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Brexit sausage war as Tories attack EU banger ban - that they allowed.
The UK and EU face a furious Brexit battle over sausages after Tory ministers started attacking a Brussels ban on bangers.
UK farmers are already banned from sending the meaty snack to the Continent under post-Brexit rules.
But now the clock is ticking on trade from Britain to Northern Ireland too - as it was only allowed under a six-month grace period.
That grace period expires at the end of June - after that, certain "chilled meat preparations" may be barred from going west across the Irish Sea.
If it's not resolved it's feared this could lead to supply gaps in Belfast supermarket. It includes chilled mince, chicken nuggets and chilled raw sausages, plus ungraded eggs and some unpasteurised milk.
The meaty impasse was already clear last year - because Tory ministers first agreed to put Northern Ireland under some EU rules, then agreed their post-Brexit trade deal without resolving the issue.
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The UK and EU face a furious Brexit battle over sausages after Tory ministers started attacking a Brussels ban on bangers.
UK farmers are already banned from sending the meaty snack to the Continent under post-Brexit rules.
But now the clock is ticking on trade from Britain to Northern Ireland too - as it was only allowed under a six-month grace period.
That grace period expires at the end of June - after that, certain "chilled meat preparations" may be barred from going west across the Irish Sea.
If it's not resolved it's feared this could lead to supply gaps in Belfast supermarket. It includes chilled mince, chicken nuggets and chilled raw sausages, plus ungraded eggs and some unpasteurised milk.
The meaty impasse was already clear last year - because Tory ministers first agreed to put Northern Ireland under some EU rules, then agreed their post-Brexit trade deal without resolving the issue.
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Certainly China is building a presence and infrastructure in
lots of countries. As we revisit some places it's very striking
the changes that have taken place.
I'm not sure this is brexit related as much of it predates brexit
but there will come a time when China will be far more influential.
lots of countries. As we revisit some places it's very striking
the changes that have taken place.
I'm not sure this is brexit related as much of it predates brexit
but there will come a time when China will be far more influential.
Pretty sure when EU exports hit the red tape it will focus a few minds. "The UK have left , but Is there a better way for us to do business in certain areas ?"
What red tape can we add if they are already jumping through hoops to meet there own standards.
You are talking about scrapping import controls to spite them.
Do you ever think.
You are talking about scrapping import controls to spite them.
Do you ever think.
There may be 20,000 businesses who have lost trade with EU. How many others have benefitted because they can replace imports by making things here? Quite a lot. We never hear anything from those who benefit from change, only from those who cry foul because they are worse off.
You can speculate that, but examples appear
far harder to find than those that have suffered.
far harder to find than those that have suffered.
OBR has uk economy 100billion a year lower
There must be one or 2 doing OK out of brexit,
Probably you tubers expanding out of kool aid sales
into brexit merchandise sales, and folk selling anti brexit t shirts.
There must be one or 2 doing OK out of brexit,
Probably you tubers expanding out of kool aid sales
into brexit merchandise sales, and folk selling anti brexit t shirts.
Fair point overall Sageform though i disagree with 'quite a lot', gut would say 10-20%. As a bit of an aside in the food stakes will you lean more towards root crops like carrots and turnips(not snidey) and leave out more continental stuff? i think it is heading that way.
“Starmer also said the UK could have led Europe-wide operational efforts to tackle people-smuggling gangs if Brexit had not happened.
“When we were in the EU, we could lead on operations, and at the moment we can’t.””
Wow!!!
“When we were in the EU, we could lead on operations, and at the moment we can’t.””
Wow!!!
Manchester-based SkyPeople Training is to set up an operation in Dublin to provide approved training for all cabin crews in Europe. The move is due to Brexit, as UK accreditation is no longer accepted across the EU."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-66126185
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Chairman of @marksandspencer Archie Norman @therealarchie tells @TimesRadio that Brexit means they've had to hire a warehouse just to store the paperwork needed to export to the Republic of Ireland….
Sammy Wilson had the gall to complain about stuff from Britain not being able to get to NI during the week due to 'paperwork'with new rules coming in(GPRS?). (he was the one who said people can always go to the chipper).
This will be replicated with other EU countries and looks a further slide re exports.
This will be replicated with other EU countries and looks a further slide re exports.
Recognise this country?
It’s 24 June, 2025, and Britain is marking its annual Independence Day celebration. As the fireworks stream through the summer sky, still not quite dark, we wonder why it took us so long to leave. The years that followed the 2016 referendum didn’t just reinvigorate our economy, our democracy and our liberty. They improved relations with our neighbours.
The United Kingdom is now the region’s foremost knowledge-based economy. We lead the world in biotech, law, education, the audio-visual sector, financial services and software. New industries, from 3D printing to driverless cars, have sprung up around the country. Older industries, too, have revived as energy prices have fallen back to global levels: steel, cement, paper, plastics and ceramics producers have become competitive again.
The EU, meanwhile, continues to turn inwards, clinging to its dream of political amalgamation as the euro and migration crises worsen. Its population is ageing, its share of world GDP shrinking and its peoples protesting. “We have the most comprehensive workers’ rights in the world”, complains Jean-Claude Juncker, who has recently begun in his second term as President of the European Federation, “but we have fewer and fewer workers”.
The last thing most EU leaders wanted, once the shock had worn off, was a protracted argument with the United Kingdom which, on the day it left, became their single biggest market. Terms were agreed easily enough. Britain withdrew from the EU’s political structures and institutions, but kept its tariff-free arrangements in place. The rights of EU nationals living in the UK were confirmed, and various reciprocal deals on healthcare and the like remained. For the sake of administrative convenience, Brexit took effect formally on 1 July 2019, to coincide with the mandates of a new European Parliament and Commission.
That day marked, not a sudden departure, but the beginning of a gradual reorientation. As the leader of the Remain campaign, Lord Rose, had put it during the referendum campaign, “It’s not going to be a step change, it’s going to be a gentle process.” He was spot on.
