Hspital Bombed..

Oct 27, 2023 -- 6:57PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:

I reckon most people revert in time to "their side." That trait seems more pronounced with ardent supporters of Israel. I don't know what it is that sours them.I give you David Baddiel. Look him up.

100%, it feels a bit different here though as there seemed to be (from my perspective) quite a lot of ideologues who were pretty confused and some still are over who to support at least initially, it seemed a marked difference to every other big event post 2016 where ppl take their side straight away and never deviate, was strange to see.

One startling similarity is the vast amount of arrests in West Bank, it was 'internment' in NI.

50 years is a big difference indeed however i think talking about extremism it can be addressed but often only fed by atrocities.

Oct 27, 2023 -- 7:05PM, lapsy pa wrote:

One startling similarity is the vast amount of arrests in West Bank, it was 'internment' in NI.50 years is a big difference indeed however i think talking about extremism it can be addressed but often only fed by atrocities.

def some similarities.

would you say the troubles were mostly a religious or nationalistic cause? again im very naive on this but I'd guess that a larger amount of Irish than Palestinians reason for resistance was nationalism

No,it started from civil rights,Catholics followed the American Black rights marches lead in the 60's by protesting what they were dealt with.

They told them all to go south and completely destroyed the area,as seen on sky mudering thousands

Well I'd say this, a good few protestants will have supported the Green but probably Zero Catholics supported the Orange

Their bombing Syria daily as well and the media are saying feck all

Iran attacking US bases and the media are saying feck all

Utter scum that are going to get people killed over here as well

Blowing up all comms, filthy swine.

Egypt warns Israel
Not to carry out attacks along the Egypt Gaza border
totally shameless .. open the border crossing or pipe down

Thousands of people have broken into aid warehouses to grab basic survival items such as flour and hygiene kits, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNWRA) says

Yesterday they were saying no Aid had got through

60 odd trucks won't maintain 2+ million
would you say the troubles were mostly a religious or nationalistic cause? 
Neither next

They're eyeing up another hospital,14,000 people there warned the hospital to evacuate,this would be 4x  bigger than 9/11 in one hit there must be 1000s extra dead now the numbers will be crazy...and still the US and UK  no food,no water,electric,fuel..

https://twitter.com/robinet_ii/status/1718644899807961307

This is a difficult watch from the last hour on
@AJEnglish
(only trustworthy news channel right now)

This is terror and trauma.

@RishiSunak

@POTUS
I pray that you never know peace of heart and mind for what you've done.

Judging by the soundbites now with letting some aid through realise they have gone way too far.

A warcrime in itself to deprive people of food and water.

Hamas have food, water, fuel and weapons currently for balance.

No balance,the estimate is somewhere between 25-40k hamas fighters in a 2.3 million population.

If Hamas surrender weapons an engage in a serious peace process...(they are able to send ambassadors still all around the world it seems) we can start discussing aid and peaceful two state peace initiatives but their handlers will be very disappointed I assure you..

The alternative and likely path is the Israeli's are going to do what they want, the humanitarian aspect deteriorating rapidly and still allowed??

It is simply murder.

The Palestinians on the West Bank are engaged in what they thought would be a process towards a two-state solution and they have been unvaryingly treated like s**t by the Israelis.

I've seen nothing officially or otherwise from Hamas to suggest they have any serious intent to reduce this situation...

they have the ability to...and if they did so (somewhat weirdly) the world would side with them..


simply saying - world - stop the bombing when you hate the whole world beyond extreme elements of your world view (and even then it must be the right version) ...not so good..

Hospitals and civilians run out of stuff...check the tunnels before you claim the aid..

Balance?

The Israelis murdered 1900 Palestinians in 2014 in retaliation for the kidnapping and execution of 3 settlers.

By that ratio, Netenyahu needs to kill some 800,000 Palestinians to satisfy Israeli bloodlust.

Fifty-four Thai nationals are among the 220 hostages held by Hamas in Gaza, according to new figures released by the Israeli government. Almost all are believed to have been farm workers employed on the agricultural communities that bore the brunt of the terrorist attacks launched on southern Israel by the extremist organisation on 7 October.

Thais also made up the largest single group of foreign dead and missing, with 24 confirmed killed and 21 unaccounted for, the updated statistics revealed. In all, 1,400 people were killed in the attacks, mostly civilians.

Authorities in Bangkok have said that at least 33 of its nationals were killed and 18 wounded but that only 18 were among those taken hostage.

collateral damage ?

why would you not arrange deportation to Thailand (via Egypt) as a minimum,

why would you decapitate a Thai farm worker with a garden hoe - requiring multiple ingressions at the neck....

