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Angoose
04 Apr 20 10:58
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Nailed it in the first round of voting.
Angela Raymer elected deputy leader, got it in the third round of voting.
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Report Angoose April 4, 2020 11:01 AM BST
Sir Keir Starmer has won the contest to succeed Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader.

The shadow Brexit secretary, who has been an MP since 2015, beat out competition from front bench colleague Rebecca Long-Bailey and Wigan MP Lisa Nandy.

Sir Keir, who is named after Labour Party founder Keir Hardie, was widely expected to win the three-month contest.

Having been seen as the early favourite, he built up unassailable levels of support among Labour MPs and local constituency parties before the ballot of members opened in February.

Angela Rayner, meanwhile, has been elected as the party's new deputy leader.

The shadow education secretary finished ahead of Richard Burgon, Dawn Butler, Ian Murray and Rosena Allin-Khan in the voting.

The results were announced via the party's social media feeds at 10.45am alongside pre-recorded videos from Sir Keir and Ms Rayner.

A planned special conference to unveil the winners of both contests was cancelled due to the coronavirus pandemic.

The COVID-19 crisis - and scrutinising the government's response - will be one of the big issues in Sir Keir's early days as leader.

Another will be working to put Labour in position to win a general election once more, having last succeeded in this task 15 years ago.

Allies of Sir Keir said ahead of the announcement of the result that the scale of his anticipated victory would determine how far he is able to transform the party in his own image.

He is likely to announce his first shadow cabinet appointments on Sunday, with his choice of shadow chancellor seen as a strong indicator of the path he intends to forge.

This will be watched keenly by those within Labour, at Westminster and in the country at large.

Sir Keir has already said he intends to stick to many of Mr Corbyn's flagship policies, like abolishing tuition fees and nationalising key industries.

Mr Corbyn opted to stand down after five years as leader after December's general election.

A disastrous night for Labour saw the party register its worst performance at the ballot box since the 1930s.

Boris Johnson's landslide victory was a far cry from two years prior, when Mr Corbyn defied expectations and ensured Theresa May lost the Tories' parliamentary majority.

That proved to be the high point of his time as leader of the opposition, with Mr Corbyn serenaded with a rendition of "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" at Glastonbury.

He even reportedly declared to the festival's founder that he would be in Downing Street by that Christmas.

In a message on his Facebook page, Mr Corbyn declared that he would not be quiet now that he is returning to the backbenches.

"I can assure you my voice will not be stilled," he said.

"I'll be out there campaigning for socialism, peace and justice, and I feel sure we'll be doing that together."

More follows...
Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 11:09 AM BST
Sir Keir Starmer has tweeted a video, saying it is the "honour and privilege of [his] life" to be elected as the new Labour leader.

He says it comes "at a moment like none other in our lifetime" due to the outbreak of coronavirus.

The new leader says the current crisis "reminds us of how precious life is but also how fragile".

He adds: "It reminds us of what really matters - our family, our friends, our relationships, the love we have one another, our health, the connections with those that we don't know.

"These make up society. They remind us that we share our lives together. We have to trust one another and look after one another."

A good start.
Report flushgordon1 April 4, 2020 11:16 AM BST
Even the Jews?
Report Injera April 4, 2020 11:18 AM BST
Rayner Shocked
Report InsiderTrader April 4, 2020 11:22 AM BST
Irrelevant news.
Report Whisperingdeath April 4, 2020 11:29 AM BST
So irrelevant you feel the need to comment on it?
Report Angoose April 4, 2020 11:30 AM BST
It may just be an attempt to shut down debate, but IT doesn't do that, does he Grin
Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 11:33 AM BST
In the 2019 general election, folks that had voted Labour in the past but hadn't done so this time gave their main reasons as Corbyn and Brexit. With Corbyn out of the way and Brexit on the back burner for now, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Labour start to close the gap now.
Report Angoose April 4, 2020 11:33 AM BST
Labour leadership result, breakdown:

