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By:
dambuster
When: 10 Jun 23 17:53
Whats the latest on this ?
By:
pandora1963
When: 11 Jun 23 22:20
wish i knew, if he gets a light sentence after what happened to the chinese lads then it's no justice is it
By:
Latalomne
When: 21 Jun 23 10:47
No news since he was suspended. 

WillHill still sitting on the money from the match in question.
By:
dambuster
When: 18 Sep 23 16:10
Is this still going on ?
By:
Latalomne
When: 20 Sep 23 08:21
It would appear so, yes.  I still haven't been paid out / refunded, nothing has been mentioned by the authorities, and King is still not playing.
By:
gjohn101
When: 20 Sep 23 09:10
It's been what, 6 or so months since the suspension, so not yet an outlandish amount of time by the usual standards of these matters, though given it's apparently concerning just one match, you'd wonder why it does seem to be dragging on. Unless it's widened in scope from the outset, difficult to know. King did have the right to appeal the suspension and chose not to do so, whatever that suggests. More interesting, he's been selling stuff off recently, including his star table, which really would suggest he himself sees little chance of a reprieve coming.
By:
Latalomne
When: 20 Sep 23 09:26
Very interesting, mate.  The match in question (certainly the red flag raising one) was 13th Feb, so we're already past 7 months, and only one month shy of the total time the investigation into the Chinese players took!
By:
Latalomne
When: 20 Sep 23 09:27
(granted I guess some of the resources available to them might have been tied up on the Chinese cases until the conclusion of that)
By:
gjohn101
When: 20 Sep 23 10:11
Being a bit pedantic here mate but from Liangs suspension to decision was 8 months but i think that investigation was ongoing for months prior to that, possibly flowing seamlessly from the assault investigation and charge. But i think you're nail on head there with resources. They obviously threw the kitchen sink at that one and, for whatever reason, they seemed determined to have it wrapped up by the end of the season and not drag on into summer. Had a look at past cases and 6/7 months seems about average though a relatively simple case like Jamie Jones was all done in 4 which you'd think might apply to King. Don't know really, maybe it's just not a priority, i don't see why they couldn't at least release some generic, nothing statement - investigation is ongoing, player remains suspended etc - just to let people know they haven't forgotten about it or are hoping they do and King just disappears and we all carry on like nothing ever happened!
By:
Latalomne
When: 20 Sep 23 10:58
Fair one, mate.

Yeah, I have considered asking WST directly, just to make sure they realise we haven't forgotten!

They managed to get away with never (so far as I'm aware) saying anything about the matches last season that Craigie and Dave jacked in when they decided they'd "had enough"....
By:
gjohn101
When: 20 Sep 23 11:35
Jesus, I'd actually forgotten about the Sam & Dave incidents. Surely they were both given fairly hefty fines but if so, why no announcement? If no penalty was given out, then it needs to be explained why not. They need to be more transparent about this stuff and it's another reminder we're basically dealing with a guys running a professional set up like a bunch of amateurs. At least the scoreboards seem to be working which is a major achievement where these guys are concernedMischief
By:
Latalomne
When: 20 Sep 23 15:04
Absolutely, mate.
By:
Latalomne
When: 23 Sep 23 07:17
I did email WST on Thursday morning re the status of the King investigation, BTW, and have so far got nothing back.
By:
Latalomne
When: 29 Sep 23 12:38
Still no response....
By:
gjohn101
When: 30 Sep 23 10:27
Think you'll be waiting mate. I mailed them a couple of times before, just routine queries, and never got as much as a whistle back. I'd bet hard cash whoever the press guy is there has his email set up so that enquiries from the general public go straight to junk.
By:
Latalomne
When: 01 Oct 23 16:28
That right, mate?  Maybe we need to send Fouldsy/Dave Hendon a DM.
By:
Latalomne
When: 02 Oct 23 13:58
I got a reply after chasing it!

Just confirms that the investigation is still on-going and they can't comment on it for now.
By:
gjohn101
When: 02 Oct 23 15:56
O me of little faith!!

At least you got acknowledgment anyway. Wonder if someone over in Bristol was reading the forum Mischief
By:
Latalomne
When: 02 Oct 23 17:59
Laugh  That thought had crossed my mind, too!  They (bless 'em) included some links to IBAS in case I was unhappy with how WH were dealing with it Laugh  I thought that was slightly strange, since I have no doubt that WH will settle (either way) when the results of the investigation have been made public.
By:
gjohn101
When: 02 Oct 23 18:17
I presume there is some sort of bookie protocal for handling stuff like this, not one I've heard of or encountered before though. If or when Kings is charged, i wonder what WH do then? Just settle bets as normal or return stakes or what? Is a strange one tbf.
By:
Latalomne
When: 02 Oct 23 18:35
I am assuming that if they've got him "bang to rights" that bets will be voided and stakes returned.  If not, I presume I'll get paid out.

365 settled straight away ([cynic mode on]but then I had backed King there Laugh[/cynic mode off])
By:
gjohn101
When: 02 Oct 23 18:55
Would be curious to know what 365 did with Perry bets. Would seem fair they paid them out, seen as they settled King bets as losers. Have to assume they did, wouldn't be like a bookie to want to have it both ways would it?
By:
Latalomne
When: 02 Oct 23 18:59
LaughLaughLaugh
By:
Latalomne
When: 19 Oct 23 14:27
Is there a clue about this in the BBC piece that has just popped up on my phone from yesterday?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/67008159

"We monitor 3,000-plus matches every year. Since the beginning of 2018, there have been 13 matches we know have been fixed, of which 10 were in the Chinese case we've just had - it's 0.1% of matches that have come to notice," he said.

