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The two most unpatriotic nations in the world? Loads of tickets going spare... i can understand it from the Scots... didn't want independence and regular failures but the Australians? There's about 500,000 living in Hammersmith alone.

Scotland to cause a shock and bring some joy back to the region? Andy Murray and Chris Hoy to embrace and show us a collective smile...
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Report Insideshrewdie October 19, 2015 6:30 PM BST
KDM...that’s the point the rules state refs can’t use the TMO for decisions like a penalty for offside.....the unwritten rule is they all know they use it in the manner i mentioned in order to get tot he correct decision...
Report northanlite October 19, 2015 7:23 PM BST
despite raging at some of his decisions i find it staggering that world rugby have now put Joubert in the position they have by publicly saying he was wrong. I'm not sure how he can carry on now he's been so undermined.
i do wonder if this is more to do with his behaviour after the final whistle or perhaps just the last straw from a ref who has made a few howlers.
at least it shuts up all those numpties who for some reason kept banging on that it was the correct call.
Report sixtwosix October 19, 2015 7:33 PM BST
Going public and doing so as quick as this , is unusual in any sport .....what there agenda is is anyones guess.

Lots of Rugby Union decisions are borderline and open to interpretation , this is the root cause , not the refs decision.

He clearly is being held out to dry.
Report hulk23 October 19, 2015 7:50 PM BST
ok, glad that's sorted. 
when is the announcement on why the tmo did not intervene on the mitchell late challenge on hogg ?
unlike the knock on, this was clearly an act of "foul play"
Report johnnythebull October 19, 2015 8:38 PM BST
this has touched a few raw nerves it would seem but at the end of the day all the postulating and post mortems don't appear to have changed the result last time i looked
Report nugget October 19, 2015 9:29 PM BST
I have to disagree with the review committee, it looks like the ball comes of the Scottish player after Phipps knocks it back towards himself in attempting to regather the ball.  You can tell by how fast the ball flies away it must of come off the Scottish player who was charging in.  Also the Scottish player was not using his arms, he could of been penalised by the tmo.

Not surprised the rugby match official committee made this call to somewhat satisfy the huge number of whingers who want to make this the biggest story of the cup, now they've got what they wanted to hear they can move on and everyone can concentrate on the semi-finals between the 4 best teams at the tournament.
Report tim6 October 19, 2015 9:42 PM BST
Scottish rugby should do an FAI on it after Thierry Henry's hand ball and ask to be included in the semifinals based on ref's wrong decision as Ireland asked for in the football world cup qualifiers. Won't get anywhere with the semi final request but could get an extra 5 million compensation that's if there is a Sepp Blatter equivalent in rugby.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 19, 2015 9:53 PM BST
Time for some clearer heads to prevail now after lots of us being less than kind towards Joubert. We must be careful the game doesn't go down the route of the round ball game and the portents are increasingly ominous. So for the sake of fairness we should also point out that in those last three minutes Scotland failed to regather the kick off from the Aussies. They threw a wet ball to the tail in torrential rain and missed the jumper and even right at the end when they should have gambled on recovering a short kick around the ten metre line they kicked the ball deep into Australia's 22 thus denying themselves any realistic prospect of reclaiming the ball. There were too many mistakes made for a team looking to close out a game they had their hands on and that wasn't down to Joubert.
Report tim6 October 19, 2015 10:02 PM BST
ET the Rugby hierarchy would beg to differ and have publicly hung Joubert out, so Scotland should look for some compensation for not being in the semi finals which would have been a huge financial boost to scottish rugby
Report nugget October 19, 2015 10:14 PM BST
If you believe the ref got the call wrong though tim, Aus were still going to get the ball 10-15 meteres out from the Scottish line and in the context of the high scoring game that it was and Aus already scoring 5 tries and over 30 points it was highly likely that they would come up with the winning points anyway. So I dont think they'd have a leg to stand on.
Report tim6 October 19, 2015 10:22 PM BST
That's theoretical what scotland have is a very good case which could help Scottish rugby based on the Rugby Hierarchy themselves thus would have a case to present. What you or I think are opinions which really mean nothing it is the Rugby Hierarchy which decide and thus a case should be made. If the Irish FAI thought like you they would not have got 5mill euros in their back pocket.
Report nugget October 19, 2015 10:38 PM BST
A very good case?  Maybe another panel can come in and overturn that decision/admission by the "Rugby Hierarchy".  Like what happened in the instance with the suspended Scottish players.  Then they could go through every game game start to finish and see who got the most unfavourable calls and award them 5 million euros.  Don't hold your breath.  Also I dont think the irb have the money to be throwing around to keep people quiet like fifa do.
Report tim6 October 19, 2015 10:43 PM BST
When the FAI put their case to FIFA to be included as an extra team in the world cup like you Sepp Blatter laughed at the suggestion during a press conference. Yet the FAI were compensated to the tune of 5mill euros, Scotland have a genuine case don't know why you want to knock it with if's and but's. Go Scotland the brave we are behind you.
Report nugget October 19, 2015 10:46 PM BST
Different sports tim, sort of like comparing apples with oranges.  I'm sure Scotland rugby fans couldn't give two sh*ts about compensation, they rather be watching there team play in the semi-final next week.
Report nugget October 19, 2015 10:47 PM BST
*their team
Report northanlite October 19, 2015 10:51 PM BST
have you taken your medication yet nugget?
how were australia getting the ball 10-15 metres out exactly? the pen was 30 metres out. you obviously now feel the need to resort to falsehoods & conjecture.

