Reform announce policy to scrap PIP

Where are you Kemi, where are you?

Reform is set to publish a 50-page paper tomorrow called Making Welfare Work.

Don't underestimate Kemi, or her ability to reel former Tory voters back in.

This will force the Tories to introduce similar policies.

Certainly interesting as the wets in the Tories will have a breaking point.

Most of the party are wets, that's the problem. If they get back in it's more of the same.
As you say, let's hope she can't control them all.

A total of 9,627 people receive the Personal Independence Payment (PIP) in the Clacton parliamentary constituency.
This accounts for approximately 18% of the working-age population in the area, representing roughly two out of every 11 working-age residents.
Key Details Number of Claimants: 9,627 residents Percentage of Working-Age Population: 18% (more than double the national average)Local Context: Clacton holds the highest proportion of PIP claimants of any constituency in Essex and ranks among the highest rates nationwide.

Let's hope they stop motability also.

Do you think this new policy will last longer than their only other published policy to give tax breaks to crypto guys?
I think that policy had to be deleted in a hurry when all those questions came up about people giving him millions.


With the numbers of people on PiP roughly quadrupling in the last 7 years of tory government, it is clear there is something massively wrong and something needs to be done about it.


The constituency he is MP for contains a considerably higher percentage of people on PIP than the national average, it's great that they have voted for this.

Aug 16, 2026 -- 12:17PM, yak hunt wrote:

A total of 9,627 people receive the Personal Independence Payment (PIP) in the Clacton parliamentary constituency. This accounts for approximately 18% of the working-age population in the area, representing roughly two out of every 11 working-age residents.Key Details Number of Claimants: 9,627 residents Percentage of Working-Age Population: 18% (more than double the national average)Local Context: Clacton holds the highest proportion of PIP claimants of any constituency in Essex and ranks among the highest rates nationwide.

Remind us how many votes went to fatface ?

reddit are apoplectic

almost as angry as nobby was at Farage not attending the count announcement. but not quite.

Is reddit a lefty platform?

extreme left wing.

it provides plenty of entertainment :)

i might have to create an account

“After years of waiting”

That's right. Most people in the real world know at least one person in your second category.

This will be a policy that the legacy media and bbc will be apoplectic about as well as reddit. And will be a vote winner.

Only formed 2 years ago.

They did have a policy of stopping the boats with the Brazilian ship HMS Ocean.

The current government won a landslide with no policies. It's clearly the way to go !

Like the recent kerfuffle over match of the day man urging higher tax on millionaires like himself, and the
numerous cries of "You can give more to the IRS if you want, you're just virtue signalling".

Do you think the lefties will start a similar kerfuffle with numerous cries, saying to the people of clacton, "You can give up your PiP, you're just Virtue Singalling"?

Bods in wheelchairs on Dinghys .. say no more

yup, in the same way as anyone filthy rich asking if they can pay more tax, should just pay more tax

Motability has come along way since the little Blue 3 wheelers

Fella I know has a 30 k Motor , I have no Idea how or why he qualifies

Next No balls Nige will scrap charity status from leaper colonies forcing them to charge VAT

Aug 16, 2026 -- 1:45PM, the old nanny ;-) wrote:

Motability has come along way since the little Blue 3 wheelers Fella I know has a 30 k Motor , I have no Idea how or why he qualifies

If they've got a kid, the scam is dla

And people are opposed to the triple Lock , Comical TBH

a reddit special

I first sent off my Fit note 26.01.26, and continually sent them since then. Filled in and sent evidence for the UC50 form by 28.04.26.

How long is the usual heath assessment.

My condition isn't going to improve and I'm employed as a homeworker (16 hours with various adjustments) by HMRC. My income after I pay pension is under the threshold.

My fit notes are 6 monthly. I will contact them on Monday but expect to be told the same. I get both high rate elements of PIP. Plus, I've given shiiit loads of evidence, but sods law, it'll take forever.

I'm assuming they'll be doing checks then in the background (like my psychiatrist etc)

Personal Independence Payment (PIP) was introduced in the UK in April 2013.

It's a Tory policy.