Do we *officially* know of 3 others in that timeframe?
By:
gjohn101
When: 19 Oct 23 14:51
Yeah, saw that earlier mate. Wasn't personally aware of any more, unless you include King which seemed to be just a single match. Don't know qhat exactly he's suggesting there tbh.
By:
Latalomne
When: 19 Oct 23 15:59
Interesting, isn't it?  I just found a Wiki page listing all of the matches that have come under investigation, and there are definitely not three extras listed between the timeframe he speaks about...  (the Perry v King match is listed - as under investigation)
By:
gjohn101
When: 19 Oct 23 18:08
Yeah dont know what to make of it mate. A couple of cases, like Yu Delu, were settled in 2018, though the relevant matches were earlier, so maybe he's counting those. But i don't know if that even adds up. If only we had a hector nunns to quiz him about itMischief
By:
Latalomne
When: 19 Oct 23 18:59
Laugh
By:
Latalomne
When: 10 Jan 24 21:24
Just realised, we're another three and a bit months on and almost up to 11 months since the match in question, and still no announcement from WST....
By:
gjohn101
When: 26 Jan 24 09:20
Seems you're not the only one asking questions mate. Interesting line in thread about a non tour player being banned twice without any announcement. No idea who is being referred to there.

https://x.com/EdwardsTips_/status/1750141606823444740?s=20
By:
Latalomne
When: 26 Jan 24 10:02
It does hugely have the feel of having been done, dusted and swept under the carpet, mate, there is no getting away from that. 

I accept he has been through a lot in his life - plenty of it not at all good, and there may well have been "mitigating circumstances" that prompted whatever happened to happen (God know, his demons are well documented), but it's a dangerous road to go down, especially when they were quite happy to publicly hang the Chinese lads out to dry.

I doubt it will just go away, and if they are shown to have tried to make it go away, that's a very bad look for the sport indeed.

Interesting that someone has called Butch out as being bent in that thread, too! Shocked
By:
gjohn101
When: 26 Jan 24 13:17
Missed the butch comment but pretty much the same group of posters, or one of them anyway, were pointing the finger at Zhang Anda on another recent thread. Who knows really? All i would say is there are two top level pros in particular who have always stood out for me for the gap that exists between their A and D games over the course of their careers. Butch is one and i don't think the other actually needs mentioning Wink
By:
Latalomne
When: 26 Jan 24 13:39
It is hard to say, mate.  It is such a mentally taxing game, as well as just being bloody difficult full-stop, that it doesn't take much of a drop-off for things to look really bad, really quickly. 

There's always that grey area, too, where you might not be giving it your all trying to win, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're deliberately trying to tank either.  You can't play at full throttle the whole time, that is clear.  Even peak Ronnie/Judd have/had dips.

Is there a clue in you mentioning "D game"?  LaughLaughLaugh
By:
gjohn101
When: 26 Jan 24 22:39
Ha, that hadn't actually occurred to me mate but you could well take it as oneLaugh

Just to be clear, that wasn't intended to be casting aspersions on butch, it's just I've always been amazed at how utterly shyte he can be for long stretches of the season. And then he'll pop up from nowhere to reach a world or masters final and the bbc lads will be slobbering over him, "such an underrated player...up there with the greats of the game" etc etc. Just find it a strange one tbh
By:
Latalomne
When: 27 Jan 24 08:51
He is an interesting one, because they always love to tell us about his love for the game, and how, even if there's not a pro-tournament on, he'll still be playing in some pro-am or exhibition.  He's obviously been struggling with his eyes for a while, which I think explains the massive drop-off in recent years, and that remains unresolved.  That night he battered Shon last (?) season, he clearly took tremendous delight from it, and I think surprised himself.  Then he goes and gets battered NTO....  Without knowing about how players prepare ahead of tournaments (eg extra practice), it's hard to read too much into things like that, I think.
By:
gjohn101
When: 29 Jan 24 10:42
Fair post lats. I do remember Bingham being a regular around various pro ams in ireland, especially up in Fergal O'Briens club, where murphy was based for a while, so i think what they say about him is true enough.

And speaking of the devil, somebody randomly posted this wonderful shot from 2015 that i remember vividly. The bit you don't see is Virgo and Hendry (or whoever was with him at the time) discussing his options pre-shot and not coming anywhere close to what he ultimately came up with. It's up there with my favourite ever shots, the majority of which are probably by AlexHappy

https://x.com/ILoveSnooker_/status/1751538989662662859?s=20
By:
Latalomne
When: 29 Jan 24 14:51
Crackerjack alright, mate!  Cool

Sent you a message, BTW  Wink
By:
gjohn101
When: 29 Jan 24 17:51
Got it mate. CheersCool
By:
Latalomne
When: 13 Feb 24 10:45
A year on, I thought I'd just try my luck again with Hills.  After over an hour of chat bots, sitting, waiting, chat operators, more sitting and waiting, and a supervisor, they are still refusing to do anything until there is an official announcement from the WPBSA.
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