German Sausage Crisis

keine Wurst? Das ist nicht moeglich.

Edy doesn't eat sausages so won't be bothered.

I’m bovered!

Don’t get me wrong I love an English pork Sanger as much as the next Convict but German Sausage is good too!

I thought Edy favoured the Pork Sword ?

How has it come to this for this once great nation ?

I remember finding a manual / guide
Issued by the Ministry of War during WW2 - to prepare the British
before visiting Berlin .

One of the things it said was that ‘ They are brutal .. but make excellent sausages ‘

also , ‘ the woman are not to be trusted, they struggle to control their feelings
and can fly into a rage if things go wrong ‘

It also urges British soldiers to give orders in a firm military manner ‘
as the German civilian is used to it and expects it

However it did say that the Germans make excellent sausages , and their beer
‘ is one of the pleasantest in Europe

In the section on ‘What the Germans think of us ‘
It says ‘ they admire the British ‘ and that
‘ Even Hitler had a grudging respect for us ‘

Many visitors worked in the Industry , Seems many of today's arrivals wont to work with Pork ,The money is not bad from what I heard

Oh no! You can't take the sausage away from the German. There was big time major uproar when the Schleswig-Holstein Greens a decade or so ago proposed to have one day without a meat offering in state-run canteens. Reading the opponents, you'd have thought the Greens had suggested something truly tragic and unhealthy for human life like introducing a day where only Scottish cuisine is served.

Haggis is the king of sausages, I'm sure you would love it.

“introducing a day where only Scottish cuisine is served.”

A day of deep fried mars bars & 12 year old single malts.
Not a total disaster, suspect that the following morning I would be very hungry & have a headache .

Feb 20, 2023 -- 2:53PM, Foinavon wrote:

Haggis is the king of sausages, I'm sure you would love it.

Hmm.......not sure I share your optimism on this....

This is the wurst news I've heard today.

Sausages are bad for the climate ,climate change is our motivation to sell these products.

LIDL Ireland  “INSECT BURGERS” Mmade OF metalwork larvae

“may cause allergic reactions” in customers with have allergies to molluscs, dust mites, or crustaceans

China

oh no, shiny! You will soon be force fed insects!

Do folk really not realise they are already eating insects all the time?

edy.do these bug's fly themselves from Vietnamese?   climate change

Too tip.. Vietnam was soaked with agent orange chemical.
May not be the best idea,

Have you calculated the co2 balance of a dutch cow vs. shipped insects?

Nice to learn you are one of those eco hippies that are even against all and any imports from overseas though.

Why do you think they choose Vietnam?

climate change is our motivation to sell these products

already eating insects all the time?  wear a visor or go blind

A Dutch cow is fuelled by bio-fuel, it's totally green.

Feb 26, 2023 -- 12:46PM, shiny new shoes please wrote:

Why do you think they choose Vietnam?climate change is our motivation to sell these products  already eating insects all the time?

Everybody who ever eats food, be it mass produced in factories or veggies and fruits eats insects, insect parts or insect excrements all the friggin' time.

shiny new shoes please • February 26, 2023 12:46 PM GMT
Why do you think they choose Vietnam?

Tell me!

Feb 26, 2023 -- 12:47PM, Foinavon wrote:

A Dutch cow is fuelled by bio-fuel, it's totally green.

That's only the happy Irish range cow that only ever stands on a field and happily munches on luscious grass.
The dutch cow is cow rights violation.

They adulterate the petrol I buy with ethanol to "save the planet" even a Dutch cow can not be less green than that.

How many extra points for insects ?
Better Health: Rewards App, unlock rewards when they achieve certain goals.
Feed me data

do you think the food vouchers rewards will be insect linked ?
Can't be meat can it ?
Insane In The Brain

shiny new shoes please • February 26, 2023 12:46 PM GMT
Why do you think they choose Vietnam?

Tell me!

