Badenoch calls for national inquiry into 'rape gangs'

What is Labour & Starmer frightened of?

We've already had a national inquiry on child sex abuse. The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) published its report in 2022.

Suella Braverman in 2023 said the government would act on all but one of the 20 or so recommendations. NONE were acted on by tories.


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And...

https://neilwilby.com/2022/09/08/no-public-inquiry-in-oldham-says-home-office/

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Surely a National Brexit inquiry at some time? Maybe go the sooner route?

Surely a National Brexit inquiry at some time? Maybe go the sooner route?

Pure Whataboutery



Why are Labour and their supporters so scared of a full national inquiry into the rape and sexual abuse of thousands of girls?

Starmer is the PM now. He can't keep blaming previous administrations for his lack of action.

Not sure you come to the whataboutery conclusion.You started a thread with Badenoch calling for one with 'rape gangs', it was then pointed out to you one had taken place quite recently,on the list of National inquiry priorities surely that (brexit) is the big stand out one.

Sue-Ellen Cassiana "Suella" Braverman KC (/suˈɛlə ˈbrævərmən/;[1] née Fernandes; born 3 April 1980) is a British politician and barrister who served as Home Secretary from 6 September 2022 to 19 October 2022, and again from 25 October 2022 to 13 November 2023.

James Spencer Cleverly TD VR (born 4 September 1969) is a British politician and Army Reserve officer who served as Home Secretary from November 2023 to July 2024

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Home Secretary, could have called enquiry...





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Surely a National Brexit inquiry at some time? Maybe go the sooner route?


yes as to why rapists are still entering our country , when we were told Migration would be limited

it was then pointed out to you one had taken place quite recently,

Really? Who led this National Inquiry?

The IICSA 18.23

I have YHTL blocked

That is your problem,it is a very valid post in the context of the thread.

You have ears,they aren't feckin ornaments.

Believe you me it is a relief not a problem.

He has me blocked but he mistakenly cut and pasted one of my posts on football forum

Once a nobb, alwaways a nobb

It was a matter of fact post.(18.23)

I would listen to everyones point of view,18.59 post has some merit without agreeing with it, your position with blocking people is ignoring their points but.... they may well be right.

Maybe but I find the forum a much better place without the name callers.

The simple facts of the thread is it was finished with the 18.23 post,if unblocked you could have acknowledged it. Me realising that asked for a screaming should be National inquiry which you dismissed as whataboutery.

Just being straight out here in the problem isn't name calling but actually 'blocking'

7 years and millions of pounds

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/iicsa-report-of-the-independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-abuse

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) was established by the Home Secretary in 2015 to look at the extent to which institutions in England and Wales have discharged their duty to protect children from sexual abuse.

https://www.bensixsmith.com/p/a-conspiracy-of-murmuring

Badenoch is beyond useless.

Still Going on across the country

The motion was carried unanimously by all 5 parties in the council.

You would like to think those councillors in Oldham would be in a better position to determine whether the abuse and exploitation of the survivivors in their area had been adequately addressed.

Always interesting to see the usual posters try to sweep it under the carpet because hey! it suits their politics.

I agree a national enquiry over the rape gangs in Oldham is long overdue. The rape episodes cast a stain on the entire British Society when these crimes were mainly caused by a section of a British community ie Pakistani where gangs of minicab drivers and some of their relatives were industrially abusing vulnerable young white females (only white females) for over 2 decades with impunity.

I think the scums at high offices eg councillors and leaders of authorities eg police, social services, legal establishments, etc, must be legally asked to account for their part in not taking actions against these vile Pakistani minicab gangs.

One of the ring leaders of the grooming gang in oldham was employed by Oldham Council as a Welfare rights officer. You would imagine that gave him a certain degree of immunity when it came to allegations.

Lets not trust the Oldham Councillors when they ask for a national inquiry though.

Lets just talk about Brexit or people being killed in Montenegro instead.

