Beware if you are thinking of switching vote from the Brexit Party to the Tories

Force the Tories into a pact to get your vote.

Brexit Party fighting for survival imo.  This stunt by Farage is a clear bluff. Both the Brexit Party and the Conservatives know that leavers will be conscious of splitting vote. Most potential Brexit party voters will reluctantly switch to Conservatives to avoid this.

Its a result of stupid electoral system.

Now if we had proportional representation )PR) like most modern countries - you could vote for the Brexit candidate as your number one preference, safe in the knowledge that if he/she didn't make it then the vote would only then transfer to a Conservative still in the running.

This (as far as is practically possible) fully reflects voting preferences and results in having number of seats reflecting percentage of vote.

(As a SNP supporter I don't want to see PR in Scotland as with 40% of votes we'll get 80^ of seats. But I have to accept it is completely unfair.

To understand why the UK must urgently leave the EU without a deal, please search for and watch "Brexit: The Movie".

Farage's statement was excellent.

Now, either brexiteers have to choose which version of brexit to vote for, or either Nige or Johnson caves in on their stance and looks weak.


Lovely stuff.

#ManagedNoDealIsTheOnlyRealDeal
#NoDealNoProblem
#CleanBreakBrexit
#SayNoToTheRecycledMayDealThatKeepsTheUKinTheClawsOfTheEU

#YesToTheUnion
#NoToTheEUAnnexingNorthernIreland

#faragenose

Clearly anyone that truly believes in Brexit would vote Brexit Party. Those that just do what The Telegraph and Daily Mail tell them to do will vote Tories.

why?

The thick ones will still be brainwashed

The 17.4 million all knew what they were voting for so there cant be two different parties arguing what brexit means
after 3 and a half years, ffs

n88uk 01 Nov 19 19:04 
Clearly anyone that truly believes in Brexit would vote Brexit Party. Those that just do what The Telegraph and Daily Mail tell them to do will vote Tories

Last time i saw one of them it was going round my u bend covered in excrement befire i had a sh1t..

Nov 1, 2019 -- 1:08PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

The thick ones will still be brainwashedThe 17.4 million all knew what they were voting for so there cant be two different parties arguing what brexit meansafter 3 and a half years, ffs

Well that's the current state for you

"leave" and "remain" were the two options, there was no "soft brexit" or "hard brexit" or "this type of brexit" options

I've said it many times but within 5 minutes of the result the BBC were running with 'will it be a hard or soft brexit'. I said at the time that was the moment people needed to kick off and burn the place down, but was told to shut up

3 and a half years later and they've created a big long drawn out movie, whereby there's 6 different parties offering their own type of "brexit".

And whilst people are arguing, they are stripping away at your rights

"remainers" are the one's screeching "but they didn't know how to deliver it"

Well there was not big "deliver", it was leave and that was that

There's no such thing as "negotiation"

Nigel Farage says Brexit Party plans to win over Labour voters with 'cheaper food and cheaper bras''!!

Farage likes a cheap bra ?

Vote Brexit Party to leave the EU then get a great deal while staying out of the EU.

Cheaper bras are very appealing once you are of a certain age.

Are man boobs a big problem in England?

https://twitter.com/rebelwarrior11/status/1171572338359447552

Target voter...

Man boobs are a feature of middle aged men across the world. Strap up and get on with it would be my advice.

Just for remainers, no i dont wear a bra.

remainers also wear matching knickers

Nov 2, 2019 -- 4:20AM, eric_morris wrote:

Just for remainers, no i dont wear a bra.

Why not?

I agree with Eric that anyone who wants Brexit and not BRINO should vote for the Brexit Party. If that lets in a Labour coalition so be it. Under those circumstances we will have to relearn the lessons of the 1970s which will no doubt come as an unpleasant shock to the youngsters who naively believe in the socialist unicorns and magic money tree. We oldies are better placed to withstand proper austerity as we have experienced it before.
Edy, I sincerely hope that your dreams of a 4th Reich unencumbered by the dragging anchor of UK opposition the The Project will be realised in the very near future. Good luck.

Support Jeremy- Vote Brexit Party!

looking like boris can get a majority without the brexit party.

