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Political fact-checkers have flourished under Donald Trump, a president who according to one count uttered more than 16,000 misleading or false claims during his first three years in the White House.
The coronavirus outbreak has seen Trump add to that total. Here are some of his most misleading – and most often repeated – claims about Covid-19, his administration’s response to the outbreak and what might lie ahead.
‘Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion’
Trump has repeatedly expressed his surprise at the scale of the coronavirus as it spread around the world and raced across the US.
“I would view it as something that just surprised the whole world,” he said in a press conference earlier this month. “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion.”
In a separate briefing, Trump said: “I just think this is something … that you can never really think is going to happen.”
There is evidence, however, that not only was the Trump administration warned about the potential of a pandemic and its dangers to Americans, it was given a plan on how to deal with it, which it promptly shelved.
During the Obama administration, the national security council drew up a 69-page “playbook on fighting pandemics”, Politico has reported. The document, crafted in the wake of the 2016 Ebola outbreak, contained advice on tracking the spread of a new virus, how to ensure testing was conducted effectively and the need to stockpile emergency resources.
The incoming Trump administration was briefed on the playbook but it was was “thrown on to a shelf”, according to an anonymous official quoted by Politico.
Political fact-checkers have flourished under Donald Trump, a president who according to one count uttered more than 16,000 misleading or false claims during his first three years in the White House.
The coronavirus outbreak has seen Trump add to that total. Here are some of his most misleading – and most often repeated – claims about Covid-19, his administration’s response to the outbreak and what might lie ahead.
‘Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion’
Trump has repeatedly expressed his surprise at the scale of the coronavirus as it spread around the world and raced across the US.
“I would view it as something that just surprised the whole world,” he said in a press conference earlier this month. “Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion.”
In a separate briefing, Trump said: “I just think this is something … that you can never really think is going to happen.”
There is evidence, however, that not only was the Trump administration warned about the potential of a pandemic and its dangers to Americans, it was given a plan on how to deal with it, which it promptly shelved.
During the Obama administration, the national security council drew up a 69-page “playbook on fighting pandemics”, Politico has reported. The document, crafted in the wake of the 2016 Ebola outbreak, contained advice on tracking the spread of a new virus, how to ensure testing was conducted effectively and the need to stockpile emergency resources.
The incoming Trump administration was briefed on the playbook but it was was “thrown on to a shelf”, according to an anonymous official quoted by Politico.
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he just waffles for hours.
his supporters lap it up.
no sense of honesty or consistency from one answer to the next
trump scrapped the pandemic strategy in 2018....
his supporters lap it up.
no sense of honesty or consistency from one answer to the next
trump scrapped the pandemic strategy in 2018....
Obama and his team established a plan for a pandemic but Trump threw it on to a back shelf because of his dislike for the previous President ... tells all you need to know about the man
Even the most right wing evangelical Trump supporters, and also the lunatic gun rights lobby, and not to mention the Trump hillbilly voters.
As thick as they are, the average American voters do not like losers, and at each press conference Donald is floundering unable to grasp the seriousness of the current crisis.
The approval trends say that Donald is a dead duck at the next election.
As thick as they are, the average American voters do not like losers, and at each press conference Donald is floundering unable to grasp the seriousness of the current crisis.
The approval trends say that Donald is a dead duck at the next election.
"a president who according to one count uttered more than 16,000 misleading or false claims during his first three years in the White House."
anyone who falls for this one is either a simpleton or a psycho
anyone who falls for this one is either a simpleton or a psycho
quite often a strong mix of both, not necessarily psychotic, often more like unattended underlying psychological issues.
some of which may stem from childhood trauma, as the reaction is quite child-like, eg highly emotional, simplistic, not thought through or examined complaints, short issue attention spans (rapidly switching from one complaint to the next), and so on.
another explaining factor is anger and envy, usually based on a failure to prosper and thrive in life, some evidence for this is the reverence often given to the likes of obama or sanders, neither of whom challenge the non achiever, or have themselves achieved anything independently (always within an institution eg school or political party).
ironically they often use hyperbole, exaggeration, simplification, which is exactly what they criticize trump for, the difference being that trump will use these usually for humour, brevity, emphasis, while the rabid anti trumper will do so earnestly and seriously.
trump's effectiveness as a touchstone is particularly effective in a face to face setting as the hyper emotional cues are very apparent.
very interesting but sometimes disturbing to watch, obviously the constant media based reinforcing is responsible for the amplitude of the hysteria, but all the frequencies (metaphorically speaking).
from a USA daily paper. You have to be pretty dumb to be taken in by any one of Trump’s 16000 lies or misleading statements. I suspect his psychopathic behaviour may well be a consequence of early childhood trauma though. I had also wondered whether he might be on the autistic spectrum.
Nevertheless there is plenty of evidence below that Mr Trump is pretty much a compulsive liar, someone who lacks any moral integrity and sees no value in honesty.
By
Glenn Kessler,
Salvador Rizzo and
Meg Kelly
Jan. 20, 2020 at 8:00 a.m. GMT
Three years after taking the oath of office, President Trump has made more than 16,200 false or misleading claims — a milestone that would have been unthinkable when we first created the Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement he has uttered.
We started this project as part of our coverage of the president’s first 100 days, largely because we could not possibly keep up with the pace and volume of the president’s misstatements. We recorded 492 claims — an average of just under five a day — and readers demanded that we keep it going for the rest of Trump’s presidency.
Little did we know what that would mean.
In 2017, Trump made 1,999 false or misleading claims. In 2018, he added 5,689 more, for a total of 7,688. And in 2019, he made 8,155 suspect claims.