at least if they had dropped a goal or scored a try from the scrum it would have been deserved without question.
although of course there was still the late hit on Hogg not being dealt with to have a good old moan about Mischief

the SRU won't do anything about it and will just accept it as a bad call.
what they will do is bank it for a future favour of some sort for not making a big deal of it but nothing can be done about it now.
World rugby have not done anyone any favours with that statement, including themselves. It just seems a pointless and
stupid course of action to me.
Report tim6 October 19, 2015 10:57 PM BST
My point exactly north the fact that world rugby made their statement that it was a wrong call makes the Scottish case solid thus if you want to call it a future favour or hush money then so be it. Scotland should make their case and good luck to them, yes they would prefer to be in the semi finals as Ireland would have preferred to be in the world cup but no point whinging get what is due for the future of Scottish rugby to bring it on.
Report nugget October 19, 2015 11:13 PM BST
Sorry not 10-15 meters, but not 30 meters as you falsely say, it was 23-24 meters out on closer inspection.

You talk about falsehoods and then go on to claim a late hit on Hogg, who is using conjecture or perpetuating falsehoods now?  In no way was that late.  Hogg was playing for the penalty, you can see he shuffles sideways to initiate the contact with the Aus player.  The Aus player was just holding his line after being in the air as he was committed to the charge down.   

SRU might be banking it for future favour (whatever that means) and not making a big deal about it but that's mainly because everyone else has done that for them. lol.
You think there is a solid case because the ref got a decision wrong in rugby? lol. People acting like this is the first time a ref has ever made an incorrect judgment call in a game of rugby.
The world rugby statement on the decision was just to hush up the whingers in my opinion and help people move on.
Report tim6 October 19, 2015 11:15 PM BST
Go Scotland the brave
Report Eeternaloptimist October 20, 2015 1:33 AM BST
I think you're wrong Tim. I have no idea if or why Ireland would be paid off for Henry cheating but nobody cheated anybody on that decision. Joubert made a call based on what he saw in real time. The fact that the governing body have said that their view is different based on various camera angles at various speeds is irrelevant. Scotland had their chance to close the game out and failed to do so. People looking to deflect will usually find someone else to blame.
Report sageform October 20, 2015 7:33 AM BST
The final decision might have been a genuine mistake but how 4 officials could have missed the red card body check just before that is inexplicable and no I am not particularly a Scotland fan.
Report TheVis October 20, 2015 8:27 AM BST
I think there may be a case now for having the TMO review all penalty calls within say the last 5 mins of the game.  Not sure if this is practical or not.  Perhaps only games involving a one score margin at that stage would have pens reviewed.
Report Desmond Orchard October 20, 2015 10:41 AM BST
I'll be clear and state that I don't agree with TMO's being used at all, the refs decision is final and that's that - when it's not, you erode the respect that that official has and in ten years it'll be like soccer. Humans make mistakes, we just have to live with that and hope that they even out.
But if you are going to use it, then bloody use it. I don't see why the TMO (who would have to be a top level ref himself) can't be continually reviewing the game and bring mistakes to the refs attention at the next break in play, it's not like the game flows on for long periods of time. In this particular instance, the whistle was blown for the knock-on anyway, so where's the harm? If the game has moved on substantially, teams could have the option to decline the penalty/scrum/lineout that they would've got, like in the NFL, would take moments and certainly not as long as it takes to get a scrum set or lineout organised.
Report TheBaptist October 20, 2015 11:23 AM BST
Joubert cheated NH twice for me France were winners in 2011 & Scotland last weekend.. but I think a genuine mistake for SCO... a complete look the other way in 2011 less excusable..

