Anyone on here voting Reform at the GE......

It's a much older union and we are fully integrated with a distributive monetary system and debt held in common. The rules are perhaps a little different but I suspect a member of the eurozone would experience more difficulty than the UK if they wanted to leave.

Sure, but if they wanted to, they would ultimately be allowed to leave without anyone getting in the way. Which is not the case with the UK.

The people of Northern Ireland can call a referendum and don't need UK government permission. The Belfast agreement guarantees this. I think it should be easier for the others but it's not practical to have more than one referendum per generation.

My original point was about regions retaining much of their core characteristics even if they are part of a political union or nation state either way. A federal Europe would not see one large characterless blob.

Just like Cornwall has remained special within England. Just like Scotland (and regions within Scotland) are not the same as London. Just like a Hamburger eats his fish bagel while a bavarian will order, in a language no northerner can understand, his pig shoulder with sauerkraut and bread dumplings.

The USA aren't just one big blob either, are they?

pig shoulder with sauerkraut and bread dumplings. Excuse me while I drool.

I guess the real (central and west) northerner equivalent to the pig shoulder would be Labskaus or kale with a regional smoked wurst.

Homogeneity will come more rapidly in this age of mass communications, China is the model and I daresay some dietary variation remains even there.

I like German cuisine edy, pork and sauerkraut suit me fine. Throw in pickled herring for variety and I purr like a cat.

I'm a northerner that cannot get near pickled herring. Not Bismark, not Matjes, not other kind of sourly pickled. I'm a walking (well, right now lounging) disgrace for my whole family.

I can get near tinned herring though, but the tins probably all have BPA overload so I feel bad afterwards.

How can a Pomeranian not like pickled herring? It's eaten across the Baltic region. The ones I eat are prepared in Scotland and are excellent.

Sorry Foinavon

I am not convinced. Don’t they smell of vomit? I think the Danes do something similar? Like they let it go off?

I shall stick to kippers and scrambled eggs many thanks.

The strategic aim of Reform UK before the GE was to destroy the Conservative party that betrayed those that entrusted it with their vote in 2019 and to establish a presence in the House of Commons that would serve as a bridgehead from which to build towards the 2029 election. These 2 aims have both been achieved and they can now work on the next phase of their plan over the next few years. Thanks to everyone who voted Reform Uk....remember...Rome wasnt built in a day

It also suits Labour to have the Tories and Reform sniping at each other rather than the business of challenging as an opposition/s. Surely Reform have to hope the boat numbers don't decrease, because if they do decrease through Labour's attempts, then they won't have that momentum behind them - or are they just going to challenge any attempts for a Starmer rapprochement with the EU? Labour will quite understandably present that as just good neighbours working together.

Sionara Reform losers destined to go down the Swanee as an irrelevance. 5 wasted seats!

Cackling on Friday nights for Farage? Good luck with that!

Reform won't be sniping at the conservatives as they are sinking fast, the next target is labour whose voting base is also declining. Only 20% of the electorate voted for them this time and they got in by default. Nobody new wanted them and many voters left them in disgust over the Palestine issue.

They have to snipe at tories, else they lose voters to them.

And tories snipe back.

Then they need to agree something or divide their vote again when
election comes around, or have tacit agreement
and website telling folk who to vote for tactically
to counter the 'orrible lefties.

Labour, greens and lib dems in same boat with each other too.

Why this election was terrible news for Kier Starmer - me in the Telegraph

Then tories need to take back middle ground, stealthily to those
on right, and noisily to those in centre.

The biggest danger for Reform is for Suella or Priti to win the Tory leadership and clear out all the no nation wets. It's more likely they will appoint another wet this time and the decline will continue.

Driving away from the centre ground with aging
voters is a suicidal policy. Fighting for that 5-10%
is small gain if they can even pull it off.

Why then did so many traditional tories decline to vote for them? Being the Bliar party Mk2 doesn't cut the mustard. Anyhow, I hope they disappear up their own orifices, they have been a long time dying. In the meantime we have to suffer another 5 years of the real blue tick Bliar aided and abetted by Sir kneeler and the growler. What a horrible prospect.

The utter shambles of last 5 years made them
susceptible to shelling out votes in all directions.

They need to fix the ship, then set sale.

Sail, lol enough crooked sales

Jul 9, 2024 -- 6:20AM, DancingBraveTheBest wrote:

The strategic aim of Reform UK before the GE was to destroy the Conservative party that betrayed those that entrusted it with their vote in 2019 and to establish a presence in the House of Commons that would serve as a bridgehead from which to build towards the 2029 election. These 2 aims have both been achieved and they can now work on the next phase of their plan over the next few years. Thanks to everyone who voted Reform Uk....remember...Rome wasnt built in a day

Lol, Labour are delighted to welcome them in, they helped massively.