So they kill the Dutch cows and flood the pastures or build houses for migrants on it then import soya beans from Brazil grown where the rain forest used to be to make veggie burgers for the Dutch to eat? How green is that?

Feb 26, 2023 -- 1:04PM, Foinavon wrote:

So they kill the Dutch cows and flood the pastures or build houses for migrants on it then import soya beans from Brazil grown where the rain forest used to be to make veggie burgers for the Dutch to eat? How green is that?

That is indeed not cool, but at the same time it would be a far better point if those dutch cows weren't previously fed with the same soy beans, and that being less efficient than simply directly feeding humans with those soy beans instead.

After all, data suggests that about 75 to 80% of the global soy bean production goes to livestock.

The answer then is to feed the Dutch cows will European silage and leave the rain forest alone. Also, stop using agricultural land to grow beets and sugar cane to make ethanol for fuel and grow food instead.

Thing is....can the demand for meat, and cheap meat at that, be satisfied if you do that? Especially so if you also want to feed humans European crops instead of rain forest destroying crops.

In the long run, if you want to keep meeting meat demands, along with not committing constant cow rights violations, you probably need to find offer some more efficient livestock like insects.

Why do people like shiny make the impression that they want to oppress others from having the choice?

It's bad enough that the EU is in the pockets of the meat farmers and throttles the introduction of insect based foods for those that deem it a good idea. Then you have an armada of people like shiny that seem to straight oppress the choice.

Of course if price is left to regulate supply and demand as it does in pure capitalist systems. socialist price controls usually end in shortages. Spoilt western societies seem to want to only eat prime muscle resulting in a lot of waste, there is more to a Dutch cow than milk and steak.

Im all for choice edy.. some people change like the wind .The jabbers

Tell me!
££££ edy , always follow the ££££..
new law? mean more types of insect can now be processed into food.

So how many extra health points should people be awarded for setting the bugs,and saving the planet?

None.

Can you explain the Vietnam thing in a bit more detail than "££££"?

Feb 26, 2023 -- 1:22PM, Foinavon wrote:

Of course if price is left to regulate supply and demand as it does in pure capitalist systems. socialist price controls usually end in shortages. Spoilt western societies seem to want to only eat prime muscle resulting in a lot of waste, there is more to a Dutch cow than milk and steak.

Meat is currently heavily subsidised.

If people want to eat insects then let them eat ants dipped in chocolate, that's all well and good. I feel an allergy to arthropods coming on already.

Good that you are for choice, shiny. Then stop constantly boring everyone with your stuff that makes it look like you want to oppress choice.

Why are a certain kind of people all simultanously terribly concerned with the introduction of insects as a food option? Are you seriously scared you'll be force fed them?

Lets hope we don't eat our way thru the New insects discovered in Vietnam

Football time

Ok, you can come back to explain the Vietnam thing beyond "££££" after the soccerball.

Meat is currently heavily subsidised.

My point, and look where it is leading us all. They are doing the same with energy and I have forbodings over that.

Europeans have been socialised over decades that they demand cheap and readily available meat, and as you say only the prime parts, wasting the rest. If politics started a process where the customer actually, and suddenly, has to pay the real price for their meat, there'd be scenes mimicking the apocalypse.

Not is they were left to spend their own money as they wish instead of it being confiscated to pay the subsidies to agriculture.
I guess you were all well-fed in the socialist paradise by the planned economy they were so proud of.

I wasn't getting at CAP. I was getting at overall society carrying e.g. the environmental cost of livestock without it being considered in the price in any way at all.

And that's not something I see the most concerned pure capitalist free trade radicals being eager to have a go at.

Poor and convinced vegans have to subsidise the meat gluttony of others. If I was an esoteric vegan hippie I'd find that unbearable.

How do you calculate that edy? Who will decide the criteria? What about the environmental cost of humans? I wonder if Lenin, Stalin and Chairman Mao were taking that into consideration during their purges and great leaps forward?