A divergence from the Palestinian civilians,ie women and children being denied food, water,medicine etc, it is a warcrime.

Hamas could end this right now. Release the hostages, guarantee Israels right to exist and forego any further acts of violence. This would stop. No more bombing. No more killing. But they won't do that. Ask yourselves why? When you're satisfied with the why... stop whining... You'll know exactly why people are dying and it's got nothing to do with Israeli intransigence. This is a fight which Hamas engineered and they've now got it. This is a fight which Hamas can stop.

I very much doubt there are more than 20k Hamas fighters,it wouldn't surprise me if it were even 10k Israel are just flattening every building
that way no where to go back to and with no food,water etc kills at least another 10,000 civilians by that alone they're going to kill 50,000 people leave a place totally decimated and 2.3 million as refugees...This was always the plan anyway,racist fanatics..

I wasn't being flippant or unsympathetic towards the Thai's Brentford, a small window to stop a total catastrophe now.

"End this"? Where does that leave the Palestinians in Gaza? Man have had a relative or neighbour murdered by the Israelis. Most of their homes have been bombed.

murder not ''kill'' civillians that's the words BBC would use for Palestinians and their propaganda..

Hamas have plenty of water, food and anything else..

have blown hundreds of millions on their 'freedom fighting' games...these are not freedom fighters...there are no parallels much as some like to find them between Hamas and the IRA..

the only similarity is that the only end game is moderates on both sides....

(and we are so far from that currently and Iran and now Russia in alliance with such freedom types as North Korea will make sure we don't get there)

"End this"? Where does that leave the Palestinians in Gaza?

Exactly where it leaves the 1.7 million Palestinians currently living and working in Israel. Free to live their lives in peace.

Thanks for the comedy.

Brent what if they haven't or very limited,ie enough for 25k?
The pictures are showing people at breaking poing,weeks of non stop bombing,tents, no washing or cleaning facilities,it is hell.

That's not much of a rebuttal.  Perhaps you've run out of lies and fantasies.

UN and Egypt should be able to arrange something...Saudis can fund it...


no one interested ...proper leverage from certain Arab nations would quickly resolve safe passage...

Egypt don't want them...Saudi, Qatar etc won't leverage currently (they might in due course)...


Iran wants the conflict to escalate in a controlled fashion (be careful what you wish for)...

Just for you, TheGoldenVision

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/oct/26/a-day-in-the-life-of-abed-salama-by-nathan-thrall-review-a-collision-in-closeup

The book examines a road accident on a West Bank highway between a truck and a bus full of excited Palestinian five-year-olds on a school outing. Seven people were killed: one teacher and six children

The narrative drive leads to only one place. He shows that the fatal accident was not merely the product of terrible weather and an act of gross negligence by the truck driver. He points instead to “the true origins of the calamity”. He names among other elements: “the separation wall and the permit system that forced a kindergarten class to take a long, dangerous detour to the edge of Ramallah”; the checkpoints “used to stem Palestinian movement and ease settler traffic at rush hour”; and “the absence of emergency services on one side of the separation wall”. All this was “bound to lead to tragedy”.


The culprit, in other words, is the occupation, a 56-year political project that is exacting a terrible human cost.

Yeah, free to live their lives in peace.

bit contrived tbh UB...


hoes on the neck are more effective ways of murdering people...

It's not "contrived", it happened.

UB... If a tragic road accident is the best example of Israeli mastery and over-bearing dominance that you can come up with... in the light of Hamas butchering 1500 women and children... I think you've either lost the plot or the argument.

without going full Partridge - he might as well blame the M25 on a Friday...

1695 people die on UK roads on average. If we weren't oppressively occupied,  the number may be less.

Their daily lives do not square with being free to live their lives in peace. But you don't care. You didn't believe what you posted anyway. Noone does.

Enjoy your glibfest TheGoldenVision.

Thank-you...

TGV 1 UB 0

well you certainly don't  UB...credibility arguments not for much when I've seen your posts and lack of interest in detail...

Another fact is 500  aid trucks were going into Gaza daily before this,almost zero now, what population needed this and WHY?

See that's the trouble.. 1-0 .. posters who are still thirteen in their heads think they're watching MOTD.

Because a fellow Muslim  country won't allow them through.

What if Israel aren't allowing them through?

Israelis murdering +500 Palestinians every day. You don't have an emotional response to that TheGoldenVision?

1500 women and children raped, butchered and beheaded.