In many areas, whether because of economies of scale or because rules were largely set at global level, the UK and the EU continued to adopt the same technical standards. But, from 2019, Britain could begin to disapply those regulations where the cost of compliance outweighed any benefits.
The EU’s Clinical Trials Directive, for example, had wiped out a great deal of medical research in Britain. Outside it, we again lead the world. Opting out of the EU’s data protection rules has turned Hoxton into the software capital of the world. Britain is no longer hampered by Brussels restrictions on sales, promotions and e-commerce.
Other EU regulations, often little known, had caused enormous damage. The REACH Directive, limiting the import of chemical products, had imposed huge costs on manufacturers. The bans on vitamin supplements and herbal remedies had closed down many health shops. London’s art market had been brutalised by EU rules on VAT and retrospective taxation. All these sectors have revived.
Financial services are booming – not only in London, but in Birmingham, Leeds and Edinburgh too. Eurocrats had never much liked the City, which they regarded as parasitical. Before Brexit, they targeted London with regulations that were not simply harmful but, in some cases, downright malicious: the Alternative Investment Fund Managers Directive, the ban on short selling, the Financial Transactions Tax, the restrictions on insurance. After Britain left, the EU’s regulations became even more heavy-handed, driving more exiles from Paris, Frankfurt and Milan. No other European city could hope to compete: their high rates of personal and corporate taxation, restrictive employment practices and lack of support services left London unchallenged.
Other cities, too, have boomed, not least Liverpool and Glasgow, which had found themselves on the wrong side of the country when the EEC’s Common External Tariff was phased in in the 1970s. In 2016, the viability of our commercial ports was threatened by the EU’s Ports Services Directive, one of many proposed rules that was being held back so as not to boost the Leave vote. Now, the UK has again become a centre for world shipping.
Shale oil and gas came on tap, almost providentially, just as the North Sea reserves were depleting, with most of the infrastructure already in place. Outside the EU, we have been able to augment this bonanza by buying cheap Chinese solar panels. In consequence, our fuel bills have tumbled, boosting productivity, increasing household incomes and stimulating the entire economy.
During the first 12 months after the vote, Britain confirmed with the various countries that have trade deals with the EU that the same deals would continue. It also used that time to agree much more liberal terms with those states which had run up against EU protectionism, including India, China and Australia. These new treaties came into effect shortly after independence. Britain, like the EFTA countries, now combines global free trade with full participation in EU markets.
Our universities are flourishing, taking the world’s brightest students and, where appropriate, charging accordingly. Their revenues, in consequence, are rising, while they continue to collaborate with research centres in Europe and around the world.
The number of student visas granted each year is decided by MPs who, now that they no longer need to worry about unlimited EU migration, can afford to take a long-term view. Parliament sets the number of work permits, the number of refugee places and the terms of family reunification. A points-based immigration system invites the world’s top talent; and the consequent sense of having had to win a place competitively means that new settlers arrive with commensurate pride and patriotism.
Unsurprisingly, several other European countries have opted to copy Britain’s deal with the EU, based as it is upon a common market rather than a common government. Some of these countries were drawn from EFTA (Norway, Switzerland and Iceland are all bringing their arrangements into line with ours). Some came from further afield (Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine). Some followed us out of the EU (Denmark, Ireland, the Netherlands).
The United Kingdom now leads a 22-state bloc that forms a free trade area with the EU, but remains outside its political structures. For their part, the EU 24 have continued to push ahead with economic, military and political amalgamation. They now have a common police force and army, a pan-European income tax and a harmonised system of social security. These developments have prompted referendums in three other EU states on whether to copy Britain.
Perhaps the greatest benefit, though, is not easy to quantify. Britain has recovered its self-belief. As we left the EU, we straightened our backs, looked about us, and realised that we were still a nation to be reckoned with: the world’s fifth economy and fourth military power, one of five members on the UN Security Council and a leading member of the G7 and the Commonwealth. We recalled, too, that we were the world’s leading exporter of soft power; that our language was the most widely studied on Earth; that we were linked by kinship and migration to every continent and archipelago. We saw that there were great opportunities across the oceans, beyond the enervated eurozone. We knew that our song had not yet been sung.
Daniel Hannan is a Conservative MEP and author of Why Vote Leave published by Head of Zeus
Like so many influential Leavers, Dan Hannan, the "brains of Brexit", was elevated to the peerage four years ago.
It’s 24 June, 2025, and Britain is marking its annual Independence Day celebration. As the fireworks stream through the summer sky, still not quite dark, we wonder why it took us so long to leave. The years that followed the 2016 referendum didn’t just reinvigorate our economy, our democracy and our liberty. They improved relations with our neighbours.
The United Kingdom is now the region’s foremost knowledge-based economy. We lead the world in biotech, law, education, the audio-visual sector, financial services and software. New industries, from 3D printing to driverless cars, have sprung up around the country. Older industries, too, have revived as energy prices have fallen back to global levels: steel, cement, paper, plastics and ceramics producers have become competitive again.
The EU, meanwhile, continues to turn inwards, clinging to its dream of political amalgamation as the euro and migration crises worsen. Its population is ageing, its share of world GDP shrinking and its peoples protesting. “We have the most comprehensive workers’ rights in the world”, complains Jean-Claude Juncker, who has recently begun in his second term as President of the European Federation, “but we have fewer and fewer workers”.
The last thing most EU leaders wanted, once the shock had worn off, was a protracted argument with the United Kingdom which, on the day it left, became their single biggest market. Terms were agreed easily enough. Britain withdrew from the EU’s political structures and institutions, but kept its tariff-free arrangements in place. The rights of EU nationals living in the UK were confirmed, and various reciprocal deals on healthcare and the like remained. For the sake of administrative convenience, Brexit took effect formally on 1 July 2019, to coincide with the mandates of a new European Parliament and Commission.
