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-9 Celsius frozen last week, 13 degrees Celsius 100mph gusts Pi33ing down this week.

It's 20 degrees Celsius changes one week to the next, frozen lakes and fields to floods inside a week all winter so far

People will get ill because of it because the body isn't designed for such extreme weather changes
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Report truehoncho January 23, 2024 5:57 PM GMT
Covid???? No worse than a decent flu season. Its unbelievable what people will believe.
Report Charlie January 23, 2024 5:59 PM GMT
And there is no amount of scientific data that will convince a fool.
Report Charlie January 23, 2024 6:03 PM GMT

Jan 23, 2024 -- 5:49PM, truehoncho wrote:


There is no unadjusted data that shows warming. If there is display it.


Even though there is no good reason to use unadjusted data this graph does show an upward trend in global temperatures:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Observed-annual-global-temperature-unadjusted-pink-and-adjusted-for-short-term_fig1_258310059
.

Report edy January 23, 2024 6:23 PM GMT
Always do your own research, truehoncho. It's very important. Don't be a sheep that just maaaaahs around about unadjusted data.
Report edy January 23, 2024 6:29 PM GMT
Bit left behind anyway. Saying "There's no warming" is so ca. 2018. Even the majority of the most free free thinkers that majorily all freely think the same have accepted that there has been warming, but it's all down to God or something.
Report truehoncho January 23, 2024 6:30 PM GMT
That data is nonsense Charlie. Its biased and completely out of contest. The only data that is clean is the NOOAA data that goes back over 100 years.It shows no warming unless yo adjust for time of day readings.
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 6:32 PM GMT
We use adjusted data all the time.

Obviously need to have some intelligence to understand the principles which is why people study mathematics, statistics at school.

The most commonly used adjusted data is when comparing costs/wages etc. between different years.
Without an adjustment it would appear that everybody in U.K. is two or three times richer than at the start of the century.


Dismissing evidence just because people failed exams at school and can’t understand basic science isn’t very intelligent.


19 & honcho . What a pair to discuss science.
Report truehoncho January 23, 2024 6:39 PM GMT
Edy - Hey Porcie I'm trolling Honcho on a climate change thread. Charlie is on here too.
Porcie - I don't think you will get much traction Edy. Your profile as a German who no one will speak to in his own country that has to make stories up about how his mum and dad met pretty much sums you up.
Edy - Yeah but I have to try something as he made us look like idiots on the Ukraine thread.
Porcie - No point you're a complete buffoon. Now bend down and smell my f*rts.
Rdy - Ok
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 6:42 PM GMT
That’s the spirit honcho.

Ignore the science and start having a conversation with yourself.
I’m sure19 will be along to offer support.

And to think all those teachers thought you wouldn’t amount to much. Well you have shown them with your knowledge of mathematics, statistics and science. Who needs to pass exams.
Report edy January 23, 2024 6:43 PM GMT
Gotta admire how strong his cope is.
Report Charlie January 23, 2024 7:20 PM GMT

Jan 23, 2024 -- 6:30PM, truehoncho wrote:


That data is nonsense Charlie. Its biased and completely out of contest. The only data that is clean is the NOOAA data that goes back over 100 years.It shows no warming unless yo adjust for time of day readings.


Unadjusted data is freely available on the NASA link I gave above, it's right at the end of it.

Report Charlie January 23, 2024 7:26 PM GMT

Jan 23, 2024 -- 6:30PM, truehoncho wrote:


That data is nonsense Charlie. Its biased and completely out of contest. The only data that is clean is the NOOAA data that goes back over 100 years.It shows no warming unless yo adjust for time of day readings.


On the off chance you meant NOAA

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature#:~:text=According%20to%20NOAA's%202023%20Annual,0.20%C2%B0%20C)%20per%20decade
.

According to NOAA's 2023 Annual Climate Report the combined land and ocean temperature has increased at an average rate of 0.11° Fahrenheit (0.06° Celsius) per decade since 1850, or about 2° F in total. The rate of warming since 1982 is more than three times as fast: 0.36° F (0.20° C) per decade.

...

Human activities, principally through emissions of greenhouse gases, have unequivocally caused global warming, with global surface temperature reaching 1.1°C above 1850-1900 in 2011-2020.

