Betfred Special

decent offer, nothing special

With 147 angle it's a great offer and all my antepost bets will be with Betfred.

Hope its as good as the Messi hat trick......

only online im told

What concession are they offering?

whats the max stake?

max £200. If Trump wins WC then all losing bets on o/r selections refunded.

online only so if the max stake is £200 that will be available to about 10 people in the uk as everyone else has either had their account closed down or limited to pence

Nice app from the Post... http://content.betfred.com/snooker/

Also - it is on the PP site

its now in shop so its worth doing

back murphy 16-1 lay 17.5 then lay trump the player not in your trousers

makes about £20 for each £200 you bet in baldys shops

so does this mean if you backed Hendry to win it , you are paid out now at 80-1 for the 147 ??

Yes, but I doubt they let anyone put more than £1.25 on.

I was under the impression that it was money back if your selection made a max.
When I found out this afternoon that it was equivalent odds, I thought it was a crazy offer.

Hour or so later, my mate was buzzing on nailing Hendry at 80/1.  He had £2.50, his mate £5, and several  other punters at small stakes. As I understand it, the bet was on the outrights, so I don't think there'd be any limits.   

Great to see Baldy shafted on this and well done to those who got on.

Ladbrokes are paying all outright winner bets on stephen hendry up to £50 at 80/1

Yer and ladcrooks accept about 4p per bet online. Only doable if they have the same offer in shops which I don't know if they did or not.

Online only

lads had the offer in my local shop

what was the 147 offer?

back someone outright, if they get a 147 will pay out as winner

thanks Nilsson

with regards the 147 offer, my account has been credited with free bets, not cash, it doesnt mention this anywhere in their t&c's, surely this cant be right, giving someone a free bet isnt the same as paying out as a winner

Who did that 8ball betfred or ladcrooks?

will be betfred no doubt....

this was the first round offer -


2012 World Snooker Championships - 1st Round Cashback

Saturday from 10:00 Live on BBC1

Place a bet on any of the 1st round matches in the 2012 Snooker World Championships, and if your selection loses in a deciding frame, Fred will refund all losing stakes up to £200

Offer available at Betfred.com only
Stake £5 or more on the win market of any of the 2012 World Snooker Championship matches to qualify.
All frames must finish, in the event of frame not finishing offer is invalid.
Your selection must lose in the deciding frame for cashback to be awarded.
Only bets placed prior to the start of the match count.
Maximum cash-back awarded is £200 or currency equivalent
Singles only
Any subsequent returns from bets placed using free bet stakes will not include the stake
Free bets will be credited to your account within 48 hours of your qualifying bet being settled.
Cannot be used in conjunction with any other offer.
Usual Betfred.com rules apply, see website for details.

same T&C for the 147 offer...bit of a crappy offer then really

it was Betfred, and unless im reading it wrong, it doesnt state here that winning will be given as free bets, and even so on their site today they are saying

2012 World Snooker Championship - 147 Cashback
After Stephen Hendry hit a magical 147, I'm paying him out as the tournament winner. If he goes on to win the tournament, I'll double his outright winner odds.

This isnt true, giving someone free bets is hardly the same thing as paying out as a winner

That's bang out of order 8 ball. You can still turn it in to cash by "scalping" the free bets. i.e Back at high odds and laying off on an exchange as long as you remember the stake isn't included in the free bets.

So how would it work if Hendry wins the tournament?

They would pay you out in free bets too?

To be continued........ i feel some interesting conversations with Customer services coming up, and IBAS is neccesary, or maybe even trading standards !!!

sorry that should read, and IBAS if neccesary

if it says cashback, it should be cash back. absolutely no confusion there, very simple.

if u get free bets instead,always remember it is much better touse themonanodds against poke,NOT a odds on poke.

if u get free bets instead,always remember it is much better touse themonanodds against poke,NOT a odds on poke.

Surprised more isn't being made of this-it is welching pure & simple but not a surprise given the ludicrous generosity of the offer coupled with the previous form of these cr00ks.

I had £17 on Hendry with the Fred mob and my "free account" has been credited with the money as a free bet. Not cash but a free bet. What a shower this mob are. Ive been emailing them back and forward all day and all the say is that "free bets will be credited within 48 hours"  They now say the matter is closed.

