Titanic Tourist Sub Missing

now a recovery mission

The oceanographer who first discovered the wreck also later discovered the Bismarck and refuses to say where it is because he considers the gross commercialization of the Titanic to be akin to grave robbing.

Air quality must be awful.

Building a filter was part of Apollo 13 survival.

previous trip - sub was 500 yds from titanic , but took 3 hours to find it

visability is bad

You’d have thought they’d have had a chain connecting to the ship.
Sea buoys are chained to the sea floor
The ship on the surface knows exactly where the wreck is, and they must have created a chain strong enough to withstand the pressure

Company my grandfather worked at during the war created ship anchor chains 2.5miles long, huge things.

The now-missing CEO of a company that takes passengers onboard a submersible to see the site of the Titanic wreckage once told how he refused to hire '50-year-old white guys' with military expertise because they are not 'inspirational.'

Woke costs lives!

Jun 22, 2023 -- 10:55AM, dustybin wrote:

Company my grandfather worked at during the war created ship anchor chains 2.5miles long, huge things.

2.5 miles seems a bit much :

1440ft or 439 metres looks like longest chain :
.
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-longest-and-heaviest-anchors-and-chains-used-by-the-ships-of-the-US-Navy

Firstly the Nimitz class has TWO anchors which are 30 tonnes EACH and are attached to 12 shots of chain (180 fathoms or 1,080 feet) or “shackles”. The steel links weigh 164 kilograms (360lbs) each which all up that adds roughly another 10+ tonnes when aboard.


When it comes to the length of the chain the Nimitz class is at 333 metres (1062ft) long. The longest chain however is now on the new class of aircraft carriers starting with the USS Gerald R. Ford. This new class has a chain length of 1440 ft or 439 metres.

Your hardly going to want to have a chain above you running for miles that you can't see when negotiating your way around a mssive shipwreck site.

TL

I can’t find any reference to it online but it was real because I have a photo in one of my books on the history of steel manufacturing.
If I recall which book it was in I’ll post it.

Sheffield were the manufacturers of specialist equipment…there was nowhere that could create the things created in Sheffield, even mass carbon steel cities used to come to Sheffield for the equipment they needed to cut their own steel.
Armour plate, ship hulls, crankshafts, anchors etc they all came here for them.
Largest ingot ever created was in Sheffield too.

The freakish length was just an example…I wouldn’t have suggested that sort of chain, the links were as big as a man

Oxygen has run out, this should be the last time the UK/US award a license to these companies.

There are a number of issues that will need to be addressed. Sadly Dusty is right in some of his assertations not matter how disgusting they appear.

Ten years from now there will be another entrepreneur offering dives in a submersible to view the Titanic with a bonus trip to view the resting place of the Titan

WD

I didn’t say I hoped they died, I said I think they deserve to.

If you read about the list of issues ppl brought against this vessel how can you not determine it was unreliable risky for them to sign something referring to ‘experimental’?
Even the glass at the front wouldn’t be authorised to be able to go to that depth by those would manufactured it.

*unbelievably

Who manufactured
Ffs the predictive type

Fair play to the CEO imo. We only move forward when people like this push the limits of engineering, sometimes too far

The only thing you can say is he went down on it
But what exactly did they learn, other than you need to get a certification from the authorities?

The biggest lesson is for the Billionaires!

I do support the pushing of limits but they were playing Russian Roulette and lost.

We learned a way to study the ocean that works but is dangerous, id like to think his work will still be of use to someone.

The billionaires signed a waiver and gave their money and lives to science. Thanks i suppose.

We learned that there weren't enough good puns to go with this one. A disappointing haul.

Dusty, it's proven that people who are cruel to animals often go on to be cruel or abusive to humans, possibly even murder.

That's because normal functioning brains are not compatible with cruelly harming animals for sport.

That includes firing pellet guns Etc at birds for no reason other than being a Cant.

Hth.

BREAKING: A “debris field” has been discovered within the search area for missing submersible Titan by a remotely-operated vehicle near the wreckage of the Titanic, the US Coast Guard said.

imploded ?