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In other words, in a single year, the president said more than the total number of false or misleading claims he had made in the previous two years. Put another way: He averaged six such claims a day in 2017, nearly 16 a day in 2018 and more than 22 a day in 2019.
As of Jan. 19, his 1,095th day in office, Trump had made 16,241 false or misleading claims. Only 366 days to go — at least in this term.
The president added to his total on Sunday evening with more than 20 Trumpian claims — many old favorites — during a triumphant speech at the annual conference of the American Farm Bureau Federation. He incorrectly described trade agreements — suggesting Canadian dairy tariffs were eliminated and an agreement with Japan to reduce tariffs on $7 billion of farm products was “a $40 billion deal” — and also falsely asserted that “tough” farmers and ranchers were crying as he signed a repeal of Obama-era regulations. A video of the event shows no one crying.
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In 2018 and 2019, October and November ranked as the months in which Trump made the most false or misleading claims: October 2018: 1,205; October 2019: 1,159; November 2019: 903; and November 2018: 867.
In 2018, Trump barnstormed the country in an effort to thwart a Democratic takeover of the House. The two biggest false-claim days were before the election: Nov. 5: 139, and Nov. 3: 128.
The key reasons for last year’s surge in October and November was the uproar over a phone call on July 25 in which Trump urged Ukraine’s president to announce an investigation of former vice president Joe Biden, a potential 2020 election rival — and the ensuing House impeachment inquiry. Almost 1,000 of the false and misleading claims made by the president deal with the Ukraine investigation, even though it only became a category four months ago.
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The president apparently believes he can weather an impeachment trial through sheer repetition of easily disproved falsehoods.
For instance, nearly 70 times he has claimed that a whistleblower complaint about the call was inaccurate. The report accurately captured the content of Trump’s call and many other details have been confirmed. Nearly 100 times, Trump has claimed his phone call with the Ukrainian president was “perfect,” even though it so alarmed other White House officials that several immediately raised private objections.
Three claims about the Ukraine investigation have now made it onto our list of Bottomless Pinocchios. (It takes 20 repeats of a Three- or Four-Pinocchio claim to merit a Bottomless Pinocchio, and there are now 32 entries.) Besides the claim about the whistleblower, the two other claims on the Bottomless Pinocchio list are that Biden forced the resignation of a Ukrainian prosecutor because he was investigating his son Hunter Biden and that Hunter Biden scored $1.5 billion in China after hitching a ride on Air Force Two with his father.
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Trump crossed the 10,000 mark on April 26. From the start of his presidency, he has averaged nearly 15 such claims a day.
About one in five of these claims are about the economy or jobs.
As Trump approaches a tough reelection campaign, his most repeated claim — 257 times — is that the U.S. economy today is the best in history. He began making this claim in June 2018, and it quickly became one of his favorites. The president can certainly brag about the state of the economy, but he runs into trouble when he repeatedly makes a play for the history books. By just about any important measure, the economy today is not doing as well as it did under Presidents Dwight D. Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson or Bill Clinton — or Ulysses S. Grant. Moreover, the economy is beginning to hit the head winds caused by Trump’s trade wars, with the manufacturing sector in an apparent recession.
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About one in six of Trump’s claims are about immigration, his signature issue — a percentage that increased in early 2019 when the government was partly shut down over funding for his promised wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. In fact, his second-most-repeated claim — 242 times — is that his border wall is being built. Congress balked at funding the concrete barrier he envisioned, so he has tried to pitch bollard fencing and mostly repairs of existing barriers as “a wall.” (Almost all of the 100 miles that have been completed replaced previous barriers.) The Washington Post has reported that the bollard fencing is easily breached, with smugglers sawing through it, despite Trump’s claims that it is impossible to get past.
Trump has falsely said 184 times that he passed the biggest tax cut in history. Even before his tax cut was crafted, he promised that it would be the biggest in U.S. history — bigger than Ronald Reagan’s in 1981. Reagan’s tax cut amounted to 2.9 percent of the gross domestic product, and none of the proposals under consideration came close to that level. Yet Trump persisted in this fiction even when the tax cut was eventually crafted to be the equivalent of 0.9 percent of gross domestic product, making it the eighth-largest tax cut in 100 years. This continues to be an all-purpose applause line at the president’s rallies.
On 176 occasions, Trump has claimed the United States has “lost” money on trade deficits. This reflects a basic misunderstanding of economics. Countries do not “lose” money on trade deficits. A trade deficit simply means people in one country are buying more goods from another country than people in the second country are buying from the first country. Trade deficits are also affected by macroeconomic factors, such as currencies, economic growth, and savings and investment rates.
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The president’s constant Twitter barrage also adds to his totals. Nearly 20 percent of the false and misleading statements stemmed from his itchy Twitter finger.
Trump’s penchant for repeating false claims is demonstrated by the fact that the Fact Checker database has recorded more than 400 instances in which he has repeated a variation of the same claim at least three times.
The award-winning database website, created by graphics reporter Leslie Shapiro, has an extremely fast search engine that will quickly locate suspect statements the president has made. We encourage readers to explore it in detail. We recently added a new feature that provides a URL for every claim that is fact-checked, allowing readers to post the link on social media.
Nevertheless there is plenty of evidence below that Mr Trump is pretty much a compulsive liar, someone who lacks any moral integrity and sees no value in honesty.
By
Glenn Kessler,
Salvador Rizzo and
Meg Kelly
Jan. 20, 2020 at 8:00 a.m. GMT
Three years after taking the oath of office, President Trump has made more than 16,200 false or misleading claims — a milestone that would have been unthinkable when we first created the Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement he has uttered.