Hamas long game ? - withholding aid to it's people with view to a long conflict ?

if you were Hamas and that was needed aid (apart from the slightly flippant and distasteful - put some powered paragliders on exchange and mart) how are you affording missile launchers and the missiles themselves...

incidentally if Israel's defences fail - they will be obliterated both by Hamas and Hezbolah and Yemen (Iran proxies) might join in...be interesting to see the uproar at that point...


oh there won't be one -  they started it...oppressors...

Palestinian PM on AlJaz tonight said that Israel are not going to finish Hamas, that is a miscalculation. Hamas is an integral part of the Palestinian proletariat. He said it twice. So where does that leave us?

What is the "golden ratio" then TheGoldenVision? In 2014 it was c 600:1. That equates to 900000 murdered Palestinians. How many do you think is enough?

TGV it is Israel blocking the aid.

He knows that. He's lying.

From Al Jazeera

The Israeli government has said that it will not prevent humanitarian aid from entering the blockaded Gaza Strip from Egypt, ...

Look it up.

I asked the question UB to call out his false claim, a pity resorting to that.

Id like to see the other countries in the Middle East offer a constructive solution that enables the Israelis to get rid of Hamas from their border and protect the citizens of Gaza.

This simple idea of a ceasefire with nothing else is totally unrealistic and naive.

18th of Oct TGV that was claimed ,29th today, you are wrong.

I looked it up - it's 11 days old news.  TheGoldenVision knows that. By its actions shall it be known.

Yeah, TheGoldenVision is lying.

GAZA, Oct 27 (Reuters) - A medical team and 10 aid trucks entered the Gaza Strip on Friday via the Rafah crossing with Egypt, carrying water, food and medicine, a Palestinian border official told Reuters.2 days ago

2 days ago... can you find anything from the last 5 minutes.

Give it up boys. Its not the Israelis fault. Admit it.

Ah fook off,10 trucks on Friday,what about the  500 trucks that were going in daily? you are full of it.

So we're agreed, Israel isn't stopping aid from entering Gaza?

You know it is,it is an act and you have been caught.

Sorry, but you said that Israel was preventing aid from reaching Gaza. The press release shows you were lying. The numbers may be down but as Egypt controls those numbers,  it's not Israels fault.

No whitewashing,you are as bad as Biden and the UK, and you most certainly will soon be.

No whitewashing,you are as bad as Biden and the UK, and you most certainly will soon be.

Don't really follow that logic but cheers anyway.

Whats wrong with the Uk?

Don't forget your unequivocal support for this mess.

What's wrong with the UK is its Govt giving unqualified support to Israel in advance. It makes the UK complicit in Israeli war crimes

The UK or mine?

UB dont be ridiculous.

Don't forget your unequivocal support for this mess

Like your unequivocal supportfor Hamas. It cuts both ways chum.

No, my support for Palestinian women and children, you are backers of an unproportional response.

What's wrong with the UK is its Govt giving unqualified support to Israel in advance.

It supported Israel after the Hamas attack on Israel.

It supported Israel after the Hamas attack on Israel.

Unconditionally. So now the Israelis waging war on a people without means to defend themselves, the UK Govt bears some responsibility for the kill-count.

Starmer too.

You are deluded if you think the Israelis care one jot for the UK govt opinion. From the moment the atrocity happened gaza was facing disaster and nobody on earth including Biden could stop it.

No, my support for Palestinian women and children, you are backers of an unproportional response.

What does that even mean? So if Israel had identified 1500 Palestinian men, women and children  and had taken them to one side  and raped, shot, butchered and otherwise destroyed them, you'd have agreed that was proportional? That would have been equitable? Are you nuts?

That's true, Dotchinite. In that respect, the UK Govt squandered its moral authority for nothing.

The USA has one special relationship. It is with Israel.

You accused me of supporting hamas,i set you straight re Palestinian women and children,not hard. You are just coming out with rubbish now same as your aid claims.

Calling for a ceasefire without a plan to punish Hamas is pointless unless of course you believe they should be allowed to get away with it. How would you hold Hamas to account UB?

people without means to defend themselves

Hamas has 25,000 fighters... that's quite a defence. Don't forget the thousands of rockets at their disposal. They're hardly defenceless.

You accused me of supporting hamas,i set you straight re Palestinian women and children,not hard. You are just coming out with rubbish now same as your aid claims.

Wow!

No water, no fuel, no medicines, no internet, no power, homeless, no defence .. poor people, the Israelis murder them if they move, and they murder them if they don't.