BREAKING: A “debris field” has been discovered within the search area for missing submersible Titan by a remotely-operated vehicle near the wreckage of the Titanic, the US Coast Guard said.

imploded ?

Might have found part of the titanic...

No pecker, didn’t help much
Considering all my years and the number of animals and humans I’ve encountered and the only time I handled a rifle I aimed and shot a scavenger (great shot btw) with a pellet.

Shot didn’t even have the power to kill it, was a shot from distance.
Think it just annoyed it…it was the dog’s jaws that killed it.

Doc interviewed earlier was certain of "a structural failure... all aboard ... turned into biomass" ...


www.youtube.com/live/uJgYFwhATb0?feature=share&t=2305

At least if that is correct it was quick ^ They were never likely to get them up from the seabed anytime soon.

All them planes flying round searching. Youll never guess where we found it

Knock knock, was not them every 30 minutes ??

Dusty, ok, your not a potential mass murderer

lux 22 Jun 23 17:22 
Doc interviewed earlier was certain of "a structural failure... all aboard ... turned into biomass"

..................


How come fish don't implode down there

Those knocks were Jack trying to get rescued, similar to Clooneys character in Gravity knocking on the shuttle hatch

Jacks in for a shock when he finds out it's 2023, and once he's seen the state of what society has become he'll sling himself back in the north Atlantic

Very sad.

Guy on sky has been told they found back of sub and rack it sits on.

Agreed Charlie,

The stories of the individuals is coming out not. Some great guests on Sky News today

Jun 22, 2023 -- 5:49PM, saddo wrote:

lux 22 Jun 23 17:22

^^^ Because the fish have always lived there, and the body and internal organs are at the same pressure as the water around them ....hth

and the Unions!

and RNLI

So the knocking has stopped?

It was every 30 minutes ?

But debris suggest some disintegration on landing ?

So they crash landed but survived and couldn't rise up again ?

Confused

The media will make it all sound illogical it's their job

The thing imploded days ago end of

Friend of passenger confirms its the sub?

Why is a random friend telling the media that and the media are reporting it as confirmation?

Why aren't the authorities confirming it to the media and the public?

Friend and expert?

Expert in what?

OceanGate statement in full
And here's the full statement from the company.

"We now believe that our CEO Stockton Rush, Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman Dawood, Hamish Harding, and Paul-Henri Nargeolet, have sadly been lost.

These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans. Our hearts are with these five souls and every member of their families during this tragic time. We grieve the loss of life and joy they brought to everyone they knew.

This is an extremely sad time for our dedicated employees who are exhausted and grieving deeply over this loss. The entire OceanGate family is deeply grateful for the countless men and women from multiple organisations of the international community who expedited wide-ranging resources and have worked so very hard on this mission.

We appreciate their commitment to finding these five explorers, and their days and nights of tireless work in support of our crew and their families.

This is a very sad time for the entire explorer community, and for each of the family members of those lost at sea.

We respectfully ask that the privacy of these families be respected during this most painful time."

It is bad news. It points to the scenario experts had feared right from the outset - that the Titan had experienced a catastrophic failure of its pressure vessel and imploded.

The pressure at Titanic depth is immense - some 4,000 tons per square metre.

If there was any flaw in the construction of the vehicle, this force would have exploited it.

Search teams will continue to study the area where the debris was found, looking for further fragments.

For the moment, they will just be photographing items. But at some stage, robot subs will almost certainly be tasked with bringing some of the debris to the surface.

I'm glad it wasn't slow, the only good thing.

After 4 days of wall to wall coverage the inevitable happens

This story basically kept everything else out the news this week it's almost like that rare hike today doesn't exist

At least it was fast which was good

Instead of slowly suffocating in the dark which would have been horrible

Once the Pod failed would be very little left within seconds

Oceansgate? More like Heavensgate ffs

Boeing was not a partner in the construction of the Titan, it said Wednesday, despite a 2021 news release from OceanGate listing the aerospace company as a “partner” that provided “design and engineering support.”