It says nowhere the winnings are a free bet. Winning are winnings, not more free bets. Bunch of gangsters this mob. Ive threatened them with all manner of things and Ive contacted the gambling regulator in gibraltar. IBAS may or may not also be a possible avenue. Be interested to hear other peoples stories over this. They are stealing the punters money in all but name to save their sorry holes. Never mentioned anywhere in the t+cs than "winnings would be as a free bet" Ive now a ludicrous free bet of £1377.

What an awful man Baldy is.

I'm not personally a beneficiary of this, but a mate of mine is expecting £200 back.  Not £200 free bets.

Does he have no shame?  Just admit you made a rick Baldy and pay up.

Surely this can not be allowed. He's made an error offering this but surely can't get away with not paying out. You can't make offers and just change them to suit. Disgrace. Say what you want about PP you would never see this happen with them.

I remonstrated with them to the point of saying what they had advertised and what they had done were fraud. I got a one line reply saying their marketing team confirm the returns were to be paid out as free bets. Pity no one else and certainly not the punters knew this. They now say the case is closed. What a f00k**g cheek. It might be closed for them but not for me. And the lying dogs advertised on their site that Hendry punters had been paid out.

Sickening thing is too that Laddies were giving the same offer but I done it with Baldy cos of the Trump money back concession and double the odds if your player wins. Presumably if Hendry wins now Ill get my 160/1 to my stake in more imaginary money in the way of free bets.

I would implore any backers of Hendry with this dispicable crowd keep at them. If we all keep them under pressure we might just get them to cave in. I would also ask you to use IBAS for this matter. If IBAS end up with a whole lot of punters complaining about the same thing they might just take them to task.

sorry cant help with the 147 offer etc, but ive just read fridays racing post, and regarging the offer on trump winning and bets refunded, it says in small print, bets online/ phone will be credited as free bets, in stores it will be given as cash back, i presume stores mean shops, hope this might help if trump wins.

thats shocking GM , keep us posted , let us know what happens , i feel like calling them and asking if its true ...

its especially rude if it said in the T and C's that you would be paid out as a winner ,and no mention of free bet funds

I remember looking at the T&C's online but don't recall seeing anything about free bets... but then again I was only really looking if their was a maximum stake. So not sure.

They're all a bunch of welching chancers.  No honour in the bookmaking industry, except for the odd independant.  How do you think the big firms got so big?

Email the snooker bodies and also the bbc telling them the sponsors or the world snooker championship are fraudsters. Wasn't it Betfred who refused to pay Barry Curly on the horse racing acca. Also remember not paying out on some football max a while back. Seem to be the worst of the worst.

he is an absolute ****. They've let him get his grubby little thieving hands on the
t0te too. unbelievable.

This is the t+c's they sent me. They highlighted the "free bets....." line. To me that is totally irrelevant. Can anyone here say from this that winnings are to be paid as a free bet ?

The terms of the 147 offer;



If your selection makes a 147 break we will pay you out as a tournament winner, If he then goes on to also win the tournament we will double your outright winner odds.



T's & C's:
Single bets only
Only bets placed before the start of the first tournament match at 10am on Saturday April 21st are valid.
Max bet £200
Any subsequent returns from bets placed using free bet stakes will not include the stake
Free bets will be credited to your account within 48 hours of your qualifying bet being settled
Cannot be used in conjunction with any other offer.
Usual Betfred.com rules apply, see website for details.

They have just retrospectively cobbled that togther anyhow-original offer had no mention of free bets anywhere

Really need someone to have copied the original t&cs
I didn't get involved in this promotion but anyone dodgy and Betfr ed is one of the worst, it's wise to safeguard yourself.
Maybe put a call out to see if anyone has?

Those t&c's I believe are about the money back if Trump wins offer, read through them and came to the conclusion that if Trump wins you get a free bet, if your selection makes a 147 then you get paid out as a winner.

This is pretty fecking naughty

Those are what they sent me when I asked them. I cannot remember the original t+c's when I read them but what I am sure of is that they also made no mention of free bets. Paid out as a winner as it says above, and as advertised on their site before and after the event when they tried to cover themselves in glory.