You calculate that by forming a commission that decides the environmental costs. It's not going to be definitive and precise to the cent calculations, but like in lots of other set costs it doesn't need to be.

And it's certainly better than completely ignoring it and overall society having to subsidise it completely.

Commissions never decide anything worthwhile because of muh politics and the lowest common denominator.
The Dutch cow is green, let it be. You become a soy boy, I will eat a nice plate of fried liver.

So the lowest common denominator like let's say the meat consumers paying say 25% of the actual environmental cost is still better than them being completely subsidised.

You just made that number up

Yes, I single-handedly decided that I already do not deem a worthless exercise if meat consumers pay as little as 25% of the environmental costs. Sometimes you gotta be able to accept that something is worthwhile even if it's just an improvement of the current situation instead of a homerun.

Of the environmental cost of the meat they consume of course. Not all all environmental costs ever in all flights of life.

I don't mind prices reflecting the real cost, it's just how the environmental aspect can be calculated in the context of everything else that happens on the earth and who decides the difficult aspects such as might it be better to have fewer humans by perhaps culling the oldies (or has that recently been tried)? How do you balance meat-eaters against veggies on your committee? Are bird sanctuaries more important than fish for humans?
When the environmental cost has been determined and included in the price, what happens to the extra money? Does it line committee members' pockets and buy more tanks or does it somehow "purify" the environment (or all three)? Gosh, so many questions.

Indeed very many questions. That's why you form a committee of all the best environmental economists. Don't be such a naysayer. Didn't see you be such a dithering merchant of doubt regarding e.g. Brexit.

Sorry edy, I was called to prayer at the dining table. Meat and fish were available but no tofu or quinoa.
Yes, my life is a conundrum. I'm a capitalist brexiteer in a remoaner led Eurocommunist country, a caucasian in a now south Asian district and an atheist in a black Christian household. (I did actually choose the latter).
There are still unanswered questions, particularly about the planned socialist paradise on earth. You say you have lived in it so the answers should be on the tip of your tongue. I have only visited a part of it and I must say I wasn't impressed even though our hosts made a really special effort to procure a few slices of Polish Wurst for us.

What some anglophone commentators tend to defame as "planned socialist paradise" and get hysterical about is nothing more than a social market economy like you have in the nordic countries.

Signed,
someone who, unlike much of the UK and especially US, doesn't just use socialism and marxism as buzzwords for basically everything that isn't unfettered, unregulated markets and anything resembling a welfare system or things like publically financed infrastructure.

I would imagine after screwing sri Lanka & co. We needed a good story so
We decided the cheap labour (slavery) would benefit our agenda
strengthening cooperation with Vietnam in developing the green buzz
preparing the Low-carbon Agriculture Value Chain Development Project following VNSAT.
Funny the fox is guarding the hen house again

youtube.com/watch?v=_NlrsmEvv1Q
1-2 good game

Wait? Did "we" need a good story or did "we" need a story about slave labour and exploitation?

I'll admit that the beetroot and potato salad we were served every day was healthy and delicious. Those lovely people did try their best and I have fond memories. We even had a ride in an ancient Lada which was quite an experience on wet cobbles and tram tracks with the yellow fuel light on. Even after a fuel stop with the aid of a few Western currency notes the fuel light was still on.
The centre of Warsaw was impressive as it had been lovingly restored brick by brick using old photographs from the pile of rubble left by the Nazis. There was also a Chopin concert in the park on Sunday. Less interesting was a huge concrete office block in the centre of the city in classical Soviet style and the extensive concrete blocks of flats in which the proletariat lived.
Does any of that sound familiar edy?

https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2022-11/olaf-scholz-vietnam-asien-reise-china

This piece I read some time ago suggests Vietnam is increasingly chosen as a partner to reduce the reliance on China at least a little bit. Maybe have a read too, shiny.