That day marked, not a sudden departure, but the beginning of a gradual reorientation. As the leader of the Remain campaign, Lord Rose, had put it during the referendum campaign, “It’s not going to be a step change, it’s going to be a gentle process.” He was spot on.
In many areas, whether because of economies of scale or because rules were largely set at global level, the UK and the EU continued to adopt the same technical standards. But, from 2019, Britain could begin to disapply those regulations where the cost of compliance outweighed any benefits.
The EU’s Clinical Trials Directive, for example, had wiped out a great deal of medical research in Britain. Outside it, we again lead the world. Opting out of the EU’s data protection rules has turned Hoxton into the software capital of the world. Britain is no longer hampered by Brussels restrictions on sales, promotions and e-commerce.
Other EU regulations, often little known, had caused enormous damage. The REACH Directive, limiting the import of chemical products, had imposed huge costs on manufacturers. The bans on vitamin supplements and herbal remedies had closed down many health shops. London’s art market had been brutalised by EU rules on VAT and retrospective taxation. All these sectors have revived.
Financial services are booming – not only in London, but in Birmingham, Leeds and Edinburgh too. Eurocrats had never much liked the City, which they regarded as parasitical. Before Brexit, they targeted London with regulations that were not simply harmful but, in some cases, downright malicious: the Alternative Investment Fund Managers Directive, the ban on short selling, the Financial Transactions Tax, the restrictions on insurance. After Britain left, the EU’s regulations became even more heavy-handed, driving more exiles from Paris, Frankfurt and Milan. No other European city could hope to compete: their high rates of personal and corporate taxation, restrictive employment practices and lack of support services left London unchallenged.
Other cities, too, have boomed, not least Liverpool and Glasgow, which had found themselves on the wrong side of the country when the EEC’s Common External Tariff was phased in in the 1970s. In 2016, the viability of our commercial ports was threatened by the EU’s Ports Services Directive, one of many proposed rules that was being held back so as not to boost the Leave vote. Now, the UK has again become a centre for world shipping.
Shale oil and gas came on tap, almost providentially, just as the North Sea reserves were depleting, with most of the infrastructure already in place. Outside the EU, we have been able to augment this bonanza by buying cheap Chinese solar panels. In consequence, our fuel bills have tumbled, boosting productivity, increasing household incomes and stimulating the entire economy.
During the first 12 months after the vote, Britain confirmed with the various countries that have trade deals with the EU that the same deals would continue. It also used that time to agree much more liberal terms with those states which had run up against EU protectionism, including India, China and Australia. These new treaties came into effect shortly after independence. Britain, like the EFTA countries, now combines global free trade with full participation in EU markets.
Our universities are flourishing, taking the world’s brightest students and, where appropriate, charging accordingly. Their revenues, in consequence, are rising, while they continue to collaborate with research centres in Europe and around the world.
The number of student visas granted each year is decided by MPs who, now that they no longer need to worry about unlimited EU migration, can afford to take a long-term view. Parliament sets the number of work permits, the number of refugee places and the terms of family reunification. A points-based immigration system invites the world’s top talent; and the consequent sense of having had to win a place competitively means that new settlers arrive with commensurate pride and patriotism.
Unsurprisingly, several other European countries have opted to copy Britain’s deal with the EU, based as it is upon a common market rather than a common government. Some of these countries were drawn from EFTA (Norway, Switzerland and Iceland are all bringing their arrangements into line with ours). Some came from further afield (Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine). Some followed us out of the EU (Denmark, Ireland, the Netherlands).
The United Kingdom now leads a 22-state bloc that forms a free trade area with the EU, but remains outside its political structures. For their part, the EU 24 have continued to push ahead with economic, military and political amalgamation. They now have a common police force and army, a pan-European income tax and a harmonised system of social security. These developments have prompted referendums in three other EU states on whether to copy Britain.
Perhaps the greatest benefit, though, is not easy to quantify. Britain has recovered its self-belief. As we left the EU, we straightened our backs, looked about us, and realised that we were still a nation to be reckoned with: the world’s fifth economy and fourth military power, one of five members on the UN Security Council and a leading member of the G7 and the Commonwealth. We recalled, too, that we were the world’s leading exporter of soft power; that our language was the most widely studied on Earth; that we were linked by kinship and migration to every continent and archipelago. We saw that there were great opportunities across the oceans, beyond the enervated eurozone. We knew that our song had not yet been sung.
Daniel Hannan is a Conservative MEP and author of Why Vote Leave published by Head of Zeus
Like so many influential Leavers, Dan Hannan, the "brains of Brexit", was elevated to the peerage four years ago.
https://x.com/JJHTweets/status/1887054313857454320?s=19
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The truth is that being in or out of the EU makes no difference at all to 95% of UK citizens. Only politicians and a few specialist companies need to pay any attention to the rancid place. There is one factor though that the public will rarely hear about. The EU has a huge deficit made much bigger by recent floods and wildfires. Until we left, we would have been asked to pay about 15% of the costs of those disasters and underwrite any borrowings needed to pay for them.
That is not the truth to 100% of uk citizens who unlike Farage cannot
get eu passports for their kids therefore miss out on the benefits of being an eu citizen.
We have floods etc in uk, and will bare 100% of costs, and of course have huge deficit
and debt, in part due to tory thefts over 14 years.
get eu passports for their kids therefore miss out on the benefits of being an eu citizen.
We have floods etc in uk, and will bare 100% of costs, and of course have huge deficit
and debt, in part due to tory thefts over 14 years.
Yep just like the brexiteers did
We are going back in, idiots can't even find a benefit of leaving
Oh just move on, thickos
We are going back in, idiots can't even find a benefit of leaving
Oh just move on, thickos
Wonderful argument - "If you don't believe what I believe then you are an idiot and a thicko "
The debate has been had and the votes have been counted.
We've left.
The debate has been had and the votes have been counted.
We've left.
