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Report akabula June 28, 2022 4:37 PM BST
Implying is it? God knows how your brain works.
Must be addled with all this SNP nonsense.

Going to hurt you hard when Sturgeon fails. Laugh
Report lfc1971 June 28, 2022 4:38 PM BST
James Hamilton is from the south of Ireland
Therefore any thoughts he might have on any given subject
Must be treated with a fair degree of suspicion
Such individuals are obviously not independent or unbiased , sorry
Report akabula June 28, 2022 4:39 PM BST
lapsy is from Cork so we can forgive him.
Report politicspunter June 28, 2022 4:41 PM BST

Jun 28, 2022 -- 4:37PM, akabula wrote:


Implying is it? God knows how your brain works.Must be addled with all this SNP nonsense.Going to hurt you hard when Sturgeon fails.


Here is your opportunity. Do you consider James Hamilton and/or the Lord Advocate of Scotland to be corrupt?

Report lfc1971 June 28, 2022 4:42 PM BST
Now let’s get this clear - everyone living in Scotland today has lived in Scotland as part of Britain
That’s also true of people in England and - nothing can legally change - without Englands consent
Report lapsy pa June 28, 2022 4:42 PM BST
Chalk it down!

What is being done to the majority in the North of Ireland is the lesson for everyone.

Their relative success is being stymied by lies re the true situation there.

They would do the same to anyone else.
Report lfc1971 June 28, 2022 4:44 PM BST
Lapsy be careful Britain doesn’t cut the south of Ireland afloat
Report akabula June 28, 2022 4:45 PM BST
https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/1541808028806254595/video/1

He's got a point btw Laugh
Report politicspunter June 28, 2022 4:47 PM BST
Here is your opportunity. Do you consider James Hamilton and/or the Lord Advocate of Scotland to be corrupt?
Report lfc1971 June 28, 2022 4:48 PM BST
By the way , if Scotland are thinking of leaving
Let us know how much of the debt they will pay back - before they leave
Thankyou
Report akabula June 28, 2022 4:50 PM BST
Blackford has just tweeted that the date for the referendum is
the 19th of October 2024. What a clown the Lard of the Isles is.
Report lfc1971 June 28, 2022 4:54 PM BST
With regard to anyone who has any input into British affairs
No one from a country hostile to Britain , such as the south of Ireland
should have any input on any subject -obviously
Report akabula June 28, 2022 4:54 PM BST
Is Hughie Green still alive.
Opportunity knocks.
Report lapsy pa June 28, 2022 4:58 PM BST
Ah now lads,no need to be like that.

Scotland will probably still be in the Union....



The EU's one Laugh
Report akabula June 28, 2022 5:04 PM BST
There is more chance of you getting into Oxford or Cambridge
than there is of Scotland being allowed to join the EU.
Report politicspunter June 28, 2022 5:07 PM BST
Akabula, here is your opportunity. Do you consider James Hamilton and/or the Lord Advocate of Scotland to be corrupt?
Report Timber June 28, 2022 5:08 PM BST
What currency are Scotland going to use??

Nobody has ever answered that pretty important question
Report lfc1971 June 28, 2022 5:13 PM BST
Boris forget about any referendum , they had one and lost
Now a referendum in Britain on closing down holyrood that would be best
Or executive order , don’t forget the Tower of London is still in business
Report politicspunter June 28, 2022 5:18 PM BST
Who cares what you say? You don't vote or recognise the democracy of the UK Parliament. Your political views are irrelevant.
Report Timber June 28, 2022 5:18 PM BST
Be great to see wee nippy in the Tower
Report lfc1971 June 28, 2022 5:22 PM BST
There’s no technical or legal reason why she shouldn’t be in the tower
( after a suitable and fair trial of course for treason )
We will be kind and serve her haggis !
Report lfc1971 June 28, 2022 5:26 PM BST
England cannot have enemies within its own borders ( Britain )
It’s just not something that can be allowed- and be under no illusion
The snp are just that - and will always be so
Report akabula June 28, 2022 5:27 PM BST
Timber
What currency are Scotland going to use??
Nobody has ever answered that pretty important question


Sit down Timber the question was answered on QT
by SNP MSP Emma Harper. She says that as we all
used our credit cards during the pandemic it
showed that we don't need a currency. Laugh
Thats genuine btw and they want to run my country.
Report akabula June 28, 2022 5:29 PM BST
malushka also suggested that the old Scottish pound
of over 300 years ago could be used. Laugh
Report Timber June 28, 2022 5:30 PM BST

Jun 28, 2022 -- 5:27PM, akabula wrote:


TimberWhat currency are Scotland going to use??Nobody has ever answered that pretty important questionSit down Timber the question was answered on QTby SNP MSP Emma Harper. She says that as we allused our credit cards during the pandemic itshowed that we don't need a currency. Thats genuine btw and they want to run my country.


