK
Man in box for Azer - Original? CHECK
Sandwoman for Ukraine 2011 - Original? CHECK

Maybe it's about tiem we threw in a gimmick or two
Report honestcl May 18, 2013 11:46 PM BST
I took 6 on Azer in the semi, Cow
Report CowaBanga May 18, 2013 11:49 PM BST
norway had no gimmicks and finished top 4, good display, that was the best song in my opinion music wise. maybe would of won in another year

i cashed top 4 at 2.00
Report Corbyguy May 18, 2013 11:54 PM BST
grandfinal results here: http://www.eurovision.tv/page/history/by-year/contest?event=1773
semi 1 results here: http://www.eurovision.tv/page/history/by-year/contest?event=1783
semi 2 results here: http://www.eurovision.tv/page/history/by-year/contest?event=1793
Report five leaves left May 18, 2013 11:55 PM BST
Semifinal 1

167 Denmark
156 Russia
140 Ukraine
095 Moldova
075 Belgium
075 Netherlands
064 Belarus
054 Ireland
053 Lithuania
052 Estonia

046 Serbia
041 Montenegro
038 Croatia
027 Austria
011 Cyprus
008 Slovenia
Report Sekt10ned May 18, 2013 11:56 PM BST
amazing that Ireland got through into the final given it's eventual result
Report Corbyguy May 18, 2013 11:57 PM BST
surprised at moldova though
Report five leaves left May 18, 2013 11:58 PM BST
reverse the draws for Russia and Ukraine in the final and Russia 3rd, Ukraine 5th I reckon
Report bexley May 18, 2013 11:58 PM BST
Georgia 10th in semi 2
Report CowaBanga May 18, 2013 11:58 PM BST
semi 2?
link dont work
Report Corbyguy May 18, 2013 11:59 PM BST
norway came 3rd in the semi
Report bexley May 18, 2013 11:59 PM BST
these old fashioned ballads have no chance
Report Corbyguy May 19, 2013 12:00 AM BST
san marino came 11th. 16 points behind georgia in 10th
Report popking May 19, 2013 12:00 AM BST
Malta 3 points off 2nd place and 2 points behing Norway in semi 2.  Unreal.
Report Corbyguy May 19, 2013 12:01 AM BST
well you now got more stats to work on for next year
Report Corbyguy May 19, 2013 12:02 AM BST
can't wait to see the actual jury/pv split votes, guess that will be in 4 weeks time
Report five leaves left May 19, 2013 12:02 AM BST
Semifinal 2

139 Azerbaijan
121 Greece
120 Norway
118 Malta
Report Corbyguy May 19, 2013 12:03 AM BST
so denmark got more points than azerbaijan with 1 less country in the semi
Report five leaves left May 19, 2013 12:05 AM BST
Anyone have the full result of the 2nd semi?
I still can't find it
Report Corbyguy May 19, 2013 12:06 AM BST
yes fll its here: http://www.eurovision.tv/page/history/by-year/contest?event=1793
Report five leaves left May 19, 2013 12:06 AM BST
Got it now.
Latvia last Cry

Semifinal 2

139 Azerbaijan
121 Greece
120 Norway
118 Malta
083 Romania
072 Iceland
069 Armenia
066 Hungary
064 Finland
063 Georgia

047 San Marino
045 Bulgaria
041 Switzerland
040 Israel
031 Albania
028 Macedonia
013 Latvia
Report Corbyguy May 19, 2013 12:06 AM BST
no nil points this year
Report five leaves left May 19, 2013 12:22 AM BST
FINAL SCORING
281 points for Denmark
234 points for Azerbaijan
214 points for Ukraine
191 points for Norway
174 points for Russia
152 points for Greece
126 points for Italy
120 points for Malta
114 points for The Netherlands
084 points for Hungary
071 points for Moldova
071 points for Belgium
065 points for Romania
062 points for Sweden
050 points for Georgia
048 points for Belrus
047 points for Iceland
041 points for Armenia
023 points for United Kingdom
019 points for Estonia
018 points for Germany
017 points for Lithuania
014 points for France
013 points for Finland
008 points for Spain
005 points for Ireland
Report MatchedBets May 19, 2013 12:38 AM BST
What were the odds on Ireland finishing last? I didn't expect that at all,  I thought they'd finish above the UK
Report sideshowbob May 19, 2013 12:51 AM BST
obviously keep the results well guarded, otherwise georgia wouldnt have been 1.5 for a top 10 if they only finished 10th in their semi. anybody with that info would have layed the crap out of it.
Report George Bailey May 19, 2013 1:02 AM BST
Press centre vote as bad as ever; only got 5 out of the top 10
Report five leaves left May 19, 2013 1:03 AM BST
How did you do GB?
Report George Bailey May 19, 2013 1:06 AM BST
Counting everything about 180 down.  Tried to trade some of my 2500 green zlata at 5s to level out but missed it.  Can't complain and had a decent run for a while tonight.  Have to say your 3 big reds had me worried for you.
Report George Bailey May 19, 2013 1:10 AM BST
100 of that was a top 4 lay of norway.  How Italy drifted in the top 10 market I will never know and that 2.38 Dicky got to be top of big 5 was the bet of the night.
Report five leaves left May 19, 2013 1:14 AM BST
I wasn't worried yesterday but the market going so against me today, meant I was pretty resigned to my fate.