Only the hardest of hard brexiters are going to vote for the brexit party in seats that matter the vast majority will return to the tory fold. 80% of brexit voters approve of boris as a leader.

I doubt brexit partyy will even come close to matching ukip 2015

Nov 2, 2019 -- 7:36AM, Mighty Whites 2008 wrote:

looking like boris can get a majority without the brexit party.Only the hardest of hard brexiters are going to vote for the brexit party in seats that matter the vast majority will return to the tory fold. 80% of brexit voters approve of boris as a leader. I doubt brexit partyy will even come close to matching ukip 2015

It really depends how many constituencies the Brexit Party stand candidates. Make no mistake, if they stand them in every one, they will seriously damage the tory vote.

I read that Farage could be Boris' kingmaker by collecting vital Labour votes of people that desperately want to support the Elite's pet project that is Brexit, but just would never ever vote Tories.

Looking at the workington poll its exactly whats happened,the reverse is happening to what they forecast labour losing votes to both,so much for that theory so in effect farage is winning the tories the election ater all..it seemed obvious at the time but these genius polls seemed to contradict saying the oppoite.And the crazy thing is farage is trying to stop the tories but actually helping them..

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nigel-farage-boris-johnson-brexit-party-campaign-eu-latest-a9181726.html

that's where I read it

Tories win 450 seats on that workington result,that would be down to the brexit party after all as normally labour voters..

I told you this before , but it’s early days
Eliminate the dirty remainers from Parliament and England

No one , no decent person , should vote labour or libdems
no, no I am not telling lies

I always think it's amazing when remainers think they are entitled to having a voice.

The UK is heading for the 21stC equivalent status of Greece under the "Colonels" or Franco's Spain

Not sure they will seriously damage the tories PP.

Bexit and the tories are at nearly 50% in the polls but remember there are 5 million labour leave voters.

When the day of reckoning comes I can't see many tory brexiters voting brexit if their constituency is tight.

I would be surprised if Brexit party get 10% in the election and wouldn't be surprised if they took more votes of labour.

Saw a poll for workington by survation

cons 45% +3
labour 34% - 17
Brexit 13% +13
LD 5% -2
Greens 2% +2

This kinds of supports how I am seeing things. Its a labour seat. Brexit are picking up 13% but the cons are winning the seat.

Suspect Labour are going to get annihilated.

Nov 2, 2019 -- 12:32PM, Mighty Whites 2008 wrote:

Not sure they will seriously damage the tories PP.Bexit and the tories are at nearly 50% in the polls but remember there are 5 million labour leave voters.When the day of reckoning comes I can't see many tory brexiters voting brexit if their constituency is tight.I would be surprised if Brexit party get 10% in the election and wouldn't be surprised if they took more votes of labour.Saw a poll for workington by survationcons 45% +3labour 34% - 17Brexit 13% +13LD 5% -2Greens 2% +2This kinds of supports how I am seeing things. Its a labour seat. Brexit are picking up 13% but the cons are winning the seat.Suspect Labour are going to get annihilated.

Somehow I don't think that one poll in one constituency that the tories are currently favourite to win anyway is a fair representation.  There is a long long way to go.

But the poll is suggesting that the brexit vote is impacting on labour more than the tories. Remember in the last election teresa got 42.6% of the vote only 200,00 less votes than Blair in his 97 landslide so a significant proportion of the population voted tory last time.

Labour racked up a huge number of votes last time I just cant see that holding up if brexit stand in the north and midlands they will take a big chunk of labour votes and that will be enough for the tories to win tight seats.

Nov 2, 2019 -- 1:19PM, Mighty Whites 2008 wrote:

But the poll is suggesting that the brexit vote is impacting on labour more than the tories. Remember in the last election teresa got 42.6% of the vote only 200,00 less votes than Blair in his 97 landslide so a significant proportion of the population voted tory last time.Labour racked up a huge number of votes last time I just cant see that holding up if brexit stand in the north and midlands they will take a big chunk of labour votes and that will be enough for the tories to win tight seats.

It's not suggesting that to me.