LaughLaughLaugh ffs

Report Timber June 28, 2022 5:31 PM BST

Jun 28, 2022 -- 5:29PM, akabula wrote:


malushka also suggested that the old Scottish poundof over 300 years ago could be used.


Laugh Old Mushy is addled

Report akabula June 28, 2022 5:34 PM BST
mmmalushka31 May 22 11:58Joined: 30 Sep 02 | Topic/replies: 2,617 | Blogger: mmmalushka's blog

This Union is rotten and is slowly but surely coming to an end.
We already have a currency.

The pound Scots was the unit of currency in the Kingdom of Scotland before the kingdom unified with the Kingdom of England in 1707. It was introduced by David I, in the 12th century, on the model of English and French money, divided into 20 shillings, each of 12 pence.


Thats his post in all its glory. Problem solved. Hallelujah.
Report politicspunter June 28, 2022 5:35 PM BST
Akabula, here is your opportunity. Do you consider James Hamilton and/or the Lord Advocate of Scotland to be corrupt?
Report Timber June 28, 2022 5:37 PM BST

Jun 28, 2022 -- 5:34PM, akabula wrote:


mmmalushka31 May 22 11:58Joined: 30 Sep 02 | Topic/replies: 2,617 | Blogger: mmmalushka's blogThis Union is rotten and is slowly but surely coming to an end.We already have a currency.The pound Scots was the unit of currency in the Kingdom of Scotland before the kingdom unified with the Kingdom of England in 1707. It was introduced by David I, in the 12th century, on the model of English and French money, divided into 20 shillings, each of 12 pence.Thats his post in all its glory. Problem solved. Hallelujah.


Dear meLaugh

Report akabula June 28, 2022 5:38 PM BST
https://www.facebook.com/scotlandinunion/videos/snps-emma-harper-msp-on-currency/472909890187193/

Ms Harper should be our Finance Minister if we ever get independence.
Report politicspunter June 28, 2022 5:43 PM BST
Akabula, here is your opportunity. Do you consider James Hamilton and/or the Lord Advocate of Scotland to be corrupt?
Report mmmalushka June 28, 2022 5:48 PM BST


A dark day British Unionists.
Report lfc1971 June 28, 2022 5:49 PM BST
Will little krankies face be on the new Scottish pound ? !
Wouldn’t surprise one bit , she’s delusional arrest her Boris
Report mmmalushka June 28, 2022 5:53 PM BST
Report mmmalushka June 28, 2022 5:53 PM BST
Report akabula June 28, 2022 5:53 PM BST
Is it a once in a generation opportunity Polly?
Report politicspunter June 28, 2022 5:55 PM BST
Akabula, here is your opportunity. Do you consider James Hamilton and/or the Lord Advocate of Scotland to be corrupt?
Report akabula June 28, 2022 5:56 PM BST
mmmalushka31 May 22 11:58Joined: 30 Sep 02 | Topic/replies: 2,617 | Blogger: mmmalushka's blog

This Union is rotten and is slowly but surely coming to an end.
We already have a currency.

The pound Scots was the unit of currency in the Kingdom of Scotland before the kingdom unified with the Kingdom of England in 1707. It was introduced by David I, in the 12th century, on the model of English and French money, divided into 20 shillings, each of 12 pence.
Report lapsy pa June 28, 2022 6:13 PM BST
Jeez the cap doffers are getting royally rattled! Laugh


Deep down you know Nicola is right,Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU,the Scottish people must now be asked again as the goalposts have changed.

It's a historic day!
Report akabula June 28, 2022 6:20 PM BST
It's a historic day!

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report mmmalushka June 28, 2022 7:28 PM BST
It's not a good day to be a Bigot,Quislingingerer,Scotiaphobe or Vichyscotch.

Report akabula June 28, 2022 7:31 PM BST
Report akabula June 28, 2022 7:31 PM BST
Report akabula June 28, 2022 7:32 PM BST
I can see the sadness of 2014 all over again
Report akabula June 28, 2022 7:33 PM BST
Report akabula June 28, 2022 7:34 PM BST
Report casemoney June 28, 2022 7:38 PM BST
They not only have to win Indie they need a decent Majority , Less that 10 % Remainers will call for another Ref Plain
Report mmmalushka June 29, 2022 9:28 AM BST
Well we are the people and we say yes.
by weegingerdug
The First Minister began her much anticipated statement to Holyrood by quoting from the Scottish Claim of Right which affirmed the sovereign right of the Scottish people to choose the form of government best suited to their needs. She went on, quoting the late Canon Kenyon Wright who was instrumental in drafting that historic document which affirmed the right of the people of Scotland to choose a Scottish Parliament. Canon Wright observed, but what if the voice from Westminster says : “We say no and we are the state.” The canon retorted , “Well we say yes and we are the people.”