We started this project as part of our coverage of the president’s first 100 days, largely because we could not possibly keep up with the pace and volume of the president’s misstatements. We recorded 492 claims — an average of just under five a day — and readers demanded that we keep it going for the rest of Trump’s presidency.
Little did we know what that would mean.
In 2017, Trump made 1,999 false or misleading claims. In 2018, he added 5,689 more, for a total of 7,688. And in 2019, he made 8,155 suspect claims.
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In other words, in a single year, the president said more than the total number of false or misleading claims he had made in the previous two years. Put another way: He averaged six such claims a day in 2017, nearly 16 a day in 2018 and more than 22 a day in 2019.
As of Jan. 19, his 1,095th day in office, Trump had made 16,241 false or misleading claims. Only 366 days to go — at least in this term.
The president added to his total on Sunday evening with more than 20 Trumpian claims — many old favorites — during a triumphant speech at the annual conference of the American Farm Bureau Federation. He incorrectly described trade agreements — suggesting Canadian dairy tariffs were eliminated and an agreement with Japan to reduce tariffs on $7 billion of farm products was “a $40 billion deal” — and also falsely asserted that “tough” farmers and ranchers were crying as he signed a repeal of Obama-era regulations. A video of the event shows no one crying.
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In 2018 and 2019, October and November ranked as the months in which Trump made the most false or misleading claims: October 2018: 1,205; October 2019: 1,159; November 2019: 903; and November 2018: 867.
In 2018, Trump barnstormed the country in an effort to thwart a Democratic takeover of the House. The two biggest false-claim days were before the election: Nov. 5: 139, and Nov. 3: 128.
The key reasons for last year’s surge in October and November was the uproar over a phone call on July 25 in which Trump urged Ukraine’s president to announce an investigation of former vice president Joe Biden, a potential 2020 election rival — and the ensuing House impeachment inquiry. Almost 1,000 of the false and misleading claims made by the president deal with the Ukraine investigation, even though it only became a category four months ago.
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The president apparently believes he can weather an impeachment trial through sheer repetition of easily disproved falsehoods.
For instance, nearly 70 times he has claimed that a whistleblower complaint about the call was inaccurate. The report accurately captured the content of Trump’s call and many other details have been confirmed. Nearly 100 times, Trump has claimed his phone call with the Ukrainian president was “perfect,” even though it so alarmed other White House officials that several immediately raised private objections.
Three claims about the Ukraine investigation have now made it onto our list of Bottomless Pinocchios. (It takes 20 repeats of a Three- or Four-Pinocchio claim to merit a Bottomless Pinocchio, and there are now 32 entries.) Besides the claim about the whistleblower, the two other claims on the Bottomless Pinocchio list are that Biden forced the resignation of a Ukrainian prosecutor because he was investigating his son Hunter Biden and that Hunter Biden scored $1.5 billion in China after hitching a ride on Air Force Two with his father.
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Trump crossed the 10,000 mark on April 26. From the start of his presidency, he has averaged nearly 15 such claims a day.
About one in five of these claims are about the economy or jobs.
As Trump approaches a tough reelection campaign, his most repeated claim — 257 times — is that the U.S. economy today is the best in history. He began making this claim in June 2018, and it quickly became one of his favorites. The president can certainly brag about the state of the economy, but he runs into trouble when he repeatedly makes a play for the history books. By just about any important measure, the economy today is not doing as well as it did under Presidents Dwight D. Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson or Bill Clinton — or Ulysses S. Grant. Moreover, the economy is beginning to hit the head winds caused by Trump’s trade wars, with the manufacturing sector in an apparent recession.
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About one in six of Trump’s claims are about immigration, his signature issue — a percentage that increased in early 2019 when the government was partly shut down over funding for his promised wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. In fact, his second-most-repeated claim — 242 times — is that his border wall is being built. Congress balked at funding the concrete barrier he envisioned, so he has tried to pitch bollard fencing and mostly repairs of existing barriers as “a wall.” (Almost all of the 100 miles that have been completed replaced previous barriers.) The Washington Post has reported that the bollard fencing is easily breached, with smugglers sawing through it, despite Trump’s claims that it is impossible to get past.
Trump has falsely said 184 times that he passed the biggest tax cut in history. Even before his tax cut was crafted, he promised that it would be the biggest in U.S. history — bigger than Ronald Reagan’s in 1981. Reagan’s tax cut amounted to 2.9 percent of the gross domestic product, and none of the proposals under consideration came close to that level. Yet Trump persisted in this fiction even when the tax cut was eventually crafted to be the equivalent of 0.9 percent of gross domestic product, making it the eighth-largest tax cut in 100 years. This continues to be an all-purpose applause line at the president’s rallies.
On 176 occasions, Trump has claimed the United States has “lost” money on trade deficits. This reflects a basic misunderstanding of economics. Countries do not “lose” money on trade deficits. A trade deficit simply means people in one country are buying more goods from another country than people in the second country are buying from the first country. Trade deficits are also affected by macroeconomic factors, such as currencies, economic growth, and savings and investment rates.
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The president’s constant Twitter barrage also adds to his totals. Nearly 20 percent of the false and misleading statements stemmed from his itchy Twitter finger.
Trump’s penchant for repeating false claims is demonstrated by the fact that the Fact Checker database has recorded more than 400 instances in which he has repeated a variation of the same claim at least three times.
The award-winning database website, created by graphics reporter Leslie Shapiro, has an extremely fast search engine that will quickly locate suspect statements the president has made. We encourage readers to explore it in detail. We recently added a new feature that provides a URL for every claim that is fact-checked, allowing readers to post the link on social media.
Is the inclusion of the word "cry" in your username coincidental?