Report PorcupineorPineapple January 23, 2024 7:37 PM GMT
Good grief, that lad must have pictures of our avatars plastered to his wall. This place is becoming a group cry for help.
Report truehoncho January 23, 2024 7:39 PM GMT
According to NOAA's 2023 Annual Climate Report the combined land and ocean temperature has increased at an average rate of 0.11° Fahrenheit (0.06° Celsius) per decade since 1850, or about 2° F in total. The rate of warming since 1982 is more than three times as fast: 0.36° F (0.20° C) per decade. - That's because they are using time of day adjusted data. They are reporting cooler readings pre 1940. Its all been very well documented.
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 7:57 PM GMT
Lol honcho

Dry sweet , your fanboy 19 will be very impressed.


So all this is very well documented but you can’t provide a link to the evidence. Was it on www.flatearth.com ?


How exactly would readings before 1940 affect the observed changes over the decades since. It claims that change is 0.2C a decade SINCE 1982.

That is 4 decades of data and got absolutely f all to do with your childish rant about 1940.


Did you enjoy A level maths Honcho? Find it a bit challenging? Decided not to do it at all?
Report truehoncho January 23, 2024 8:03 PM GMT
Mex brainwashed by the data of those with vested interest in the global warming industrial complex. A bit like cluster bombs for Ukraine eh Mex?
Report dambuster January 23, 2024 8:09 PM GMT
We've had all these storms all of our lives,
BUT THEY NEVER USE TO GIVE THEM NAMES.
They are brainwashing the gullible.
In 1947 it was the worst snowfall in the UK on record, nowadays they would blame climate change. But it was just a cold winter
in 1963 it was the coldest winter in living memory, was it climate change ? no just a cold winter.
in 1976 We had the hottest driest summer for hundreds of years, was it climate change ?
No, just a hot summer.
wake up and smell the coffee FFS
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 8:09 PM GMT
Nice link to that “well documented “ evidence honcho.

So a little mathematical challenge for those who dropped out of school without any mathematical or science exams.

Place these years in chronological order, they were the four years YOU mentioned in your illogical rant.


2023
1940
1850
1982
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 8:12 PM GMT
Dam

You say for 1976 We had the hottest driest summer for hundreds of years,


Can you explain what you mean by “WE”?
Do you mean the planet we live on?

Or do you mean a tiny country on the planet?


FFS
Report edy January 23, 2024 8:17 PM GMT
Which is worse - the brain-boost-supplement-industrial-complex or the I'm-giving-free-thinkers-with-special-needs-all-their-free,-original-and-tot... industrial complex?
Report truehoncho January 23, 2024 8:17 PM GMT
Mex providing links to biased sites. He's a proper scientist.
Report edy January 23, 2024 8:18 PM GMT
Sad

I'm giving free thinkers with special needs all their free, original and totes independent thoughts industrial complex
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 8:24 PM GMT
Honcho
Still not providing a link to “well documented “ evidence, yet cry’s like a baby when provided with links to data.
Care to explain how data pre 1940 was responsible for temp increases between 1982 and 2023?


Dam
These lads claim that 2018, 2006, 2003, 2022 were all hotter for U.K. than 1976.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1358734/top-warmest-summers-united-kingdom/

Still why bother with providing links to the data. Just scream like a spoilt brat.
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 8:28 PM GMT
Edy

You have to remember all these PhD students and post grads are raking in the money by working in climate science.

Yet those poor starving executives in the fossil fuel industry are on the breadline.
Saudi Arabia are basically bankrupt, the highest earner in UAE only receives $5,000 a year. There isn’t any money in fossil fuels, the real gravy train is academic work.
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 8:30 PM GMT
Aren’t global temperatures cyclical through time ?

And if they are cyclical wouldn’t you expect to find a number of warm years following each other naturally over a number of years
as temperatures increase - ( and of course decrease cyclically )
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 8:32 PM GMT
You wouldn’t expect a warm year , followed by a cold year etc etc over time eg - if global temp is cyclical throughout history
I
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 9:04 PM GMT
LFC

That is why a basic level of mathematics, statistics is useful.
The underlying trend is temps rising decade by decade but there have been individual years which fluctuate.

The global scientists are more worried about what is happening over 10 years, 20 years etc.
The loon tube flat earth dropouts will pick a hot year , use that cherry picked year and claim that the next couple of years are cooler, or that temps haven’t risen for 5 years.