I say that as a SH supremacist.. Sco throwing skyball to back of the lineout with 1.5 mins to go was a brain fart lack of close out expereince tho'

Anyway RSA will be punished, for Jouberts sins Jerome Garcia appointed for NZvsRSA... RSA had a sluggers chance and a possible classic if Owens was appointed, Jerome allowed injury teams standing in front of certain SA players to allow ARG over for a score, nothing fairplay about him, plus Ritchies offside out of the lineout winner in the championship and general 'joubert' like blindness on McCaw infringements.. so closed my book for the outright, massive gains on all NH shorts, plus a big exposure on ARG means no need to see final 3 matches with risk.

Interesting how McCaw spoils, then holds onto the ball post pen to reduce chance of pen being taken quick, and NZ gain for French player pushing a fist against his face because he wont release.. McCaw should get a yellow as well.. for professional play.. but it wont happen expect more thereof.
Report northanlite October 20, 2015 11:26 AM BST
it wasn't a red or probably even a yellow card in it but surely the tmo gives a penalty at least?

https://vine.co/v/e9nv1AZXItI
Report TheBaptist October 20, 2015 11:27 AM BST
Last QF involving AUS was also a 1 pointer, courtesy of a NZ ref Bryce Lawrence -- for those wondering if the fix was in this super short clip with infringements highlighted, it will make Jouberts mistake look like childs play.

Especially watch for all men flat on the ground and the Pocock scoop back & 2 potential tries called forward pass. Bryce was awarded ref of the year by NZ shortly after this, and their 2011 win.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9DzAf6Agow
Report spyker October 20, 2015 11:37 AM BST
TMO's don't always get it right, nowhere near it - Aussie cited after Eng game for an incident that was plainly obvious to the touch judge 2m away, was replayed and viewed by tmo but nothing done (not sure if ref asked for it) yet cited after and given 1 match ban. So all the officials (inc tmo) missed  a definite (and pretty obvious) red card yet nothing said but the IRB criticise the ref on this one?
Of course Scot would def have won the aussie scrum (that is now being said should have been the result) and wrapped the game up no doubt....
Report donny osmond October 20, 2015 5:52 PM BST
yeah, the fans would still be waiting now whilst the debate rages on as to what to do

sometimes you just have to take refs word and make best of a bad job.


in some parallel universe the scots held out at aussie scrum and went on to lift trophy,
presented by the princess royal
Report TheVis October 20, 2015 6:27 PM BST
Baptist manages to drag a conspiracy out of this for the upcoming game, NZ v SA.

You can't say this bloke is anything but consistent :)
Report FredRescue October 20, 2015 7:55 PM BST
Joubert was clearly buckling under the pressure in the last minutes.

Did he even ask TMO to review Hogg being taken out?

As for the knock on, from where Joubert was standing it was impossible he did not see it hitting an Aussie hand, he just had a brain freeze having already indicating Scotland knock on, just gave the penalty for offside despite clearly seeing it hit Aus hand in between times. Realising this school boy error he ran off the pitch in embarrassment at the end.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 20, 2015 8:31 PM BST
Laugh What will be the lottery numbers this week fred?
Report nugget October 20, 2015 9:32 PM BST
https://www.facebook.com/RugbyLAD7/videos/720301311433815/
Report FredRescue October 20, 2015 10:56 PM BST
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You disagree with anything in there?
Report stewardsenquirey October 21, 2015 12:05 AM BST
Steve Walsh must be crying into his newspaper with the amount of attention Joubert has received in the past couple of days.This would have been his dream come true.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 21, 2015 12:43 AM BST
Pretty much all of it Fred.

Joubert was clearly buckling under the pressure in the last minutes.

You don't provide any evidence for this. Joubert has refereed higher profile matches than a world cup quarter final so it seems reasonable to ask why you assert this without any evidence? In fact if he was buckling under the pressure he would have behaved quite differently to how he did. Buckling usually leads to inertia or total irrationality as the brain finds it increasingly difficult to make clear decisions. This was clearly not the case with Joubert. Many disagree with his decision due to reference to multi angled slow motion replays played repeatedly but equally in real time many people understand why he made the decision he did. What is incontrovertible is that rightly or wrongly, and that is a wafer thin judgement call, as soon as the incident happened he saw, he called it and his arm came out to signal the penalty which is the polar opposite of what you are alleging.

Did he even ask TMO to review Hogg being taken out?


Obviously not. It seems clear that he didn't see it and once again given that some people argue it was the clearest red card there has ever been and others don't see any offence once again it depends on the perspective, bias, of the individual.

