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The UK voting age is to be lowered to 16 by the time of the next General Election.
I'm apolitical so I've never voted in my life.
I'm apolitical so I've never voted in my life.
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That'll guarantee Farage is the next PM.
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Lib dems and greens delighted
Tories can't believe it, lol |
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2024 General Election.
18 - 24 year olds. Labour 33% Green Party 25% Liberal Democrat 21% Reform 9% Conservative 6% Others 6% It'll be interesting to see how those figures read when 16 - 18 year olds enter the fray in four years time. |
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16 year olds can currently vote in Scotland in many elections.
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No young person is going to vote Labour after 5 years of Starmer..
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Wales also can currently vote at 16.
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England playing catch up again then.
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After a poll of 500 16 and 17 year olds showed a split of 51:49 in favour of being able to vote, ITV did their own groundbreaking research to get to the bottom of all this:
ITV News went to Cockshut Hill School in the Birmingham Yardley constituency, one of the areas with the highest percentage of 16 and 17-year-olds, which also has a very slim majority. We asked the group of five whether they thought 16-year-olds should have the vote, and only one of them did. Maryam Panjsheri told us she doesn't think the voting age should be lowered, "because we haven't got the right life experiences - we wouldn't know who to vote for." "Because we're 16, we're not fully developed yet, and we're easily influenced", she said. Rehan Shafi said: "I don't think 16-year-olds are mature, because the frontal lobe develops around 25, 24. "Even with the age of consent, I don't think it should be 16, I think it should be 18 or older." Aaireen Fatima said: "When you're 16 you have other things like our GCSEs, I feel like my choice would be very influenced by my surroundings like my friends and family. "Politics isn't something I'm very interested in right now, so I feel like I could make a biased decision rather than a fair one." The best part of this "research" was that it was done by ITV, so it wasn't paid for by TV license holders |
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No Taxation without representation
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About time, if you're old enough to work full time you should be entitled to vote.
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We currently probably have half a million voting with early dementia...
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It will not take the young long to find out you are better off not voting. That is my advice.
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If you were born in July or August, you officially leave school at 15 at the end of June, and you can work from then, so should be 15 if that's the principle.
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Well it would be 16 but 15 if you fit the criteria you described..arguably un-necessarilly complicating it..
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Poor advice Metro
The only thing I would say is that these MP’s need to feel the pain. Many have snouts in the trough with tickets on the Gravy Train. People like Jess Phillips have given backing to a terrorist sympathiser and a man who I’d not fit to lead our country. I hope the locals ditch her and send a message to others like Wes Streeting. Don’t waste your vote. Use it to let them know they cannot take you fir granted and have to start listening. These scumbags are trying to go after Diane Abbott again. It’s about time they feel some heat. |
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No representation unless you pay tax. Most 16yos would vote to double the spend on NHS and make Universities free.
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If voting changed anything they wouldn't allow people to vote.
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We asked a group of 5
Great sample size. |
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Maybe end voting for pensioners
who don't pay tax... Get a sample of 5 to decide |
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We have Hobson's choice
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I wouldn't decrease it, in fact I'd increase it to 21, give kids the chance to make an informed decision.
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I agree with you in principle, Aspro, but on what do we base our' informed' decisions when most
politicians are liars! |
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The message that 16 year olds can work & pay tax so should be allowed to vote should be taken with a bucket of salt.
16 year olds can’t just get a job, they need to be in education or training. Much said that can join the army but again are restricted in what can actually do there. Hardly any 16 year olds are in the army Need to be 17 to drive 18 to… Gamble Buy a beer Buy cigarettes Get a tattoo Marry Get loans/ general contracts Even age of consent is 18 in some circumstances to prevent 16 year old children from being exploited by people in a position of trust. To allow 16 year old to vote , government have changed ID rules so can use non photo ID of a bank card. |
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fair point roggrain
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good news for further education - they may get more money from government going forward instead of being the outcasts of the education system
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are kids more intelligent at 21 ? have you read the muck on here from fannygoat,casemonkey/irishone,dancingbravethebest/ronaldmacdonald/cider about 500 years combined ?
16 is grand for voting |
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How many 16/17 year olds actually pay tax. anybody any idea ?
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Labours only chance of getting in again
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How many 16/17 year olds actually pay tax.
Very nearly 100% of them |
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How much income tax and/or NI would that be then YHTL ?
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Oh, income tax
Not just any tax, do kids get chocolate bars and takeaways vat free? |
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Bit of a childish remark YHTL but not unexpected given your past form and penchant for deflection.
Toddlers eat such stuff so i suppose they would get the vote in your world ? Starmer said that if they are old enough to work and pay taxes then they(16/17 year olds) should be able to vote. So any chance of actually answering my question ? |
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Lol, you have changed your question having not liked
my accurate answer to your first. I am not deflecting, you are. Your logic is flawed, as that is not my point at all, but strawmen seem a strong part of your straw clutching. Lol Who did you used to be before you were banned |
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Have you been on the sauce Donny ?
You have basically proved my point ,you can't answer a simple question so deflect and play the @rse. I asked a perfectly fair question that simply needed a factual response. I suggest you look up what a "straw man" argument actually is. And pray tell, what am i supposed to have been banned from ? |
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I answered your question
It's nearly 100% So you changed the question and strawmanned about toddlers Lol |
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A straw man, in the context of logic and rhetoric, is a form of argument where one person misrepresents or distorts another person's argument to make it easier to attack, essentially creating a "straw man" to knock down instead of addressing the real argument.
Exactly what you did |
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Starmer was asked in an interview how he justified 16/17 year olds being allowed to vote.
His reply was because if they can work and pay taxes then they should be entitled to. I then asked the question on here, how many 16/17 year olds pay tax ? It was quite obvious which tax i was referring to and only a quarterwit would fail to grasp this and hey presto one came along. It was you Donny who deflected and indeed essentially straw manned with your infantile response. And you never answered as to what i was supposedly banned from, what are you inferring ? |