“Boeing was not a partner on the Titan and did not design or build it,” the company said in a statement, declining to comment further about OceanGate’s assertions.

OceanGate couldn’t provide more information about its relationship with Boeing, it told CNN.

Similarly, the University of Washington said it was not involved in the design, engineering or testing of the submersible despite OceanGate’s claims in a 2021 court filing.

It was a ragtag outfit that just happened to luck it until this point with a design that withstood the depths but it was always going to give way eventually

They got complacent and overconfident because of past successes which as been said was down to luck more than quality engineering

To want to visit a 112 year old sunken ship is morbid at best

They knew they were almost certainly dead soon after they lost contact. The US Navy detected the implosion and informed the Coast Guard.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi60tvRwRlE

"Become a part of history"...................

The elephant in the room, which I’m sure everyone is thinking but nobody has yet asked…..

Are their heads in the debris?
It’s reasonable to assume that if they can determine parts of the fart tin they were in, that body parts are also observable.

I’m a cyclist that climbs mountain’s regularly and I’ve come across perhaps every animal in every conceivable position.
With heads, without heads, totally smeared everything
And I wonder what is down there now.

"Now, if you've got any toilet roll cardboard, some sticky back plastic and old tin cans please send them to Oceangate as we won't let this tragedy stop us exploring the hidden world below."

Obviously became a billionaire from taking risks

One too many ?

dustybin • June 23, 2023 6:51 AM BST
The elephant in the room, which I’m sure everyone is thinking but nobody has yet asked…..

Are their heads in the debris?
It’s reasonable to assume that if they can determine parts of the fart tin they were in, that body parts are also observable.

Under the extreme pressure of the deep ocean any body parts/soft tissue would be crushed to the size of a pinhead

We went on a submarine thing in cook islands to see
wreck and reef life.

It didn't fully submerge but if you went downstairs
it felt like you were underwater.

Very clostrophobic and super hot, most folk ended
up on deck, but the views were superb.

Great to leave the door open to get out though.


https://cookislands.travel/supplier/raro-reef-sub

This might give a clue to how they died, from a 1983 deep sea diving accident.



Medical investigations were carried out on the remains of the four divers. The most notable finding was the presence of large amounts of fat in large arteries and veins and in the cardiac chambers, as well as intravascular fat in organs, especially the liver. This fat was unlikely to be embolic, but must have precipitated from the blood in situ. The autopsy suggested that rapid bubble formation in the blood denatured the lipoprotein complexes, rendering the lipids insoluble. The blood of the three divers left intact inside the chambers likely boiled instantly, stopping their circulation. The fourth diver was dismembered and mutilated by the blast forcing him out through the partially blocked doorway and would have died instantly. 

Coward, Lucas, and Bergersen were exposed to the effects of explosive decompression and died in the positions indicated by the diagram. Investigation by forensic pathologists determined that Hellevik, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient and in the process of moving to secure the inner door, was forced through the crescent-shaped opening measuring 60 centimetres (24 in) long created by the jammed interior trunk door. With the escaping air and pressure, it included bisection of his thoracoabdominal cavity, which resulted in fragmentation of his body, followed by expulsion of all of the internal organs of his chest and abdomen, except the trachea and a section of small intestine, and of the thoracic spine. These were projected some distance, one section being found 10 metres (30 ft) vertically above the exterior pressure door.

quite graphic that

Fish food most likely so not much to recover, except bits for DNA analysis.

Now they knew it imploded Monday but decided to run with a rescue storyline all week for media consumption

Now we've got a film director parading himself as the all knowing expert

The world's gone loopy

IMO they got some cheek.
The often used rhetoric is that this was innovation in action though I’d contest they learned nowt from it other than for the need to get certification)
But the argument has been made that in international waters there are no regulations so who would control such actions…

Well they didn’t fanny around when they realised they were in the sh1t, they knew exactly who they wanted help from-the nearest coastguard.