Anybody can study mathematics and take exams to demonstrate understanding, obviously it is easier for some just to watch a video on youtube and claim dole money.
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 9:19 PM GMT
Why are they worried if what they see over ten , twenty thirty … years
Is what you would expect to see happening naturally if global temperature is cyclical over history
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 9:21 PM GMT
As I said if global temperatures are cyclical you will see year after year ( with a few exceptions of course ) of rising temperatures
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 9:27 PM GMT
Basic maths ?
Report PorcupineorPineapple January 23, 2024 9:27 PM GMT
But are they cyclical? You seem to be assuming they are.
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 9:29 PM GMT
I’m not assuming anything - that’s what the scientists tell us the evidence says
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 9:30 PM GMT
There’s no point doing maths and science

If you don’t understand maths and science
Report PorcupineorPineapple January 23, 2024 9:42 PM GMT
Can you provide an example of scientists saying it's cyclical please
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- January 23, 2024 9:44 PM GMT
I love it when lfc quotes himself as
a reliable source.

Peak forum.
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 9:58 PM GMT
Oh I see LFC

You have made up a brand new theory without any evidence that we are just part of a natural cycle and those scientists are all part of a massive global conspiracy.

Obviously the change in chemical composition of the atmosphere and the century old knowledge regarding how different molecules have IR absorption.
Can’t want for this scientific paper which witters on about how it is all natural without actually explaining the “natural mechanism “.

Thank you for your input, careful you don’t bang your head when you fall off the planet.
Report Foinavon January 23, 2024 9:59 PM GMT
Yes, ice age cycles occur roughly every 100,000 years and consist of long cold glacial periods interspersed with shorter warm periods such as the one we are currently experiencing. It is well documented.
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 10:10 PM GMT
Mex
If you look out your window you can tell if it’s rainy or sunny
However that doesn’t tell you about your regions climate - the areas
weather conditions over a long period of time . However that tree in your back garden
has been keeping a detailed climate record for decades , trees can live for hundreds even thousands of years
Talk to the trees , they will tell you that global temp is cyclical
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 10:14 PM GMT
Sorry Mex in your case don’t talk … Listen
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 10:17 PM GMT
You didn’t listen when you were a student did you mex
Too busy talking ?…
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 10:21 PM GMT
Lfc

More wittering without bothering to provide one shred of evidence.

If you had actually listened at school and actually had intelligence you would be in a better position to understand very basic science.

The link between the chemical composition of the atmosphere and temperature has been known about for over a centur. The process is even understood at a molecular level with IR absorption.

Just acting like a five year old and screaming “all natural” without even bothering to explain the “natural process “ isn’t going to win many awards.
There is plenty of evidence that the chemical composition of the atmosphere has an effect on temperature. There is plenty of evidence that temperature of the planet is increasing.

There will always be a few flat earth loons who will ignore evidence and reach their own conclusions.

Thanks for your scientific insight and your theory. Just be careful when walking near the edge of the planet.
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 10:22 PM GMT
Mex

There is knowledge and there is understanding
They’re not the same thing - don’t confuse one with the other

That’s where you are going wrong ..
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 10:23 PM GMT
LFC

Can’t actually believe you were a student. Had you down as a school failure who studied at “ the University of life”.

So did you listen when you were a student at Uni?
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 10:24 PM GMT
yhtl and pineapple have the same problem
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 10:25 PM GMT
I left school at 15 .. so what ?
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 10:25 PM GMT
LFC

How on Earth can anybody understand a subject if they have no knowledge of it.

It is clear you don’t understand the effect the chemical composition of the atmosphere has and how IR absorption can produce warming.

Perhaps time to go back are do that 11 plus .
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 10:28 PM GMT
I left school at 15 .. so what ?

Oh what a surprise.

Completely shocked about that news LFC.
You seem so knowledgeable regarding the quantum levels of various molecules. Guess you picked up all your mathematics, statistics and physics at the university of life.

Must explain how you are so knowledgeable about the planet.
Just be careful when walking near the edge of it LFC.
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 10:32 PM GMT
Mex

You can’t teach critical thinking skills no matter how many years you wasted at uni , sorry
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 10:38 PM GMT
Now let me explain why you have failed in critical thinking
I didn’t say that you don’t need knowledge ,, but having that knowledge
doesn’t mean you will understand that knowledge … understand ?
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 10:39 PM GMT
LFC

Only takes very basic “critical thinking “ skills to understand that school dropouts without any mathematical abilities will struggle to understand quantum mechanics.
Sorry.