Right now the issue of another referendum is, as the First Minister noted, mired in questions of process which only benefit the anti-independence parties. This allows the likes of Douglas Ross and Anas Sarwar to focus on questions of process and the lawfulness or otherwise of another independence referendum and to side step questions on the substance of the matter. It is, as she correctly pointed out, vital to obtain legal clarity on the lawfulness of another referendum, otherwise all we get instead of addressing the actual issue of independence are anti-independence political opinions which the bulk of the Scottish media is only too happy to present as fact.

As a first step, the First Minister has written to Boris Johnson today in order to urge him to negotiate the terms of a Section 30 order with her in order to put the legality of the referendum beyond any doubt, the letter makes plain that Johnson’s actions to date “call into question the whole idea of the UK as a voluntary partnership.”

In order to avoid a long drawn out legal process, and to put pressure on Johnson, the letter also states that against the background of Johnson’s reluctance to respect the mandate given to the Scottish Parliament by the electorate of Scotland last year, ” the Lord Advocate has, following a request from me, decided to refer to the Supreme Court the question of whether Scottish Parliament legislation for such a referendum relates to reserved matters. The reference is being served on the Advocate General today.”

What this means is that the Conservative Government will be a party to the case and that Johnson and his allies cannot hide behind a case brought forward by some private individuals acting as British nationalist proxies. If the political pressure Nicola Sturgeon has now created forces Johnson to negotiate a Section 30 order, or if the Supreme court rules that the referendum bill is within the competence of Holyrood then all is well and good, the lawfulness of the referendum will have been put beyond any doubt and the referendum will take place on 19 October 2023 with the question “Should Scotland be an independent country?”

The fact that the referendum will be consultative does not diminish its standing, no matter what Douglas Ross might want us all to believe. In the UK all referendums are consultative. The 2014 referendum was consultative, as were the 2016 EU referendum, the 1999 devolution referendum and the 1979 Assembly referendum.

However if Johnson continues to refuse a Section 30 order and the Supreme Court rules that the Scottish Parliament does not have the right to implement the mandate given to it by the people of Scotland in a democratic election, this will be a ruling obtained by the Conservative government, and the Johnson government will stand revealed as holding the democratic will of the people of Scotland in contempt and of having destroyed the proud claim of traditional Scottish unionism, that Scotland is a partner nation in a voluntary union which the Scottish people have the right to end should they so choose. Scotland will have been told that it does not matter what it votes for, it is subject to the whims of a Prime Minister from a party which has not won an election in Scotland since the 1950s, a party with a mere six MPs in Scotland, four of whom have no confidence in the Prime Minister whom they want to hold Scotland hostage. This would change the nature of the independence debate at a stroke, it would no longer be a debate about what is the best form of government for Scotland, but would become a campaign to guarantee democracy itself.

Such a ruling will have seismic political effects. It will, as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out, not be the end of the matter, indeed as she said it would make the argument for independence in the strongest possible terms. The independence debate is a political debate not a legal debate. It is a debate which can only be settled with a democratic event, not with a court ruling. If the UK Supreme Court does indeed rule that it doesn’t matter what Scotland votes for, the anti-independence parties will be forced to defend a UK which explicitly denies Scottish democracy and we can add “a voluntary partnership of nations” to the long list of British nationalist lies along with Gordie Broon’s Vow, the Sewel Convention being given legal status, and the promise that only a No vote in 2014 could guarantee Scotland’s place in the European Union.

If the British state is foolish enough and arrogant enough to go down that democracy denying road then there will be consequences. The First Minister went further than many were expecting and made it clear that the people of Scotland will not be denied their say. If all routes to a lawful referendum are blocked off by a Conservative party which is running scared of the verdict of the people of Scotland then the next UK General Election in Scotland will become a de facto referendum on independence, a campaign which the anti-independence parties will have to fight having made it clear to the people of Scotland that they do not respect the will of the Scottish electorate. They will be standing on a platform of “Vote for us Scotland, you have no standing as a nation and we are going to ignore you.” It will be an election where the future of democracy itself is at stake, an election where what is on the ballot is Scotland’s very status as a nation with the right to decide its own future. Nicola Sturgeon’s announcement today made it plain that one way or another, Scotland will have its say, either in a lawful referendum on 19 October 2023, or in a General Election in which it will be clear that the union is dead and Westminster does not recognise Scotland’s historic nationhood in any meaningful sense.  Johnson and the UK Supreme Court can say no if they want to, well we say yes and we are the people.
Report lapsy pa June 29, 2022 10:51 AM BST
Another excellent piece by the weegingerdog.