As for the knock on, from where Joubert was standing it was impossible he did not see it hitting an Aussie hand, he just had a brain freeze having already indicating Scotland knock on, just gave the penalty for offside despite clearly seeing it hit Aus hand in between times. Realising this school boy error he ran off the pitch in embarrassment at the end.

Pure conjecture and totally illogical. If it was impossible he did not see it hitting an Aussie hand, as you allege then there would have only been one decision he could and would have taken. The point is that even with multi angled and slow motioned analysis in the studio after the match there wasn't unanimity as to what had happened so what hope for Joubert? The reason for this is the Scottish and Asutralian interventions happen almost simultaneously which is what led to the debate as to what happened.

Joubert saw the incident, he made a clear call and backed his judgement on a fine margin decision. Time for some people to grow up and stop acting like the worst kind of whining round ball supporters. Part of the greatness of rugby has usually been the respect for the referee and acceptance that at speed close decisions can go either way and over the course of a match the referee is never responsible for one team or other losing. Scotland lost the game because they didn't close it out despite several possible opportunities.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 21, 2015 12:50 AM BST
I could also have made the more simple point that this is just not how rugby people should behave. On the field, from players haranguing referee's, throwing their arms around and bellowing at him (look at the stills of the incident in question and the Aussie blindside's primieval rage). To the fans whisting kickers and now apparently throwing bottles at the officials. The spirit of the game is too precious for the RFU not to begin addressing some of these concerns. A game is what it is. Just a game.
Report FredRescue October 21, 2015 6:57 AM BST
You say he didn't see the Hogg penalty incident?

What kind of referee would not be watching to see if the kicker was taken out? You claim he wasn't so therefore he was buckling under pressure.


He was 5 yards away from the Aussie playing the ball looking directly at it, if the Aussie touched it once he could be just about excused missing it. But it bounced off him twice, to say an International referee did not see that is ludicrous.
Report northanlite October 21, 2015 9:38 AM BST

Oct 20, 2015 -- 6:50PM, Eeternaloptimist wrote:


I could also have made the more simple point that this is just not how rugby people should behave. On the field, from players haranguing referee's, throwing their arms around and bellowing at him (look at the stills of the incident in question and the Aussie blindside's primieval rage). To the fans whisting kickers and now apparently throwing bottles at the officials. The spirit of the game is too precious for the RFU not to begin addressing some of these concerns. A game is what it is. Just a game.


has one shred of evidence been found to support the this bottle throwing claim?
Joubert was in the middle of the pitch when he blew up & turned tail so it can't have been aimed at him unless someone in the stands had
a bottle rocket.
will we ever find out why joubert headed for the exits in such a manner. the Scotland players stayed and shook hands
with the Australians despite no doubt wanting to just get off the pitch asap. surely the ref legging it did the greatest damage
to "the spirit of the game"

Report Eeternaloptimist October 21, 2015 11:14 AM BST
Fred

Yet if you go back to the night the studio panel despite all the available angles and slow motion replay were still split 2-1 as to who it came off last. Even despite the technology all you can do is give an opinion based on what was most likely. To suggest that in real time there was only one possible explanation is what is "ludicrous." But that now seems to be exactly what you are saying and leaves no possible room for any other explanation than Joubert clearly saw it and deliberately cheated. Or was it both? Brain freeze and deliberate cheating?

You say he didn't see the Hogg penalty incident?

What kind of referee would not be watching to see if the kicker was taken out? You claim he wasn't so therefore he was buckling under pressure.


I can only assume your hysteria is yet to pass or you wouldn't be taking parts of comments and seeking to build your tawdry little case around them. This is what I said:

Obviously not. It seems clear that he didn't see it and once again given that some people argue it was the clearest red card there has ever been and others don't see any offence once again it depends on the perspective, bias, of the individual.

From that any reasonable person would conclude that my view is that he didn't see it in the way you and others do. There is a gamut of opinion on the issue and given that fact it isn't at all unreasonable for Joubert to have arrived at the decision he did. My personal view is that it was just late enough to have gone either way but there wasn't any real intention to wrap the arms in the tackle and so it should have been a penalty. Again that is a personal view which others will disagree with. The Scots need to look closer to home to why they lost. Theirs was the brain freeze.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 21, 2015 11:16 AM BST
I agree northern. Having given a view on the direction of travel of the game I can't exclude the referee from criticism for what happened after the game. We don't why he ran off the pitch and as far as I know there hasn't been an explanation from Joubert. There are several possible explanations but without clarification it looks poor.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 21, 2015 11:35 AM BST
I rarely allow others to speak for me but this comment on social media is one I feel people should pay heed to:



As a Scot living in Aus I was gutted by the loss. As the pain subsides I am absolutely appalled by the coverage of this issue in the UK media and the reaction of some ex players (Dawson et al) not to mention the way in which the administration hung Joubert out to dry.