I still can't find a single EU politician or bureaucrat that I would trust with £1 of my money. Spain were apparently the fastest growing economy in the EU in the last year. Why? Because they managed to get E165 billion from the EU! Our net bill for that would have been around E30 billion had we still been members. That is £500 from every UK citizen including children.
The truth is that being in or out of the EU makes no difference at all to 95% of UK citizens.
How is that the truth?
Increased food costs. Increased costs of doing business etc etc etc.
How is that the truth?
Increased food costs. Increased costs of doing business etc etc etc.
The money is paid up to and Inc 2026.
Depends what you do with it, and they are investing in infrastructure.
Of course the money we sent to eu came out of the benefits we derived as being
members of free trade and free movement club. Much of it came back to support
our poorer areas and that investment was stopped.
If Spain grows then they will become nett contributors, pretty much same cash is
going to Italy, so hopefully they will grow too,... Maybe we will
be so poor when we go back we can get handouts from eu.
Depends what you do with it, and they are investing in infrastructure.
Of course the money we sent to eu came out of the benefits we derived as being
members of free trade and free movement club. Much of it came back to support
our poorer areas and that investment was stopped.
If Spain grows then they will become nett contributors, pretty much same cash is
going to Italy, so hopefully they will grow too,... Maybe we will
be so poor when we go back we can get handouts from eu.
never let the facts get in the way of the remoaners lament
the pandemic had a far greater impact on why the economy is where it is - huge debt
The UK’s trade patterns with the EU fail to show a Brexit effect, either since the referendum or the end of the transition period.
Trade continued to grow between 2016 and the conclusion of the Brexit transition in 2020, indicating that Brexit uncertainty did not reduce UK-EU exchange.
UK goods exports rose by 13.5 per cent to EU countries and 14.3 per cent to non-EU countries between 2019 and 2022, before and after Brexit. This indicates no impact of Brexit on goods trade.
UK services exports rose by 14.8 per cent to EU countries and 22.1 per cent to non-EU countries over the same period. Varying demand levels for different products across countries, rather than any consistent Brexit impact, explains this finding.
UK trade patterns compared to other G7 countries have not changed since Brexit.
the pandemic had a far greater impact on why the economy is where it is - huge debt
The UK’s trade patterns with the EU fail to show a Brexit effect, either since the referendum or the end of the transition period.
Trade continued to grow between 2016 and the conclusion of the Brexit transition in 2020, indicating that Brexit uncertainty did not reduce UK-EU exchange.
UK goods exports rose by 13.5 per cent to EU countries and 14.3 per cent to non-EU countries between 2019 and 2022, before and after Brexit. This indicates no impact of Brexit on goods trade.
UK services exports rose by 14.8 per cent to EU countries and 22.1 per cent to non-EU countries over the same period. Varying demand levels for different products across countries, rather than any consistent Brexit impact, explains this finding.
UK trade patterns compared to other G7 countries have not changed since Brexit.
yep
Spanish vegetables costs more because of Covid not Brexit
Spanish vegetables costs more because of Covid not Brexit
well indeed the huge increase in debt and interest payments that has lead to increased taxes and restricted the govts ability to use fiscal leavers has had a bigger impact on the UK economy than spanish veg prices going up a bit
Spot on re covid and debt,can't dispute that,it has left the UK in a precarious position though and without covid the spotlight as such won't be on brexit/single market so much
Just on exports (UK to EU) my belief is small and medium exporters got hammered hence a considerable loss to the exchequer (and jobs), also if the last couple of years given large inflation is measured in £'s would mask a true rate?
The abject disappointment when Biden beat Trump by the Torys couldn't be hidden as some 'solution' was factored in with Trump winning, ie 'a trade deal'imo.
Just on exports (UK to EU) my belief is small and medium exporters got hammered hence a considerable loss to the exchequer (and jobs), also if the last couple of years given large inflation is measured in £'s would mask a true rate?
The abject disappointment when Biden beat Trump by the Torys couldn't be hidden as some 'solution' was factored in with Trump winning, ie 'a trade deal'imo.
We were told the sky would fall in if we left.
Chicken Licken is still walking around looking upwards with a confused look on his face.
Chicken Licken is still walking around looking upwards with a confused look on his face.
ooooh - let's rejoin because Spanish vegetables cost a few pence more - yep - that should swing it.
Free trade deal with Amrika...woah the sun is out ..... except for the steel makers!
Farmers in England furious as Defra pauses post-Brexit payment scheme
Applications to the sustainable farming initiative no longer accepted but no clarity on what will replace it and when
Applications to the sustainable farming initiative no longer accepted but no clarity on what will replace it and when
Remoaners use the figures that some agricultural produce and foodstuffs exports to EU are down ,to try to prove that brexit was and is a failure.
These figures are lower because many produces are exploiting the new emerging markets available around the world.eg over 12 middle eastern countries take British lamb/mutton now.
Also more worrying trends emerge ,people are rejecting intensive farming thru morals and the high price of fertilisers ,to move to more organic type farming and the obvious lower yields ,add this to land lost to building ,rewilding ,windmills and solar panels and unhelpful wet weather ,we simply do not have the produce to export we once did.I know a rewilding project by a few rich hippies took 3500 acres of prime farming land just for weeds ,ponies and birds.
An exception to these trends is pig farming ,murdered by high feed bills and cheaper EU imports (Denmark included who even use our own sand eels to feed their pigs) ,we should subsidise our own farmers but won't ,so if you do care about British/NI farmers and food producers always buy home produced especially pork.
These figures are lower because many produces are exploiting the new emerging markets available around the world.eg over 12 middle eastern countries take British lamb/mutton now.
Also more worrying trends emerge ,people are rejecting intensive farming thru morals and the high price of fertilisers ,to move to more organic type farming and the obvious lower yields ,add this to land lost to building ,rewilding ,windmills and solar panels and unhelpful wet weather ,we simply do not have the produce to export we once did.I know a rewilding project by a few rich hippies took 3500 acres of prime farming land just for weeds ,ponies and birds.