14 years and they did nothing!

Parliament passes laws, police forces and the CPS enforce them in the courts.

Is the Home Secretary supposed to personally arrest and prosecute all criminals?

Who mentioned home secretary that nobbo doesn't have blocked.

There calls for an enquiry in 2022 but the Conservatives knocked it back Nobby!

Why is Bad Enoch calling for an enquiry now? Why not before if she really cares?

To date no politician has taken responsibility for their actions, in allowing the circumstances of these rapes to happen.

Damn right and also who are the people who did not report the crimes to the Police and who are the Police who did not do their job and who are the civil servants who told the Police not to do their jobs?

They are all guilty as the Bishops of the Church of England who allowed the groomers to violate children and did not report them to the Police

Who gives a **** about Badenoch.

The reality is this was a cross party motion unanimously approved by the five parties at council level.

It it is Jess Phillips who has refused it.

From today's Telegraph

Sir Keir Starmer is as “guilty as anyone” over failures to address grooming gangs, the whistleblower who helped expose the scandal has said.

Maggie Oliver, the former Greater Manchester Police (GMP) detective, who helped uncover widespread abuse in Rochdale, said she had no faith that the Prime Minister wanted to get to the truth and it was time for those responsible to be held fully accountable.

Labour has blocked a national public inquiry into the grooming scandal in which thousands of vulnerable girls were raped and sexually abused by gangs of mainly British Pakistani men.

Previous reports have been published into the failures of the police and local councils to prevent abuse in towns such as Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford, with officers and prosecutors avoiding taking action for fear of being called racist or Islamophobic.

But there are growing calls for a statutory national investigation to examine wider failings, including by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) where Sir Keir was director of public prosecutions (DPP) between 2008 and 2013.
Elon Musk, the US billionaire and ally of Donald Trump, accused Sir Keir of failing to prosecute child rapists, suggesting that safeguarding minister Jess Phillips had rejected Oldham council’s calls for an inquiry in order to protect him.

Sir Keir has addressed the CPS’s failings over the scandals, admitting that the vulnerable girls were let down while he was in charge when a case was dropped against a rape suspect despite overwhelming evidence pointing to their guilt.

Ms Oliver, who now runs a foundation supporting abuse victims, said that, while previous inquiries had led nowhere, she did believe it was now time for a fresh independent investigation into grooming.

She added that as a former DPP, Sir Keir had to bear some responsibility for the widespread failure to bring those responsible to justice.

Writing on X, she said: “Those leading these ‘enquiries’ have always wanted to cover up the truth, to hide it. And I’d say it’s become even worse in recent months with those who dare to speak out finding themselves in prison within a couple of days… when victims wait 6/7/8 years for a trial! Corrupt and just wrong.

“I firmly believe we need totally independent people who will ensure it’s not just another attempt to delay and hide the truth.

“Radical change and overhaul of all our public bodies. And bring in criminal accountability for all our senior police and public officials who have turned a blind eye.

“Those with vested interests who pop up when this hits the headlines then fade away again when it all dies down will not bring change. They’re in it for themselves, I believe.

“Conservatives and Labour are all equally to blame [in my opinion], and Keir Starmer as former DPP is perhaps as guilty as anyone I know in where we find ourselves today.

“We all know what’s going on, but I don’t trust a single one of those who to date have been entrusted with keeping our children safe and prosecuting serial rapists. They’ve failed. Repeatedly. Knowingly. Criminally.”

She was responding to Nazir Afzal, the former chief crown prosecutor for the North West, who charged dozens of men with grooming offences and rejected calls for a national inquiry.

He claimed he and Ms Oliver were in agreement that another lengthy investigation would be a waste of time when previous recommendations had not been implemented.

‘Where is the international uproar?’

The Government is under growing pressure to grant an inquiry, with further calls coming from senior Trump allies in America.

Billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman urged Mr Trump to “consider appropriate sanctions against the UK” over its handling of the grooming scandal.