You have to be pretty dumb to be taken in by any one of Trump’s 16000 lies or misleading statements. I suspect his psychopathic behaviour may well be a consequence of early childhood trauma though.
Good example of a child-like response when presented with a situation which cannot be processed, eg "No YOU are a early childhood trauma"
You have to be pretty dumb to be taken in by any one of Trump’s 16000 lies or misleading statements. I suspect his psychopathic behaviour may well be a consequence of early childhood trauma though.
Good example of a child-like response when presented with a situation which cannot be processed, eg "No YOU are a early childhood trauma"
By all means post a link to the list of 1600+ lies, we can examine one or two examples together...
exceptional seethe by polybot
One has to fear for the mental health of trump worshipers as the obvious limitations of their idol are exposed.
One has to fear for the mental health of trump worshipers as the obvious limitations of their idol are exposed.
Oh dear
All. the lies he has told and you want to relive all of them? Really? You have too much time.
How about “I never said Mexico would pay for the wall”. Sorry Trump, the whole world heard you. You lied.
His phone call to the Ukrainian president was”perfect”. No it wasn’t, it was overheard.
The wall is “impossible” to get past” no it isn’t.
He made the biggest tax cut in history. No he did not, another shocking lie.
Trump is a serial liar. Of course his previous boasts about “grabbing” girls by the ****, demonstrating his capacity to misuse fame and power already showed the flawed content of his character.
We have our own problem with Johnson’s dishonesty, but he is a rookie liar compared to Trump.
All. the lies he has told and you want to relive all of them? Really? You have too much time.
How about “I never said Mexico would pay for the wall”. Sorry Trump, the whole world heard you. You lied.
His phone call to the Ukrainian president was”perfect”. No it wasn’t, it was overheard.
The wall is “impossible” to get past” no it isn’t.
He made the biggest tax cut in history. No he did not, another shocking lie.
Trump is a serial liar. Of course his previous boasts about “grabbing” girls by the ****, demonstrating his capacity to misuse fame and power already showed the flawed content of his character.
We have our own problem with Johnson’s dishonesty, but he is a rookie liar compared to Trump.
His behaviour is becoming increasingly erratic. Last night at his scheduled Coronavirus press conference, from the beginning, he and a guest or so talked solely about the drugs war in southern US states. Eventually all the news channels except one switched off and later on Trump started to talk about the virus.
I have no idea for certain why he did that but he is under a lot of pressure in states like Florida, Georgia, Texas, Arizona and the like in the forthcoming presidential election.
From the bbc...
Critics have accused Mr Trump of using the briefings to boost his poll numbers at a time when campaign rallies, like all mass gatherings, are banned.
I guess that explains all the drugs war stuff last night.
Critics have accused Mr Trump of using the briefings to boost his poll numbers at a time when campaign rallies, like all mass gatherings, are banned.
I guess that explains all the drugs war stuff last night.
I explained this to you last night; you don`t accept the explanation, fair enough, but you will see it`s true once this latest chinese virus is dealt with, and The Don is using it in every rally. To ever-more rapturous cheering and widespread support
Apr 2, 2020 -- 11:30PM, timbuctooth wrote:
I explained this to you last night; you don`t accept the explanation, fair enough, but you will see it`s true once this latest chinese virus is dealt with, and The Don is using it in every rally. To ever-more rapturous cheering and widespread support
???
"I know more about South Korea than anyone".."Seoul has a population of 38 milion"
In response to your ponderings, from `Chit Chat`;
timbuctooth 01 Apr 20 22:24 Joined: 11 Jun 12 "He`s making it more obvious to dems why there`s a need for the wall to be completed, pronto. Securer borders, less virus".
Doesn`t matter now because, with incredibly fortuitous timing, (and knowing that as an avid viewer of the daily pressers, you will have just seen it for yourself), Peter Navarro confirmed my theory to be correct, just three minutes after my previous post!!
timbuctooth 01 Apr 20 22:24 Joined: 11 Jun 12 "He`s making it more obvious to dems why there`s a need for the wall to be completed, pronto. Securer borders, less virus".
Doesn`t matter now because, with incredibly fortuitous timing, (and knowing that as an avid viewer of the daily pressers, you will have just seen it for yourself), Peter Navarro confirmed my theory to be correct, just three minutes after my previous post!!
that post from last night received this response;
blackbarn 01 Apr 20 22:35
I always try to be objective with my posts, and I have to say I have not read every post on this thread, but given the subject could this be the STUPIDEST post on here yet?.
I am inordinately proud of this accolade; the more lefties deride you, the more right, correct and decent you are. I don`t need apologies from either you or Mr Blackbarn, just post proof of your donations to a good cause, namely the campaign for `Four More Years!` Thank you.
blackbarn 01 Apr 20 22:35
I always try to be objective with my posts, and I have to say I have not read every post on this thread, but given the subject could this be the STUPIDEST post on here yet?.
I am inordinately proud of this accolade; the more lefties deride you, the more right, correct and decent you are. I don`t need apologies from either you or Mr Blackbarn, just post proof of your donations to a good cause, namely the campaign for `Four More Years!` Thank you.
Poly: By all means post a link to the list of 1600+ lies, we can examine one or two examples together...
Cry: All. the lies he has told and you want to relive all of them? Really? You have too much time.
Very difficult to misunderstand the suggestion, but you managed it.
Try again.
By all means post a link to the list of 1600+ lies, we can examine one or two examples together...
Cry: All. the lies he has told and you want to relive all of them? Really? You have too much time.
Very difficult to misunderstand the suggestion, but you managed it.
Try again.
By all means post a link to the list of 1600+ lies, we can examine one or two examples together...