Hmmm, I think refuk benefited more from others
harrying the tories than they did from their own efforts.

But time will tell, and simply being there as a receptacle
for a protest vote was enough of a help to dilute
Tory vote to benefit of others.

Farage claims a revolt, but under scrutiny
the polls fell from 20 to 14% which was pretty much
top end of expectation at start of campaign.

Five years is a long time for reform to remain disciplined. For their MP's to not say something stupid, or their members to be associated with the hard right, Farage's links to you know who to re-surface here and there. The tories will be back. There's no doubt.

No doubt the Tories will be back. They have a long, very well established brand whereas Reform are just chancers.

However,


EXCLUSIVE

Kemi Badenoch used first meeting of shadow cabinet to criticise Rishi Sunak's election campaign amid concerns colleagues are failing to grasp enormity of defeat

* Badenoch said that Sunak's decision to call an early election without informing his Cabinet was a mistake and bordered on 'unconstitutional'

* Badenoch said that instead of telling Cabinet ministers first Sunak had opted to inform a small group of colleagues, including his PPS Craig Williams who subsequently admitted placing a bet on the election date. She described Williams as a 'buffoon'

* Badenoch said Sunak's decision to return early from D-Day commemorations was "disastrous" and had dominated the election campaign, adding that colleagues like Penny Mordaunt would still be MPs today if he had stayed longer in France.

* She said many Tories were clearly still traumatised. She said Suella Braverman, former home secretary, appears to be having a 'very public' nervous breakdown

* She said Sunak should stay on to ensure an orderly transition to his successor

* She was said to be speaking for colleagues, particularly former ministers who had lost their seats. She spoke of the importance of shadow cabinet discussions not being leaked.



The final sentence is one of the great comedy punchlines.

I wud say Charlie is a chancer........lashed up every nite....waking up in a slumber hoping hes not late for work and explaining to the wife why he was suffering from brewers droop the night before

AA is the way to go imo

Weren't we reformed people that didn't want to insult others just because they have a different opinion?

I would say Charlie is not like that at all.

Edy wrong AGAIN as per

Can you please correct me and explain in what way I am wrong so I learn?

Are you a BOT Edy....on here whenever I am .....perhaps pure coincidence but I doubt it. U must be a 24/7 guy....when do you get your beauty sleep?????

I will be more than glad to explore my sleeping schedule together with you once you were kind and generous enough to help me learn where I was wrong with my 10:22 PM BST post.

But Im neither kind or generous Edy and never will be

good man Edy

Every day is a learning day

That's such a shame, DancingBraveTheBest. And you do not thrive to be a better and kind version of yourself either? You do not thrive for improvement?

It is ambition and a will to improve ourselves that should be our constant companions as we humans are on our journey through life imo.

Most certainly not.......improvement is over rated....once you get on that slippery slope there is only one way you can go. I prefer stagnation

Jul 16, 2024 -- 4:37PM, Foinavon wrote:

I would say Charlie is not like that at all.

I agree. For someone who, according to some people, is constantly (heavily) drunk, he also certainly carries himself rather well in terms of grammar and spelling, but also in terms of thinking logically (for a leftie anyway),critically and in terms of communicating his thoughts. Without a doubt even allegedly heavily drunk Charlie is above average in those departments.

According to some....not all

DancingBraveTheBest • July 16, 2024 11:00 PM BST
Most certainly not.......improvement is over rated....once you get on that slippery slope there is only one way you can go. I prefer stagnationPlain

To infinity and beyond! Towards glory! Towards being a man that others look up to in awe while they mutter to themselves: "What a man, what a man, what a mighty good man! I want to be like that"

Off to bed now......not being smug but its not beauty sleep im going for.
VOTE REFORM UK....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7xIt-tnxcw

There is only one way it will go. For Lena to sing this song about you, not Pommeranian hunk Matthias Schweighöfer.

Correct edy, Charlie is well above average intelligence and has an analytical mind.

I can't make head nor tail of Jim Mc Alaistair (TUV). He declined joining Reform but wants to align himself with them in what seems mostly Northern Ireland being part of the UK again(???)

The trouble with that is it seems to be ignoring the brexit voters who could only get brexit half done by going the route to date.

Do Reform want to dump brexit so and go with their own version?

Surely an airy fairy policy as legally binding now?

Why would Reform have a Whip if they only gave 5 MP’s.

Aren’t they a Limited Company rather than a political party?

They are the Brexit party but made a complete hames of it so a name change for the dafties?

Yes so when are they going to get Brexit dun?

They aren't,they gave you what you have now,job done. Before anyone says but they wanted a no deal brexit,yes they did and do you think you would be even worse off?

You are supposed to forget about that and only concentrate on the issue of the day with them, a kinda throwback to when the Great came before Britain and all those immigrants.

They are nearly all the same! haha.