An exception to these trends is pig farming ,murdered by high feed bills and cheaper EU imports (Denmark included who even use our own sand eels to feed their pigs) ,we should subsidise our own farmers but won't ,so if you do care about British/NI farmers and food producers always buy home produced especially pork.
Correct flat
Brexit has been a huge success for our farmers!
That’s why they are so happy and can time off from their normally busy farms to Party in London.
Just as a matter of interest are you a communist? You want to give tax payer money to farmers? What is wrong with free trade and Government keeping out of business?
Brexit has been a huge success for our farmers!
That’s why they are so happy and can time off from their normally busy farms to Party in London.
Just as a matter of interest are you a communist? You want to give tax payer money to farmers? What is wrong with free trade and Government keeping out of business?
Brexit has been a huge success for some farmers ,eg sheep farmers but not all farmers.
Socialism has been a disaster for all farmers ,especially the inheritance tax ,compulsory purchase threat (Rayner) and the suspension of green payments SFI.
Pig farmers deserve a tax payer subsidy because the competition is heavily subsidised but has lower animal welfare standards (Denmark ,Poland and Holland) so unfair competition ,only Sweden can match UK standards but does not export to us.
As a sovereign nation we have the right to subsidise and for food independence and air miles , we should support this important industry.
Labour will not because they seek the city votes ,townies and immigrant votes ,not rural votes as we will always detest them.
Socialism has been a disaster for all farmers ,especially the inheritance tax ,compulsory purchase threat (Rayner) and the suspension of green payments SFI.
Pig farmers deserve a tax payer subsidy because the competition is heavily subsidised but has lower animal welfare standards (Denmark ,Poland and Holland) so unfair competition ,only Sweden can match UK standards but does not export to us.
As a sovereign nation we have the right to subsidise and for food independence and air miles , we should support this important industry.
Labour will not because they seek the city votes ,townies and immigrant votes ,not rural votes as we will always detest them.
Brexit has been a total disaster for UK Industry and only a thick spoons drinker would say otherwise. If you voted for it to stop free movement in EU put you're hands up and I will agree been successful, but also bad for young UK to move abroad in EU.
However, don't talk nonsense leaving EU was good for UK economy, only a racist loony would keep peddling such lies, over all day spoons breakfast and cheap drink.
However, don't talk nonsense leaving EU was good for UK economy, only a racist loony would keep peddling such lies, over all day spoons breakfast and cheap drink.
No all day breakfast at spoons. All day brunch (from 11.30) and
a pint of Shipyard about £6.30, astonishing.
a pint of Shipyard about £6.30, astonishing.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/the-price-of-brexit-how-much-is-leaving-the-eu-costing-uk-businesses/articleshow/119370348.cms
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Economic and democratic freedom is priceless.
A man with a full belly can talk of democracy
Economic freedom……. Fecal matter in American chicken, Digital Tax under reconsideration. That type of Economic freedom and Sovereignty?
Economic freedom……. Fecal matter in American chicken, Digital Tax under reconsideration. That type of Economic freedom and Sovereignty?
Phew - How lucky is that ? - we now have a totally independent trade policy......
how can anyone know how the UK economy would have fared if we had stayed in the EU. All the figures are based on guesses on how the economy would have performed. The German economy tanked for a couple of years and was in recession for a period. Has that been factored into UK assumptions, Every single EU country has faced significant financial challenges in this period caused by the war in Ukraine, Covid etc. How have these major significant impacts been factored into the calculations to come up with an impact of Brexit figure??
Report author and trade economist Catherine McBride said:
“A false narrative that Brexit has harmed UK trade is now firmly entrenched in the British public psyche, but this just isn’t true. The trade data doesn’t show this. Just as false is the idea that trade friction has reduced UK-EU trade.
“The vast majority of UK and EU trade is conducted by multinational companies who manage to sell goods all over the world without baulking at the paperwork, but the UK media somehow assumes these companies are too stupid to cope with some additional EU paperwork.”
Report author and trade economist Catherine McBride said:
“A false narrative that Brexit has harmed UK trade is now firmly entrenched in the British public psyche, but this just isn’t true. The trade data doesn’t show this. Just as false is the idea that trade friction has reduced UK-EU trade.
“The vast majority of UK and EU trade is conducted by multinational companies who manage to sell goods all over the world without baulking at the paperwork, but the UK media somehow assumes these companies are too stupid to cope with some additional EU paperwork.”
Erm…. Because it is so much more difficult to do business with Europe because of all the paperwork and associated cost’s
Erm... There has obviously been an impact given a major change to the trading relationships. What I am saying is that it is impossible to put a figure on the impact of Brexit and some of the figures quoted are stated like they are facts but are merely guesses
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No all day breakfast at spoons. All day brunch (from 11.30) and
a pint of Shipyard about £6.30, astonishing.
6 pounds 30 seems expensive for a pint in spoons Saddo for pubs IMO with no character, have they started showing sports in English locations ? They do show GAA in Blackrock Dublin, which is an affluent area, prices were cheap far cheaper than in Dublin.
Anyway I'm not Lee Anderson it's not for me to advise people how to spend their money on food or drink.
On the breakfast / brunch discussion, is there any difference on plate, which the customer receives ? I've never looked at their menu because I wouldn't eat in their establishments, I just assumed it was all day breakfast.
No all day breakfast at spoons. All day brunch (from 11.30) and
a pint of Shipyard about £6.30, astonishing.
6 pounds 30 seems expensive for a pint in spoons Saddo for pubs IMO with no character, have they started showing sports in English locations ? They do show GAA in Blackrock Dublin, which is an affluent area, prices were cheap far cheaper than in Dublin.
Anyway I'm not Lee Anderson it's not for me to advise people how to spend their money on food or drink.
On the breakfast / brunch discussion, is there any difference on plate, which the customer receives ? I've never looked at their menu because I wouldn't eat in their establishments, I just assumed it was all day breakfast.
https://www.britishchambers.org.uk/news/2025/08/the-reality-of-uk-services-trade-post-brexit/
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How's it going grok?