Labour won the seat in 2017. Tories are set to win based on the poll despite brexit having 13%

Brexit are going to pick up a lot of labour leave votes especially males

Nov 2, 2019 -- 2:07PM, Mighty Whites 2008 wrote:

Labour won the seat in 2017. Tories are set to win based on the poll despite brexit having 13%Brexit are going to pick up a lot of labour leave votes especially males

The tories are favourite to win the seat and I expect they will win it. The type of voter that the Brexit Party normally tend to attract are elderly and male ie traditional  Conservative voters.

A strong Brexit party vote nationwide would surely let in Corbyn ,then the referendum would be remain OR a soft customs union "Brexit" ,which would be voted down by 70% ,Juncker/tusk and barnier win ,we all loose.

Its about the future. Leavers dont yet realise that Boris deal is just a transition period away from rejoining the EU.

We will be shown the errors of our ways by an EU who still have control of us while we have no say.

The liberal elites will make the absolute most of this in the media.


You have to look ahead with Brexit this is early doors.

We are currently just going through the process of fkin off those who are trying to overturn a democratic vote. They are skiving out of the election many of whom are afraid of voter revenge but are claiming it is because of abuse.

The next stage is for leavers to realise the major parties including the Tories dont really want us to actually ‘Leave Means Leave’ but to BRINO and hope to get away with it to save their party.

Once we see the power the EU still have over us with the deal during the transition we will be bullied into accepting the views of all the ‘wise men’, who are also remoaners, that we should rejoin.

flat16 02 Nov 19 22:26 
A strong Brexit party vote nationwide would surely let in Corbyn ,then the referendum would be remain OR a soft customs union "Brexit" ,which would be voted down by 70% ,Juncker/tusk and barnier win ,we all loose

147 posts in 16 years,another double account same old drivel as well,should try ad be a little bit more original..

Incorrect about the double account.
Originality and conspiracy theories sometimes obscure the obvious .

Reasons to (not) be cheerful, part 3.

https://mailchi.mp/thebrexitparty.org/if-you-only-read-one-thing-about-boris...

Agree with eric-moritz on this.
If you want Brexit  vote Brexit.
If you want another 3 and a half years of being screwed about by people who arent committed vote tory, Labour or Lib so called Democrats, or SNP

flat16 03 Nov 19 09:38 
Incorrect about the double account.
Originality and conspiracy theories sometimes obscure the obvious



Nope..

From all known experience of parliament, there is no appetite or majority for leaving the EU with no deal and I can see no reason for that to change after the next election. For some reason, Brexit Party followers fail to understand this so are campaigning on a failed policy. Its a backwards philosophy based on an unachievable sense of perfection that makes no sense. Unless the Brexit Party carries a majority the paradox will be voting for the Brexit Party will have the effect of not delivering Brexit.

Farage is carrying out a negotiation so will start with an extreme position to see what if any advantage can be gained. He would like to have a few MPs elected for his party.
Pragmatism will emerge before the candidates deadline or at least I hope so.

Farage has an extreme view on Brexit which is incompatible with the current tory position so how could there be a deal. It could also be assumed any Brexit MPs elected would act against a victorious tory government in a similar way to the DUP representatives.

Are you saying the Tories have been lying when they have said they will revert to No Deal if a deal cannot get through the Commons?

If they are then we may never leave. Thank goodness the Brexit Party are there to keep them honest.

Of course they're lying. They have no intention of using no deal. Never have done.

The clue is in the name really, if Brexit is the sole reason for your vote you vote for Brexit Party, not exactly hard to work out.

Nov 4, 2019 -- 12:30PM, eric_morris wrote:

Are you saying the Tories have been lying when they have said they will revert to No Deal if a deal cannot get through the Commons?If they are then we may never leave. Thank goodness the Brexit Party are there to keep them honest.

They get a majority they'll get it straight through

n88uk is right if that's your want

My advise is don't vote, and down tools for 1 week and watch them squirm, once they squirm you've got them in checkmate

They will never leave with no deal,complete cuckoo land they know the consequences irrepairable damage...good luck with that project..

They wont collapse the world economy either, that's just a lie to keep you in fear

Who's going to build their cars? build their boats? build their skyscrapers?

Don't believe that old chestnut

Only a dummy believes Project Fear now.

