**** Big Brother - Tuesday's Face to Face thread ****

Is Lauren v Luke A a foregone conclusion? Haven't been up to speed today,but I thought it had to be close.

Nothing about Adam on BOTS so far

100 quid they get paid to be on here he said...answers someone's earlier question

Silence from BOTS audience when guest says lauren to go

£100 was a joke surely

nah don't think so...expenses only for zers

Why would anyone bother?

its the telly innit

Why would someone craving public adoration go on tv for fook all?

why wouldn't they?

he has lauren right

Yes, agreed the moving beds was not good. Bit of a public show of disapproval yet he has not once done or said anything so public to anyone else from the other group.

Adam's problems started with that flirty 'tiger' thing he did with Deana on Saturday's show. Perhaps tonight's over-reaction to Deana's comments comes from his unresolved feelings towards her.

I know some thought Luke had a good show. I didn't. I feel he would have been better to man-up and behave counter-intuitively i.e not mope and be strong. This doesn't mean he will be evicted on Friday. I have no idea if he or Lauren will be saved.

However, although vote transference is over-rated in BB, I suspect if Lauren stays then she will garner the majority of votes from Luke's supporters.

Friday should be fun.

'i'm sorry I haven't made an effort before, but I haven't been up for eviction before'

Oh dear Luke A tragic stuff

Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:43PM, paddletoe wrote:

Yes, agreed the moving beds was not good. Bit of a public show of disapproval yet he has not once done or said anything so public to anyone else from the other group.

did they show it  paddle? coz i missed it.

Car crash stuff from Luke A there.

Why is it illegal to give him stick on bots?

Yes it was shown Henry

thanks cider. i'll have to watch it again. maybe it was worse than i thought.

Blink and you missed it

They did H

just a short 10/15 second clip.

Who do you want to win Big Brother 2012?     
         
  Ashleigh (20 yr old Essex blond) 1%     
  Sara (22 yr old Scot brunette) 7% ██████   
  Scott (21 yr old gay peroxide blond) 2% █   
  Luke A (Born Female) 26% █████████████████████████   
  Adam (Former LA gang member) 17% █████████████████   
  Caroline (20 year old posh blond) 1%     
  Lauren (20 yr old Jersey blond) 20% ████████████████████   
  Conor (24 yr old from Derry) 6% ██████   
  Rebecca (Wildcard) 2% █   
  Deana (23 yr old Miss India UK) 18% ██████████████████   
  Luke S (24 yr old from Stoke) 1%     
    100%

however casuals watch an average of 2.5 shows / week so will mostly have missed it.

conor the value

lauren p1ssing it on bbspy...and that's my own stats. I voted on the h2h poll and now I can't get to see the actual scores. Just says I have already voted.

Votes for eviction will be low..Hardcore insiders don't care who goes. Hardcore outsiders want neither to go and are abstaining.
Who goes will depend on the next few nights edits and casual vote decides.

At least 20% of tv polls going to be disappointed it seems

That was tvpolls before tonights show. Luke A's best performance and Deana's I think

that convo is why sara's price should be lower than lauren's

I thought the conclusion was Luke A's polling was some kind of mirage...

not sure Luke's tactic of kissing up to everyone will be good for him, think he genuinly just wants to be liked though but you can't please all of the people all of the time. Think its much better to have Lauren's approach.

Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:52PM, Henry VIII wrote:

that convo is why sara's price should be lower than lauren's

Serious H?

I agree Henry

yes hemsby. and i think it will be. dunno when exactly.

Friday maybe Henry ;)

If Lauren wins on Friday no chance

I did catch the nominations tonight. I think big brother will have to at some stage show footage of how nasty some housemates especially caroline have been in previous nominations. That would really set the cat among the pigeons for a lot of the housemates.
I know people talk about Conor helping Deana win but other than the epilator outburst there is no big secrets that would surprise anyone if secret footage of him was shown.
If secret footage of caroline is shown to the house it will have more of an impact and could win it for Lauren if she is the one to finally make a stand.

maybe the fact she had yet another anonymous show tonight is why she's higher than Lauren

Everyone seems to have forgotten how unkind Sara was in the first 2 weeks

maybe even tomorrow when they show it fll. surprising how adam's price moved only a little when we all saw the clips this morning but only drifted big during tonight's hl's.

Impartial on this...

Sara shouldn't be near Lauren in the betting. Flip-flop talk I find ludicrous.