Any winner ever I backed that was paid out was paid out in cash. I didnt have to find another selection to have a free bet on and pray that it won! Im going to make a complaint to the Gambling Commission and they will likely get IBAS involved. I've not been paid out as a winner. Should Hendry win the tournament will I be paid that in free bets as well ? I think not but with this theiv**g crowd who knows when they might just run off with your money.

This is a travesty, cant believe people are not shouting from the rooftops about this. What a disgrace.

Has anyone tried to get the Racing Post involved?

I'm trying to shout from the rooftops lol. Does anyone else know how to get this into the open to get these commanchies exposed for the sham they are ? And maybe to put pressure on them. Any ideas from anyone will be greatly appreciated guys....

ttt.
don't let him get away with it.

Guys please read my Victor thread.

I need help/advice.

The way bfred are going the 'Betfred Special' is going down in gambling slang as 'screwing the punter'.  e.g I just had a winner at 3/1 been paid at 2/1 I have been 'betfred specialed'.

tweet pp and the rivals on twitter and they will retweet. hope u guys get paid out. dont use those freebets in the meantime. keep us updated on how u get on

The free bets will probably expire within 2 hours of being issued anyway

I looked at this and was really tempted to have a bet on the outright - I wouldn't have chosen Hendry though. But really this is an outrage he should pay out in cash no excuses.

I would get the BBC involved or possibly talksport - it's a no brain winner.

Talksport would love it - the BBC have got the snooker so any story against the sponsor would be of interest.

Really hope you get you money guys.

Senyatta 26 Apr 12 01:19

tweet pp and the rivals on twitter and they will retweet. hope u guys get paid out. dont use those freebets in the meantime. keep us updated on how u get on


I have tried this today and have had no response at all from PP

My mate has gone from 4 days in Dusseldorf/Cologne with return flights and £60 on the jars down the Alstadt, to £200 of free bets.

We both work in Manchester City Centre.  He's fuming.  Wants to put Baldy's windows in.  Fortunately, I calmed him down with the phrase "Slowly, Slowly - Catchey Monkey".

If you and your cohorts are looking in, nobody will be dining in "Nicky's" from now onwards, Fred.

Your approach to the Accrington V Bury game in 2008, when you accepted bets up until k.o. at 3pm, then VOIDED, epitomised what Betfed(r)is all about.  You buried that when Utd Vs Chelsea in the Champions League Final.  Talk about a quiet day to bury bad news.

How you got your grubby little hands on the "Tote", (backhanders aside) I will never know. 
You are a disgrace to the bookmaking profession.

with these free bets, if you use them and you win do you get more free bets or is that winnings paid cash ?

think what i would do is back a horse where odds are very close to betfair, and lay the horse on here , hope it loses and youll get your cash here, if it wins you break even.

ps with the free bets question i posted , i mean the free bet stake is that returned if you win

I plan to call them sometime today and I'm expecting to have a row, I think we all need to get together and voice our disgust at this blatant attempt at undoing the losses their offer has obviously cost them, even today they are still claiming they have paid out as a winner, I'm thinking an email to IBAS, the gambling commission in Gibraltar and Trading Standards might be our best hope. I will ask the question if these free bets have to be used in a certain time as I for one don't plan to touch them until this farce is sorted out. I have screen shots of the original T&c's and at best they are ambiguous, the ad for the trump offer states free bets and the ad for the 147  offer doesn't, however the T&c's for both offers we're the same.

I plan to call them sometime today and I'm expecting to have a row, I think we all need to get together and voice our disgust at this blatant attempt at undoing the losses their offer has obviously cost them, even today they are still claiming they have paid out as a winner, I'm thinking an email to IBAS, the gambling commission in Gibraltar and Trading Standards might be our best hope. I will ask the question if these free bets have to be used in a certain time as I for one don't plan to touch them until this farce is sorted out. I have screen shots of the original T&c's and at best they are ambiguous, the ad for the trump offer states free bets and the ad for the 147  offer doesn't, however the T&c's for both offers we're the same.

The "Free bet" stake is non refundable.

hey guys...do u know how betfred are giving 200 pounds to charity for every century break..well are they going to give them freebets instead of actual cash? wouldnt surprise me at all.scumbags...hope u guys get ur money

GM, when the free bet is credited to your account, bang the lot on a non-runner. If they wont allow that, wait until someone is 2 or 3 nil up in a footie match in injury time and put it on at 1/500 or whatever in running.

omg the stake isn't refunded if you win? this is beyond the pale now.
betfred are a contemptible outfit!

Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:21PM, Humbert The Priest wrote:

GM, when the free bet is credited to your account, bang the lot on a non-runner. If they wont allow that, wait until someone is 2 or 3 nil up in a footie match in injury time and put it on at 1/500 or whatever in running.

But if the stake isn't refunded, there is no point in putting it on anything less than evens.

also watch out, the free bets might have to be on evens or above.

i know that many of you are having a go here and i dont blame you at all if the offer didnt say free bet, but still these free bets are superb offers .   i was given £ 50 free bet on euro 2012 by spoilsport the other day, by just having a £ 50 stake on a race at punchestown, all i did was bet with them and lay on here

elisjohn that is totally irrelevant to the situation we find ourselves in after dealing with these thieves BETFRED.

They have welshed on bets paying large sums and are lying in emails to cover their tracks.

Despicable behavior. I hope they burn in hell.

i wonder if they rubbed salt in the wounds by limiting the accounts so u cudnt get more than say 50 euro from a winning freebet..any of u checked to see if theyve done that?u can hardly use the freebet in the casino can u? maybe there is some way to work around it.maybe if u guys wait for a golf tornie finl round..often ull see two players who are a few shots ahead of third and both wud be say 5/4 or 6/4...lump the freebet on one and the same stake on the other.thrid place will more than likely be 16/1 or thereabouts and if they  make a move u can always stick 20 on for cover

forgot the stake isnt returned..damn.well maybe take a chance when two favs are say 2/1.cud be golf horse racing or whatever.maybe 2 3/1 favs or soemthing like that.anyways check and see how long the freebet lasts for and u can wait for this opportunity until the freebet ends or fat bald runt does the right thing and pays out

How they can get away with saying this on their site for 3 days after stealing our winnings is beyond me.

After Stephen Hendry hit a magical 147, I'm paying him out as the tournament winner. If he goes on to win the tournament, I'll double his outright winner odds.

when i had free bets, i just backed a horse with them that i really didnt fancy to win, layed on here , try and get a similar odds and then hope it doesnt win. then you lose on free bet and win on here

That works if you get your stake back.

no, works perfect if horse loses, if horse wins then youbreak even

But you lose your winnings from the offer

freds the bald oompa loompa isnt he..what an ugly cretin.god bless him hope he uses some of the money for some lipo and weights to work on that pigeon chest of his..not to mention some hair treatment lol

If you back something like a non-runner, are the free bets refunded as cash or free bets?

u lose the freebet. say id u back a team draw no bet witha  minute left and put the freebet on and it finishes in a draw - u will get no win or no loss but the freebet stake will not be given back. if it was meid just wait for a couple of 2 or 3/1 favs wherethe nearest is say 12/1 and at least worst case u just lose the freebet.hope u guys get paid out tho.

I think I can guess...


Anyway this thread is about BETFRED customers being ripped off and lied to. Not about the ins and outs of free bets.

say you have £200 free bet, put the lot on horse at 4/1, lay on here at 5.0 if you can , if that horse loses you win £200, if wins then you get £ 800 from baldy but you lose £800 on here. that why you need the horse to lose. forget about free bet stake thats irrevelent in the situation, as you dont get that returned anyway.

non runner free bet is returned as free bet

I am amazed nobody is taking legal action ... a free bet is NOT the equivalent in cash as you do not get the stake back - the stake is effectively built into the odds - so an even money is a 50/50 chance you stake £10 and win you get £20 back. But with the free bet you only get £10 back. A free bet is effectively only "half" money

It's for this reason and as for the blatant statements in his advertising that I believe the advertising standards could have him.

I am also amazed that he actually believes he is in the right it's so clearly wrong and he should pay up in cash.

IBAS have ruled Fred must pay out in cash, ok for me as I never used free bet balance, but I bet the majority have done.

nice one 8 ball ,and so they should ,if thats what they promised

yes nice one - he needed taking down a peg or two with that scam .... i'm also interested what he's doing with tote pools too.

This is excellent news but probably doesn't help me as I converted my free bets into cash at about 80% of their face value. Don't expect I'll be able to reclaim the other 20%.