Members (401,521):
Starmer: 56.1%
Long Bailey: 29.3%
Nandy 14.6%

Affiliates (76,068):
Starmer: 53.1%
Nandy: 24.6%
Long Bailey: 22.3%

Registered supporters (13,006):
Starmer: 78.6%
Nandy: 16.4%
Long Bailey: 5.0%

A clear victory in all three strands of the electorate.
Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 11:35 AM BST
That registered supporters number is very interesting. Support is clearly out there for Starmer.
Report InsiderTrader April 4, 2020 11:43 AM BST
The issue they might face is he is another London millionaire lawyer.

Not sure how that sits in the seats of the former red wall.

With Covid-19 going on anything could happen to be fair.

Right now Boris has record levels of support but as Churchill found out winning the war does not necessarily mean you win the next election.

There will be major economic hardship when this crisis is over. Both parties will have to tax and borrow their way out of it.
Report Whisperingdeath April 4, 2020 11:45 AM BST
From the man who posted “  irrelevant news “!
Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 11:46 AM BST

Apr 4, 2020 -- 11:45AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


From the man who posted “

Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 11:46 AM BST
Whisperingdeath • April 4, 2020 11:45 AM BST
From the man who posted “  irrelevant news “!

LOL Grin
Report akabula April 4, 2020 12:03 PM BST
Sir Keir Starmer

Fee-paying grammar school
Oxford University
Barrister
Queen’s Counsel
Knight
Privy Councillor
EU lover
Supporter of the Surrender Act

Sounds like just the guy to win back the Labour heartlands
Report sofiakenny April 4, 2020 12:11 PM BST
Ackiebigot..it dont matter where you come from...its where you are going that matters..thought you would approve of him.
Report flushgordon1 April 4, 2020 12:13 PM BST
Just like Keir Hardie!!

Oh noez its metropolitan Londinistan Labour again.
Report Foinavon April 4, 2020 12:15 PM BST
They were all useless candidates but Labour is to be congratulated on managing to pick the least useless one this time.
Let's see who he picks for his team.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 4, 2020 12:20 PM BST
good luck to him

lets hope the gutter press give him a fair platform to advance his policy
Report Injera April 4, 2020 12:26 PM BST
Good post IT.

All to play in the next year or 3. Bizarrely Corbyn has got the socialism he craves without being in power.
Report Foinavon April 4, 2020 12:32 PM BST
Dictatorial and potentially ruinous so has some aspects of socialism.
Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 12:40 PM BST
Thankfully, Boris has invited Starmer and other major party leaders to government coronavirus meetings. It's not quite a government of national unity which is so desperately needed right now but it's a start, albeit very late.
Report flushgordon1 April 4, 2020 12:44 PM BST
Bollox- 10 more years.
Report baNjackst April 4, 2020 1:05 PM BST
The biggest instigator of Labour's downfall in last election is now the leader. Laughable
Report markzzz April 4, 2020 1:09 PM BST
Oh the irony!

Johnson constantly criticised on here for his privileged background.

Starmer's privileged background mentioned above, and the person highlighting it is called a bigot.
Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 1:10 PM BST

Apr 4, 2020 -- 1:05PM, baNjackst wrote:


The biggest instigator of Labour's downfall in last election is now the leader. Laughable


????

Report baNjackst April 4, 2020 1:18 PM BST
???
his vocal policies on remain didn't sit with the democratic public.
Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 1:23 PM BST
The biggest instigator of Labours downfall was Jeremy Corbyn. Starmer has replaced him.
Report Injera April 4, 2020 1:30 PM BST
Sir Keir wanted another referendum because he opposed Brexit.

He’s not a democrat as his position as shadow (anti) Brexit secretary proved.