This is part of the reason why I was in such a bad position.

Eurovision Song Contest 2013/Eurovision Song Contest 2013 Outright  Denmark   20/1  Won  C  £2.50  £52.50 

A couple of years ago, or even a year ago I'd have been able to get a couple of hundred at that price and would have been sitting pretty.

I think I managed £400 on Loreen just after she won her national final @ 9/2

£2.50 is quite a difference Grin
Report five leaves left May 19, 2013 1:19 AM BST
Maybe time to concentrate more on Golf and the Horses.
Nicely in profit on both.
Losing on Specials this year Shocked
Report George Bailey May 19, 2013 1:30 AM BST
Yes I have lost on 2 on the trot...back to basics.
Report DickyM May 19, 2013 1:53 AM BST
Traded a ridiculous amount on outright and somehow managed to scrape about 70 quid overall.
Learnt a few lessons I guess.. Old ballads seemingly are out, ESC's not yet ready for a bit of moodiness or class without pyros or gimmicks.
Brains all mushed but was fun though.. I think Crazy
Report George Bailey May 19, 2013 1:58 AM BST
Only one I could see coming back for the victory song was Denmark but I went into denial rather than back her at 2.5.  For all the usual block voting which was as bad as ever tonight you can't really argue with the top 10 we got.

Usual lesson learned of losing is worse than winning is good and take a profit when you can.
Report hemsby May 19, 2013 5:49 AM BST
I ended up -£422.My only winning bet was a few quid on Netherlands Top 10.Got virtually everything else embarrassingly wrong.....Ireland Top 10 being the worst of an awful selection of bets.Closest I got was an E/W play on Russia (5th) so galling to come home and see it finished above Ukraine in the Semi-Final.
Oh well,you can't win them all....I'll console myself by trying to think of a title for an Ash Morgan train.
Report Cider May 19, 2013 7:48 AM BST
I know this is a repeat subject Grin but there are nothing wrong with reverses or losing on an event. The main thing is that they were the right bets at the time. I think it would be much worse to have lumped on Denmark just to get out of a hole, not because it was thought to be a near certainty and still value. Sometimes I suspect we get used to the 'right' bet also winning. The last few years we've has something trading very short very early on, so if you missed most of the early value on Denmark, it's a tricky place. Then we may be looking for reasons to oppose it. Think of all the profits made opposing France that year. The market is much more efficient than it used to be I guess, being very much a part-timer these days I'm only picking up the scraps Sad

Personally I do struggle to get to grips with the jury element of eurovision. I'm expecting Marco to have done well on the pv, so we'll see.
Report bearcub May 19, 2013 9:24 AM BST
Chin up everybody Happy Nuggs organising a trip Laugh
Report bearcub May 19, 2013 9:34 AM BST
15min.lt have this morning come out with an extraordinary story that points towards Azerbaijan paying people to vote for them in the Eurovision final. They have this morning reported the story of students in Vilnius who were approached by two Russian men, and were payed to vote for Azerbaijan in last night’s Eurovision final. Each of the students were payed 20 Euros for each time that they voted for the specific artist.

The paper then sent a number of undercover reporters with cameras and voice recording equipment to a cafe where they would be given sim cards to vote with. At the meeting the men boasted how this was done in almost all the countries taking part in the contest and how that they did it across countries as not to cause suspicion.

Each group that is payed had five phones each and then must vote as many times as possible in the 15 minute window. After the 15 minutes a group manager then checks the number of votes sent for the country. The men went on to say that the same thing happens during the semi finals. The most interesting part is where he admitted that Azerbaijan use this technique in 15 countries, and that Russia are also involved in buying votes.