Labour's main post-Brexit deals, including the UK-India FTA (£4.8bn annual GDP boost) and EU reset (0.3% GDP uplift, ~£7.5bn/year long-term), project a cumulative value of roughly £150-200 billion in added GDP by 2040, assuming phased implementation. Brexit's estimated 4% permanent GDP hit translates to ~£100 billion annual loss on current trends. Cumulatively, this exceeds £1.5 trillion by 2040, dwarfing deal benefits by over 10x.
Labour's main post-Brexit deals, including the UK-India FTA (£4.8bn annual GDP boost) and EU reset (0.3% GDP uplift, ~£7.5bn/year long-term), project a cumulative value of roughly £150-200 billion in added GDP by 2040, assuming phased implementation. Brexit's estimated 4% permanent GDP hit translates to ~£100 billion annual loss on current trends. Cumulatively, this exceeds £1.5 trillion by 2040, dwarfing deal benefits by over 10x.
One of Brexit’s biggest donors wants to move to Australia.
Lord Edmiston; who gave £1 million to Brexit campaigns; now says Britain is in chaos, the NHS is broken, and the tax system is driving business away.
He’s applying for permanent residency in Australia, praising its hybrid healthcare system and stable politics.
So the man who helped sell “Take Back Control” is abandoning the Brexit sinking ship.
Brexit’s architects are leaving the country they broke.
Lord Edmiston; who gave £1 million to Brexit campaigns; now says Britain is in chaos, the NHS is broken, and the tax system is driving business away.
He’s applying for permanent residency in Australia, praising its hybrid healthcare system and stable politics.
So the man who helped sell “Take Back Control” is abandoning the Brexit sinking ship.
Brexit’s architects are leaving the country they broke.
Interesting he attributed his reasons for leaving amongst others,chaos,now or in future?
If as predicted Mr Brexit himself gets in to no 10 in a few years time there will be a lot more leaving. I'm not sure can British businesses even plan ahead and i won't be investing too much myself. The economic flat line from this mornings news is going nowhere for maybe years?
If as predicted Mr Brexit himself gets in to no 10 in a few years time there will be a lot more leaving. I'm not sure can British businesses even plan ahead and i won't be investing too much myself. The economic flat line from this mornings news is going nowhere for maybe years?
It was not Brexit that has caused the current malaise, it was domestic politicians of all parties who don't have a clue. Mind you France is far worse.
Nah just 4% of gdp every year, cumulative knock.
The estimate is 4% per year ? - Really ? Are you sure ?
Err, 4%, has to be 4%
Maybe you have a novel accounting method where a 4% hit
isn't 4%, give it a go
Maybe you have a novel accounting method where a 4% hit
isn't 4%, give it a go
OK - it's clearly not 4% per year when the report states that the OBR estimate is a cumulative 4% hit to GDP over the 'long term' - so you are totally incorrect - yet again.
Year one 1.....100 down to 96.... 4%
Year2 grows 1%....101.....97.....another 4%
Year 3 grows 1%....102....98.....another 4%
Simples innit, 4% a year,..
Of course if you total them, it stays at 4%
But it's a real hit, every year of 4%
Year2 grows 1%....101.....97.....another 4%
Year 3 grows 1%....102....98.....another 4%
Simples innit, 4% a year,..
Of course if you total them, it stays at 4%
But it's a real hit, every year of 4%
You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
What part of 'cumulative 4%' don't you understand ?
What part of 'cumulative 4%' don't you understand ?
Myth #1: Brexit has cost the UK economy 4% of GDP.
There is so much wrong with this myth. Firstly, it is mostly misquoted. The OBR’s chairman, Richard Hughes, claimed in October 2021 that the impact of Brexit ‘would reduce our long-run GDP by around 4%’. By ‘long-run’ he meant over 15 years, but many people repeating his claim usually leave out the ‘long-run’ bit and some have even claimed this would be an annual cost. But even the original prediction is unlikely to come true while the misquotes are just ludicrous.
There is so much wrong with this myth. Firstly, it is mostly misquoted. The OBR’s chairman, Richard Hughes, claimed in October 2021 that the impact of Brexit ‘would reduce our long-run GDP by around 4%’. By ‘long-run’ he meant over 15 years, but many people repeating his claim usually leave out the ‘long-run’ bit and some have even claimed this would be an annual cost. But even the original prediction is unlikely to come true while the misquotes are just ludicrous.
Lol, sorry for showing you up again. Don't be so upset.
4 % lost every single year, what could you do
with 4% of gdp each year?
4 % lost every single year, what could you do
with 4% of gdp each year?
Oh dear - you still can't understand it ......
I don't, lol, ha ha ha,
My workings are there, where is my mistake
It's 4% every year
My workings are there, where is my mistake
It's 4% every year
"Myth #1: Brexit has cost the UK economy 4% of GDP."
To be honest I don't really care either way. I do care that we can't trade with our nearest partners for no obvious benefit.
Brexiteers seem to spend an awful lot of time arguing that we didn't punch ourselves in the testicles with as much force as some commentators claim.
I would argue punching yourself in the testicles is a bad thing to do however you do it.
To be honest I don't really care either way. I do care that we can't trade with our nearest partners for no obvious benefit.
Brexiteers seem to spend an awful lot of time arguing that we didn't punch ourselves in the testicles with as much force as some commentators claim.
I would argue punching yourself in the testicles is a bad thing to do however you do it.
The problems of being in the EU still apply as the deal done means that we still comply with 90% of the rules that put us at a disadvantage.
Its worse than 90%
Brits have to wait over 90% longer to be processed through Alicante Airport. Thats money check, finger print check, passport check and generally "Does he look dodgy check"..... Some get through in five to ten minutes as they used to Prior to Brexit, but if you take the "NON EU PASSPORT" line at Spanish Airports be prepared for long delays.