This is rugby and the referee is sacrosanct. Rugby is also one of the most complicated sports requiring the referee to make hundreds of split second decisions per game - many of which are probably not 'right'. We could go back and dissect every minute of play and come up with multiple examples of why a decision was made or not made.

All the analysis of this penalty is in hindsight with access to multiple replays of which Joubert had no such luxury. If we applied this same analysis to the Samoa game there were several decisions that went our way that arguably cost them the game.

Rugby is better than this and it's about time we all stopped complaining and realise that decisions go both ways. Protect the ref otherwise it will become a farce like football and no true rugby fan would ever want that.
Report Knutter October 21, 2015 11:52 AM BST
Can only hope changes are put in place for match deciding decisions late in the game to be called correctly. They protected Barnes after '07 and he is no better a referee now, Joubert will hopefully come out a better referee after this but he doesn't exactly have the best record for keeping it together in tight, high-pressure matches when it comes down to the crunch..
Report northanlite October 21, 2015 11:53 AM BST
i think using words like "sacrosanct" is seriously pushing the envelope but that joubert has been treated in a shabby manner by world rugby seems to be the consensus even in Scotland.
of course you can question the competence of referees, Joubert has form and his handling of the 2011 final was way worse as an overall performance than his latest effort imo.

As for Mr Cheika it seems like he employs traditional Aussie double standards about accepting the refs decisions.
I don't think anyone in the Scotland camp went so far as to call the refs decision "pretty crooked" and Vern Cotter hasn't really commented at all.

The Waratahs coach compared Walsh's decision to umpire Aleem Dar's mistake in the first Ashes test on Friday when the Pakistani turned down Australia's appeal for a catch against England's Stuart Broad despite the batsman clearly getting an edge.

"Everyone saw it. I don't know if it was Aleem Dar proportions, but it was pretty crooked," Cheika told Reuters after the Waratahs lost 14-12 to their traditional rivals.

"He had a second look as well. It was interesting listening to the third umpire, the TMO. He was saying: 'Do you want me to comment, Steve?'

"And he said: 'No, no, no. I'll have another look.' So he didn't want him to comment obviously.

"But I think everyone saw he put his arms around him. I don't know whether they should have had a kiss or not while they were in there."

Cheika has blamed the match officials for softening up the game of rugby union.

"It's a shame because hardness is going out of the game," he added.

"There's nothing illegal about it. It's a good, hard tackle and that's what we try to get guys to do at training.

"Then in a game, as soon as someone puts in a good shot on, everyone panics. Like, 'give him the sin bin'.

"I don't know, touch footy next year maybe."
Report nugget October 21, 2015 11:24 PM BST
Scotland caught a lucky break to even get into the quarter finals.  They were awarded a try late in the game against Samoa which should of been disallowed due to a knock on.  Apparently the ref didn't see it and somehow the tmo didn't interject either.  It was obvious watching it live and much clearer than the try Australia had disallowed against Scotland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/rugby-world-cup/front-row/11945014/Scotland-fall-victim-to-Rugby-World-Cup-karma-after-earlier-slice-of-luck.html
Report northanlite October 22, 2015 1:33 AM BST
god this has been gone over plenty times but i'm bored so.......................
watch that again in slow mo on your tv and get back on that one.
i guarantee it won't be so "obvious" and if you are honest you may even change your mind.

keep a close eye on the boot of blue 8, if you are able to go super slow mo or freeze frame you will see as blue 9 bends to pick it up the boot of blue 8, with a nice clear view between the 9's legs, knocking the ball to the side (with the ref indicating a Scotland penalty btw)

if you still think blue 9 touched it keep an equally close eye on the 5 metre line, does the ball even go forward? it is by blue 8's feet just beyond the 5m line but when Laidlaw picks it up it is bang on the 5m line so if anything it goes back a bit and, just to be clear, off Denton's boot. It's not even a f***ing debate if you can be bothered watching it again rather than just take some lazy journalists word for it.
based on previous posts I'm sure you won't let the facts get in the way though.

and anyway Scotland were 3pts up with the penalty advantage 5m out so even in your knock on fantasy land they would still have been in a very strong position.
Report nugget October 22, 2015 2:57 AM BST
You've been wrong numerous times in this thread and no surprise your wrong again here.  Blinded by rage.
Report nugget October 22, 2015 3:03 AM BST
Scotland also caught another break in the scoring of their second try off the charge down from an Australian scrum.  The scrum should of been a penalty for offside not a scrum for accidental offside.
Report nugget October 22, 2015 3:27 AM BST
northanlite • October 22, 2015 1:33 AM BST
and anyway Scotland were 3pts up with the penalty advantage 5m out so even in your knock on fantasy land they would still have been in a very strong position.