The former Democrat donor, who endorsed Mr Trump in the wake of the first assassination attempt against him, shared a Telegraph story about Labour blocking the inquiry into Sir Keir’s conduct as the head of the CPS while investigating the Oldham child abuse ring.

The outspoken hedge fund manager questioned why the scandal had been able to continue while those who raised alarms about it were accused of “stirring up racial unrest”.

Accusing Sir Keir and King Charles of “doing nothing to stop this madness”, Mr Ackman added: “Where is the international uproar? What are the UK and international rape victim groups doing to stop these horrendous acts?
“Why wouldn’t Donald Trump consider appropriate sanctions against the UK until these concerns are addressed?”
It comes after Mr Musk, who has been a vocal critic of Sir Keir and his Government in recent months, said that Ms Phillips deserved “to be in prison” over her decision.

He wrote on X: “Who was the head of the CPS when rape gangs were allowed to exploit young girls without facing justice? Keir Starmer, 2008–2013.

“Who is the boss of Jess Phillips right now? Keir Stamer [sic]. The real reason she’s refusing to investigate the rape gangs is that it would obviously lead to the blaming of Keir Starmer (head of the CPS at the time).”
On Friday, Wes Streeting branded Mr Musk’s comments “misjudged and certainly misinformed”.

Asked about the row, Mr Streeting told ITV: “This Government is committed to implementing the recommendations of the inquiry into child sexual abuse. We will do that in full.

“We will get on with the job. And some of the criticisms that Elon Musk has made, I think, are misjudged and certainly misinformed.”

The Health Secretary also said the entrepreneur should “roll his sleeves up” to help tackle child sexual exploitation, as he said that social media firms have “got a big part to play”.

He added: “We’re willing to work with Elon Musk, who I think has got a big role to play with his social media platform to help us and other countries to tackle this serious issue so if he wants to work with us and roll his sleeves up, we’d welcome that.”

It came after Andrew Gwynne, a health minister, suggested Mr Musk “perhaps ought to focus on issues on the other side of the Atlantic” rather than intervene in British politics.

Meanwhile, the father of one of the victims of the Rochdale scandal backed calls for a national public inquiry into “Britain’s untouchable grooming gangs”.

Girl A told police she had been raped following her arrest for smashing up the counter of an Indian takeaway in the town in August 2008.

But despite identifying her attackers and even giving detectives her underwear containing her rapist’s DNA, the CPS dropped the case after concluding she was not a reliable witness.

Two years later, after reviewing the case, the men were successfully prosecuted, and prosecutors were forced to apologise to Girl A.

Speaking to The Telegraph, her father claimed the police and the Government were continuing to turn a blind eye to the topic of Asian grooming gangs because it undermined their notions of social cohesion.

He said: “A public inquiry is long overdue because we desperately need to know the reality of what’s happening on our streets.

“At the moment, we seem to have returned to the same sort of denial that existed back in 2012 when my daughter was raped and groomed. Back then, people refused to accept that it was going on, and today we’re no further forward.

“Police are more interested in investigating so-called hate crimes than the reality of young girls being attacked. It’s scandalous because it’s effectively added another layer of political correctness – and that can only feed the far-Right and Nigel Farage.

‘Whether it’s true or not, there’s certainly an impression that there’s a cover-up and that ordinary people aren’t being told the truth.”

He went on: “The last thing I want is for other kids to go through what my family went through with our daughter. Rather than have the authorities keep covering things up, we need as a nation to be told the absolute truth. That’s why I think victims of grooming will be 100 per cent behind the setting up of a new inquiry.”

The father believes that any new inquiry should focus not only on historical grooming but also – and more importantly – on the crime as it exists today.

“Yes, an inquiry might answer once and for all whether Keir Starmer and the CPS held back on stopping the gangs because they were more concerned with social cohesion, but it would also shine a spotlight on what’s happening now.