All. the lies he has told and you want to relive all of them?
No, as clearly stated, only one or two examples.
Really?
See above.
You have too much time.
This statement is untrue, in fact by your own criteria, it is a lie.
Sorry Trump, the whole world heard you.
Once again, clearly a lie. The deaf community is just one of the groups that didn't hear.
Nevertheless there is plenty of evidence below that Mr Trump is pretty much a compulsive liar, someone who lacks any moral integrity and sees no value in honesty.
This is particularly onerous lie, not just the dishonest diagnosis of trump, but much worse the lie that ALL individuals who have been correctly diagnosed with this condition "lack ANY moral integrity" and "see NO value in honesty". Sufferers of this condition include victims of childhood trauma even worse than you're own. Not the first time you've lied about and ridiculed the disabled.
No, as clearly stated, only one or two examples.
Really?
See above.
You have too much time.
This statement is untrue, in fact by your own criteria, it is a lie.
Sorry Trump, the whole world heard you.
Once again, clearly a lie. The deaf community is just one of the groups that didn't hear.
Nevertheless there is plenty of evidence below that Mr Trump is pretty much a compulsive liar, someone who lacks any moral integrity and sees no value in honesty.
This is particularly onerous lie, not just the dishonest diagnosis of trump, but much worse the lie that ALL individuals who have been correctly diagnosed with this condition "lack ANY moral integrity" and "see NO value in honesty". Sufferers of this condition include victims of childhood trauma even worse than you're own. Not the first time you've lied about and ridiculed the disabled.
another one..
You think Johnson is bad..
this is another lie, I have no particular strong opinions regarding him but definitely a lie to say I think he is bad.
You think Johnson is bad..
this is another lie, I have no particular strong opinions regarding him but definitely a lie to say I think he is bad.
so that's at least 4 confirmed lies in the space of one thread, to extrapolate that (say one hour) over 3 years and 16 waking hours, at your rate it would be 17520 lies in the same period as Trump?
Apr 2, 2020 -- 1:28AM, polybot wrote:
some of which may stem from childhood trauma, as the reaction is quite child-like, eg highly emotional, simplistic, not thought through or examined complaints, short issue attention spans (rapidly switching from one complaint to the next), and so on.
This is one of seven (7) consecutive posts from you. Then further down the thread you made four consecutive posts.
As a perennial multiposter (I'm really, really, really, really, really bad, though I don't think I ever managed seven) I can fully emphasise, and I don't share the following opinion myself, but some would see it as a sign of being rather emotional, having a short attention span, or at least posting things that are perhaps not entirely thought through.
Just as a heads-up.
Apr 2, 2020 -- 11:47PM, timbuctooth wrote:
In response to your ponderings, from `Chit Chat`;timbuctooth 01 Apr 20 22:24 Joined: 11 Jun 12 "He`s making it more obvious to dems why there`s a need for the wall to be completed, pronto. Securer borders, less virus".Doesn`t matter now because, with incredibly fortuitous timing, (and knowing that as an avid viewer of the daily pressers, you will have just seen it for yourself), Peter Navarro confirmed my theory to be correct, just three minutes after my previous post!!
I am afraid that I don't agree with you that building a wall with Mexico will keep the virus out.
So Trump never said Mexico would pay for the wall?
Then he never denied saying it either.
Trump is a massive liar.
Of course he also went bankrupt a few times.
Oh and he still refuses to let the public see the true extent of his tax dodging.
Oh and of course he abused his power and fame to grab girls by the puusssy, and then boast about it. Unless he was lying about that too.
He is an embarrassment to decent Americans, & a disgrace to the male gender and the human race.
Then he never denied saying it either.
Trump is a massive liar.
Of course he also went bankrupt a few times.
Oh and he still refuses to let the public see the true extent of his tax dodging.
Oh and of course he abused his power and fame to grab girls by the puusssy, and then boast about it. Unless he was lying about that too.
He is an embarrassment to decent Americans, & a disgrace to the male gender and the human race.
politicspunter 03 Apr 20 08:31
Apr 2, 2020 -- 10:47PM, timbuctooth wrote:
In response to your ponderings, from `Chit Chat`;timbuctooth 01 Apr 20 22:24 Joined: 11 Jun 12 "He`s making it more obvious to dems why there`s a need for the wall to be completed, pronto. Securer borders, less virus".Doesn`t matter now because, with incredibly fortuitous timing, (and knowing that as an avid viewer of the daily pressers, you will have just seen it for yourself), Peter Navarro confirmed my theory to be correct, just three minutes after my previous post!!
I am afraid that I don't agree with you that building a wall with Mexico will keep the virus out.
Don`t be twisting the truth! Nobody said `building a wall with Mexico will keep the virus out`, did they? You`ve managed to quote me correctly, only to then lie about it in the same post!
Apr 2, 2020 -- 10:47PM, timbuctooth wrote:
In response to your ponderings, from `Chit Chat`;timbuctooth 01 Apr 20 22:24 Joined: 11 Jun 12 "He`s making it more obvious to dems why there`s a need for the wall to be completed, pronto. Securer borders, less virus".Doesn`t matter now because, with incredibly fortuitous timing, (and knowing that as an avid viewer of the daily pressers, you will have just seen it for yourself), Peter Navarro confirmed my theory to be correct, just three minutes after my previous post!!
I am afraid that I don't agree with you that building a wall with Mexico will keep the virus out.
Don`t be twisting the truth! Nobody said `building a wall with Mexico will keep the virus out`, did they? You`ve managed to quote me correctly, only to then lie about it in the same post!
