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29 May 26
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Did someone not like proper racism being pointed out?
Was it not helpful for 'community cohesion'?
Was it not helpful for 'community cohesion'?
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Hard to fathom isn't it. I remember the outrage on here
when George Floyd was killed while being arrested. This lad was a victim, not a criminal, and his killer was engaging with arresting officers while they cuffed him. |
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The forums anti-racism crusaders don't seem particularly interested when a person dies and racism was a clear issue in that death.
They only seem interested in racism when it can be shoe horned in as an issue when the person dying has reached a certain threshold of melanin. |
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Very sad in many ways,poor fella.
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Either that or they are to scared to confront the fact that they recognise themselves in the actions of the police officers.
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I expect that's probably the case, shrewd. Surely
anyone would do what the Police did. |
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the natural end point for CRT indoctrination.
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It's called conditioning, salmon. Possibly why you would insert the 'inverted' qualifier.
I don't know, but I'm guessing Floyd is being used to expose the hypocrisy. People aren't stupid and know if this incident had been 'inverted', Starmer would be holding a presser about it. Similar to the Manchester airport thugs, compare the original reaction of that, to this. Which only surfaced because some good soul leaked the proper footage to the media (the police weren't going to release it, even though it exonerated them in the public eye!) |
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Don't know where I've been but somehow missed this. Truly awful but sadly, not in the least surprising. Should beggar belief.
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I realised how deeply ingrained this warped thinking was when Jack Merritt's dad blamed the conservatives and Johnson for his son being slaughtered by an islamist terrorist. Yes, that actually happened.
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I did think about whether to use the word "inverted " Cider. If I was 30 years younger I probably wouldn't. If It's conditioning it's because I was a teenager in the 60s when the racists were definitely white politicians like Webster,Tindall and Jordan,who admittedly were fringe figures,but also Tories such as Powell and Griffiths ( the latter long forgotten but Smethwick was notorious at the time ).
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Racism is racism. Possibly you have been conditioned to think it's only white people so need a caveat when a white person is the victim.
To be fair, I'm not really having a pop at you, but we should not succumb to their 'inverted' language demands. Like the working class are now working people. Because somebody decided. Coloured person is outdated but person of colour is in vogue. They are no longer illegal immigrants but asylum seekers. Language is very important and we should only use the language we want to, not conditioned into. imho. |
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Oh yes, my pet hate. Inflation is now the cost of living crisis. F F S
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I would largely agree Cider.
The phrase inverted racism does go back a long way though. Certainly the 80s probably the 70s,which was a time when you could still just about use the "N" word and definitely the "P" word. I'm sure I was still using the latter myself then. I finally gave up on all the linguistic stuff when I was on the local Executive Committee of a national union and we seemed to spend most of the time debating whether "brown" people should or should not be classed as "black" |
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I remember having to go to racism awareness training more than 30 years ago now and have to listen to a black person who had no other role but to be working in race relations, tell me that black people couldn’t ever be racist. It was solely a white person colonising issue. I didn’t believe it then and had enough examples seen with my own eyes, to qualify my own opinion. I’ve seen enough since not to change that view.
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That was very much the view,certainly in the public sector,well before the 90s. It may well still be,luckily I am not in a position to know. I can see where the idea started but some of its proponents didn't understand the nuances and it became a sort of brainwashing.
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Yes, salmon, was certainly the 80s. There was an Orwellian 1984 aspect to it as well. The public sector, and the aligned, what is now referred to as the NGO sector. Don't think it really hit the private sector until around the millennium and only then that was patchy. The middle class white employees had no problems attending, those from a working class background took the completely opposite view. They'd had a good few examples of diversity already experienced in their lives by then.
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salmon spray 29 May 26 11:13
I did think about whether to use the word "inverted " Cider. If I was 30 years younger I probably wouldn't. If It's conditioning it's because I was a teenager in the 60s when the racists were definitely white ............................... Of course they were white, the country was 99% white. You live in Sheffield, look around now. |
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Sheffield,Cornwall obviously.