No water, no fuel, no medicines, no internet, no power, homeless, no defence .. poor people, the Israelis murder them if they move, and they murder them if they don't.

Moral... don't start a phwcking war.

Anyone who supports Israel is a racist,there can be no other reasoning the hating of muslims/brown people it's so very simple...Next it'll be Egypt/Lebanon like South Africa extended their racism to Namibia those racists in Israel were all for selling South Africa nuclear weapons and one of the few countries that never boycotted..They hate christians,mulims,blacks they are brought up on white supremacy,the evidence has been there fir decades undeniable,their put to get as much as they can all backed by the US and UK..Murdering racists..

On the 13th of October Israel had already planned the refugee position for Palestinians and that was official,cease fire complete red herring they will be chucked out they are flattening it completely...I wonder why the Saudis are storing all those weapons,it doesn't take much guessing who's going to have them,the Saudis are dirt,.

Anyone who supports Hamas is an anti-semite racist. They hate Christians and Jews. They are taught the supremacy of Islam and they wish to dominate the world. The evidence is there to see. It's even going on today in Azerbaijan with the expulsion of 100,000 christians. It can't be denied. Racist scum.

13th Octover was a week after the murderous Hamas attack on defenceless Israeli citizens and others.

Leftists always back the wrong side TGV, The Soviet Union, Castro, The IRA, Jihadists. It's most unfortunate, something to do with their mindset I suppose.

The rabbi of the Dagestani city of Derbent, Ovadia Isakov, told local media that the future of the estimated 300-400 Jewish families in Dagestan was in doubt. Jews have had a presence in the region since pre-Islamic times.

The religion of peace at it again.

Since Jews have been there since before Islam, I reckon all the Muslims oppressors should phuque off out and give it back to the oppressed Jewish population.

That's how it works isn't it.

Free Dagestan.

Another new week and the BBC, SKY, CNN, are rabbiting on about pointless semantics

Iran not getting mentioned, US bases being attacked absolutely no mention, Israel ignoring a UN vote to a ceasefire, China sending battle fleets no mention

The BBC are currently talking about a blocked road being unblocked and a hospital...

What's. the. fooking. point!

Muslim nutter is NHS doctor that lead riots
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/camilla-tominey-rages-at-jew-hate-as-nhs-doctor-found-to-be-jihad-demo-leader/vi-AA1j5oaS?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5b28ce7f1a6147ac810a5d5e677e8b68&ei=3
Imagine if one of this  patient was Jewish? who knows what he as done in the past.

Interesting:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/19/jewish-protest-israel-gaza-washington-dc

Re the bombed hospital:

  "Israel was originally blamed for the strike, but US and Israeli officials have contested that report, saying it was more likely a failed rocket fired by a militant group within Palestine.
None of those the Guardian spoke to were willing to accept that version of events, insisting that history indicated that Israel was the likely culprit.

Israel doesn’t have a record that gives you any reason to trust them,” said Ariel Gold, executive director of the National Fellowship of Reconciliation. “We know that their pattern is to obfuscate, lie and confuse when these things happen.”

Medea Benjamin, a veteran activist and founder of Code Pink, a women’s pro-peace group, pointed to a previous fatal strike on al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City during the 50-day war of 2014 as evidence of what she saw as Israel’s likely cullpability in Tuesday’s incident.

“Judging by their past, it was very likely it was Israel,” said Benjamin, who had visited Gaza six times as an aid worker, including after the al-Shifa bombing, over which Israel also denied responsibility. “I remember being horrified by the scenes and thinking how could Israel have done that.”

“How long is the US going to keep covering up for Israel’s crimes and paying for it? I think it’s hideous what Biden’s doing. He is giving cover for Israel’s bombing and killing thousands of civilians.”



Until an independent forensic investigation takes place, we just don't know.

Basing your judgement on a totally unrelated event a decade before sounds a shrewd way to behave.

Thank Allah that the Guardian spoke to “Medea Benjamin, a veteran activist and founder of Code Pink”

Some might try to look for satellite imagery, perhaps have journalists inside Gaza taking photos, looking for parts of the bomb.


Those silly fools, just speak to a few people who don’t trust Israel and print the conclusion in your left wing newspaper. The guardian readers will be quick to point out how biased Fox News or the daily mail is. Thankfully we have the Guardian to unearth the truth.

It doesn't look like the IDF have changed their playbook - obfuscate, lie, confuse..or at least, they're not convincing these people. Like I say, we just don't know who was responsible for this one..

Like I say, we just don't know who was responsible for this one

Actually we do.. if was a faulty Hamas rocket. Give it up.