The bit about the British gov being foolish and arrogant to go down the democracy denying road is very true,you are dealing with a liar and a lawbreaker though.This is shown in Northern Ireland where democracy is thrown out the window,the minority is being pandered to based on a pack of lies,why wasn't art 16 implemented if it was so bad? Support for the Protocol has gone up(source RTE,support for NI Protocol edging up.

Different situation there however with the current situation is there a case for MaryLou McDonald to follow the Nicola route and simply request a border poll?
Report lfc1971 June 29, 2022 10:58 AM BST
If art 16 was implemented you would be whining lapsy
Now this solution is being implemented ( in process )
you are still whining - just no pleasing the nationalists is there ?
Report lapsy pa June 29, 2022 11:05 AM BST
You know you couldn't justify article 16,that legislation bill on Monday is based on a pack of lies.

No one should be subjected to the current filth of the British Gov and no wonder there is 'movement'
Report TheBetterBettor June 29, 2022 4:02 PM BST
Glad that the next election will be a de facto Scottish independence vote for the snp....



It will separate all the 'woolys' who are for the snp but voted against independence.


A premise I'd never ever understood

No more 'hollow' votes any more...

Nicola means business
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 4:05 PM BST
The SNP have been in control of Holyrood since 2007. Many Scottish folks like their policies and government and vote for them, but don't support independence.
Report akabula June 29, 2022 4:54 PM BST
https://twitter.com/i/status/1541828648319295489

At best she'll get a pretendy referendum.
Cancelled a debate on our massive drug problem
to announce this nonsense.
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 4:56 PM BST

Jun 29, 2022 -- 4:54PM, akabula wrote:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1541828648319295489At best she'll get a pretendy referendum.Cancelled a debate on our massive drug problemto announce this nonsense.


Drugs policy isn't devolved to Scotland. It is the responsibility of Westminster.

Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 4:58 PM BST
Come to think of it, if drugs policy was devolved to Scotland, perhaps they would be in a better position to tackle it?
Report akabula June 29, 2022 5:07 PM BST
https://twitter.com/i/status/1388878832581677063

The new SNP board game - Cover it Up - The once in a generation game.
Report akabula June 29, 2022 5:15 PM BST
Drugs deaths per million

Scotland 327
Sweden    77
Norway    77
UK        76
Ireland   71

Why are Scotland over 4 times worse than the UK as a whole?
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 5:26 PM BST
Probably because drugs policy is the responsibility of Westminster.
Report casemoney June 29, 2022 5:26 PM BST
Sad
Report lapsy pa June 29, 2022 5:27 PM BST
Good man,you are getting into the swing of things already!
Great to see you acknowledging Scotland as being a country outside the UK
Report casemoney June 29, 2022 5:27 PM BST
Listening to Bunter and Ferguson would drive anyone to Drugs TBH
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 5:28 PM BST
I would be very confident that if drugs policy was the responsibility of the Scottish Government, they would be able to deal with it more efficiently than Westminster currently is.
Report casemoney June 29, 2022 5:29 PM BST
Shyte
Report casemoney June 29, 2022 5:32 PM BST
The polls Suggest Remain , As I stated unless a Substantial Turn around the Vote is pointless as remainers will want a 3rd Vote if its close .

And as the SNP did not accept the last one why should remainers accept this one ?
Report akabula June 29, 2022 5:37 PM BST
Polly trying hard to pass the blame to Westminster.
Tell us all then Polly why is Angela Constance listed
as The Scottish Minister for Drug Policy?
Report akabula June 29, 2022 5:38 PM BST
Angela is of course a serving SNP MSP.
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 5:40 PM BST
All the UK devolved administrations with roles for elected representatives. However, that doesn't mean that the Parliament they sit in has control of UK policy. They do if it is devolved.
Report casemoney June 29, 2022 5:42 PM BST
The Vote is pointless AKA unless its something in the Region of 60/40 Remainers will not accept the Result ,And why should they its not even 10 years and this Mob want a re  vote .How much money is all this Going to cost what services will be cut to pay for it ?
Report casemoney June 29, 2022 5:45 PM BST
Mind you there was a Few Quid from the Co vid dosh Boris sent them ,seemed to go Missing ?
Report akabula June 29, 2022 5:46 PM BST
Most elements of the policy are devoled.
Hence the need for a Drugs Policy Minister.