Strong position?  Even after that try with 5min to go, Samoa managed to score and convert to make it a 3 point game.  So pretty lucky they were awarded the try, instead of taking the 3 points with penalty advantage they had as a six point lead probably wouldn't have been enough.  As it were they held on by the skin of their teeth as the clock beat Samoa.
Report nugget October 22, 2015 3:44 AM BST
It looks to me Laidlaw has his hand on the ball when it is knocked out of his hands by his own player, obvious enough incident to have a second look via the tmo imo.  No doubt the tmo would of had a much better camera angle to consult and would of come up with the correct call. 

Why did World Rugby officials make the unprecedented move of releasing a statement saying how Joubert got the decision wrong, so quickly after the match?  Whether they believed it or not I'm guessing it was an attempt in some part to satisfy people like yourself.
Report northanlite October 22, 2015 8:48 AM BST
why would i have been "blinded by rage???" Scotland won!
i have to admit in that little box & speeded up it does look dubious. However on a proper tv it does not.
why on earth are they showing speeded up footage anyway?

it's obvious you have only watched that brief little clip in the box otherwise you would have realised by now and also noticed the Samoa scrum falling apart like one of your arguments. Another pen 5m was a very strong position given the time left and based on the way the Scots had played previous pens and the advantage they would most likely have opted for another scrum not a kick at goal but we will never know because it was a try.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 6:18 AM BST
Still scratching my head over World Rugby saying Joubert's call was wrong. They should stand behind the ref right or wrong not. Refs make loads of mistakes every game. It's part of the game. Every player and supporter always feels aggrieved by the ref's calls. As I said earlier when you watch the controversial decision in real time it looks a straightforward penalty every time. Can we expect World Rugby to point out referee errors in every match from now on?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 6:20 AM BST
I've got no problem with supporters moaning about it that's their right. But World Rugby should never have done that to Joubert nor any other referee.
Report curious-cat October 24, 2015 6:50 AM BST
I think calls were made ( incorrectly imo ) for Joubert to be sent home .. perhaps because of the way he ran off the pitch when it is customary for the captains to shake hands with the officials.

He was probably unsighted when the ball touched an Australian .... perhaps World Rugby needed to check if the TMO had advised that Joubert needed to check whether the ball had touched an Australian ........ advice that had been freely given by TMOs throughout the 2015 RWC concerning things that didn't concern tries or foul play.
Report northanlite October 24, 2015 7:24 AM BST
My latest home spun theory after watching the bitter end a few times that is slightly "Joubert kind" and based on the look on his face when he is looking at the big screen replay is that he may have been genuinely upset. There is a good shot of it in the coverage and you can kind of see the colour drain from his face as he looks up at the screen and maybe realises his mistake while also realising he can't do anything about it now.
Pure idle speculation and he still has questions to answer about his conduct imo but world rugby's statement afterwards beggars belief and doesn't half pile the pressure on today's refs.
Anyway it was pretty raw at the time but it's gone now. I might struggle to watch tomorrows game (here is what you could have won Scotland Plain) but really looking forward to the one today, should be fascinating.
And good luck to Messrs Garces & Barnes, if things go wrong your on your own.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 7:38 AM BST
Agree.

He makes a potentially game changing decision a few minutes earlier when he ruled Aust knocked on from the kick off. Polota Nau was off may well have turned into points. If you put every decision of any referee under the microscope there'd be all kinds of opinions on whether they're right or wrong.
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 7:42 AM BST
Taking nothing away from Scotland,they were brilliant.
But Foley did miss 9 or 12 points from the boot
They had 1 intercept Try.
Wallabies were asleep for another gifted Try
And Wallabies had a disallowed Try.
I'd back the Wallabies -14 if they were playing Scotland again tomorrow.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 8:14 AM BST
Not many people before the WC would have picked Wales and Scotland to be the best performed NH sides.
Report curious-cat October 24, 2015 8:15 AM BST
northanlite

There is a good shot of it in the coverage and you can kind of see the colour drain from his face as he looks up at the screen and maybe realises his mistake while also realising he can't do anything about it now.


What is to stop him changing his decision ?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 8:15 AM BST
The rules!!
Report northanlite October 24, 2015 8:18 AM BST
do intercept try's not count stewards while Aussie tries from Scotland errors are brilliant rugby?  what disallowed try? you can't mean the one that was disallowed because it wasn't a try due to a knock on cos that would not make sense so must be one i missed somehow.