There will be many on here who will regret not voting for change at the recent GE in the coming years......immigration the past 10 yrs under the tories will be nothing to what Keir is planning......you were warned

Reform's immigration policy was a total non starter - an impossible soundbite.

What makes you say that Johnny??  Leave the ECHR and then you can do what you like with ILLEGAL immigrants entering your country.

Reform could promise the earth. Could say zero immigration, Freddoes back to 10p. None of it mattered cos they knew they were never going to be elected. We saw how Farage fell to bits when his policies were scrutinised and his job for the next five years is learning from that. He's spent his career being a minor politician on the sidelines busy telling everyone else what they're doing wrong but never having to test what he would do. Easiest gig in the world. He's got a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to become a proper one.

Reform have never held power in any shape or form so you remoaners are talking through smelly orifices.
What we have now is the result of a divided Tory party who promised one thing and delivered a mare. Any criticisms should be directed at them as brexiteers rightly do.

I didn’t really like Freddo’s even at 10p

Yes Foinavon the scale of incompetence of the Tories over the last 14 years has been devastating to our country

All the yeah but Diane Abbott nonsense by the lines of Dancing Brave is desperate rubbish. The Tories let in almost 800,000 immigrants on ONE YEAR

Yeah but!

Farage has a chance, albeit a slim one, of usurping the tories as the right wing alternative. But he's up against a huge machine. For both it's probably a case of who can best learn their lessons. If the tories keep listening to their members they'll forever be fringe and will be outflanked by other right wingers who don't feel the need to be so polite. For Reform, the need is to become a professional outfit that looks like it's fit to govern. They had a bit of a shambles with some of their candidates and members during this election and five years is a long time to go without one of them dropping a stinker, while he has to stop being such a crybaby about how everything is so unfair and how everyone who looks at him wrong should be sacked and maybe focus on the task at hand rather than running off to the Tea Party cranks overseas.

There is a basket of deplorables in every country. If a smart operator wants to take advantage of them for his own benefit it will not be difficult but it will split the right and possibly render them out of office and impotent. And if they is impotent they’s better look impotent and wear fancy hats.

One man's deplorable is another man's hero. Both Biden and Trump are both heroes and deplorables. Sunak is well, erm, somewhat squishy.

Nah

Maga really are deplorables. The Hindu BJP appeal to the same type of horrible people. France, Germany, Italy, Greece they all have them. They are purveyors of hate.

DBTB - on Reform's nonsensical and inhumane immigration policy.

1) You can't return anybody anywhere without the express agreement of the country accepting them.

2) How do you stop the boats mid channel ?  Do we do nothing and stand and watch dozens die or physically impede them until they sink and die in UK waters  ?

What would an acceptable number of deaths whilst making our new policy clear ? 

3) Would you remove all support to people arriving , forcing them into homelessness ,  a life of crime or the black economy.

They are YOUR deplorables Whispering, but they are heroes in the eyes of many. There are no absolutes in the world of politics and some would argue there are no absolutes in the world of morals as they are just abstractions and people live by different codes some official, some supposedly God given some not.

3 would be a good starting point Johnny......one of the main reasons why Britain is seen as attractive due to the amount of free bees awaiting on arrival. Make the UK as unattractive as possible to illegal immigrants and they will soon be paying to be smuggled back to whichever safe country they passed through to reach the UK.

Thou shall not covet thy neighbours wife

Thou shall but bear false witness

Thou shall not kill

Love thy neighbour

They are not just deplorable Foinavon but deplorable hypocrites

Regarding some of the above posts it is quite clear some have no respect whatsoever for the Reform Party. Probably the same people who pre July4th said Reform would not get any MPs. You are in for a shock come 2029......you read it here 1st

Usual dross from Dancing Brave

How many grannies did we send to  Iraq in 2003?

They are biblical ones Whispering and a lot of us live by them. I know people who think it moral to kill a Jew, others would kill a murderer, many think it's OK to kill an enemy in times of war. Where do you stand on those for example?

People are entitled to their opinion re Reform Dancing Brave,you may think the country needs a change from the mediocrity of the tory party of the last 14 years,they do indeed,they proved unfit for purpose with many problems unaddressed

While Reforms soundbites appeal to many they don't to others,the clip of them 'campaigning' on CH4 was quite shocking and they aren't people you want near any Government.

I think like others have posted they will be shown up for what they are sooner than later.

Reform = Tory, with immigration at the top of the agenda; Reform without its leader whose name has slipped my mind at the moment is no political Party.

UK Plc is soft and one of its main impediments is it's also an island, and isolated politically by the EU. Hence, UK Plc is at the mercy of mainland Europe.

Jul 17, 2024 -- 10:55AM, DancingBraveTheBest wrote:

Regarding some of the above posts it is quite clear some have no respect whatsoever for the Reform Party. Probably the same people who pre July4th said Reform would not get any MPs. You are in for a shock come 2029......you read it here 1st

My prediction is that Reform will get no seats in the next GE. You read it here first.