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Sorry, I thought you were in Sheffield, did you flee?
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Sorry I was joking. There IS a hamlet called Sheffield near Lands End.
I do live in S Yorks and it is a multicultural area. White ( mainly middle-class ) and yes Muslim ( rather orthodox shall we say judging by the clothing the men wear ). The Muslim population appears to be older than the white people on the whole. I must admit I don't think the communities mix much but on the other hand I have been here nearly 16 years and never known any trouble. Plus the Muslim community have re-vitalised the nearby A road which was pretty rundown 30 years or so ago.Most of the small businesses are theirs. It's probably not ideal,as there does seem to be an invisible geographical wall between the two communities,but it's certainly not a war-zone. |
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Men who inhaled laughing gas as they went over 130mph in 30mph zone jailed for fatal crash
The pair were unwittingly recorded in the moments after the crash by an automated feature on the driver's Apple Watch - which called 999 then captured them discussing fleeing the scene in an Uber. Two men have been jailed for causing a fatal crash after driving at up to 139mph in a 30mph zone as they inhaled laughing gas. Uways Hussain, 20, of Marley Road, Manchester, was jailed for 11 years and eight months after admitting causing death by dangerous driving and other offences. Passenger Usmon Mahmood, 23, of Buller Road, Manchester, was sentenced to 12 years and nine months for aiding and abetting Hussain. He initially claimed he had tried to warn his friend about the way he was driving a VW Golf GTI, which belonged to Mahmood. Hussain was behind the wheel when he ran a red light and crashed into another car, killing 50-year-old Sylvester Abayomi, Manchester Crown Court heard on Friday. The collision happened at the junction of Green End Road and Kingsway in Manchester at 4.30am on 9 March. The car drove at speeds well over 100mph in 30mph zones throughout the night. Footage on their phones captured their speeding and showed the pair inhaling nitrous oxide, also known as laughing gas, from balloons. At times, Hussain had only one hand on the wheel. Greater Manchester Police said it was believed to be one of the first times nationally where a passenger has been convicted for aiding and abetting death by dangerous driving. The pair were unwittingly recorded in conversation in the moments after the crash by an automated feature on Hussain's Apple Watch. The collision prompted the device to call 999, then captured audio of them discussing fleeing in an Uber and reporting their car as stolen. |
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How do people manage to drive around a city like Manchester at over 100mph 'throughout the night'
 What we need in cities is cctv  |
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I wonder why the bodycam footage can't be released
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Too damning, I expect. The other way round and it would have been on the
six o clock news the same day. Waycism only works one way. |
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One or two familiar fellows missing from this thread i see,conspicuous by their absence i think the term is.Was it the wrong way round?
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Even ignoring the bodycam footage for the moment the fact that this went to a two and a half week trial and there is such scant information reported on the timeline of events after the stabbing is bizarre.
Supposedly there wasn't much sign of blood and it was mainly internal bleeding is given why the police never saw any stab wound but it's also reported there was a blood trail on a bin and fence indicating he was stabbed before attempting to escape. How does he go from trying to escape leaving blood over a fence and bin to looking like he was perfectly fine when the police arrive? There's also no information at what point they began treating the stabber as a suspect and when he was arrested for stabbing him His mother was convicted of removing the knife from the crime scene and taking it home. Presumably he hid the knife nearby. He can't have gone too far since it sounds like both him and Nowak were present when the police arrived. Presumably once Nowak died from stab wounds it became a murder enquiry and the scene was closed off. How was his mother able to just turn up and remove the murder weapon? |
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Bodycam footage is held because there's a police inquiry into their actions isn't it? May get released once that's been concluded I'd imagine. Though only if the family of the vctim allow it I'd have thought.