Sorry that you failed at school. Don’t worry it isn’t the end of the world. It is obvious maths, science and knowledge isn’t your strength.

Still why let a lack of knowledge prevent you from claiming you understand the subject better that those who actually understand the subject.

Top marks for “critical thinking “ there.

Don’t walk near the edge of the planet LFC. It isn’t safe.
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 10:41 PM GMT
No , thought not Cool
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 10:42 PM GMT
I never failed at school - I said I left
You failed  in critical thinking skills again mex
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 10:44 PM GMT
Understand the difference ?
Report Mexico January 23, 2024 10:50 PM GMT
I never failed at school - I said I left

That’s the spirit LFC. Keep on believing.
Obviously you are entitled to believe that leaving school at 15 is the definition of success.

I’m sure many people have mentioned that you are special.

Don’t let your lack of knowledge or education prevent you from believing you are more knowledgeable about climate change than those who actually studied the subject.

You really are special.
Don’t fall off the edge of the planet boomer.
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 10:52 PM GMT
Well I’d passed all my O levels at 15

How many had you passed ?
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2024 11:10 PM GMT
Never mind all that nonsense mex
Report Mexico January 24, 2024 8:03 AM GMT
The self proclaimed emperor of critical thinking has spoken.

So this great vision for global warming is easy to understand n only three simple steps.

Step 1) As with all flat Earth theories….. completely ignore ALL evidence.

Step 2) state some irrelevant factually correct information……The Earth was warm 100,00 years ago and is also warm now

Step 3) The “logical” conclusion……
As it was impossible for humans to effect climate 100,000 years ago it is also IMPOSSIBLE for humans to effect  the climate today.


What fantastic “critical thinking “ . No need to study, no need to pass exams, no need to understand mathematics, statistics, quantum mechanics, chemistry.

Why are so many of the planet’s “free thinkers “ poorly educated males?

Careful not to fall off the planet.
Report nineteen points January 24, 2024 8:42 AM GMT
or the moon eh mex LaughLaugh
Report dambuster January 24, 2024 11:42 AM GMT
Mex, how far does your data go back.?
And how long as the earth been spinning.?
Report Mexico January 24, 2024 11:53 AM GMT
Dam

It isn’t “my” data. Unfortunately I don’t own the data of every single measurement since the beginning of time.

Earth is about 4.5bn years. It was very hot then . Not sure why there were no humans around , perhaps the climate didn’t suit life 4.5bn years ago.


Strange one. Wonder if the scientists with their fancy exams from their fancy universities have any idea why the climate of the planet was different 4.5bn years ago compared to now.


Obviously has absolutely F all to do with the climate changes which have been observed over past 100, 50, 20 years.

Dam. Just be careful not to fall off this 4.5bn year old lump of rock .
Report nineteen points January 24, 2024 2:12 PM GMT
scientists or lobbiers?
Report Mexico January 24, 2024 2:27 PM GMT
19

Here is a list of companies who are experts in lobbying.

https://companiesmarketcap.com/oil-gas/largest-oil-and-gas-companies-by-market-cap/



As they say follow the money. 
Wonder why it took governments so log to decide that burning fossil fuels could cause problems?

Perhaps that question is far too difficult for those who passed all their exams , studied and generally understand the subject.
Will leave that for our panel of male school failures who are self declared experts in “critical thinking “ to answer.
Report nineteen points January 24, 2024 3:48 PM GMT
Who you following this week mex? once these winds die down whats next?
Report dambuster January 24, 2024 3:50 PM GMT

Jan 24, 2024 -- 11:53AM, Mexico wrote:


DamIt isn’t “my” data. Unfortunately I don’t own the data of every single measurement since the beginning of time.Earth is about 4.5bn years. It was very hot then . Not sure why there were no humans around , perhaps the climate didn’t suit life 4.5bn years ago.Strange one. Wonder if the scientists with their fancy exams from their fancy universities have any idea why the climate of the planet was different 4.5bn years ago compared to now.Obviously has absolutely F all to do with the climate changes which have been observed over past 100, 50, 20 years. Dam. Just be careful not to fall off this 4.5bn year old lump of rock .