“You can’t tell me that there aren’t still grooming gangs in places like Oldham, Bradford, Leeds, London and Birmingham. Just because it’s not centre stage any more doesn’t mean it’s not happening.”

Who is Wes Streeting? What has he done as the shadow health secretary? What was his "contribution" during Covid? To me he's not fit for purpose. I truly believe his brief is too heavy and taxing for his limited experience and ability.

The sexual abusing and grooming of vulnerable young white females in Oldham, Bradford, Leeds, etc, for over two decades were swept under the carpet purely for political reason ie the perpetrators were almost entirely from the Pakistani community - an integral part of the Labour support; social cohesion was only a ruse.

Bradford, a city of "Culture"? Really? What culture?

Maggie Oliver actual quote, from which telegraph picked a bit out...

I
said that ALL THESE ENQUIRIES including @IICSAVSCP
Rochdale, Augusta, Oldham have all led absolutely NOWHERE! Nothing changes. Millions wasted. Lawyers getting rich defending the indefensible.

Because those leading these “enquiries” have always wanted to cover up the truth, to hide it. And I’d say it’s become even worse in recent months with those who dare to speak out finding themselves in prison within a couple of DAYS….. when victims wait 6/7/8 years for a trial!! Corrupt and just wrong!

I firmly believe we need totally independent people who will ensure it’s not just another attempt to delay and hide the truth. Radical change and overhaul  of all our public bodies. And bring in. Criminal accountability for all our senior police and public officials who have turned a blind eye.

Those with vested interests who pop up when this hits the headlines then fade away again when it all dies down will not bring change. They’re in it for themselves I believe. Conservatives and labour are all equally to blame imo, and @Keir_Starmer
as former DPP is perhaps as guilty as anyone I know in where we find ourselves today.

We all know what’s going on, but I don’t trust a single one of those who to date have been entrusted with keeping our children safe and prosecuting serial rapists. They’ve failed. Repeatedly. Knowingly. Criminally.

Are you able to post that again in a format that is readable Donny?

It reads like a baboon has just been introduced to crayons for the first time.

It's a cut and paste off twitter, from which telegraph
took their quote.

Reading is always difficult for you, but stick with it
you might get there one day.

No surprise it looks like gobbledegook then.

You took it off something you read on tweeter.

No surprise it looks like gobbledegook then.

You took it off something you read on tweeter.

As ever the great Gad Saad (who has spoken often about all this) sums up the thinking behind it all.
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https://youtu.be/RRlbn74YTT4?si=f_X-QdYGJ5ILvT3A

Liberalism has now become a tainted word to mean ‘mug’. Just as ‘Progressivism’ now means regressivism and control.
The bourgeoisie refused to listen or cared little on the social impact because it didn’t affect them, the tendency has been to not look for patterns and find excuses to do as little as possible by having piecemeal and lethargic remedies that are generalistic rather than specific in nature.

Guilty as anyone Nobby?

Does that include you?

Or the children’s parents or the Police or the Conservatives or the Northern monkeys who allowed this to happen in their towns?

Like Oxford?

don't you Israeli blackmail anymore ?

Red pulled

youtube.com/watch?v=POt5nNFaM-Q

€€€€$$$$$$££££££
National inquiry - endless inquiry bless

Oh yeah

Notorious

Just in Case

Changes

Clown land

You certainly making the most out of that can of brasso lad.

Unlike you I no why they me

Is it because you talk in demented riddles and apply everything to the last song you heard?

Big ****
You
Simp
Comedy bless

C - I - c - k
Stop Being a Simp for Elon Musk - even reform worked that out - bless

Torus are fooked-
Sold more blood- nothing really changed -same as it ever was
You keep buying - lemming

Its hard but try Look forward ain't good
Comedy good thou

Torys-. Torus

MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - THRIFT SHOP FEAT. WANZ
Dusty \/  w\d
youtube.com/watch?v=POt5nNFaM

Daffuk are you on about?
Are you like a glitch in the matrix or something?