Brits have to wait over 90% longer to be processed through Alicante Airport. Thats money check, finger print check, passport check and generally "Does he look dodgy check"..... Some get through in five to ten minutes as they used to Prior to Brexit, but if you take the "NON EU PASSPORT" line at Spanish Airports be prepared for long delays.
242,772 people in the UK applied for an Irish passport in 2024,in 2015 the figure was 873.
I am enjoying my Brexit.
Brexiters only seem to enjoy freudenschade (a European concept)
Nobody is able to name a benefit they are enjoying from Brexit, unless they enjoy extra queuing at EU airports,
less choice in shops, and 20% more expensive EU goods because of the £ devaluing against the Euro, not to mention the paperwork now if you want to import or export to the EU.
Tanglefoot also enjoys having a rusty nail hammered into his testicles.
What price economic and political freedoms ? - We are paying peanuts , if anything at all.
Less choice ? - Our shops are piled high with enough choice for everybody.
More expensive EU goods ? - Who cares ? - Don't buy them - Buy British.
Blame the EU for the paperwork - that's up to them not us.
Queues at airports ? - I've not had a problem but again rules set by EU - blame them.
Less choice ? - Our shops are piled high with enough choice for everybody.
More expensive EU goods ? - Who cares ? - Don't buy them - Buy British.
Blame the EU for the paperwork - that's up to them not us.
Queues at airports ? - I've not had a problem but again rules set by EU - blame them.
Nov 13, 2025 -- 9:37PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
I don't, lol, ha ha ha, My workings are there, where is my mistakeIt's 4% every year
It's not 4% GDP per year - nothing like that - I've explained why more than once.
Post your link up - give us all a laugh.
Lol, he's thought about it, and still got it wrong
Where are my figures wrong?
Just show your workings,
I'm right, you know it, I know it, everybody else knows it.
You can bluster all you like
But seemingly no illustration to back up your bluster
Where are my figures wrong?
Just show your workings,
I'm right, you know it, I know it, everybody else knows it.
You can bluster all you like
But seemingly no illustration to back up your bluster
Post up your link to the "4% GDP loss caused by Brexit" article and we can go (laugh) from there.
You won't of course because you will read it through and realise you've made a fool of yourself (again).
You won't of course because you will read it through and realise you've made a fool of yourself (again).
The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) estimates that leaving the EU under the Trade and Cooperation Agreement will reduce the UK's long-run productivity by 4% compared to remaining in the EU. This is not an annual loss, but a long-term impact on the size of the economy, primarily because new trade barriers to the EU increase the cost of doing business and inhibit specialization. The full effect is expected to take 15 years to be realized.
You've been arguing the toss for years based on a complete misunderstanding of the situation.
Oh dear.
You've been arguing the toss for years based on a complete misunderstanding of the situation.
Oh dear.
Oh a tangent, we are arguing about 4% you've already
posted about now, lol
It's 4% this year, 4% last year 4% next year
They even think it could hit 5% in time now.
You know this, I know this, everybody knows this
Get yersel a bigger spade
posted about now, lol
It's 4% this year, 4% last year 4% next year
They even think it could hit 5% in time now.
You know this, I know this, everybody knows this
Get yersel a bigger spade
I will take great pleasure in visiting non EU countries that do not create immigration delays just because they are still sore at losing our EU contributions. I will deprive them of my holiday money as well. They are just like the Labour Government here. Lets be really nasty to people with money to spend.
Brexiteer Tim Martin spent years telling Britain that Brexit would “boost democracy and prosperity”.
Today?
Wetherspoons is routing its entire EU expansion through Ireland to avoid the Brexit red tape *HE* helped create.
The loudest Brexiteer in hospitality now needs the EU Single Market to grow his business because UK firms outside it can’t compete.
Brexit didn’t take back control.
It pushed British business to take flight and now Britain is rapidly becoming bankrupt and destitute.
Liz webster
Today?
Wetherspoons is routing its entire EU expansion through Ireland to avoid the Brexit red tape *HE* helped create.
The loudest Brexiteer in hospitality now needs the EU Single Market to grow his business because UK firms outside it can’t compete.
Brexit didn’t take back control.
It pushed British business to take flight and now Britain is rapidly becoming bankrupt and destitute.
Liz webster
The red tape here is all of Britain's making. They didn't have to keep the EU regulatory nightmare but both parties of Government have only added to it since Brexit. And of course the French ignore most of it anyway.
Lol, no it's not, it's caused by him supporting
leaving the EU.
So now he's done the red tape to set up an Irish company
to trade inside the EU.
leaving the EU.
So now he's done the red tape to set up an Irish company
to trade inside the EU.
A major new study from the National Bureau of Economic Research has now provided the clearest picture yet of Brexit’s economic impact. Drawing on almost ten years of data, it shows that leaving the EU has not only damaged the UK economy, it has quietly, steadily and comprehensively knocked it off course. Far from a momentary shock, Brexit has produced a slow-growth decade that no amount of political spin can disguise.
For years, arguments about Brexit felt abstract, mired in claims and counterclaims. But this new research removes the guesswork. It offers something Britain has lacked since 2016: a full, sober account of the consequences. And those consequences are stark.
The headline finding is devastating in its simplicity. By 2025, the UK economy is 6%–8% smaller than it would have been had we stayed in the EU. In economic terms, that is not a blip, a rounding error, or the unavoidable cost of “taking back control”. It is the loss of an entire decade of growth. That amounts to £165bn-£225bn a year based on UK GDP for 2024.
To put that in human terms: imagine wiping out the economic output of Scotland. That is roughly the scale of what has vanished.
The picture becomes even bleaker when you examine what underpins that headline figure. Business investment is down 12%–18%. It means fewer factories were built, fewer laboratories opened, less new equipment purchased and less innovation. In the jargon of economists: we stopped building the future.