Apr 3, 2020 -- 9:08PM, timbuctooth wrote:
politicspunter 03 Apr 20 08:31 Apr 2, 2020 -- 10:47PM, timbuctooth wrote:In response to your ponderings, from `Chit Chat`;timbuctooth 01 Apr 20 22:24 Joined: 11 Jun 12 "He`s making it more obvious to dems why there`s a need for the wall to be completed, pronto. Securer borders, less virus".Doesn`t matter now because, with incredibly fortuitous timing, (and knowing that as an avid viewer of the daily pressers, you will have just seen it for yourself), Peter Navarro confirmed my theory to be correct, just three minutes after my previous post!!I am afraid that I don't agree with you that building a wall with Mexico will keep the virus out.Don`t be twisting the truth! Nobody said `building a wall with Mexico will keep the virus out`, did they? You`ve managed to quote me correctly, only to then lie about it in the same post!
???? Feel free to post again so that it's clear what you are trying to say.
[b] You`ve managed to quote me correctly, only to then lie about it
Trump would only get half of that trick correct. The lying bit of course!
Trump would only get half of that trick correct. The lying bit of course!
So can you post a link to the list of 1600+ lies? At least 2 possible reasons why you won't either because you've never seen it, or because you have seen it.
A couple more questions which you are welcome to not answer.
Is "cryoftruth" meant to be ironic?
As a child did you feel seriously or serially betrayed by an older male relative? Perhaps your father was supposed to take you somewhere one weekend but never showed up, things like that.
A couple more questions which you are welcome to not answer.
Is "cryoftruth" meant to be ironic?
As a child did you feel seriously or serially betrayed by an older male relative? Perhaps your father was supposed to take you somewhere one weekend but never showed up, things like that.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/479041-fact-checker-counts-16k-false-misleading-claims-by-trump-in-three
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Apr 4, 2020 -- 9:39AM, polybot wrote:
So can you post a link to the list of 1600+ lies? At least 2 possible reasons why you won't either because you've never seen it, or because you have seen it.A couple more questions which you are welcome to not answer.Is "cryoftruth" meant to be ironic?As a child did you feel seriously or serially betrayed by an older male relative? Perhaps your father was supposed to take you somewhere one weekend but never showed up, things like that.
Dearie me, this is poor stuff.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/479041-fact-checker-counts-16k-false-misleading-claims-by-trump-in-three
Don't want to criticize you as you are probably doing your best but I don't think you understand the question.
A
LINK
TO
THE
16000+
LIES
This document will include references, dates, etc
Then we can proceed to examine one or two.
Don't want to criticize you as you are probably doing your best but I don't think you understand the question.
A
LINK
TO
THE
16000+
LIES
This document will include references, dates, etc
Then we can proceed to examine one or two.
The link he posted has a very visible link to what you want.
Also, google exists.
Also, google exists.
To save you the work
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2
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Well done.
Let's take the first 2.
1
”Under this landmark agreement, China will now be purchasing $40 billion to $50 billion of agricultural products every single year, tripling our agricultural exports to China.”
The document claims this (exact?) statement was repeated 22 times, it provides no links to these dates, so this isn't one of the lies, but 22.
The lie itself is merely that the range was off slightly? That's it?
Instead of 40-50 it was "$36.3 billion in 2020 and $43.3 billion in 2012." 2012? Isn't the document lying here? But presuming the real date should be 2022 that's within range and growing.
So basically this guy begins reversing the chinese trade deficit to the tune of tens of billions but the big story is orange man bad because he only made the US 32 billion in the first year, not 40? ffs.
2
“The catastrophe, the disaster known as NAFTA…. Our jobs left, our factories closed.”
This one statement accounts for 114 of the lies, once again no links, no dates, no references.
The document claims it's "over the top", but even the one cherry picked opinion confirms that jobs left and factories closed.
So it's orange man bad despite his USMCA giving (amongst many other things) Mexican auto industry a $16 minimum wage, increased union representation, improved industry standards etc because he said something "over the top"?
And on and on it goes.
Let's take the first 2.
1
”Under this landmark agreement, China will now be purchasing $40 billion to $50 billion of agricultural products every single year, tripling our agricultural exports to China.”
The document claims this (exact?) statement was repeated 22 times, it provides no links to these dates, so this isn't one of the lies, but 22.
The lie itself is merely that the range was off slightly? That's it?
Instead of 40-50 it was "$36.3 billion in 2020 and $43.3 billion in 2012." 2012? Isn't the document lying here? But presuming the real date should be 2022 that's within range and growing.
So basically this guy begins reversing the chinese trade deficit to the tune of tens of billions but the big story is orange man bad because he only made the US 32 billion in the first year, not 40? ffs.
2
“The catastrophe, the disaster known as NAFTA…. Our jobs left, our factories closed.”
This one statement accounts for 114 of the lies, once again no links, no dates, no references.
The document claims it's "over the top", but even the one cherry picked opinion confirms that jobs left and factories closed.
So it's orange man bad despite his USMCA giving (amongst many other things) Mexican auto industry a $16 minimum wage, increased union representation, improved industry standards etc because he said something "over the top"?
And on and on it goes.
You surely are not seriously going to go through all of Trumps sixteen thousand odd lies one by one? It would be like painting the Forth bridge. Once you have got to the end you would have to start all over again.
Not to analyze the people who buy into this but it's often the case with very damaged, angry or bitter to people project their hatred, often a spouse will fixate on trivial things, or catastrophise past or future events, not able to let go, or focus on anything positive. Sometimes it's an unwillingness to recognize or address deep personal issues which, unable to fix, set about fixing the world instead and it's imaginary monsters.
Apr 4, 2020 -- 10:33AM, edy wrote:
Gotta love hobby psychotherapists.