Ya don't get it , fear not .  didn't expect t anything - so easily lead
try -read the room

Well if you intended me to actually get it why try express it in a phucking mime?
Say what you mean or don’t even bother

Now how do you solve the problem that is elon-musk???
And countless others?

Those who were found Guilty and were not born in the UK should have been deported after being released ,incredible they were let stay in the UK 

May also have served as a warning to any others

Northern monkeys who allowed this to happen in their towns?

What about the members of the communities the Rapists were from WD , why did they not do nothing , is Child Abuse and Abuse of females acceptable to them , Must be ?

or do you have another answer ?

We know the Labour Councils wanted it all kept quite

the old nanny ;-) • January 5, 2025 5:09 PM GMT
Those who were found Guilty and were not born in the UK should have been deported after being released ,
Sure that's law here

Doesn't fix the problem overall

most of your hero Tommy funds comes from??? the exploitation of others
How bizarre
Bless

Anything  going on over there Shiny , keep your eyes peeled mate , dont look the other way

All power to Elon, if he happens to provoke into injustices that were attempted to be brushed under the carpet, then as they say, there’s no thing as bad publicity.

How can anyone bring up funding when as charities, they are completely in hoc to funding?
Funding that happens to be drying up as government schemes have gone stale.


The whole premise seems to be from some on here, that because Reform are presently of the mind they have to play the political hand and decide to distance from Tommy, that in turn creates a problem.
Well it doesn’t really.

It was always said the tory vote was a broadchurch; you had supporters from monied estates, and you had supporters from working class backgrounds wanting to ‘get on’.
MPs appealed to both areas for their individual reasons.
The working class are with To my for the injustices of the past, and a growing share of the Middle Class that actually listen to what he stands for rather than assuming he is some career criminal.
Go and be one of the 150million plus that has listened to what he says, rather than being told you can’t agree because he has been sent to jail.

As I’ve said elsewhere, Navalny went to jail  does that make you a Putin supporter by defalt?

your well your soul to the devil
Nothing knew

Bucket up
Back 2 footie

Another reason
Why they me

Zucchini this fits his one world government psyop?

Zucchini wow - chopping
Ya think this fits his

Sold your soul eh..
Funny how that works
Back 2 footie
Boom

If Mr Musk funds an independent enquiry it will happen. He can afford it, and it's for a good cause. Post this those who played a part in the original enquiry and did nothing constructively or professionally could be summoned to answer questions under oath. If found to be professionally incompetent or disingenuous then legal action should be taken to seek redress. I think this is the very least the victims deserve after two decades of inactivity by those entrusted to protect the welfare of the vulnerables esp young white females in the areas.

Nothing else matters
Consequences of fundamentalist , Radical right gains power
It aint rockket science ffs.  They mugged ya-ool

Tax 2 Oblivion or godbless

shiny should get his own forum

loves a mirror

Does it not get boring ? Irish
Comedy but dull
You've been down this road before yet you crave more - comedy
basically insanity -Oceanic
So sad

Bless you son n

A  true disciple. how does it feel?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ovdm2yX4MA

The tories were in power the last time Robinson was jailed for talking about the muslims and they did nothing.

I seem to remember Boris was in charge at the time, so he could have easily pardoned him or commuted the sentence.

What is it with loons who want law breakers freed

“It’s pretty galling that Robert Jenrick, who was part of the last government which oversaw around 98% of reported rapes going unpunished, finds he now cares about victims,” she said.

“To many people, Jenrick’s concern will ring hollow as he continues to be more concerned about self-promotion and division, than he is victims of rape and sexual violence.”

This is why there requires root and branch inquiry into the whole scandal of grooming gangs.
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https://youtu.be/8hvaO2xLsAg?si=XR0q7vA3ssobCcxR

Here is the Select Committee finding out the police didn’t take ethnicity or other things into account when dealing with these crimes.
In essence the police didn’t police based on the fact they might reveal something sinister that was uncomfortable for those who had tacit involvement in CRT politics.
This involved the establishment, who are happy to count heads and the colour of those heads in all lines of work or daily lives, except it seems when it comes to systematically raping children.