Jul 17, 2024 -- 10:55AM, DancingBraveTheBest wrote:

Regarding some of the above posts it is quite clear some have no respect whatsoever for the Reform Party. Probably the same people who pre July4th said Reform would not get any MPs. You are in for a shock come 2029......you read it here 1st

You are mistaken. Folks on here said Reform would not get any MPs pre Farage entering the race.

Some people thought Lee Anderson would get elected.

The clip on ch4 Lapsy was of a candidate who was a registered actor and who was immediately relieved of his duties with Reform. There are bad eggs in all walks of life, in all political parties. To tar the whole party with the same brush is a bit unfair

There were a few segments to that CH4 report, a few people,one actor(even if so which is denied), it is the broad base DB , not altogether wrong but a knee jerk reaction from toxic previous politics, the answer isn't extreme but listening to all,it can be done to an extent which is better than a fook up.

There are some very high and mighty judges in here who's views appear extreme left or extreme right

Their mantra is "Everyone is entitled to my opinion" .

The fact that such attitude is the very problem at the heart of the U K demise is beyond them.

They said an Englishmen's home is his castle.... now days its somebody else's !

I don’t believe in God Foinavon but was brought up on those beliefs.

I find it strange that the God Squad in Amrika, the Evangelical’s would support an unrepentant sinner like Chump.

I think they are hypocrites and people who support Populist politicians are simpleton’s who cannot figure out these people are just snake oil salesmen and charlatans only interested in themselves.

"people ....... are simpleton’s"

Unfortunately you need a measuring stick for judging that .....which is where your argument fails

Get Brexit Dun

Ask any of the morons what that means!

Why call people morons just cause they have a different opinion to you?? Also the dross you say I speak Whispering is dross that a lot of people I speak to agree with. The UK voted for Brexit but it was never implemented by the Tories like it was meant to be. The government say they cant stop illegal immigration.....well stopping all the free stuff would be a start.....how is that dross?? Mostly young fit men fleeing France....

Moron is quite suitable as is cretin

Perhaps one of the morons or cretins here can kindly explain to a simpleton like me what Brexit is?

C’mon Einstein

What is Brexit

Silencio no doubt

Perhaps you could start with what a proper Brexit is not?

If your not calling other people names you are calling yourself names.......what a strange person you appear to be. All the best but Im not conversing with you anymore ....adios

DancingBraveTheBest • July 18, 2024 12:28 PM BST
Why call people morons just cause they have a different opinion to you??

Sorry, can you please remind me what you said about Charlie just the other night?

Audios to you Dancing Brave. I don’t particularly enjoy conversing with racists like you or idiots who cannot think beyond a three word slogan.

I am not surprised you are running with your tail between your legs.

Please don’t bother posting any more of your stupidity on this forum or your lies.

Try answering a simple and honest question before you do.

Don’t expect an answer edy

He is a typical example of the dim witted racists on here.

Parrots it even though he has no idea what it means and runs for cover when questioned. Feels hurt when his intelligence is questioned and accuses others of name calling like the hypocrite he is.

Man up Dancing BRAVE?

What is Brexit?

Whisperingdeath18 Jul 24 12:49

Man up Dancing BRAVE?

What ?????

Sexist bar steward

Whisperingdeath • July 18, 2024 12:49 PM BST
Don’t expect an answer edy


With me not being British I am open to there being a finer nuance in British culture that leads to DancingBraveTheBest serially being all "Meanie said meanie things just because of different opinion. So sad." while being ok with himself insinuating that someone gets heavily drunk every night, that it was causing severe problems in daily life and that a visit to alcoholics anonymous would be the way to go.

I'd be fascinated to hear why there isn't a good bit of inconsistency here and I'd love to learn whether me writing something along the lines of

"DancingBraveTheBest sounds properly filled up with booze every single night.

Fun fact: Did you guys know that there are few readily available substances are as toxic to brain cells as ethanol? Explains a few things out there, does it not?"

would be appropriate or whether it would induce the "You are a meanie with your insults" reaction.

Apologies Iris

Quite clear now he is a gelding!

One of my best friends wife is an immigrant from Abuja......she contributes enormously to this country through her work. I have an Albanian family living across the road from me.....the parents both work very hard long hours....fair play to them. We get along great and they are an asset to this country. If anyone can show me the racism here would be greatly appreciated. I have nothing but good things to say about these people and if you asked them about me I am sure they would say the same about me.

Funnily enough even the Albanian parents have said to me that immigration is out of control and needs to be curbed.

Yep my best friend is black!

Where are you from Edy? If not Britain you certainly seem to take a great interest in the country. Ta

I will be more than glad to share that with you after we explored the moron/alcoholic thing.