In fact the entire welfare system as it stands was designed by the Tories under the Welfare Reform Act 2012 and the Welfare Reform and Work Act 2016

he's starting to get it?

who changed it to include 'mental health' ?

Accusing the lefties of creating a tory built product is full on "put on a clown costume and slap yourself with rubber chicken" silly

lol

plenty of people are being triggered. apparently it will cost reform votes, so they should be ecstatic

perhaps labour will run on a ticket of even more benefits for the feckless :)

The more sensible take is that those who are genuinely claiming should not be fearful as they will still be looked after.

The conmen, shysters and layabouts will not.

Undoubtedly Reform may lose the votes of those who will fall foul of this policy, but equally they may gain plenty of votes from taxpayers who are fed up of funding the feckless whilst they graft away.

perhaps labour will run on a ticket of even more benefits for the feckless :)

Well, they've been in government 2 years?


Have they given more benefits to the feckless?

I know they put up minimum wage, but you could hardly call that giving more benefits to the feckless unless you were a billionaire.


Have they given more money to the feckless as your nightmares keep telling you they will?

Changes from April 2026

Increasing the Universal Credit standard allowance above inflation over the four financial years from 2026/27. By 2029/30, the UC standard allowance will be 4.8% higher than it would have been under the normal practice of increasing the standard allowance in line with Consumer Prices Index (CPI) inflation over the period.

In a word, obviously.

28 July 2026

Some parents on benefits will be given up to £4,500 a year to encourage their children to start apprenticeships, the government has said.

Under plans to encourage young people into work, families will be offered a bursary to replace Universal Credit payments lost by starting jobs

The payment is expected to benefit an estimated few thousand households, who currently face losing between £17 and £330 a week if their children start apprenticeships .

Changes from April 2026

From April 2026, the government removed the two-child limit. Families claiming Universal Credit can now receive the Child Element for every child, not just the first two. This change applies across England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

28 July 2026

Some parents on benefits will be given up to £4,500 a year Laugh to encourage their children to start apprenticeships, the government has said.

Under plans to encourage young people into work, families will be offered a bursary to replace Universal Credit payments lost by starting jobs Laugh

The payment is expected to benefit an estimated few thousand households, who currently face losing between £17 and £330 a week if their children start apprenticeships Laugh .

So the government are topping up an aprentice wages, subsidising a company so it gets a really cheap employee.

Aprentice gets and education leading to a lifetime of better paid work, pays more taxes, government recoups cost.



The people who read the telegraph call this an investment, the people who read the express call the aprentices feckless.


I dunno Cider, it's a chancey bet, may work, may not.
Doesn't seem like you've chosen a prime example of labour giving money to the feckless to me, but I don't read the express.

So let's get the facts straight, a 65 yr old man, still two years short of retirement, wheelchair bound, finds life pretty hard, gets his PIP which at least helps some. When regorm get in they will happily take their PIP away. Do they have any idea of the suicides this will cause? But that's ok I suppose, more money for their rich pals.

Escapee16 Aug 26 15:30Joined: 27 Aug 04 |

Have they given more money to the feckless as your nightmares keep telling you they will?



In October 2024 the number of UC claimants was 7.2m.  By October 2025 this had risen to 8.3m (partly due to those on legacy benefits moving to UC)

The proportion of those with "no work requirements" was 49 per cent and rising

Labour are after the redistribution of wealth, from those who work for a living, to those who don't, marvellous.

Escapee. All they have to do is say to these wasters, if you don't accept the apprenticeship you won't get any money from taxpayers.

What kind of system needs to pay families a £4.5K bung to encourage their kids to do some work.

And if you think they won't skip the apprenticeship once the cash has been paid out, you really do need your bumps felt.

And if you think they won't skip the apprenticeship once the cash has been paid out, you really do need your bumps felt.

Like wise, companies will abuse the scheme and have a rolling supply of very cheap labour, and also abuse it by setting up schemes where the apprentice has very little uplift prospects and the end of it.

Abusers will abuse.


On the flipside, someone like me, back in the day decided I should try a career instead of a job, got myself on the Employment Training scheme which bestowed an extra tenner on myself for 12 weeks on part time course.
I never looked back, ran with it, never been on the dole since and have paid a couple of £million more in tax than likely would have without that E.T. "extra tenner" scheme.