An inbetweener like Sara cant win. Some event is going to happen to cause one of the outsiders to make a stand and that wins it for me. If it does not happen naturally then big brother will facilitate the events for it to happen.

I agree that Sara can't win.

I hope so anyway

Sara's odds are terrible 8's you having a laugh

Sara's price is a mystery to me too, she even admits herself shes more like an extra.

I do think shes playing a good game though in terms of staying in the house as long as possible, she'll be someone there on the final night that leaves first or second.

She attached herself to Deana once they knew she'd topped the vote and now shes siding with the majority, shes a typical sheep.

But as for winning i dont see how she can, shes hardly done anything or been involved in any of the major storylines.

tomorrow you have a lot of her taking on adam. but it means she's finally found a way to be a participant, remember she was worried, i reckon she'll do a lot more - maybe take on conor.

Sara will be shorter tomorrow when she tackles Adam over his pathetic reaction to Deana

I agree Hammy/Dylan.She may shorten tomorrow,but I just fail to see how she can win.

she'll come second to deana. and then u all won't find 8s so laughably low.

I can only be honest. Lauren is green and everyone else is red. So treat with caution what I say...

Tonight Lauren gave me what I thought was there all along. She was strong, good humoured and in the face of quite a lot of hostility from people she has lived with for many weeks, pretty resilient.

The fact that she didn't let them see how hurt she must have been testifies to something much more than the spoilt little girl she can be.

I backed her because I thought she would win. Now I want her to win. And as a BB fan, that matters more to me.

If she goes on Friday so be it. Luke must have a lot of fans out there. But I would like her to go through as she may have even more to give.

how can she beat Deana / Lauren / Adam?? just can't see it happening, whose seriously going to vote for her to win?? shes the definition of a nothing HM thats flew under the radar to survive.

I dont see Deana making a stand over and above the one she has made. Lauren the most likely to do so by having it out with Caroline. Thats what everyone wants to see and if it happens and she does not hold back and get taken in by Carolines tears when she does it then she must have a great chance.
Whoever the viewers see putting themselves out on a limb by confronting the bullies will be unstopable.

Adam was a dic k tonight,but confronting one of the good guys doesn't resonate as much as if it was one of the bad guys.

The Scottish, royalist, Thatcher lovers may vote for Sara

I suspect the market is anticipating the outsiders to be eliminated so only one left the door is ajar for someone on the periphery to be the main contender.

Deana by far the likeliest winner now IMO ,as the market suggests.

lets be honest, deana has never put herself out in a limb by confronting conor. She only did so when she had no where else to go.

Like it or not Sara is up to 23 on tv polls. 1st and 2nd pref added. She's gradually been adding for a couple of weeks now

sara's already 4th in tibb and ds by being a "nothing hm" she's the fastest rising. next week higher. just like sophie reade.

snap henry

great minds

Dylan is correct. She'll get about 2% of the vote in the final.

Paddle Deana has stood up to them throughout the show. And the good thing with her you just know another confrontation is just around the corner. She is the show.

Sara is not endearing like Sophie. It's a red-herring.

I loved her 'boring' DR. best DR of the series

wont matter, whose going to vote for her to win?? there'll be at least 1 outsider left on finals night and i dont see how she could possibly beat them. Shes probably only sticking up for Deana cos she knows she topped the vote a few weeks ago but shes easily influenced and easily led and if she thinks Deana is on the outside she'll be a sheep to survive.

I also suspect BB wont allow it to be a walkover they can easily manipulate things so someone is up automatically or make certain HMs immune, at some point the insiders will have to turn on each other.

You missed Deana being the only one willing to vote for Conor to his face, paddle?

She's the most deserving winner by a mile and I hope she does, but the one I want to win rarely does these days.

From a betting point of view this is a bit like a tennis tournament with djokovic, nadal and federer all in the same half of the draw. Only one of the insiders can make the final but whoever does takes the title.

Totally agree Fig.

oh come on five leaves, deana could not do anything else but nominate conor. It was hardly a brave act. Courage involves doing something which could put you in jeopardy.

Tell Scott and Becky that paddle

Deana absolutely knew Conor was nomming her, so hardly anything to note.

sara is Murray

just seen the last 2 minutes where i was originally interrupted. nobody's mentioned that lauren was being a total bitch saying deana just latched on to the outsiders to influence them against conor.

How Becky sucked up to Conor,after the way he and Arron treated her and Deana in the DR is sickening.