Cliff edge
Crash out

All phrases invented to steer us away from leaving the EU.

The EU will soon be on the phone to get a deal if we go off the ‘cliff edge’ and ‘crash out’.

eric_morris 05 Nov 19 22:13 
The EU will soon be on the phone to get a deal if we go off the ‘cliff edge’ and ‘crash out’.
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They didn't the last time. Johnson made all the moves (with all the bluster) to leave with or without a deal. The EU didn't even come close to blinking!! We caved-in for the second time. Johnson then completely bent over by going back to the original deal (which was unacceptable -  NI stays in EU, 39 Billion, Citizens rights).

Need to get that out of your head.  Its no deal or EU designed deal. That's it.  We are the small player here - they are about ten times the size of UK in economic strength.

Have any of you seen the state of the eu economy - they are printing 20 billion a day to keep its head above water

Rubbish. The EU and their mouthpiece Varadkar nearly shat themselves when Cummings leaked the text on the Tories campaigning for No Deal after the EU cancelled negotiations for that weekend.

The EU grovelled for a deal immediately after that. It was the one event so far that proved the EU are absolutely terrified of No Deal.

They sell us massively more than us do them. It is obvious really.

Their collaborators Grieve and co. have worked tirelessly on the EU’s behalf, with their lawyers help, to introduce into law a ruling that forbids No Deal ffs. Have you been paying attention?

No Deal then get a deal is so obviously our best result it is only those that dont want to leave that cant see it.

FFS - delusional.  Face up to the facts.  We are being laughed at around the world.

Who asked to change the deal ?  Johnson and Co.

Who asked for an extension after swearing he would never do so?  Johnson and Co,

Who accepted the previously "unacceptable deal" with a border WITHIN the UK?   Johnson and Co.

So who do you think is grovelling!!!

What a fkwit, no point debating with a plankton ignoring the obvious.

Tut, tut - bit tetchy. I wonder why, let me see......

- Don't like the facts and the way we are perceived as a complete basket-case of a country on the world stage?

- Your Brexit Party is f*ckd because the Tories stole your clothes and now selling short on Brexit?

Interesting from Tebbit on Thatcher -

She would have managed it very differently.

“Throughout her time as Prime Minister, she tried to make it work.

“She did everything she could to steer it away from a bureaucrat business to concentrating on industry and trade and all the rest of it.”

He continued: “But, at the end, she had realised that the European Union wouldn’t work.

“And the famous day in Parliament, she said ‘no, no, no’ was not just a silly woman shouting ‘no, no, no’.

“It was no to three, separate, specific propositions.

“One was that Europe should be governed by a government formed by-election.”

Lord Tebbit added: “That the government would be the Council of Ministers, the European Parliament would be the democratic organ and the Commission would be the executive.

“And then she said to those three ‘no, no, no’. That was her view.

“That was where the break came, and that was when Heseltine, who was just on the make for himself, and the pro-Europeans decided she would have to be brought down.”

There is only one answer , the Labour Party and the libdems must be destroyed forever
And even then they will not have paid , and those who vote for them , for their crimes

The north are moving towards the Brexit Party. Honest people who can see when they are being ignored and will not bow down.

Absolute bollacks

Ricard fookin tyce a massive spiv fan ffs , they must have poisoned the water in Hartlepool ffs

Them monkeys want hanging

70% of Tory voters and 81% of Brexit Party voters want a pact between the 2 parties.

What is the problem Boris, the Tories dont really want to Leave Leave do they. I think that is clear now.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/07/most-conservative-and-brexit-party-voters-support-

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/08/regional-vo...

Nov 8, 2019 -- 4:17PM, eric_morris wrote:

70% of Tory voters and 81% of Brexit Party voters want a pact between the 2 parties.What is the problem Boris, the Tories dont really want to Leave Leave do they. I think that is clear now.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/07/most-conservative-and-brexit-party-voters-support-

I think they are playing the long game and seeing how the next few weeks plays out.
If it's what I'm thinking then it could be a masterplan!!

Farage appears to be softening his stance on the Tories having to drop the deal as long as it doesn't tie the UK into an endless extension and is only a trade deal.

