Apr 4, 2020 -- 11:45AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
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Apr 4, 2020 -- 1:05PM, baNjackst wrote:
The biggest instigator of Labour's downfall in last election is now the leader. Laughable
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Apr 4, 2020 -- 11:43AM, InsiderTrader wrote:
The issue they might face is he is another London millionaire lawyer.Not sure how that sits in the seats of the former red wall.With Covid-19 going on anything could happen to be fair.Right now Boris has record levels of support but as Churchill found out winning the war does not necessarily mean you win the next election.There will be major economic hardship when this crisis is over. Both parties will have to tax and borrow their way out of it.
it obviously depends what you think the "red wall" wants from a next potential Labour leader really.
did these voters like the policy offering (or some) from Labour but just disliked, couldn't trust or thought that Corbyn would be unable to achieve them - through incompetence or lack of a unifying option within the party.
were they an ever growing social conservative grouping that were always going to be drifting away eventually? What you do here is difficult because Labour are never going to (nor should they) outflank the Tories on this.
Keir is going to perform best with probably the softest type of Labour voter - the liberal remainer who could easily vote for any of three parties and would probably vote for the Tories if they deemed them to be a bit more "sensible" or less "populist".
I think Keir might struggle because I don't think he is particularly compelling or has much about him in a world where politics is driven so much by personality these days. That he is a Sir or a fancy London lawyer I don't think is a block to the red wall voter, if they felt he was competent and advocated for things that will help them. After all, we only need to look to 4 months ago that that line is a myth!
Apr 4, 2020 -- 1:30PM, Injera wrote:
Sir Keir wanted another referendum because he opposed Brexit.He’s not a democrat as his position as shadow (anti) Brexit secretary proved.The red wall was lost in part because of labour’s stance on the EU. And now he’s their leader. Good luck...
Brexit is in the past, so now is Corbyn.
Apr 4, 2020 -- 1:31PM, aaronh wrote:
Apr 4, 2020 -- 10:43AM, InsiderTrader wrote:The issue they might face is he is another London millionaire lawyer.Not sure how that sits in the seats of the former red wall.With Covid-19 going on anything could happen to be fair.Right now Boris has record levels of support but as Churchill found out winning the war does not necessarily mean you win the next election.There will be major economic hardship when this crisis is over. Both parties will have to tax and borrow their way out of it.it obviously depends what you think the "red wall" wants from a next potential Labour leader really.did these voters like the policy offering (or some) from Labour but just disliked, couldn't trust or thought that Corbyn would be unable to achieve them - through incompetence or lack of a unifying option within the party.were they an ever growing social conservative grouping that were always going to be drifting away eventually? What you do here is difficult because Labour are never going to (nor should they) outflank the Tories on this.Keir is going to perform best with probably the softest type of Labour voter - the liberal remainer who could easily vote for any of three parties and would probably vote for the Tories if they deemed them to be a bit more "sensible" or less "populist". I think Keir might struggle because I don't think he is particularly compelling or has much about him in a world where politics is driven so much by personality these days. That he is a Sir or a fancy London lawyer I don't think is a block to the red wall voter, if they felt he was competent and advocated for things that will help them. After all, we only need to look to 4 months ago that that line is a myth!
If a title was an issue he wouldn't have been elected overwhelmingly.
.Apr 4, 2020 -- 9:15PM, lybertyne wrote:
56.2% sounds like a resounding victory but it's not.