Becky is horrible, how you can attack someone for sticking up for you is beyond me, it seems only Lauren can see the craziness in it when they were actually talking about nominating Becky, somehow shes forgotten that. Looking at the clip tonight though it seems shes going to get whats due by blatantly lieing about it to Laurens face when she confronts her about it.

Its the weak HMs that i dislike the most, the ones that can all of a sudden be best friends with people that have treated them badly just because they want to survive and see safety in numbers, too stupid to realise they'll be the first ones picked on once the others are gone.

Jul 18, 2012 -- 12:12AM, paddletoe wrote:

oh come on five leaves, deana could not do anything else but nominate conor. It was hardly a brave act. Courage involves doing something which could put you in jeopardy.

deana's the bravest one in there by far. surprised you can't see that.

Lauren as certainly egging on Adam. Her and Deana have never got on well. I wonder if she's jealous now?

was*

Henry bravery is relative. In my opinion its not very brave fighting back when you have been put in a corner and have nothing left to lose. Courage is when you stand up to something when you have something to lose. Not wait until you have nothing to lose and nowhere to go. Your confusing courage with self preservation.

you dont win the victoria cross for charging a machine gun if you do it when you have no other options. You win the victoria cross when you risk life for others and put yourself in the line of fire when you had other options.

Fair point, but this is borehamwood, not the somme

Fair point back - a little unfair to judge bravery by such high standards.

Recognition of bravery is as instinctive as the act itself.

The day I thought Deana had it in the bag was when she and Shiv concocted that silly plan to trap Lauren. It showed she was prepared to push herself and her beliefs. Not sit at the back. That the “Lushleigh is fake” incident wasn’t isolated, that she could give as good as she got.

At the time the edits weren’t showing her funny side so battling was all she had. That same edit showed Adam and Luke A to be moral cowards. A clip in the same day showed Lauren to be a moral coward.

Coward is too strong a word, maybe I should have said morally weak. Because most people are like that. Taking the path of least resistance. Society couldn’t function otherwise. But we don’t admire them. We admire the brave ones. Like Deana.

Recognition of bravery is as instinctive as the act itself.

The day I thought Deana had it in the bag was when she and Shiv concocted that silly plan to trap Lauren. It showed she was prepared to push herself and her beliefs. Not sit at the back. That the “Lushleigh is fake” incident wasn’t isolated, that she could give as good as she got.

At the time the edits weren’t showing her funny side so battling was all she had. That same edit showed Adam and Luke A to be moral cowards. A clip in the same day showed Lauren to be a moral coward.

Coward is too strong a word, maybe I should have said morally weak. Because most people are like that. Taking the path of least resistance. Society couldn’t function otherwise. But we don’t admire them. We admire the brave ones. Like Deana.

She’ll be a bit shattered from the Adam incident for a day or two.

But she’s found a real ally in Sara. And those two together are more formidable than the rest of them put together.

The insiders will probably fall apart again, but this time not to regroup.

They were all in the hot tub having fun with Adam last night. I think everyone as ever reads too much into this incident henners. Not pointing any fingers like

She'll still be shattered inside. But yes it will pass.

Don't forget it clearly wasn't just about the nom convo. It started earlier in the day with something else Deana said. We are being given half measures

The second time that we know of that the prods have protected her

Yep....read that theory on a DS conspiracy thread.No idea if it's true or not,but it certainly is believable.If true,then confirmation to me she is TCO and edits will continue to be favourable.

Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:52PM, Cider wrote:

I thought the conclusion was Luke A's polling was some kind of mirage...

I'm not sure who has come to that conclusion.
Many said KK's polling on TVpolls was a mirage too and yet she was only beaten by a few dozen votes if the rumours are to believed, after a final night Paddy rampfest.

lol, probably me. I'm always very wary of tvpolls in reality and have always covered Luke A lays at a higher price.

Never taken the fecker more than 200 green though!

It will be interesting to see what their eviction poll says.
No regional vote this time, so it should be fairly accurate.

I think it will be in line with the others tbh. But I still think Luke fans are less likely to be on forums and shouty lauren fans will be

Tellymix is 59/41 Lauren staying.

That was 61/39 earlier. It has been a good one apparently

Interesting. The HG had it 88% v 12% to lauren before last night. This was based on a low sample and so should just be seen as merely indicative that she is naturally a LOT more popular than Luke.

However after Luke's positive edit last night the HG has it 61% v 39%; same as tellymix.  Shows the power of the edit.