Whatever happens even No Deal, there will be a type of deal afterwards so we can trade and co-operate.

Ok so there have apparently been talks between the Brexit Party and the Tories re election candidates standing down in return for the Tories guaranteeing the transition period will not be extended beyond 2020. I believe other changes to Boris deal are also sought. This is a great start.

Hope so Eric,else theres going to be a hell of a lot confusion on the 12th.

You refused to answer this on another forum, so I’ll ask again

come on Eric give me one example of how being in the EU impacts your life
so negatively on a daily basis?

I’ll wait.

I will try and find my earlier post to paste.

Looks like i might have myself a stalker.

I found my top 6 advantages of leaving the EU.

I will post them after you post up here your 6 top advantages for remaining in the EU. Over to you.

Access to the Single Market. European member states are our biggest trading partners, both imports and exports

Workers rights are enshrined in EU law, meaning there is greater job security.

Freedom of movement, meaning people have the right to work, live and retire in 28 countries.

We're a pretty smally country, but by being in this union we have a great deal of influence on the international stage.

EU funding has benefited many places in the North, Midlands, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland - areas that the Conservative government has attempted to ignore.

The Erasmus scheme allows students to study in different countries at a reduced rate, some are even free.

I asked you “how being in the EU impacts your life
so negatively on a daily basis?"   The only one  of the examples I gave that has impacted me directly is the bottom one. My daughter was planning to do a Masters degree in Amsterdam this year but she was informed in January that there was no guarantee that Erasmus funding would be available. Due to that uncertainty, we could not take the financial risk so she decided against it.

1. Direct democracy electing and removing our own politicians
(obviously gives them our ultimate representation rather than unelected European Commissioners)

2. More job opportunities for the young with increased wages and improved workers conditions due to competition for labour

3. Establish our own trade deals with the world

4. Net contributions of £8.5 billion redirected to public services

5. Increased security controlling our own borders

6. Making our own laws with the European Court no longer dominating our lives

On your comment below  ... you will see a very relevant comment from me on a Brexit rally i attended on the day Farage said their candidates in Tory seats would stand down. The problem is definitely not with Brexit Party or leave supporters who have no intention of affecting student exchanges etc.

I asked you “how being in the EU impacts your life
so negatively on a daily basis?"   The only one  of the examples I gave that has impacted me directly is the bottom one. My daughter was planning to do a Masters degree in Amsterdam this year but she was informed in January that there was no guarantee that Erasmus funding would be available. Due to that uncertainty, we could not take the financial risk so she decided against it.

Read the first post here.

https://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/31595953/brexit-party-event-today

I was one of those clapping the loudest.

4.Net contributions       was not 8.5 billion pounds ,the last figure released by the European Union was 13 billion ,hence the common figure quoted 1 billion per month ,with gross contribution of 18.5 billion which the EU kindly give us back 5.5 billion ,these will of course go up rapidly as the protectionist regime seeks political union so the 25 net receivers can demand more of the current 3 contributors.
The more successful your economy ,the more you subsidy the bureaucracy and the deeply flawed economies that exist in the EU.

subsidise   sorry

I will check the latest figures but if you are right then Boris bus should have had £250 million a week on the side.

wasn't there a 1.3 billion paid extra under camaroooon  and another billion plus recently to add to these figures

In any case my son is going to postgrad stage and will be getting a loan and help from me for it like most kids. Get your wallet out you tight *rse.


I asked you “how being in the EU impacts your life
so negatively on a daily basis?"   The only one  of the examples I gave that has impacted me directly is the bottom one. My daughter was planning to do a Masters degree in Amsterdam this year but she was informed in January that there was no guarantee that Erasmus funding would be available. Due to that uncertainty, we could not take the financial risk so she decided against it.

Hello Eric, nice to see you.

Glad you’re happy to help your child in his academic studies, we are in the same boat on that one.

However, you’ve not answered how being in the EU impacts on your life so negatively on a daily basis

I have told you the advantages where we are currently at a disadvantage. These all affect my life and more importantly my families lives in the future. I am not going to regurgitate stuff on here i have already discussed at length.

Do you live in Scotland? Have you already had free uni fees for your young un(s)?