The red wall was lost in part because of labour’s stance on the EU. And now he’s their  leader. Good luck...
Report aaronh April 4, 2020 1:31 PM BST

Apr 4, 2020 -- 11:43AM, InsiderTrader wrote:


The issue they might face is he is another London millionaire lawyer.Not sure how that sits in the seats of the former red wall.With Covid-19 going on anything could happen to be fair.Right now Boris has record levels of support but as Churchill found out winning the war does not necessarily mean you win the next election.There will be major economic hardship when this crisis is over. Both parties will have to tax and borrow their way out of it.


it obviously depends what you think the "red wall" wants from a next potential Labour leader really.

did these voters like the policy offering (or some) from Labour but just disliked, couldn't trust or thought that Corbyn would be unable to achieve them - through incompetence or lack of a unifying option within the party.

were they an ever growing social conservative grouping that were always going to be drifting away eventually? What you do here is difficult because Labour are never going to (nor should they) outflank the Tories on this.

Keir is going to perform best with probably the softest type of Labour voter - the liberal remainer who could easily vote for any of three parties and would probably vote for the Tories if they deemed them to be a bit more "sensible" or less "populist".

I think Keir might struggle because I don't think he is particularly compelling or has much about him in a world where politics is driven so much by personality these days. That he is a Sir or a fancy London lawyer I don't think is a block to the red wall voter, if they felt he was competent and advocated for things that will help them. After all, we only need to look to 4 months ago that that line is a myth!

Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 1:40 PM BST

Apr 4, 2020 -- 1:30PM, Injera wrote:


Sir Keir wanted another referendum because he opposed Brexit.He’s not a democrat as his position as shadow (anti) Brexit secretary proved.The red wall was lost in part because of labour’s stance on the EU. And now he’s their  leader. Good luck...


Brexit is in the past, so now is Corbyn.

Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 1:41 PM BST

Apr 4, 2020 -- 1:31PM, aaronh wrote:


Apr  4, 2020 -- 10:43AM, InsiderTrader wrote:The issue they might face is he is another London millionaire lawyer.Not sure how that sits in the seats of the former red wall.With Covid-19 going on anything could happen to be fair.Right now Boris has record levels of support but as Churchill found out winning the war does not necessarily mean you win the next election.There will be major economic hardship when this crisis is over. Both parties will have to tax and borrow their way out of it.it obviously depends what you think the "red wall" wants from a next potential Labour leader really.did these voters like the policy offering (or some) from Labour but just disliked, couldn't trust or thought that Corbyn would be unable to achieve them - through incompetence or lack of a unifying option within the party.were they an ever growing social conservative grouping that were always going to be drifting away eventually? What you do here is difficult because Labour are never going to (nor should they) outflank the Tories on this.Keir is going to perform best with probably the softest type of Labour voter - the liberal remainer who could easily vote for any of three parties and would probably vote for the Tories if they deemed them to be a bit more "sensible" or less "populist". I think Keir might struggle because I don't think he is particularly compelling or has much about him in a world where politics is driven so much by personality these days. That he is a Sir or a fancy London lawyer I don't think is a block to the red wall voter, if they felt he was competent and advocated for things that will help them. After all, we only need to look to 4 months ago that that line is a myth!


If a title was an issue he wouldn't have been elected overwhelmingly.

Report Mighty Whites 2008 April 4, 2020 2:02 PM BST
politicspunter 04 Apr 20 10:33 
In the 2019 general election, folks that had voted Labour in the past but hadn't done so this time gave their main reasons as Corbyn and Brexit. With Corbyn out of the way and Brexit on the back burner for now, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Labour start to close the gap now.


Its virtually impossible to not close the gap.

Kier should be a safe pair of hands for labour he at least looks as if he could be PM which is a start. He needs to cull the majority of the shadow cabinet and put forward some policies that the majority of the public can relate to.