I'm not planning to yet mex.
i'm told life begins at 60 Cry

Report scandanavian_haven January 24, 2024 7:20 PM GMT
The problem with data is that it only stretches back a couple of hundred years since records started, the bigger problem is that the earth is a few billions years old. The winds where I am I have not heard the like before however, non stop howling at 80 odd miles per hour, whole street lost power with trees swaying wildly barely holding onto their roots, very apocalyptic, be thankful we don't live in a real cyclone location such as the Philippines who deal with that kind of weather every year.
Report Charlie January 24, 2024 7:31 PM GMT
scandanavian_haven • January 24, 2024 7:20 PM GMT
The problem with data is that it only stretches back a couple of hundred years since records started, the bigger problem is that the earth is a few billions years old.


No, the problem is that since we've started recording data it's showing man has had a significant detrimetal effect on the climate. Data doesn't need to stretch back millions of years to be useful and accurate.

Try and measure the use of personal computers from a million years ago and my guess is there will be zero. Measure it from, say, the 1970s and you will more than likely find an increasing trend for their use. World wide climate is changing now regardless of what happened a billion years ago because of man.
Report irishone January 24, 2024 8:20 PM GMT
Charlie on it again I see
Report scandanavian_haven January 24, 2024 8:49 PM GMT
I agree man has had an impact on the climate changing undoubtedly, but with or without mankind the earth's climate will change dramatically regardless, the question is how one perceives their short life, sit and worry about it or enjoy the time you have left.
Report Charlie January 24, 2024 9:04 PM GMT

Jan 24, 2024 -- 8:49PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:


I agree man has had an impact on the climate changing undoubtedly, but with or without mankind the earth's climate will change dramatically regardless, the question is how one perceives their short life, sit and worry about it or enjoy the time you have left.


I'm not advocating you or anyone sits and worries about their short life. But maybe if you, or anyone, can do a little bit such as correctly recycling stuff or maybe the occasional walk instead of driving then so much the better. Maybe you'd feel better about it but if you don't want to then don't. Regardless of how you feel about our short life the data strongly suggests we (man) are harming our planet.

Report northanlite January 25, 2024 5:44 AM GMT
nail hit on head charles. if you don't care then don't care.
the anger towards people who do is just weird
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2024 8:23 AM GMT
Greta seems very angry
Report irishone January 25, 2024 8:31 AM GMT
I walk along a beach everyday
Everyday I see these geysers lay a sheet on the promenade and cover that sheet in bags, sun glasses, african sculptures, trinkets, trainers all with "Made in China" written on them.
Now and again I take a seat in a beachfront bar and watch them.
Every now and gain two  cops walk up and for some reason all the geysers pick up their sheets and dash off somewhere.
If these "Made in China" goods weren't purchased by dopey tourists from these geysers on the promenade it might help with global warming I don't know.
Then again if the geysers boss weren't paying off the local cops to look like they were doing their job ?
Report northanlite January 25, 2024 8:36 AM GMT
geysers??? i know a lot of Irish people. Geysers isn't in their vernacular
Report PorcupineorPineapple January 25, 2024 8:56 AM GMT
jesus, irish has missed the last 40 years and just noticed blokes selling blag gearLaugh
Report irishone January 25, 2024 9:15 AM GMT
you need to travel a bit more Northanlite .......
Report northanlite January 25, 2024 9:17 AM GMT
i sure do. where do you live? i could visitCool
Report irishone January 25, 2024 9:18 AM GMT
it ain't blagged porky ....

you can buy the same gear down the Chino Market

the sellers don't have licenses
Report irishone January 25, 2024 9:19 AM GMT
No fixed abode mate Laugh
Report irishone January 25, 2024 9:20 AM GMT
No fixed abode mate Laugh
Report irishone January 25, 2024 9:21 AM GMT
Have a good day Northernlite
I have a job to go to ..................................................
Report edy January 25, 2024 9:24 AM GMT

Jan 24, 2024 -- 8:49PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:


I agree man has had an impact on the climate changing undoubtedly, but with or without mankind the earth's climate will change dramatically regardless, the question is how one perceives their short life, sit and worry about it or enjoy the time you have left.


You are essentially advocating that people just put on the blinders for uncomfortable things. The average climate scientist will not sit there worried and scared every living moment anyway. They just acknowledge that there is a problem that should be countered over the coming decades instead of being ignored. Otherwie future generations are bound to not be able to put the blinders on. They will have to actually live in a worse version of the future than what could and should have been.