Feb 26, 2023 -- 5:04PM, Foinavon wrote:

I'll admit that the beetroot and potato salad we were served every day was healthy and delicious. Those lovely people did try their best and I have fond memories. We even had a ride in an ancient Lada which was quite an experience on wet cobbles and tram tracks with the yellow fuel light on. Even after a fuel stop with the aid of a few Western currency notes the fuel light was still on. The centre of Warsaw was impressive as it had been lovingly restored brick by brick using old photographs from the pile of rubble left by the Nazis. There was also a Chopin concert in the park on Sunday. Less interesting was a huge concrete office block in the centre of the city in classical Soviet style and the extensive concrete blocks of flats in which the proletariat lived.Does any of that sound familiar edy?

Yes, so you know the hysterical talk of socialism and marxism by anglophone commentators/pundits is just BS.

edy • February 26, 2023 5:00 PM GMT

The growth model we do like models (covid) failed for decades  to take account of income returns to farmers
Which is slavery

I know lots of things and nothing edy, it's been interesting and given my future horizon I'm almost past caring. You are an intelligent person and can distinguish truth from propaganda, are you really asking me to explain?

I feel like you were trying to give a distorted version of the EU, but feel free to expand, sure.

Mrs.shiny wants some bloody steak
Vietnam’s farmers incomes has decreased over decades ,unbelievable jeff.

Possibly funny story on concrete blocks btw.: Der Schwarze Kanal, chief propagandist pogramme on GDR television, liked to visit concrete blocks in western Germany and give the message of how miserably these people lived. Swathes of people in the GDR, especially away from the big cities, must have been like: "Hey, we'd like to live that luxuriously". Certainly my parents were when they viewed that programme.

Feb 26, 2023 -- 5:19PM, shiny new shoes please wrote:

Mrs.shiny wants some bloody steak   Vietnam’s farmers incomes has decreased over decades ,unbelievable jeff.

Does she exclusively buy the steak cut grass fed, free range Irish cattle owned by non-slave independent Irish farmers?

cut from

Did I mention the EU apart from the Nederlandse Kue which was your starter.
I referred to free markets and soviet style planned economies and the crazy idea that we should replace meat with insects. I don't knowingly distort the EU but give my impressions of it. I have lived in more than one EU country and have visited a number of them on business, working with colleagues continuously in those countries. Maybe I walked around with my eyes shut and know no more about continental Europe than the average Brexit voter. It's for you to decide, you only have my posts and a little extra info I shared privately with you.

edy • February 26, 2023 5:04 PM GMT
This piece I read some time ago suggests Vietnam is increasingly chosen as a partner
Yes edy.  You are encouraging slavery

So what, shiny? Not all of us do gooder virtue-signalling hippies.

Rice farming is the largest source of greenhouse gas emissions in Vietnam’s
Let's  restrict rice..lol

I'm not aware of anyone of note and anywhere near power wanting Soviet style planned economies.

What is actually so "crazy" about including insects as an additional source. Here, too, I'm not aware of people of note and near power thoroughly and completely wanting to replace red/white/whatever colour meat with insects btw.

And it's absolutely not going to happen. What I see happen is meat from actual animals eventually reaching their true price, meat from bioreactors becoming the primary meat and insects being an additional thing.

Times up med -rare
Rice is killing the planet

Ah yes, it wasn't done properly last time and it will be better the next time.
I think it will go a little further and faster than you imagine particularly in state-owned institutions like schools and universities. As I said, I'm all in favour of market forces and if that means buying less of the good stuff and less waste then that is OK by me. As for the concrete blocks, they were functional, austere and seemed rather poky to me but that depends on what you are used to.

It will not be better next time because nobody of note is trying to have a next time.

Well, maybe Putin maybe actually.

We'll see, or maybe not. That's all from me for now, edy, bye.

bye!

Loven de germanen sosagen. Burnten germanen bangeren und mashen, fastashtisch dishe. Dis shortagen ist depressen. Damen costen liven crisessen und var inne ukrainnen, nutte mentionen expanden energen costen.

No Doubten black foresten gateuen ist nexten furre crisessen.