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polybot, this is a betting forum. We bet on politics not because of which way we vote but place money on what we think is value. You would be better posting on a different site such as this one here..
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/
There are sections for voting thoughts all over the world.
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/
There are sections for voting thoughts all over the world.
Just to reinforce the above post. I don't like Trump. However, I bet on him to win the 2016 election because he was a good value price. What's more, I will bet him again in this years election if he is also the value bet. I don't care who wins as long as I win money.
i thought everybody was like that
then i joined betfair forum
a real eye opener and good explanation as to why so many folk lose money on their favourites.
then i joined betfair forum
a real eye opener and good explanation as to why so many folk lose money on their favourites.
there is always the reverse of that too, it would seem
those that bet against the outcome they would prefer
then they feel happy if they lose.
bizarre....
those that bet against the outcome they would prefer
then they feel happy if they lose.
bizarre....
He may well get in again. This however has no relevance to his inability to tell the truth.
George Washington ...grave...turning in...
George Washington ...grave...turning in...
Good work, polybot! These lefties really don`t respond well to any challenging of their lies, do they!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/20/president-trump-made-1624...
polybot, this is a betting forum. We bet on politics not because of which way we vote but place money on what we think is value. You would be better posting on a different site such as this one here..
I didn't start the thread, wouldn't it make more sense to direct this complaint to the OP?
Besides, if you want to understand how the world works, you need to understand the individuals in it, at every level. Especially in politics.
I didn't start the thread, wouldn't it make more sense to direct this complaint to the OP?
Besides, if you want to understand how the world works, you need to understand the individuals in it, at every level. Especially in politics.
Apr 5, 2020 -- 10:11AM, polybot wrote:
polybot, this is a betting forum. We bet on politics not because of which way we vote but place money on what we think is value. You would be better posting on a different site such as this one here..I didn't start the thread, wouldn't it make more sense to direct this complaint to the OP?Besides, if you want to understand how the world works, you need to understand the individuals in it, at every level. Especially in politics.
polybot, you were pointlessly flooding the thread. I hopefully pointed out to you that the folks that populate this particular part of the world bet on politics to try and win money. The result is irrelevant, certainly to me.
You surely are not seriously going to go through all of Trumps sixteen thousand odd lies one by one? It would be like painting the Forth bridge. Once you have got to the end you would have to start all over again.
Trump lies far far more often than that.
It is interesting to try to understand why he is like he is.
For instance, why did he feel the need to boast about grabbing girls by their p***ies?
Why does he seem to have a deep seated hatred of foreigners, hispanics and black people?
Why does he become extremely defensive?
Early childhood neglect would be a major possibility. He would consequently not be able to feel empathy and be likely to have a “hair trigger” attack response when something happened that he did not understand and he immediately assumed he was being attacked. He also has a deep seated feeling of inferiority. This is at least rational as he demonstrates his ethical inferiority to most other people every time he blathers tripe on twitter.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/20/president-trump-made-16241-false-or-misleading-claims-his-first-three-years/
"Three years after taking the oath of office, President Trump has made more than 16,200 false or misleading claims — a milestone that would have been unthinkable when we first created the Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement he has uttered."
The irony is this statement in itself is an obvious lie, as that was the explicit assignment they were given, which was to discredit Trump using clearly dishonest and misleading methodologies, and one which started on day one of the presidency like all the other democrat party's subversive tactics. The WP is owned by anti-trumper billionaire jeff bezos.
"Three years after taking the oath of office, President Trump has made more than 16,200 false or misleading claims — a milestone that would have been unthinkable when we first created the Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement he has uttered."
The irony is this statement in itself is an obvious lie, as that was the explicit assignment they were given, which was to discredit Trump using clearly dishonest and misleading methodologies, and one which started on day one of the presidency like all the other democrat party's subversive tactics. The WP is owned by anti-trumper billionaire jeff bezos.
Good work, polybot! These lefties really don`t respond well to any challenging of their lies, do they!
Sadly a lot of them aren't technically lying, they genuinely believe this extremely obvious agitprop. Maybe they desperately need to believe it.
Sadly a lot of them aren't technically lying, they genuinely believe this extremely obvious agitprop. Maybe they desperately need to believe it.
Donald Trump has directly urged Americans worried about Covid-19 to take a little-studied anti-malaria drug for the disease, despite potentially serious side effects and a lack of data on safety and efficacy in treatment of the pandemic virus.
At a lengthy, rambling and combative briefing on Saturday afternoon, the president also sought to discredit media reports of his administration’s failures and called some outlets in the White House press corps “fake news”.
Scientists around the world are looking for potential treatments but so far have not found a success. The drug repeatedly pushed by Trump, hydroxychloroquine, has only shown anecdotal promise.
The drug is used to treat malaria, arthritis and lupus. Reports of its potential have driven up sales and made it difficult for Americans who rely on the drug to fill prescriptions.
“What do you have to lose? What do you have to lose?” Trump said from the White House podium. “Take it.”
He also said he “may take it” himself, though he would “have to ask my doctors about that”.
The president’s own public health advisers, who stood with him in the briefing room on Saturday, have warned against taking hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19.
At a lengthy, rambling and combative briefing on Saturday afternoon, the president also sought to discredit media reports of his administration’s failures and called some outlets in the White House press corps “fake news”.
Scientists around the world are looking for potential treatments but so far have not found a success. The drug repeatedly pushed by Trump, hydroxychloroquine, has only shown anecdotal promise.
The drug is used to treat malaria, arthritis and lupus. Reports of its potential have driven up sales and made it difficult for Americans who rely on the drug to fill prescriptions.