The feckless will never lift themselves up even if you offer them a hand, but not everybody is feckless so do you stop offering them a hand up also?

If people aren't motivated by their upbringing, or wanting to improve themselves and pride, the need to be motivated by needing to eat and have smartphones etc.

The system that the establishment have deliberately created is people can opt out of working completely, and enjoy a very comfortable lifestyle. More comfortable than the people funding it.

A total of 9,627 people receive the Personal Independence Payment (PIP) in the Clacton parliamentary constituency.
This accounts for approximately 18% of the working-age population in the area, representing roughly two out of every 11 working-age residents.
Key Details Number of Claimants: 9,627 residents Percentage of Working-Age Population: 18% (more than double the national average)Local Context: Clacton holds the highest proportion of PIP claimants of any constituency in Essex and ranks among the highest rates nationwide.


Yeah, one lady on news said she was voting for refuk in Clacton, because it took so long to get her pip claim sorted...

If you are an existing claimant it won't effect you, it only applies to new claimants is how I read it.

Just watching Jenrick give the press conference.

Most of it is vote winning stuff about the feckless, but there was a brief bit about help for businesses, and there
was a line about removing Labour's blocks on companies employing foreign workers.

No details, but it sure sounded like reform wanted to increase immigration to benefit bussiness!?




Farage no where to be seen at the press conference, has he talked to the press since his huge win against a dustbin?


How long will he stay in hiding in fear of press questions?

Got to admire the chutzpah of someone completely ignoring the prime minister avoiding questions for months, moaning about a 'missing' MP for a party that has no power, not even the offician opposition

He only has to look inside his head tbf

you just make stuff up to deflect.


Anyway, I'm not partisan, so of course I was all over starmer avoiding questions for months and his
increasingly unbelieveable claims of ignorance.

You'll find plenty of my post's calling out starmer as I call out any polititian who deserves calling out for their actions in this thread


https://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/31900195/will-epstein-bring-down-starmer-markets

I'm non partisan, I get to call out ALL politicians, many on here are cultists and instead of calling out all dubious politicians, they have to cringe and squirm and defend pdfiles and crypto spivs.


so I say again:

Farage no where to be seen at the press conference, has he talked to the press since his huge win against a dustbin?


How long will he stay in hiding in fear of press questions?

I forgive you for not noticing, Andy Burnham is the prime minister.

Escapee seems to have forgotten that our latest wondrous leader disappeared on his "well deserved holidays" just 2 weeks in to his tenure

But he is most definitely non partisan........

I forgive you for not noticing, Andy Burnham is the prime minister.

How can Andy Burnham be " the prime minister avoiding questions for months " if he's only been Prime minister for a Month?






But I guess as a cultist, this is your destiny, to squirm and scweam, to deflect and defend on behalf of any polititian from the same cult, no matter what they do that should be called out.

Good luck with that, silly way to lead a life imho, but hey ho.

The plan is to protect him until late September. Let me know if he takes unscripted live questions from people who might challenge him before the middle of September.

I expect him to get a free pass until the labour conference. where he will be welcomed as if he has won an election.

Escapee17 Aug 26 12:24Joined: 27 Aug 04 | Topic/replies: 10,946 | Blogger: Escapee's blog

Good luck with that, silly way to lead a life imho, but hey ho.


Another absolute zinger from someone who spends half his time posting unhinged carp on an anonymous forum himself.

But he's non partisan dontcha know.  No doubt "mother" told him so, eh Norman ?

Jenrick says it isn't fair on the British taxpayer as one sixth claiming are not British,is it fair on non British tax payers if they are exempt from claiming, matter of fact should non British tax payers be taxed at all under Jenricks own argument?

Irish can and do claim, for a start. There are plenty more.

It's there for all to see

If you’re not a British citizen
You must:

normally live in or show that you intend to settle in the UK, Ireland, the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands
not be subject to immigration control (unless you’re a sponsored immigrant)
If you’re from the EU, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland or Liechtenstein, you and your family usually also need settled or pre-settled status under the EU Settlement Scheme to get PIP. The deadline to apply to the scheme was 30 June 2021 for most people, but you might still be able to apply. Check if you can still apply to the EU Settlement Scheme.

