X factor voting figures

lol bear. Indeed their was an ipad resting on it

Jahmene and it was a notepad

Chris and it was a fannypad

Gb2 is taking his missus on a cruise you tightwad

probably means dogging though

He's a fcking idiot

Thing is with Bails, he don't have long left to spend his money innit

...Mrs GB only voted for James because she thinks he could give her what she isn't getting at home

Prolly. I've never seen her dial so fast

Actually I was thinking of VD

...GBP loves the skanky thing now it seems

They disinfected him and deloused him for the quarters

Robert Mitchum was a psycho in The Night of the Hunter and had "Love" and "Hate" tattooed on his fists too.  He killed women but seems that didn't stop them fancying him.  One post I read summed it up it read "I am in my 40s and I fancy james and so do my two teenage daughters"...was staring me in the face all along.

Yep. The forum was laughing so much when I told them women fancied James they didn't even bother replying

Won easier than Cardie, so there

Just goes to show how fcking awful it was this series if James was the moist factor! God help us...

See, you still don't understand it

Good job I am here to guide you in the ways of women

Most women didn't 'get' it either until they were told to via Marvin Gaye!

It started before then

Maybe they were too busy doing things with their fingers to put them to use phoning to vote for him to keep him out of the B2?

"The forum was laughing so much when I told them women fancied James they didn't even bother replying"

When did you say that George? I don't remember.

Probabaly best if you didn't remember much about this series Henry

What shouldn't I remember? Calling James poison to the audience? Oh hang on, that was you George

I said James would win because he was fancied by women on Sofabet last week, that's why I asked, but I'm sure you said it before me.

I have absolutely nothing I want to forget

Henry VIII 19 Nov 12 10:20 Joined: 31 Jul 06 | Topic/replies: 8,514 | Blogger: Henry VIII's blog
I don't think James is Ella's flag bearer. And MOR always wins, not tormented soul.

Two can play this game Henry

Ask someone who was the best odds-on shot, Ella or Wiggins

Ask him again after the star leaks

Has any other specials caused so much handbags on this forum as this one? The truth is I think almost everyone changed their opinions on the acts at some point...at least those who won did. Trawling each others posts to find "evidence" is petty and pointless.  I'm no angel myself but lets end all this sh1t please.....when does CBB start?

I don't think Henry's poison quote was me btw

Though I'm prepared to to proved wrong

There's no doubt I went off his chances mid series

to be proved wrong*

Don't stop me Bails I'm on a roll now


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He's hardly 'eye candy' though is he.  Overweight, full of tattoo's, ambles on stage, dodgy teeth.
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Women respond to other things too. All the things Kye doesn't have

Tattoos?

Barlow thought Kye would win . Clueless bastad

Should be enough grounds to sack him, just on that

A lot of women seem to find Barlow sexy..no accounting for taste. 

Question: What do women want? Answers on a postcard please.

James Arthur

"Henry VIII 19 Nov 12 10:20 Joined: 31 Jul 06 | Topic/replies: 8,514 | Blogger: Henry VIII's blog
I don't think James is Ella's flag bearer. And MOR always wins, not tormented soul.

Two can play this game Henry"

Haha very good. But he lost most of his torment and became MOR.

I’m sure I said more stupid things than that. I see gambling like any other business, years of mistakes and muddling about before becoming a master.

Good point Henry,

gotta admit I class GB as a masterbettor

Yes, but he didn't get that 8K on James at 2.5 or lay that 5K on Chris at 5.8 cos I grabbed em (as we're all on a roll).

Didn't need to

I see gambling like any other business, years of mistakes and muddling about before becoming a master.

Or in the case of this year's X Factor, weeks of mistakes and fcking about before eventually getting a profitable book!

I don't think any of us were covered in glory this time round to be honest.  At some point we either a) thought Ella was already home and hosed, or b) thought that James was too marmite to win.

Opinions can change, as can books - which is why it pays to be open minded if you're going to use this forum wisely!

Did a pretty weak/average year on the outright until backing James VERY late on. But I killed the elim markets this year. Often been other way round for me in past.