Still lots of questions for me. eg Was the killer handcuffed at the same time as the victim? ie, did the police just detain both and then look to find out who was at fault. Obviously awful that in the meantime the young lad was dying on the inside but by all accounts it's very unlikely he could have survived. Also no info about how it all started. All we know is the perp was walking home after a deliveroo shift and the victim after footy practice. Did he just lash out? What happened exactly? |
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All fair points.
Hopefully we get a truly impartial inquiry. |
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I raised the murder a couple of times on here during the trial, shrewd.
Not interesting enough to get a reply. He was stabbed in the face, difficult to miss imo, I think his family arrived and removed evidence before the police got there. The killer (or his family) didn't phone an ambulance, instead he phoned the Police to report a racist attack. An ambulance would probably have got there before the police turned up. He, and his family deserve extra years for that. |
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Bodycam was shown in court, presumably seen by reporters.
'dying on the inside' = multiple stab wounds, including the face, and already incapacitated a nice gentle bit of apologist commentary. definitely pineapple would have been as ambivalent if the cops had cuffed a brown man that was on the ground, bleeding to death, telling them he couldn't breathe |
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I heard a Sky newsreader trying to excuse his arrest as he died with 'apparently there was a little confusion when the police arrived'.
They've little interest in this kind of thing if the victim is white. |
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He died from internal bleeding didn't he. Not leaking outwards kind of thing. Not making excuses for the police. We know they're incompetent generally and their first and last motive is to cover up but simply going off what's been reported as the cause of death.
As said though, just so many questions still on this. The reporting on it has just been weird. I mean, surely we should have heard by now how the two of them came together. Seems a fairly fundamental point doesn't it. Happy to hear if someone else knows the answer to that obviously. |
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He'd clearly been stabbed, but they arrested him. Still, as you pointed out,
we don't know what instigated his brutal stabbing. We knew why George was arrested, he was drugged up and on the rob, but no bother with waycist card wavers letting rip on that one. |
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That clarifies a few things Saddo.
I mean, surely we should have heard by now how the two of them came together. From who? One's dead and when he was alive the police weren't interested in what he had to say and and the other ones a lying murderer. That's the one question we aren't going to get any more answers on. |
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Criminals don't typically lie around (literally) at a scene waiting for the police to arrive. It is inconceivable that they cuffed him without knowing he was badly injured.
Maybe we will find out more detail, but far more egregious, and no apologism required, is the tumbleweed from the government on the case after the conviction. |
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There's plenty of criminals who get injured doing their crimes, so not unusual to detain him necessarily. Again, if they've handcuffed both because - for example - they're both still kicking off or summat like that then at least that would be some kind of partial explanation. And that would be different to handcuffing the victim and not handcuffing the killer. But we just don't know. And again, it's just dead weird that there's nothing at all on how it came to happen. It's just "they were both on the road, and then he got stabbed". I know the perp ias a horror with a knife obsession, so was he just literally a psycho on the look out for someone to kill or what? The victim wasn't alone was he. Sure I heard he was with some others. Will retract if wrong obvs. But we haven't even had a "we don't know what the killer's motivation was" have we? Just a void.
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Shrewd_dude 29 May 26 22:13
That clarifies a few things Saddo. I mean, surely we should have heard by now how the two of them came together. From who? One's dead and when he was alive the police weren't interested in what he had to say and and the other ones a lying murderer. .......................................................... Henry filmed the build up to the stabbing on his phone. The phone was found in the murderers pocket. Henry told the three(female) officers that he'd been stabbed, 'no you haven't' one of them said while cuffing him. His last words were the same as George's, 'I can't breathe'. |
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'Again, if they've handcuffed both because - for example - they're both still kicking off or summat like that'
One of them was too busy bleeding to death to be 'kicking off', dear me. |
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But he was talking and alert when he was cuffed wasn't he. Sadly, internal bleeding's a real bad one, cos usually the victim doesn't know the peril they're in initially.
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