You might still be able to get PIP if you’re a refugee or have humanitarian protection status.

If they are ineligible for UC/PIP surely a tax paying migrant shouldn't be taxed to reflect their non qualifying position for these or at least taxed at a much reduced rate?

It might surprise you to hear that most people working full time are not on PIP. For now.

I was talking about Jenricks claims this morning in the news re UC.

Do you need to pay US taxes?
All US citizens and permanent residents (green card holders) must pay US taxes and file a US tax return whether they live in the US or not. In general, the controlling principle is that US tax resident aliens are taxed like US citizens.

If they aren't eligible for UC/PIP despite paying tax surely they shouldn't be paying tax or at least on a much reduced rate?

It is pretty normal as far as I am aware, for people living in other countries via work permits pay the local income taxes. Not something I have investigated. I would be willing to bet, British nationals wouldn't get the equivalent of UC or PIP in the US. Doubtful if the US has the equivalent of PIP or UC for anyone.

I think it would be REALLY weird personally, to go to another country and expect to get handouts, and/or pay less tax than my colleagues.

It would be REALLY REALLY weird, if I went there illegally.

It seems as if Jenrick is saying to me(source BBC Reform benefit ban for foreign nationals) would put someone who has worked and paid tax for 40 years unable to claim UC because they are 'foreign'

Am i correct on my take of that piece and do you think it is morally right?

No idea I don't look at the bbc.

After 40 years here, why are they still 'foreign' ?

Jenrick Says Long Term Benfitters who are fit

Will need to work 20 hours a week for their Community 

Welfare to Work Scheme

A completely sensible idea is that Nanny.

A few years back i had to visit the job centre for a time when waiting for a new contract to start, and i suggested pretty much the same to the bod behind the desk.

Why don't you make people who have been signing on for ages do some community work ? answer given was, ooh we can't do that it would be against their human rights

All a bit pointless anyway, it'll be tory or labour in charge in 2029.

Sounds pretty unfair if I’m picking this up correctly and probably contrary to targeting scrongers
A. Somebody who does minimal work ever but is entitled to benefits if no job. If he is English
B. A foreign national who has worked hard for 10 years paid tax and other contributions unfortunately loses his job, gets nothing.
That seems unfair and pretty bizarre.
Hopefully I have picked that up wrong.

Why is a foreign national a foreign national after 10 years? Either your going to stay in Britain or only in Britain to work. If staying, become British. If only here for work, get a job, or return home.

I struggle with the logic of someone who wants to live in a country that they don't call their home.

Pick a side, basically. There are millions of people in Britain who don't consider themselves British, or even hate it. Sure, those people can still gain citizenship, but at least they will have made an effort.

So you would want Hans from Germany to become British?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, I just find that policy strange.
I certainly wouldn’t give them money if they hadn’t worked but if they had worked for ten years, gets nothing but a scrounger who flys a Union Jack gets everything, I find that weird but as I say everybody is entitled to their opinion.

747000 EU citizens on UC.
30000 British enjoying reciprocal benefits.

A tad imbalanced methinks

Yes, obviously lapsy. Nobody is saying that they need to. They can return to Germany if they want to be German.

Oh, so Sid on the'Sol'would have to become Pedro? 

It cannot be done unless you break what you agreed to in Brexit.

It's a choice for the individual isn't it. Do you want to be Spanish or British. If you're British and can't find work in Spain, go back to Britain or become Spanish.

To repeat, I can't work out the logic of living in a country that you don't feel is your home, if you're not earning a good age working. I would have thought people living in a different country are doing so as they can't get that work in their home country, or the new country is now their home.

I suppose there are a lot of British trying to become Irish to be fair going by the huge rise in passport applications.

The CTA is something else that needs to be ditched.

Ah shure ye don't queue up for hours going through passport controls unlike everywhere else you go.

No different to Canadians or Australians or Kiwis or Chinese or Americans, and plenty of others.

Cider you appear to want England to be a very insular country, I can assure you that will put their economy in deep deep trouble, worse than they have ever seen, so good luck with that.

Some well managed borders would be nice.