Interesting Lithuania gave Azerbaijan 12 points last night and 7 points to Russia meaning for the first time in years Georgia scored only 8 from Lithuania.
Report bearcub May 19, 2013 9:41 AM BST
UK TV Ratings ‏@TVRatingsUK 5m

The #Eurovision Song Contest 2013 was watched by 7.70m/35.3% on @BBCOne, peaking at 10.55pm with 9.28m/48.4%. Cool
Report Cider May 19, 2013 9:48 AM BST
N1 bear. That's a pretty good peak for 11pm
Report bearcub May 19, 2013 9:55 AM BST
Cheers Cider.
Report stu May 19, 2013 11:08 AM BST
Small profit overall, but missed several main bets - Norway win, Spain to be last, Romania and Estonia top 10 all cost me. Sad

Winners: Italy top 10, Azer top 4, Israel not to qualify, Netherlands top 10.

Bit of a Plain kind of year for ESC really.

Predictable short priced winner.
Report stu May 19, 2013 1:13 PM BST
given recent form, should we all just lump on the jolly next year? Mischief
Report five leaves left May 19, 2013 1:26 PM BST
With the jury/pv system, then I don't think there will ever be any certainties, stu. Except that Azer will be top 4 if the cheats are allowed to get away with paying for votes every year. Wink

I agree Cider. Backing at value prices is the key. The problem these days is getting on...and I can't see that changing.
I also got screwed by the draw with the my Ukraine/Russian bets. I am sure their positions on the leaderboard would have been reversed with their positions in the running order were reversed. Belgium, my main top 10 vote, another one that would have come in with a late draw.

Maybe becoming more of a trader is the way forward and backing acts/countries who I think will shorten, even if I don't see them as value at the time.
Report five leaves left May 19, 2013 1:27 PM BST
if*, not with
Report nugg May 19, 2013 1:28 PM BST
Russia would have been top 4 for sure with a better draw FLL
Report five leaves left May 19, 2013 2:08 PM BST
You'd have thought so.
The 2nd half had far more male singers, which I am sure helped the female ones. Ukraine in particular.

Also my favourite 3 songs in the 1st half were all male and similar in a way. Malta the last one to perform did the best. I'm not sure Lithuania would have been top 10 from any position, but I am sure Belgium would have been if it had been on later and after Malta.

Talking of my man Andrius. I love his response afterwards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=r2fNOOPw8WY

'20? What's the fv cking number 20?' Laugh
Report Cider May 19, 2013 3:51 PM BST
3 of the 'hot' girls were all late on. More Ukraine and Denmark but Norway also.

Ireland wasn't terrible, altho I noted it was a bit 'gay'. But it was dramatic all action and quite memorable anyway.  For a country that's Euro friendly last place does suggest the draw has less impact than might be suspected.

The lesson I will take from this, in eurovision, being overtly sexy is not a barrier. I'd have thought most female (voters) would have wanted to scratch Zlata's eyes out.
Report stu May 19, 2013 3:53 PM BST
...and most men to bang her eyes out...Silly
Report Cider May 19, 2013 3:56 PM BST
Well, exactly Grin
Report Cider May 19, 2013 3:58 PM BST
Three of the first four featured attractive women....
Report Sekt10ned May 19, 2013 5:47 PM BST
I think that this was a very tricky year in retrospect. The fact that the songs were not the best this time around made it very tempting to go against Denmark when even getting on it on Tuesday night and laying off before the final would have netted a 0.5 return. Perhaps the technique now is really just to ride the drift in of a short priced favourite.

Another major complicating factor was the Balkan wipeout. If the Balkans had been competing the lead would not have been as great but it surely would have won. If Azerbaijan are truly fixing things then they should be banned for a year. It's pathetic. I do know quite a few Eastern Europeans though and they liked the song so there was genuine support for it from my experience. I find Ukraine's strength more hard to fathom (and Ukraine have bombed before), their song was a mess and the giant walking on was so clumsy. Running order and voice quality are clearly a factor but also perhaps a poverty of choice.

And can we lay the phrase 'pimp slot' to bed? That is all about x-factor and nothing to do with Eurovision. There are 26 songs for God's sake, I think people are often flagging by the end. The period from around 16-22 is probably the bit that has the most attention paid to it at least at parties that I have been too.

Anyway I didn't have a good year but I enjoyed and appreciated all the forum comments (including when I was lurking during Jan to Apr). Cheers.
Report honestcl May 19, 2013 10:12 PM BST
So true about pimp slot.  I know when Germany had the pick of all the slots in 2010, they opted for aroun 19 or 20 (can't quite remember.  In typical German efficient fashion they picked a trap that got them the win.  Last slot doesn't equal victory by any means in ESC
Report honestcl May 19, 2013 10:16 PM BST
Cider
Three of the first four featured attractive women....
_________

Four of the first four if you include the totty who joined the Azer guy on stage midway through
Report five leaves left May 28, 2013 2:43 PM BST
I can't stand him but he can't do a worse job than the BBC over the last few years

http://oikotimes.com/2013/05/28/simon-cowell-would-like-to-help-the-uk/
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