James was too marmite to win. He had to be 'compromised'. Presumably they wanted him to win being himself, but that didn't work.

Not sure. I think they were happy for him to be the artist he wanted to be for a while to establish his 'credible' tag

Let him go b2 if necessary, then turn him voter friendly

Can I claim to fame in having both backed James B2 (only week he was) and to win?

Perhaps, prices and value adapt with information, and although I took very short prices about James I had a lot of information. He was too marmite to win and that is why he was in the bottom 2. That wasn't an invalid opinion and backing him before he was b2 was reasonably brave if you thought he was going to be b2. If he wasn't b2 would he have undergone the overhaul he did? This is a very interesting post mortem because it wasn't straight forward series, and lessons can always be learnt.

Biggest lesson for me is how quickly voters opinion can be turned. I could see the edge was being taken off James but I never thought one song could have so much of an impact (of course it co-incided with his bounce). But as we know he retained the momentum. I wonder if that would have been the case if the competition had been stronger.

Dec 14, 2012 -- 5:26PM, stu wrote:

Can I claim to fame in having both backed James B2 (only week he was) and to win?

You and all the forum stu

I thought everyone was on him tbf. And Ella. Although hardly anyone had the combo curiously

Yes. I was on both. Plus laid Rylan and backed Ella.

only just transferring the votes onto my show sheets now.  I see we were right the week we said they called the result INPO in reverse order.

UJ
Rylan
Jahmene
Chris

and in the correct order the following week

James
Chris
Jahmene

I know there aren't many options towards the end, but 6 of the 9 weeks they called Chris and Jahmene out next to each other, always next to each other in the vote to.

Darn, thought I'd been extra clever there.

I also backed him the week before when he was 0.5% off b2 and 1.1% below Ella.

That was the week the Ella story appeared in the star. James being even closer to b2 obviously wasn't worth a mention

lol, no

That was their main b2 bet

My B2 bet that week.

James Arthur * 15.16 62.00 Back 

They pimped James the next week and Ella was dreadful with Written in the stars , yet was only 1% behind James.

And under 2% behind the magnificent Jahmene, with yet another sob story, no doubt

..but she could never win.

no, she was bloody awful

belting out the sort of classics Chris and Jahmene mostly had with styling which was brighter, prettier, younger and fun . . .

It does seem "interesting" that "they" actually made Ella and James very similar - dark and brooding in their styling and mostly changing their songs up.  Ultimately both worked out much better for James.  Ella made nearly all her changed-up songs sound exactly the same.

Look at it another way then, at what point in the lives was Ella a value price.

well obv at the end of the series and with all the figures out there, you can say never - but then you can say anyone who took, for example, 15/8 and laid 4/5 has done well.

Looking at the voting she was never value.

She was value before the lives given her voice, MOR songs and tears during her audition, plus the rest of the field being shyte.

For someone who was given no help with songs, vt's, makeover, or slots, she did well to get as far as she did.

Considering Jahmene had help with all of the above he never polled particularly well and was spanked in the final.

The big mistake I made was not realising she wasn't being helped earlier.

Part of judging value must be determining what you think the true figures are. That's why value changes when there is a voting leak. The true figures show that the market over-estimated Ella's chances. From week 1. She might have won, but a runner can win without ever being value. As I perceive Kara's SCD win.

If she'd been given the help Jahmene and then James receieved then she would have been value @ evens or slightly odds on.

I agree she didn't get a great amount of help through the lives. Week 1 was fine tho on that front. To maintain her momentum from auditions to the final, for a 16 year old girl with no real back story, was always going to be a huge challenge.

same, I clinged on to the thought that they wanted to make a competition out of it, I kept waiting for the great song choices for ella that never happened.
looking for the chosen one can be hard to nail, but looking for the not chosen runners is a lot easier, I should have twigged on to the decline of  Ella's chances much earlier
in the final knowing James was the prefered winner I should have been a lot more confidant in the prods ability to get him over the line, thinking that james could start rapping in the last few weeks of xfactor was a bit delusional on my part

She sang a song about her dead grandather at the audition and yet it was never mentioned again.
She was also big boned. I'm sure they could have come up with a bullying story.