Employment is down 3%–4%: hundreds of thousands of jobs have never existed, never provided incomes, never supported families or local economies. Productivity – the long-term engine of rising living standards, and the key ingredient Britain desperately needed to fund decent public services – is down 3%–4% too.
If Brexit had delivered even one of the transformative benefits promised by its architects, those numbers might have been offset. But it didn’t. And the losses kept compounding year after year.
The economists dismissed as ‘Project Fear’ were, if anything, too cautious. Their forecasts predicted a long-term hit of around 4%. This new research shows the real damage is closer to 6%–8%, because the grinding uncertainty of the Brexit process magnified the harm far beyond what its architects were willing to admit.
For years, arguments about Brexit felt abstract, mired in claims and counterclaims. But this new research removes the guesswork. It offers something Britain has lacked since 2016: a full, sober account of the consequences. And those consequences are stark.
The headline finding is devastating in its simplicity. By 2025, the UK economy is 6%–8% smaller than it would have been had we stayed in the EU. In economic terms, that is not a blip, a rounding error, or the unavoidable cost of “taking back control”. It is the loss of an entire decade of growth. That amounts to £165bn-£225bn a year based on UK GDP for 2024.
To put that in human terms: imagine wiping out the economic output of Scotland. That is roughly the scale of what has vanished.
The picture becomes even bleaker when you examine what underpins that headline figure. Business investment is down 12%–18%. It means fewer factories were built, fewer laboratories opened, less new equipment purchased and less innovation. In the jargon of economists: we stopped building the future.
Employment is down 3%–4%: hundreds of thousands of jobs have never existed, never provided incomes, never supported families or local economies. Productivity – the long-term engine of rising living standards, and the key ingredient Britain desperately needed to fund decent public services – is down 3%–4% too.
If Brexit had delivered even one of the transformative benefits promised by its architects, those numbers might have been offset. But it didn’t. And the losses kept compounding year after year.
The economists dismissed as ‘Project Fear’ were, if anything, too cautious. Their forecasts predicted a long-term hit of around 4%. This new research shows the real damage is closer to 6%–8%, because the grinding uncertainty of the Brexit process magnified the harm far beyond what its architects were willing to admit.
The' grinding uncertainty of the Brexit process ' was magnified by the remainers refusing to accept the result leaving the country in limbo for years.
Blame them.
Blame them.
https://julianhjessop.com/2025/01/04/is-brexit-really-costing-the-uk-economy...
The' grinding uncertainty of the Brexit process ' was magnified by the remainers refusing to accept the result leaving the country in limbo for years.
Blame them.
Oven ready deal?
£350million extra every week for the NHS brexit bonus?
It's been "Scam week" on the BBC, and you keep hearing these tales of people repeatedly send the scammers
£££ after £££ after £££, month after month.
and I think to myself "How do these people not realise they are being lied to?"
And then some brexiter pops up and reminds me how, even after 10 years, they still believe the brexit lies.
Looking on the bright side of Brexit, UK stopped immigration and kept it's tax havens.
The majority of economists believe that Brexit has harmed the UK's economy
Its real per capita income in the long term, has reduced
Its real per capita income in the long term, has reduced
Senna the Soothsayer and the cut and paste king of Old Durham Town still banging on about a near decade old vote.
Give it a rest ladies
Give it a rest ladies
JTG, Do you think foreign investment has generally avoided the UK as it is outside the EU market the last few years?
It can never be avoided,yes some don't want to admit how daft they and the gov was but....
It can never be avoided,yes some don't want to admit how daft they and the gov was but....
It's not all about money. Political and economic freedom is priceless.
We were all told before the vote that leaving the EU would cost the country over the shorter term - a fact clearly stated in the leaflet pushed through 27 million doors.
We still voted to leave.
Personally , I'm happy to pay my slice to be rid of the EU dogma.
Millions apparently felt the same way.
It's over , finished - move on.
We were all told before the vote that leaving the EU would cost the country over the shorter term - a fact clearly stated in the leaflet pushed through 27 million doors.
We still voted to leave.
Personally , I'm happy to pay my slice to be rid of the EU dogma.
Millions apparently felt the same way.
It's over , finished - move on.
Investment has been stymied by this disaster of a government , continually talking the economy down ( to score political points) coupled with constant dithering and uncertainty and huge tax hikes on businesses. Who'd want to invest in that environment ?
I saw Eurotunnels business rates were going up 200%, not sure were they given favourable terms but are pulling out of investing further,so you aren't too wrong i think.
I did think the corporation tax could have been low aka Ireland but raised instead,it is a doom loop if no one wants to invest,Reeves knows this,the isa talk trying to fix that but risk isn't for most.
I did think the corporation tax could have been low aka Ireland but raised instead,it is a doom loop if no one wants to invest,Reeves knows this,the isa talk trying to fix that but risk isn't for most.
I would have voted leave purely to get clowns like Juncker off my TV every night. I will believe that Brexit has harmed the UK if our growth and unemployment is worse than all of the members who are still in it.
A forumite named after a footballer non of us ever saw complaining
about folk discussing continuing damage done by idiots voting for brexit less than
a decade ago, such delicious irony.
No wonder he doesn't want to talk about it.
about folk discussing continuing damage done by idiots voting for brexit less than
a decade ago, such delicious irony.
No wonder he doesn't want to talk about it.
You don't discuss it though do you ? Just cut and paste or link to third parties.
And then when you get questioned you never answer but resort to playground tactics.
The damage being done to the country is by your hapless Labour heroes and will likely worsen after the Accounts lady has spoken on Wednesday.
And then when you get questioned you never answer but resort to playground tactics.
The damage being done to the country is by your hapless Labour heroes and will likely worsen after the Accounts lady has spoken on Wednesday.
I refer you to the second line of my previous post and rest my case m'lud.
https://x.com/LizWebsterSBF/status/1994052219834872250?s=19
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https://x.com/afneil/status/1996173860555673889
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It would be interesting to know which country was 2.1%?
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It would be interesting to know which country was 2.1%?
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