How come from the blown line out is Scotland's awful error and they can't handle the pressure but for that try it was lucky Scotland being gifted the points? No word of them putting the Aussies under pressure & no praise for Bennett's quick thinking in realising they had a front rower on the ball so no way was he kicking and anticipating the pass. i dare say the other way around it would be brilliant opportunism from Australia.
Read a lot of this skewed logic this week and frankly it has p1ssed people off more than bad refereeing.
Report northanlite October 24, 2015 8:20 AM BST

Oct 24, 2015 -- 2:15AM, curious-cat wrote:


northanliteThere is a good shot of it in the coverage and you can kind of see the colour drain from his face as he looks up at the screen and maybe realises his mistake while also realising he can't do anything about it now.What is to stop him changing his decision ?


wasn't allowed to use video evidence apparently.

Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 8:25 AM BST
I'd love to see a ref look up at the screen while the kicker is lining up his shot and then start waving his arms and shouting,'STOP! There's been a terrible mistake. I got it all wrong I'm so sorry.'!!!!
Report TheVis October 24, 2015 8:32 AM BST
Well they do it now for tries, so wouldn't take much a of a rule chance to review all pens in say last 5 mins of game.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 8:41 AM BST
Don't even think it! 5 minutes will turn into the whole game in the blink of an eye and the games will go for 3 hours. Plus the TMO gets it wrong as often as the ref despite having the luxury of endless replays. One of the things I love about watching club rugby is there's just one ref.
Report northanlite October 24, 2015 8:50 AM BST
for all that has been said about joubert he wasn't a patch on Glenn Jackson's effort at Murrayfield against Wales earlier this year.
That really was major incompetence.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 9:12 AM BST
What happened?
Report curious-cat October 24, 2015 9:21 AM BST
The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE



  24 Oct 15 08:15 
 
The rules!!


nothing in the rules to stop a ref changing a decision ..... happens all the time Laugh
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 9:26 AM BST
Northanlite,obviously intercept Trys count,and fair play to Scotland(I'm really not trying to take anything away from them)
But if you'd like to offer me Wallabies -1 the next time the 2 teams meet I'd be more than happy to have a wager if you believe there is nothing between the 2 teams(or infact you are better if you take Joubert out of the equation)
Your call ?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 9:26 AM BST
Define 'all the time'!!
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 9:32 AM BST
I like you Northanlite,and you are very very knowledgeable about your rugby(on Par with Vis) but you are running the risk of becoming bitter and blinkered like The Baptist.
Result is in,game is over.It won't change.Need to move on now.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 9:33 AM BST
I don't think he sounds bitter.
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 9:44 AM BST
Like the Bitter,He's not Murphys.
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 9:47 AM BST
To be fair I know he loves his rugby and Scotland,so I do see where he's coming from.
But when The Baptist does it We all jump on him.
We just need to move on.Nobody can change the result now.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 9:51 AM BST
You can't compare him to Baptist.
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 9:59 AM BST
I just did.
Report northanlite October 24, 2015 10:03 AM BST
Shocked that hurts Silly
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 10:04 AM BST
I remember when Mike Phillips did us using the wrong ball in the 6 Nations.Was I upset.....Hell yeah.Did I moan........Hell Yeah.Was I angry.........Hell yeah.Was I still moaning nearly a week later......Hell No.
We all have decisions go against us.It happens(I'll probably be moaning about something this afternoon,but this time next week ? I won't be)
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 10:07 AM BST
Northanlite,I did say I think you are a good lad,and good for the Rugby forum,So I really don't want this to turn into anything nasty.I've just given my opinion rightly or wrongly.
Report northanlite October 24, 2015 10:16 AM BST
ok you think i sound bitter but i thought you were being unfair. "australia were asleep" rather than Horne spotted them not defending the back of the ruck. Foley missed kicks like that skill isn't part of the game (several were very tricky from the touch line and Laidlaw missed a couple too) and a try was "disallowed" as though it should have been given despite the knock on. an intercept try is somehow less meaningful, Scotland score quite a few and regular pro 12 watchers will not be surprised that it is normally Glasgow players scoring them as they work hard on reading the pass and score plenty of intercepts.
i just don't see the logic.
and yes if we play australia 10 times we will do well to win one and get that close in another but when did i say different?
Report Ozymandius October 24, 2015 10:23 AM BST
North hasn't been even slightly bitter on this issue imo, he has been rather fair and balanced.

