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Escapee
29 Dec 20 15:47
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I know most people who post on this forum don't actually bet, but for those that do the Trump Exit Date 2 market
appears to coming to a couple of crunch points and with the possibility of being settled in the next 3 or so weeks.

His Scheduled exit date of 2021 is currently 1.05--1.06  which is actually up from yesterdays 1.04--1.05
such is the strangeness of the Trump political betting markets.

2020 has also displayed a little oddness today, with backers backing it at prices from 200 down to 150.
Seeing as there are less than 2 days of 2020 left one would think the layers would be moving the price up not down.


2025 is the other notable market, with the price currently 29-30


The 2 crunch points I speak of are of course the senate rubberstamping the electoral college votes on the 6th January, and the inauguration of Biden on the 22nd Jan.


1.05 on there not being a coup would seem a very good return.

Anyone betting on this?

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By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 15:51
Quite a bit of discussion on this market on the next president thread and the main thread.
By:
Escapee
When: 29 Dec 20 15:57
"Quite a bit of discussion on this market on the next president thread and the main thread."


mostly lost in a sea of people with tiny reproductive organs constantly rubbing themselves and then ejaculating onto those threads.
By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 16:01
tinyelf54, You need to be quick but Trump is a fantastic price in this market (28s now and coming in all the time) to retain the Presidency till 2025.

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.138799270

From a few hours ago.
By:
Timber
When: 29 Dec 20 16:02
Liz Harris is doing yeoman's work in Arizona.
Gone door to door with 800 volunteers physically checking voters
She is working with another guy and combined they will produce concrete evidence tomorrow of 150k+ illegal ballots

Once one falls, they all fall.
By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 16:04
Timber, how much did you lose on the election?
By:
Timber
When: 29 Dec 20 16:08
I lost on number of seats for Trump but won a bit on next president. I still 100% believe Trump won 330+ Biden's real numbers are 60 million max.
I didn't bet much, I was more invested in the future of western civilization
By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 16:10
Timber, it's folks such as your good self that make politics betting a licence to print money.
By:
Escapee
When: 29 Dec 20 16:33
Liz Harris is doing yeoman's work in Arizona.
Gone door to door with 800 volunteers physically checking voters
She is working with another guy and combined they will produce concrete evidence tomorrow of 150k+ illegal ballots

Once one falls, they all fall.



It's this kind of belief that makes me wonder if the 2021 exit date market is currently a lay as I'm
guessing there will be a bunch of fraud court cases coming out of the Georgia run off elections and it will push
the price out further as a result.


Such is the weirdness of 2020, It would not surprise me if Trump or his supporters, instigated a fraud which
they could then prove was a fraud and thus justify further contention of the presidential succession.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 29 Dec 20 16:35
In reply to OP, yes have got loads of this, having had a few quid laying 2025 back in August and October, mostly as savers against Trump leaving before end of his first term, at a point when I was quite red on “yes”. I’m now nicely all green in that market and would like him to go in Jan for a pardon from Pence, as have nearly £3k on that outcome. Anyway, I’ve since had bets on 2021, on 2020 to avoid massive red there (never likely he’d choose to go that early but would want to be hugely exposed) and some lays of 2025.

This all gives me nearly £3k green on 2021 for £18k red 2020; £41k red 2022/3/4 and £67k red 2025. As you say, these feel like decent risks for a successful coup and ongoing tyranny lasting through the whole of 2020. Hard to quantify that but would say well over 200s.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 29 Dec 20 16:36

Dec 29, 2020 -- 4:08PM, Timber wrote:


I lost on number of seats for Trump but won a bit on next president. I still 100% believe Trump won 330+ Biden's real numbers are 60 million max.I didn't bet much, I was more invested in the future of western civilization


Funny because you called the eventual outcome on the night and didn’t suggest that it was because of fraud at the time. Did you change your mind or just not expand on your thoughts at the time?

By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 16:40
This is baffling. Is Timber saying he bet Trump for next President and won?
By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 16:42
Liz Harris is doing yeoman's work in Arizona.
Gone door to door with 800 volunteers physically checking voters
She is working with another guy and combined they will produce concrete evidence tomorrow of 150k+ illegal ballots

Once one falls, they all fall.


Who on earth believes this complete hokum?
By:
Fatslogger
When: 29 Dec 20 16:47

Dec 29, 2020 -- 4:40PM, politicspunter wrote:


This is baffling. Is Timber saying he bet Trump for next President and won?