“What do you have to lose? What do you have to lose?” Trump said from the White House podium. “Take it.”
He also said he “may take it” himself, though he would “have to ask my doctors about that”.
The president’s own public health advisers, who stood with him in the briefing room on Saturday, have warned against taking hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19.
Trump lies far far more often than that.
Better make this my last reply cryoftruth, before i get reported by politics punter for replying to posts.
I'll ignore most of the 16000+ which predominantly use the trick of taking vernacular, casual or humourous speech, transcribing it, and hyper-literalising it into an orwellian style linguistic process crime.
Instead we'll look at your list of some of the worst crimes/lies, and presumably your strongest examples.
So Trump never said Mexico would pay for the wall?
No one denies he said it, at worst it's a broken election promise, but he is still president so this may still happen, many millions have already been clawed back from mexico via USMCA, or a 20 percent tax on remittances alone will pay for the most expensive estimate over 5 years.
But the wall has barely been started because the democrats have blocked every step, not because they care about human trafficking, the fentanyl trade that kills tens of thousands of americans annually, the enormous cartel violence etc, they block it because they hate trump.
Then he never denied saying it either.
That's right, as above, it would be relatively easy to get the money from mexico.It's fairly obvious he meant the wall gets built then mexico pays over time, not mexico delivers 50 billion cash on a pallet (obama style) and trump pays bob the builder with it.
Trump is a massive liar.
See this entire thread.
Of course he also went bankrupt a few times.
No, HE never went bankrupt, he put some of his entities (6 i think) into chapter 11 protection, a fairly common practice.
Oh and he still refuses to let the public see the true extent of his tax dodging.
No, there is no obligation to release private tax filings to the public. His taxes are reviewed and audited by the IRS, remember obama had highly politicized the IRS and used it to target conservatives, so if there was hint of illegality obama would have already used it.
Oh and of course he abused his power and fame to grab girls by the pusssy, and then boast about it. Unless he was lying about that too.
No, not one girl has even claimed to have been **** grabbed by trump. He did say something like, in a private conversation, that was secretly recorded, then released prior to an election, "SOME girls will let you grab them by the **** if you are famous". Shockingly, I can confirm that this is true, though I have also never grabbed a stranger by the ****, at least not without permission.
He is an embarrassment to decent Americans, & a disgrace to the male gender and the human race.
You forgot "literally Hitler".
Better make this my last reply cryoftruth, before i get reported by politics punter for replying to posts.
I'll ignore most of the 16000+ which predominantly use the trick of taking vernacular, casual or humourous speech, transcribing it, and hyper-literalising it into an orwellian style linguistic process crime.
Instead we'll look at your list of some of the worst crimes/lies, and presumably your strongest examples.
So Trump never said Mexico would pay for the wall?
No one denies he said it, at worst it's a broken election promise, but he is still president so this may still happen, many millions have already been clawed back from mexico via USMCA, or a 20 percent tax on remittances alone will pay for the most expensive estimate over 5 years.
But the wall has barely been started because the democrats have blocked every step, not because they care about human trafficking, the fentanyl trade that kills tens of thousands of americans annually, the enormous cartel violence etc, they block it because they hate trump.
Then he never denied saying it either.
That's right, as above, it would be relatively easy to get the money from mexico.It's fairly obvious he meant the wall gets built then mexico pays over time, not mexico delivers 50 billion cash on a pallet (obama style) and trump pays bob the builder with it.
Trump is a massive liar.
See this entire thread.
Of course he also went bankrupt a few times.
No, HE never went bankrupt, he put some of his entities (6 i think) into chapter 11 protection, a fairly common practice.
Oh and he still refuses to let the public see the true extent of his tax dodging.
No, there is no obligation to release private tax filings to the public. His taxes are reviewed and audited by the IRS, remember obama had highly politicized the IRS and used it to target conservatives, so if there was hint of illegality obama would have already used it.
Oh and of course he abused his power and fame to grab girls by the pusssy, and then boast about it. Unless he was lying about that too.
No, not one girl has even claimed to have been **** grabbed by trump. He did say something like, in a private conversation, that was secretly recorded, then released prior to an election, "SOME girls will let you grab them by the **** if you are famous". Shockingly, I can confirm that this is true, though I have also never grabbed a stranger by the ****, at least not without permission.
He is an embarrassment to decent Americans, & a disgrace to the male gender and the human race.
You forgot "literally Hitler".
I don't think he can literally be Hitler. Figuratively maybe.
From Trump On 9 March: "Last year 37,000 Americans died from the common flu. Nothing is shut down, life and the economy go on... Think about that."
It was imbecility like this from Trump that has directly led to Americans being dumped in mass graves in New York. His crazy supporters will forgive him anything of course but his shocking slackness, lack of proper leadership and his bizaare press conferences do seem to be combining to give Biden a strong chance.
It was imbecility like this from Trump that has directly led to Americans being dumped in mass graves in New York. His crazy supporters will forgive him anything of course but his shocking slackness, lack of proper leadership and his bizaare press conferences do seem to be combining to give Biden a strong chance.
Banning incoming flights from China in January was the first one. Biden denounced it as xenophobia.
Flights were still flying to the USA from China after Trump announced the "ban".
I believe only Americans could actually get off and leave the airport after testing.
And of course we are still allowing death planes from New York into Heathrow. No testing, no nothing. Virus spreaders welcome.
Madness.
Madness.
“I was being sarcastic about curing corona with disinfectant”
The number of 5 star porkies just goes on rising every time the orange bozo opens his plastic cake hole.
The number of 5 star porkies just goes on rising every time the orange bozo opens his plastic cake hole.
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