We are in the same position as Wales and
Northern Ireland yet our problem is 5 times
worse than theirs. How is this?
Report akabula June 29, 2022 5:49 PM BST
Audit Scotland couldn't account for just over £2 billion of
the money sent up from Westminster as Covid business relief.
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 5:49 PM BST
https://www.gov.scot/about/what-the-government-does/
.

Here is a link to the devolved powers Holyrood has, if that helps you.
Report akabula June 29, 2022 5:52 PM BST
I know what powers we have, the same as Wales and northern Ireland
in respect of Drugs Policy. So why are we 5 times worse than them?
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 5:54 PM BST
Who knows? It's got nothing to do with Holyrood as drugs policy isn't devolved.
Report akabula June 29, 2022 5:54 PM BST
And why did the SNP cut its funding at a time when it was spiralling out of control?
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 5:55 PM BST
Drugs policy is decided by Westminster, I don't know how simple I can make it for you.
Report akabula June 29, 2022 5:58 PM BST
It is devolved in parts hence we have a Drugs Policy Minister
And are responsible for funding the fight against it.
Why also did Angela Constance say that her priority is
to get the death rate down.
Report akabula June 29, 2022 6:01 PM BST
Why did Angela Constance last August
issue a statement on the National Mission
to cut the appalling death rate?
Report akabula June 29, 2022 6:09 PM BST
Thats a lie Polly and you know it.
Some are devolved.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201919/cmselect/cmscotaf/44/4404.htm

That link spells it out and this sentence proves you wrong

4.The division between reserved and devolved competence has been a key consideration for how we have structured our inquiry. Although we have discussed devolved policy areas
Report akabula June 29, 2022 6:39 PM BST
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 6:48 PM BST
The General election was a referendum?
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 6:49 PM BST
You should join the LibDems, they love deceiving bar charts and the like.
Report akabula June 29, 2022 6:59 PM BST
Our Drugs Policy Minister who
according to Polly does nothing.
Glad shes dressed for the job.
Report akabula June 29, 2022 7:02 PM BST
Nothings changed
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 7:09 PM BST
Please don't make stuff up with almost your every post. I never said that at all.
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 7:13 PM BST
If you wish to discuss something , I am happy to do so. However, I will stop discussing things with you if you are abusive, name call, or simply make stuff up that you claim I said. I will show you that same respect.
Report LoyalHoncho June 29, 2022 7:14 PM BST
He does it all the time pp.  He simply can;t help himself.
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 7:15 PM BST
I know. However, I am giving him every chance to show some respect, not just to me but to others who respond to his posts.
Report akabula June 29, 2022 7:17 PM BST
So she is responsible for Scotlands Drugs Policy.
So we therefore have a Drugs Policy otherwise
she would be doing nothing. Glad we agree at last.
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 7:18 PM BST
We don't agree. If you suggest I said that once more, I will block you.
Report akabula June 29, 2022 7:19 PM BST
Where have I been name calling?
I leave that to the likes of Honcho.
Report akabula June 29, 2022 7:23 PM BST
If you are referring to me calling you Polly as name calling
I use that because we have another PP, as I used to refer to you,
in Porkie. And Polly for politics.
If you don't like it just say so and I'll change it.
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 7:23 PM BST
I am ok with that.
Report akabula June 29, 2022 7:42 PM BST
https://twitter.com/i/status/1542198551748509699

Andrea Leadsom asking some crucial questions.
Clip cuts off before Hosie replies but the
questions she asks have never been answered
in the 8 years Sturgeon has been FM.
Report LoyalHoncho June 29, 2022 8:45 PM BST
lol.  Laugh
Report lapsy pa June 29, 2022 9:18 PM BST
You seem a bit 'pumped up' today akabula Laugh
Report politicspunter June 29, 2022 10:48 PM BST
Makeover for Scotland's baby box scheme ahead of fifth anniversary

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61985263
.

A very simple but very cost effective idea. Why don't we have this in the whole of the UK?
Report mmmalushka June 30, 2022 7:42 AM BST
Oh what a miserable existence,to be a Quislingingerer,Scotiaphobe or Vichyscotch continually besmirching your Country.

Report mmmalushka June 30, 2022 7:54 AM BST
The answer to your question politicspunter is you need a socially responsible administration willing to aid the sick, the poor, the old and the new.
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