He’s saying he switched to Biden on main market, presumably at the point he called Biden as winning it while still odds against at 5 am or whenever it was. I think this is plausible enough. I’m less convinced that he didn’t sell off his green and more to back Trump at prices over 10s when he was calling Trump as a certain winner but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there as I think he retained more critical faculties than his posting after the election would suggest and he’s an old friend and a wily trader. I think if he’d done that, he’d probably have nominated it at the time too. He’s quite happy to own up to the electoral college bets, for example.

By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 16:49
You have lost me there. He was backing Trump for ages on the main thread.
By:
Escapee
When: 29 Dec 20 16:49
Nice one Fats.

I'm torn between backing 2021 now, or waiting for a possible better price as a result of a new wave of fraud claims arising from the Georgia elections.
I went in to early on Biden at 1.04 and was a bit miffed that I could have got 1.12 two days later, So paying a bit
more attention to my entry point on this one.

(Plus about half my bank is tied up in the UK - Brexit - EU Referendum before 2021? market which is due to settle on 1st Jan)
By:
JML
When: 29 Dec 20 16:52
Biden's real numbers are 60 million max.

How can someone be so stupid.
By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 16:53
Just wait till 1st January then I guess and pile the lot into Trump exit in 2021. Knowing Trump backers, no price would be a surprise.
By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 16:54

Dec 29, 2020 -- 4:52PM, JML wrote:


Biden's real numbers are 60 million max.How can someone be so stupid.


Timber is a typical Trump backer, that's normal stuff.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 29 Dec 20 18:13

Dec 29, 2020 -- 4:49PM, politicspunter wrote:


You have lost me there. He was backing Trump for ages on the main thread.


He was, then he called Biden as winning, well before most people and, I think, placed bets accordingly. He’s fully deluded about US politics, imv, but still read election night correctly.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 29 Dec 20 18:17

Dec 29, 2020 -- 4:49PM, Escapee wrote:


Nice one Fats.I'm torn between backing 2021 now, or waiting for a possible better price as a result of a new wave of fraud claims arising from the Georgia elections. I went in to early on Biden at 1.04 and was a bit miffed that I could have got 1.12 two days later, So paying a bit more attention to my entry point on this one.(Plus about half my bank is tied up in the UK - Brexit - EU Referendum before 2021? market which is due to settle on 1st Jan)


I read the main election markets wrongly so many times it was unreal. That definitely included not reading Trump’s dead cat bounce, having lost the election. I don’t think the level of craziness was so easily called at the time though. 

Glad someone made some money out of the referendum market. I didn’t have any Brexit bets this year, although they were very lucrative indeed for me over the previous few years.

By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 19:18

Dec 29, 2020 -- 6:13PM, Fatslogger wrote:


Dec 29, 2020 --  5:49PM, politicspunter wrote:You have lost me there. He was backing Trump for ages on the main thread.He was, then he called Biden as winning, well before most people and, I think, placed bets accordingly. He’s fully deluded about US politics, imv, but still read election night correctly.


Did he post that he bet Biden because if he did, it's news to me?

By:
Fatslogger
When: 30 Dec 20 00:05
Can’t recall the exact sequence of events but he certainly called the outcome and described bets accordingly so it’s plausible. Plus as I say, he’s quite happy to own up to losses elsewhere.
By:
bingo bongo
When: 30 Dec 20 00:39
Given the reference to the 2017 inauguration in the rules am I correct in thinking that bf have been part settling this market and therefore we can expect bets on 2020 to be settled sometime soon after Jan 1st?
By:
Fatslogger
When: 30 Dec 20 02:39
Think so, yes. Haven’t been tracking it all along but it’s certainly a market that’s been up for ages and they typically settle periods of time as losers once they’ve lost.
By:
Timber
When: 30 Dec 20 05:36

Dec 29, 2020 -- 4:42PM, politicspunter wrote:


Liz Harris is doing yeoman's work in Arizona.Gone door to door with 800 volunteers physically checking votersShe is working with another guy and combined they will produce concrete evidence tomorrow of 150k+ illegal ballotsOnce one falls, they all fall.Who on earth believes this complete hokum?