I saw a poignant clip yesterday of an ex-detective of police who asked the question, when was it no longer a crime for an adult to have sex with a child under 16, or for that child to be allowed to give consent to an adult under any circumstances?

Yvette Cooper: "We will make it mandatory to report abuse... making it an offense to fail to report or cover up child sexual abuse. The protection of institutions must never be put before the protection of children...."

14 years...

NEW: The Government will be establishing a "victims and survivors panel" to advise on "wider work around child sexual exploitation and abuse", Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has said.

She told MPs: "We now need new impetus and action. Since coming into office, the safeguarding minister has met with Professor Alexis Jay and survivors and convened the first dedicated cross-government group to drive forward change and to ensure that victims' voices remain at the very heart of this process.

"I can tell the House that we will set up a new victims and survivors panel to work on an ongoing basis with the inter-ministerial group to guide them on the design, delivery and implementation of new proposals and plans, not just on the IICSA (Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse) inquiry, but on wider work around child sexual exploitation and abuse and we will set out more details and timescales based on that work."

Yvette Cooper, "None of the 20 recommendations from the independent inquiry into child abuse have been implemented"

"Two different Conservative Home Secretaries said after the report was published: it was a watershed, should be a beginning for a new chapter for change. But that has not happened"

Boris Johnson in 2019: "Money is being ‘spaffed up the wall’ on historic child abuse investigations"

Loony loony labour mps have the chance to do what is right and launch enquiry’s and root out the evil.

They have chosen not to.

And the biggest loony leftie loser, Starmer, is blaming the far right…..

The lefties ain’t right in the head!

In a major speech on NHS reform, Sir Keir Starmer said on Monday: “Those that are spreading lies and misinformation, as far and as wide as possible, are not interested in the victims. They’re interested in themselves. Those who are cheerleading Tommy Robinson are not interested in justice.”

But Mr Musk retorted with a fresh flurry of lurid claims that Sir Keir – who oversaw the first major prosecution of an Asian grooming gang while director of public prosecutions – “was deeply complicit in the mass rapes in exchange for votes”.

Lib Dem leader Sir Ed Davey called for the US ambassador to be summoned over Mr Musk’s remarks, while Tory leader Kemi Badenoch criticised Sir Keir as a “man of the past with no answers for today’s problems”.

A national inquiry should have been called given the heinous, severity, longevity and composition of rapists and sexual abusers were solely from the Pakistani community. An inquiry could have established whether this heinous behaviour could have been culturally induced, biologically induced or both.

Why are the perpetrators from only the Pakistani community? Why?

Labour has serious questions to answer
The public is clamouring for a moment of national recognition for the young victims disgracefully neglected by the authorities

Boris Johnson in 2019: "Money is being ‘spaffed up the wall’ on historic child abuse investigations"

referring to the 'Nick' cases, championed by James O'Brien

Is this 'you've had one inquiry so that's that' gonna be applied to everything else?

How many Finucane inquiries have there been? Another one was announced the other week

Not sure how many more inquiries we need to get exactly the same results. That the police and local authorities could never give a sh!t for kids in care, or youngsters on the fringes of crime and drugs etc, kids from broken homes. How many more times do we need to hear of allegations not being chased by the authorities, and then when the evidence becomes overwhelming, how they cover it all up to try to hide their own complicity or at least their wilful ignorance of what was going on?



Do we really need one more inquiry to add to that pile?


As donny noted above, how about we start with actually listening to what the previous inquiries said and start acting on their recommendations? Cos if our interest is in actually protecting kids, and stopping something like it happening again, then that's what you need to do.