The resources used and finances wasted to locate and ultimately rescue this sub. and its occupants is grotesque.
I agree with the lady on the tv this morning.  Possibly compares to mounting a massive rescue of a climber on Ben Nevis who went up wearing flip flops and jeans with rain forecast.
Absolutely ridiculous that seemingly sane people should take such risks and, not give a fig for the dangers they might put rescuers in.

Cider • June 20, 2023 6:34 PM BST

Who is it that this is the story to flood the news with for a few days. What a weird world. These people are already dead.

It was patently obvious gaslighting. Love the touch about the banging sounds.

Another example of why MSM can't be trusted.

Special mention to the beeb for likening it to MH370 and explaining travel insurance won't cover this.

RIP to those who died, hopefully they understood the risks, the contraption that they trusted looked a bit Heath Robinson.

Wot about Diane Abbot?

Jun 23, 2023 -- 1:42PM, LoyalHoncho wrote:

The resources used and finances wasted to locate and ultimately rescue this sub. and its occupants is grotesque.I agree with the lady on the tv this morning.

Reply to loyal honcho ..Exactly

If people want to put themselves at risk like this let them, but don't expect a massive tax paid funded operation to rescue ya sorry ar3es after.

Explorer is fine, go and explore but do it at your own peril

The media are doing a hatchet job on the dead CEO though ffs

He's dead now so him rest ffs, his own flippancy got him killed so leave it that

Didn't take long to go from mourning and respect their families to the blame game eh

I think they do it at their own peril. The rescue operation imho was a disguised way to test their capabilities. They knew they were dead. They were testing themselves in the black arts underwater.

When people say ‘they’d not have known anything about it’…I find that hard to believe.
Sure it was the last thing they knew, but nerves fire extremely quickly, their brains will have been inundated with pain messages.
The question would have been for how long?
And nobody knows the answer to that.

Maybe lgbpt do

stomach ripped open
eyes pop out sockets
spine crushed

Eaten by crabs

Two and a half miles below sea-level crabs are crushtacean !

depends what kit the crabs were using I'd imagine....

All that money wasted when it couldv'e gone to Ukraine..

chip paper tomorrow

got way too much coverage as it was...

Ridonkulous that it's still occupying the first 8 minutes of 'news' on tv.

I do think western news coverage (BBC, CNN, Euronews etc) almost invite the nutter critique when we've spent a week covering this but beyond the earthquake have barely mentioned Syria for 5 years or more....if you can't stick a **** in a silly outfit with PRESS written on it we barely bother anymore...

Fine point.

Pointless a billionaire and a millionaire families suing for loss! Company no doubt will be going bust in any case. Definite case of negligence imho.

Despite the glee shown on here by some this is a sad case. Despite the recklessness the CEO walked the walk. He had belief and overlooked the obvious not so much dangers but realities that were pinpointed by associates.

They were pushing the boundaries but there are better craft that went down further so I am guessing they pushed the dream and were underfunded.

I do think it is time to leave the Titanic and the souls on aboard to rest in peace. They have learnt as much as they need to from the wreck. Funding their experiment through ghoulish danger tourism is not right imho.

.....and they berate the greek costguard

*coastguard

I was led to believe the pressure would have crushed everything once that DIY Titan fart tin came apart
Not so, most of the sub is still in sections,infact you might be able to put it back together given the pics

So tell us how much of their bodies were found?

A perfectly normal question that everyone isint asking

So the pressure change would have done what to their bodies ?

Torn them apart ?

shrunk them ?



Personally I wouldn't want to know

Human remains found inside

I knew it
Ppl trying to distort fact with nonsense, saying they’d not have known anything or that they’d have just vanished.

They knew nothing, a nano second and gone, brain knew nothing.

That's what the expert said.

You've stepped up from shooting at Magpie's, searching for gory details.

I’m not searching for anything, I’m just sick to death about hearing a sterilised version of the truth just to make it appear more palatable.

They knew.

Experts

I remember ‘experts’ used to claim man was made in God’s I agile and all sorts of other made up c rap

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