Report lfc1971 January 25, 2024 9:30 AM GMT
I like comfort I can’t deny
If you don’t want to be comfortable that’s a matter for you
Don’t expect me to be so also
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2024 9:33 AM GMT
And don’t get angry if we should use every last drop of North Sea oil worth billions to the U.K.
Report edy January 25, 2024 9:36 AM GMT
Save the oil for tanks imo.
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2024 9:37 AM GMT
I love North Sea oil
Report edy January 25, 2024 9:37 AM GMT
Stay competitive and reserve oil for wars of the future instead of others saving their oil for it and you guys having battery tanks that are empty after 2 miles.
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2024 9:43 AM GMT
Anyone remember the film Giant starring Rock Hudson , Elizabeth Taylor and the scene where James Dean as the impoverished cattle rancher finally strikes oil ,, and bathes in it ….
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2024 9:44 AM GMT
Watch it , it’s beautiful
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2024 9:58 AM GMT
Utube it .. James Dean strikes oil

and then turns up at Hudsons and Taylor’s ranch in his truck ,, covered in oil

There’s so much to learn from that beautiful scene
Report Johnny The Guesser January 25, 2024 10:10 AM GMT
Don't you wish a little extra comfort for your children , or their children , or is it all about you ?
Report northanlite January 25, 2024 10:12 AM GMT
irishone • January 25, 2024 9:21 AM GMT
Have a good day Northernlite
I have a job to go to


no you don't. you will just log in as lfc1971.
fair play for keeping it going so long.
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2024 10:31 AM GMT
Of course Johnny ,, and I don’t believe in the climate change bullsh1ne

Watch Dean covered in oil ,, I believe in that
Report northanlite January 25, 2024 10:41 AM GMT
Your watching Dean covered in oil?

what you do in your own time is your
business but too much information.
Report scandanavian_haven January 25, 2024 12:25 PM GMT
I've been recycling long before it became fashionable, but it's pretty much inconsequential when you see countries such as China, biggest emitter of carbon dioxide gas in the world and one of the biggest importers of oil to fuel the motors used by there 1.5 bil populated country with no signs of slowing down, money will always dictate and as coal is so inexpensive to produce to provide the energy I don't see big countries changing suit any time soon, what they have done is talk, and provide some electric cars, and fly into summits to discuss climate change, on their private jets, it's token gesture stuff. It's a bit like voting for Reform at the next election, you're doing something, but you're doing nothing, at best you might take a seat or two away from the winning party but it'll still be one of the same two in power.
Report northanlite January 25, 2024 12:29 PM GMT
we all recycled for years. we just didn't call it that. Milk bottles. lemonade bottles. batteries.
scrap metal. darning your socks was a form of recycling.
we only became a throwaway culture in the late 70's. Firms like Bic & Gillette should be made to pay
for the tonnes of landfill they created. Of course we were all complicit too. We should have known
better.
Report PorcupineorPineapple January 25, 2024 1:42 PM GMT
Recycling is nothing but a con.


A way to get people to think climate change is their fault and they need to put plastic in a certain bin to save the planet. All bull. It's all just shipped off to some poor country and dumped in a landfill there.

It's all just a distraction away from the heavy industries that are actually doing all the polluting.
Report northanlite January 25, 2024 1:51 PM GMT
it varies wildly from region to region. depends if they have a decent recycling centre.
where i live does, over the border, useless. we have a state of the art centre so it works.
I have seen it, the place is unreal.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- January 26, 2024 4:16 PM GMT
EUROPEAN WARM SPELL
Another extraordinary warm day in FRANCE with temperatures up to 25.6C at Ceret and more records falling including Nimes again with 21.7C.
In 3 days nearly 100 monthly records were broken in France
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- January 28, 2024 6:02 PM GMT
There has provisionally been a new UK January daily max temperature record set today at Kinlochewe where the temperature reached 19.6°C

This beats the previous January UK record of 18.3°C set at Inchmarlo and Aboyne in 2003 and Aber in 1958 and 1971
Report lfc1971 January 28, 2024 6:22 PM GMT
The collapse of the golf stream will make it even colder, and for longer
Good you deserve it that’s how it should be it’s winter
Soon it will be Christmas and the snow will swirl , beautiful ….
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