She was the obvious winner with help.

Ella will forever be in specials folklore for dividing opinion

To be fair there are strong arguments on both sides of the coin. Those who thought they saw a star in the auditions I think will always be positive about her.
I was amazed to see so many of the specials luminaries had got on AP, as I didn't view her audition in the same way.

The 2 that stood out for me pre lives were Ella and James. Unfortunately I thought James couldn't win, so never took the 20/1

Ella 4-1 to have a #1 single in 2013 fwiw. James 2-1

james fastest selling single in 2012 so 2/1 worth a punt I'd have thought....where is that at?

2/1 not a bad bet.

A poor winner in XF terms, but a decent winner when it comes to producing music that has a chance of selling

which bookie?

Ellava price too

Dec 14, 2012 -- 7:29PM, five leaves left wrote:

The 2 that stood out for me pre lives were Ella and James. Unfortunately I thought James couldn't win, so never took the 20/1

I remember that very conversation

before judgs houses had been shown but the spoiler was fairly clear that James had made it, James was available @25 not 20

I also decided not to take it

Took the 7/1 on Ella though

I missed the 20s

They cut it in half

Dec 14, 2012 -- 8:20PM, mach wrote:

before judgs houses had been shown but the spoiler was fairly clear that James had made it, James was available @25 not 20I also decided not to take it

had a tenner on

...on the HS as I worked out and posted on here that it was obvious that he had made the lives...his answers to tweets...taking his FB down I think etc etc.  Unfortunately went off him when the action started.

.http://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/TV%2c-Film-and-Radio/X-FactorTV%2c-Film-and-Radio/X-Factor-t210002858#

Strange rule on there which I'd want to clarify if placing a bet '2013 X Factor must start'

Thanks. james no 1 not linked to that condition though?

It's on the market but looks an error

what if this number 1 stays no 1 for a few weeks into 2013?

I think there's some charity single due to be released soon

Had 25 quid on. Seems a reasonable bet as he has built up a pretty substantial fan base it seems and you only need to sell 64 singles to get a No 1 these days.

OT but there are some widely differing odds on which judges will be on the next series:

http://www.oddschecker.com/tv/x-factor/x-factor/to-judge-on-next-series

Anyone else missing their fix this week...no weekly profit to look forward to this week.

nah I was shyte on the weeklies

...thanks feck for Carolynne and week 1

I'll be kinda relieved when it's all over

I think I took 4 months off at the start of the year after Cbb

Only cos there is nowt to bet on shirley? where is squares with his calendar or is it on here somewhere?

Mainly cos of my mate dying suddenly

didn't know assumed it was ennui

Sad to hear that GB

Sunderland Echo journo Ian Laws stu

Dropped down dead on a running machine he'd got for xmas aged 41, in front of 2 of his 3 young kids

RIP

front page of the mirror james dates flack, PP special james's next girlfriend flack 6/1

http://twitpic.com/bma5tz

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/novelty-betting/tv-specials/x-factor-betting?ev_oc_grp_ids=1016917

Very interesting post mortem on this year's XF.

I'm still with Figgy on Ella.  If you look at the voting figures and take all of the other factors into account (in particular song choices, makeover, VTs etc.) they really could have made more effort with her if they wanted.  But on reflection I now doubt that she was ever the chosen one.  Looks like James had that tag all along - he wasn't even Mark II or Plan B.  After all Ella was beating James three out of the first four weeks.

I should have taken more note of my friend in the music industry who said "We already have an Adele, we don't need another, but we don't have a James".  I just doubted their ability to get the 'credible' act over the line.  Thankfully I had a tenner on at the 25s with Stan pre-Judge's House, backed up with 9s and 10s during early lives so had plenty to play with when it came to the business end.

But plenty of valuable lessons learned this year.  One of the more interesting X Factors from a betting point of view!