He has a long road back to having a chance to win power but the world may be a very different place post covid19 so if labour can put forward a credible plan with competent people who knows.
Report Mighty Whites 2008 April 4, 2020 2:02 PM BST
politicspunter 04 Apr 20 10:33 
In the 2019 general election, folks that had voted Labour in the past but hadn't done so this time gave their main reasons as Corbyn and Brexit. With Corbyn out of the way and Brexit on the back burner for now, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Labour start to close the gap now.


Its virtually impossible to not close the gap.

Kier should be a safe pair of hands for labour he at least looks as if he could be PM which is a start. He needs to cull the majority of the shadow cabinet and put forward some policies that the majority of the public can relate to.

He has a long road back to having a chance to win power but the world may be a very different place post covid19 so if labour can put forward a credible plan with competent people who knows.
Report Mighty Whites 2008 April 4, 2020 2:02 PM BST
politicspunter 04 Apr 20 10:33 
In the 2019 general election, folks that had voted Labour in the past but hadn't done so this time gave their main reasons as Corbyn and Brexit. With Corbyn out of the way and Brexit on the back burner for now, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Labour start to close the gap now.


Its virtually impossible to not close the gap.

Kier should be a safe pair of hands for labour he at least looks as if he could be PM which is a start. He needs to cull the majority of the shadow cabinet and put forward some policies that the majority of the public can relate to.

He has a long road back to having a chance to win power but the world may be a very different place post covid19 so if labour can put forward a credible plan with competent people who knows.
Report Mighty Whites 2008 April 4, 2020 2:02 PM BST
politicspunter 04 Apr 20 10:33 
In the 2019 general election, folks that had voted Labour in the past but hadn't done so this time gave their main reasons as Corbyn and Brexit. With Corbyn out of the way and Brexit on the back burner for now, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Labour start to close the gap now.


Its virtually impossible to not close the gap.

Kier should be a safe pair of hands for labour he at least looks as if he could be PM which is a start. He needs to cull the majority of the shadow cabinet and put forward some policies that the majority of the public can relate to.

He has a long road back to having a chance to win power but the world may be a very different place post covid19 so if labour can put forward a credible plan with competent people who knows.
Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 2:04 PM BST
You can say that again.
Report thegiggilo April 4, 2020 2:23 PM BST
The policies were liked by everyone,so much so the tories copied them..
Report 1st time poster April 4, 2020 2:23 PM BST
another loser sorry arsenal fan, Laugh.
big change swapping one white ,middle class, ,London living arsenal fan for another whilte,middle class,london living arsenal fan
Report InsiderTrader April 4, 2020 2:58 PM BST
thegiggilo
04 Apr 20 13:23
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The policies were liked by everyone,so much so the tories copied them..

^

Talk us through what plans were copied?
Report lybertyne April 4, 2020 9:15 PM BST
56.2% sounds like a resounding victory but it's not.  Only 62.6% of those who could vote did vote.  37.4% of potential voters didn't vote.  Remember, unlike in national elections, those who can vote here are interested in politics enough to become Labour members.  Not voting for their new leader suggests they didn't like any of the three candidates rather than apathy.  Keir Starmer's share amounts to just 35.1% of all possible votes.
Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 9:22 PM BST

Apr 4, 2020 -- 9:15PM, lybertyne wrote:


56.2% sounds like a resounding victory but it's not.

Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 9:23 PM BST
lybertyne • April 4, 2020 9:15 PM BST
56.2% sounds like a resounding victory but it's not.  Only 62.6% of those who could vote did vote.  37.4% of potential voters didn't vote.  Remember, unlike in national elections, those who can vote here are interested in politics enough to become Labour members.  Not voting for their new leader suggests they didn't like any of the three candidates rather than apathy.  Keir Starmer's share amounts to just 35.1% of all possible votes.

I am afraid that is not how democracy works.
Report politicspunter April 4, 2020 9:25 PM BST
I think it was Albania a few years back where the government tracked down the seven or so folks that hadn't voted and slung them in jail.
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