In real time, I immediately shouted penalty, for what its worth.
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 10:25 AM BST
I'm not taking anything away from Scotland.I feel you think I'm blaming Scotland.
How many kicks did Foley miss against England ?
How many kicjs will Foley miss tomorrow....1 at most Wink)
I could go on,but We'll never agree on this (I suppose that's what forums are for)
But I just feel this is dragging on and on and on.
But I'm just a poster like the rest of us,so wrong of me to call when things should end.I won't add anymore now.
You boys crack on about a game that has been and gone.
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 10:28 AM BST
Good to have you back Ozy.
Hope you had a nice holiday Silly
Report northanlite October 24, 2015 10:35 AM BST
stewards the point that was initially made today was about the unfair the treatment of Joubert by World rugby for the final penalty call.
it was you who started going over other incidents in the game
Report Ozymandius October 24, 2015 10:37 AM BST
Feel a bit meh about this weekend.

Yes its the 4 best teams in the RWC, yes its the RWC, I just hope I will be a bit more excited come kick off time.  Feels like a glorified 4 Nations  (or whatever it's called) and I don't always bother tuning in for that.  Sorry for being so parochial.

The casual rugby viewers appear to have completely lost interest...at least in this half of the world.

Let us gladden our hearts by perusing the 6 Nations Fixtures;

Round 1

Saturday 6th February – France v Italy (2.25pm GMT unless stated)
Saturday 6th February – Scotland v England (4.50pm)
Sunday 7th February – Ireland v Wales (3pm)

Round 2

Saturday 13th February – France v Ireland (2.25pm)
Saturday 13th February – Wales v Scotland (4.50pm)
Sunday 14th February – Italy v England (2pm)

Round 3

Friday 26th February – Wales v France (8.05pm)
Saturday 27th February – Italy v Scotland (2.25pm)
Saturday 27th February – England v Ireland (4.50pm)

Round 4

Saturday 12th March  – Ireland v Italy (1.30pm)
Saturday 12th March – England v Wales (4pm)
Sunday 13th March – Scotland v France (3pm)

Round 5

Saturday 19th March – Wales v Italy (2.30pm)
Saturday 19th March – Ireland v Scotland (5pm)
Saturday 19th March – France v England (8pm)

A proper tournament imo.
Report northanlite October 24, 2015 10:45 AM BST
19th March 5pm, Grand slam decider CoolSillyCool
Report Ozymandius October 24, 2015 10:47 AM BST
Yeah, its funny how fixtures fall like that.  Then the wooden spoon play off at 8!
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 10:47 AM BST
You are most likely correct Northanlite.I apologise if correct ,and I'll butt out.
Italy going go another 6 nations without winning a game again then.
At a quick glance over those fixtures you'd have to fancy England if they get a new Boss in the chair.
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 10:54 AM BST
I'll take 10/11 on Italy for Wooden spoon if your offering Ozy Love
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 11:44 AM BST
Six Nations = Play Off for Fifth!!!
Report khyber kim October 24, 2015 12:06 PM BST
Without wanting to upset the Scots,and at the risk of having egg on my face, that fixture list looks loaded to give England a good chance of a Grand Slam.
Report TheVis October 24, 2015 12:30 PM BST
I see the IRB rankings finally got Wales and Ire out of the top 4 this week, though they are a self fulfilling table at RWC time given how wins count double at this event.
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 12:48 PM BST
I just hope England work their way up the rankings,Purely to stop people moaning about the groups.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 12:49 PM BST
How was Wales ever in the top 2 anyway? The rankings are all bollocks they should get rid of it. Rankings bullsh1t is beneath Rugby.
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 1:24 PM BST
How do you do groups if you don't have rankings ? Out of a hat ?
Report sewter lives again October 24, 2015 1:31 PM BST
so you guys have Scotland and Ireland as jt favs for the 6N?

What price the rags England and France?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 1:39 PM BST
Please sewter can you please call the 6N by it's new and fully deserved name from now on?

The Play Off For Fifth.

The 'Fifth' will do.
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 1:51 PM BST
No.We made England Favs after a quick glance at the fixtures.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 24, 2015 2:10 PM BST
I think what you said is fair stewards. If Scotland were worthy winners of the 1/4 final then surely they would be favs against Aust in a match next weekend. Clearly that's not the case.
Report stewardsenquirey October 24, 2015 2:26 PM BST
No offence to anyone from Scotland,but I don't think I ever see them go off as favs against Australia in my lifetime.
Report northanlite October 22, 2018 6:50 PM BST
funny reading these old threads back. Scotland have done rather well v Aussies lately. i think we have finally calmed down up here about this match.
still can't beat those bloody Kiwi's thoughAngry
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