Ignorance is bliss
People far far smarter than you are working day and night to produce the evidence to ensure Mike Pence does the right thing on the 6th
We will have a contingent election at the very least

By:
Timber
When: 30 Dec 20 05:40

Dec 29, 2020 -- 4:52PM, JML wrote:


Biden's real numbers are 60 million max.How can someone be so stupid.


Well you obviously are.
There are millions and millions of votes that are NOT certifiable with NO chain of custody
The courts are using laches as way to not see any evidence. Nobody wants to open Pandora's box
I will admit, the republicans dropped the ball and should have challenged some of these illegal law changes beforehand

By:
Timber
When: 30 Dec 20 05:42
It's hard to go to court and ask a judge to rule on something in the future though, that hasn't happened yet
It's classic catch 22
By:
Timber
When: 30 Dec 20 05:44
Biden is absolutely SENILE, called Harris President Elect againLaugh
By:
Timber
When: 30 Dec 20 06:08
I will say one thing I have a large bet in place on no senate majority . Ranging between 3.5 to 4s
That is already done, both dems have WON already.
Firstly there will be lots of fraud perpetuated by that disgusting being called Abrams
Secondly republicans will not vote as they are absolutely apoplectic about the traitors Kemp and Raffersperger.
The amount of anger in Georgia is off the scale.
Plus the GOP isn't supporting Trump in the biggest fraud in American history
By:
cryoftruth
When: 30 Dec 20 06:55
Timber
In some ways I quite admire you.
Of course there is the minor problem of you having supported the worse president the USA has ever had. A stupid, immoral, multiple bankrupt, tax dodging,racist,sexually abusive bozo who called American war heroes “losers” and has continued to cause his country significant embarrassment right up to his ejection from the White House.
Yet your persistence in denying facts, pretending Trump was somehow robbed without a shred of evidence, and continued attacks on Bide n, when the rest of the world can see he is actually a decent guy and a positive saint compared to the disgusting oaf Trump is remarkable indeed.
Well done.
By:
Timber
When: 30 Dec 20 08:53
A stupid, immoral, multiple bankrupt, tax dodging,racist,sexually abusive bozo who called American war heroes “losers” and has continued to cause his country significant embarrassment right up to his ejection from the White House.

Stop talking about Bite me Biden like that
By:
Timber
When: 30 Dec 20 08:55
cryer, you make yourself look a simpleton when you say no evidence.
The evidence is overwhelming but you choose to watch/read filtered news.
Think freely for once and do a bit of critical thinking.
I would give you thousands and thousands of pages to read but you aren't worth the effort because you have such a narrow mind
By:
Timber
When: 30 Dec 20 08:57
I bet you watch Keith Olbermann on repeat, hanging onto every deluded piece of bile he regurgitates from the depth of his sick and twisted body
By:
politicspunter
When: 30 Dec 20 09:27
2020 230.0
2021 1.05
2022 340.0
2023 330.0
2024 150.0
2025 28.0

Wonder what will happen to the 2021 price come Friday? Probably not much.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 30 Dec 20 09:38
Think it all stays pretty similar, PP, although the removal of the 2020 risk will give me a bit of room to back 2021 further.

Timber, isn't it funny that the vast amounts of evidence you say exists hasn't been brought before a court?  Almost like the standard of proof required would see and on some occasions has seen it laughed out of the room. How are you explaining Repubulican nominated judges displaying contempt for the cases before them? Deep state conspiracy? Incidentally, the Republicans pulled severeal court challenges to state election rules before the election.  On the whole, they went rather better than the post election humiliations you were so bullish about getting to the Supreme Court.
By:
politicspunter
When: 30 Dec 20 09:47
Are there any court cases still ongoing?
By:
Timber
When: 30 Dec 20 09:50

Dec 30, 2020 -- 9:38AM, Fatslogger wrote:


Think it all stays pretty similar, PP, although the removal of the 2020 risk will give me a bit of room to back 2021 further.Timber, isn't it funny that the vast amounts of evidence you say exists hasn't been brought before a court?

By:
Timber
When: 30 Dec 20 09:53

Dec 30, 2020 -- 9:38AM, Fatslogger wrote:


Think it all stays pretty similar, PP, although the removal of the 2020 risk will give me a bit of room to back 2021 further.Timber, isn't it funny that the vast amounts of evidence you say exists hasn't been brought before a court?

By:
Timber
When: 30 Dec 20 09:53

Dec 30, 2020 -- 9:47AM, politicspunter wrote:


Are there any court cases still ongoing?


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