(as an aside)


I'd recommend everyone who posts on here who actually wants to carry on posting on here, is a little more careful and pauses before hitting post in the coming weeks. Seems to be a rising in feeling along the usual topics and that's usually followed by a cull of those who get most pretendy upset.

PorcupineorPineapple • January 7, 2025 8:24 AM GMT
(as an aside)
I'd recommend everyone who posts on here who actually wants to carry on posting on here, is a little more careful and pauses before hitting post in the coming weeks. Seems to be a rising in feeling along the usual topics and that's usually followed by a cull of those who get most pretendy upset.


A dictatorship is a government or a social situation where one person makes all the rules and decisions without input from anyone else. Dictatorship implies absolute power — one person who takes control — of a political situation, a family, a classroom or even a camping expedition.

......  beware what you wish for Porky

I'm wishing to help people avoid what might be coming. If you want to ignore it then I'm more than happy for you to carry on as before.

education, education, education

There are numerous areas where the existing inquiry is insufficient.

Whether ‘lifestyle choices’ as a phrase was ever used is of some debate now it seems, but inaction knowing a child’s age can’t be argued.

i want accountability rather than another enquiry
E.G those police officers who went in and found a mostly naked drunk 11 year girl with a group of adult males and arrested the girl for being drunk and disorderly to lose their jobs and their bosses lose their jobs and pensions
I want those councillors and senior officers in the identified councils responsible for the safeguarding of children sacked and prosecuted where appropriate
Etc etc
Its like all major national incidents like this including the post office - there is no accountability for highly paid people who have been responsible for what happened

Exactly. And let's put in place the necessary changes to try to stop it happening again. No more kicking the can down the road to let off the guilty parties and give them a chance to retire themselves away from danger.

The police/CPS have eventually bought some of the gangs to court but doesn’t seem to be much movement on putting the “customers “ in jail.

We have been informed that the gang leaders made money by selling the children to be raped. Why hasn’t they been a thousand court cases?
The recent case in France saw every rapist given a prison sentence not just those who organised the crime.

The law is the same in U.K. , it isn’t only the gang leaders who have broken the law.

Have to agree with you rothko

The only point of enquiries is to make Lawyers rich. Did the Conservative Home Secretary implement ANY of Jay’s recommendations?

Jenrik is a complete etc hypocrite. Of all those doing the complaining how many of them ashley give a Shiite about these girls in the care system?

The girl who was 12 years old when she went to the help to the Police, Sam, on GB News right now even says it is not about the ethnicity of the monsters it is about the care of the girls and the people shouting loudest are only interested in “ Pakistani’s “ being the perps.

I agree with you rothko how could people turn their backs on abused children? It is equally as disgusting imho. The monsters need to be brought to justice and those in authority who did nothing should face the consequences of their actions at the very least.

@ Tobermory, 'how many Finucane inquiries have they been?'

Zero independent inquiries in the 35 years since, surely you agree there must be and if not why not?

Was Musk right to call Ed Davey a snivelling cretin? We are so lucky to be living in the golden age.

From Geraldine Finucane, (source Pat Finucane centre);

'We do not believe his murder was simply the work of gunmen who killed him,we had no confidence police investigations would ever bring those responsible to justice.We were not satisfied from private limited reviews from which we were excluded. We could not accept assurances from previous British Governments that they were anxious to set the record straight because they were never prepared to in public'

'If a public inquiry into his murder can finally publicly examine all of the collusion that plagued our society for so many years then there is hope the real process of healing can begin'

An inquiry on this must have aims eg identify the causes, and implement the remedies to avoid a repeat of the same event happening some time down the line. An inquiry must also be fit for purpose.

Have the above been achieved? Have the individuals, the authorities eg social services, councils/councillors, police, CPS, etc, concerned been questioned at length and legally?

Until the above have been achieved the inquiry is not fit for purpose, but merely going through the motion to placate the emotions and local/national politics at that moment. Here today, gone tomorrow practice/attitude does not do justice to the sufferings of the victims and their families.